On segregated high school proms

In the Sunday’s New York Times Magazine is piece on the segregated high school proms in Montgomery County, down in southeast Georgia.

It ends with this painful paragraph:

In the meantime, a girl named Angel checked her cellphone to see if any of the white kids had texted from inside their prom. They hadn’t. Angel shrugged. “I really don’t understand,” she said. “Because I’m thinking that these people love me and I love them, but I don’t know. Tonight’s a different story.”

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Nate Nepenthe

May 23rd, 2009
10:40 pm

Alright, I’m certain this is going to turn out to be a contemporary politically correct hot potatoe for anyone to speak or comment upon contrary to popular opinion, but I say kudos to the kids for having the guts to stand up to everything their current cultural influences impress upon them through the media to take some pride in themselves and their european ancestry. What is it with todays society that it impossible to have white pride without being a racist, and yet, it’s cool to have black pride, an N.A.A.C.P. , A United Negro College Fund, A Black Entertainment Network, and Ebony Magazine. Reverse the scenereo one iota and watch how quickly a crowd of people start screaming white hoods and racism. It’s gotten so Afro Centric Crazy in our culture that I’m beginning to have difficulty identifying my own cultural ethnenticity when I watch the stream of mass media presenting the norms of our current cultural identity in america. I say why is it for gods sake people can’t just fraternize, socialize, and identify themselves with their own kind of people if they want to and leave it well enough alone.

Coastal Cavalier

May 23rd, 2009
10:50 pm

It’s not quite the same thing but we were planning a high school reunion and sent invitations and everyone of the black grads said they would not be coming as they were planning their own and wanted no part of a reunion that included everyone. Go figure…

Keith

May 23rd, 2009
11:27 pm

Look at TV commercials… the white person is always the klutz or dummy and the black person is the cool one or the smart one or the boss. Racism and bigotry are wrong, but there’s nothing wrong with whites associating with whites and blacks associating with blacks as long as it’s voluntary.

Robert

May 23rd, 2009
11:39 pm

It’s all quite embarrassing to the country and the world. What’s even more embarrassing are some comments here. After more than years of oppression, African-Americans need “Black Pride.” Like it or not, but when you say you would like White Pride, you’re connecting yourself with racist groups like the KKK.

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 23rd, 2009
11:44 pm

“E Pluribus Unum” – America’s unique Creed requires that “all nations of the world flow into One New Nation ruled only by Truth and Justice. We must, as true Americans, learn to fully see G-d in each others’ faces regardless of appearance or pigmentation. This is Our Covenant. This is G-d’s prophecy.

Those who follow racist ideology are not of Us, the American People. As we obey “Annuit Coeptis,” we shall be prospered by G-d.

The Roman Anti-Christ rules by “Divide and Conquer.” Mutuality, neighborliness, cooperation and respect are all required for The Beloved Community in this Promised Land.

Faction and forces of division must be addressed, neutralized, or extirpated that The People be One with “the King of America” which “reigneth above.”

Trash, scum crackers, alone, object.

One America, One People, One Nation, One G-d. Forces of division and hatred be damned and accursed.

May G-d Bless America again.

Death for Treason

herbK

May 24th, 2009
6:12 am

what’s the big deal. We are all prejudice and racists abound, in all colors. Who cares? Not I. If you wish for a truly colorblind world, the KKK, N.A.A.C.P. United Negro College Fund, among other organizations will have to be eliminated.

Becky

May 24th, 2009
7:21 am

My comments are about the audio slide show that accompanies the print piece.

It is so typical that the excluding group usually says something like, “Yeah it’s totally OK. It doesn’t bother anybody, we all want it this way. It’s ALWAYS been this way” And then the group that is excluded says something entirely different–how disrespectful and unfair it is. I guess it’s much easier to be in denial when you’re the dominant group.

I’d also like to note that these kids are graduating from high school but at least one of them uses substandard grammar. One of the girls says, “It don’t seem like a big deal….” How wrong she is.

Native Californian

May 24th, 2009
8:26 am

To Nate Nepenthe: Hey redneck: It’s not “potatoe.” It’s “potato.”

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 24th, 2009
8:28 am

I am too ignorant to know that the Roman Catholic Church teaches that racism is a sin. I am also too ignorant to know that it is in opposition to the Iraq War. Where is my Haldol.

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 24th, 2009
9:17 am

Accursed Name-thief, the Roman Catholic Church, and two popes, is “morally, ethically, and legally culpable of the Holocaust,” and was identified by America’s Founder as “the real Anti-Christ” nearly a hundred and fifty years before. That’s called prophecy and Thomas Jefferson was a Prophet of G-d. Don’t believe in G-d? Well just keep letting your kids be buggered by the pedophiles and soon enough America won’t be troubled by your fascist treason anymore.

The REAL GodHatesTrash, Superstar

May 24th, 2009
9:52 am

Montgomery County is one sad, ugly place. Like most of the rural South. Hopefully, most of those kids, white and black, will get the hell out of there.

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 24th, 2009
10:56 am

Where’s Bruce?

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 24th, 2009
10:57 am

Thomas Jefferson was a child rapist who smeared former friends, even after their deaths, just for daring to question him.

Lee

May 24th, 2009
11:02 am

What the Hell does a New York newspaper care about a small town in rural Georgia? More liberal, politically crap IMHO.

Lee

May 24th, 2009
11:03 am

… politically correct crap…

Rick in Athens

May 24th, 2009
11:55 am

After reading the story, I was struck by the lame excuse for the seperate proms – “it’s tradition.” But parapharsing a line from the movie “Australia” – just because it is doesn’t mean that’s the way it is supposed to be.

Tradition isn't always a good thing

May 24th, 2009
12:50 pm

If you can justify this you have serious morality problems. It’s funny how white rural conservatives think they are deserving of the moral high horses of which they so arrogantly ride, but they think segregated proms, Confederate nostalgia, and torture are compatible with the biblical principles they claim to hold so dear. It’s really sad. Some other people bring up things like the NAACP, United Negro College Fund to justify allowing white pride events, but those are apples and oranges. The NAACO and many black entities existed when lynching and segregation were still supported by the majority of whites across the south. Obviously, this article proves many of the racial attitudes they were fighting still haven’t gone the way of the dixiecrats.

CMT, Nascar, and the Southern Baptist church cater to and are almost exclusively white. Those entities don’t put white in front of their titles, but they might as well. CMT is really the White Entertainment Network. As a white male who grew up in the south I don’t throw everyone in rural Georgia under the bus, but some of this widespread intolerence and obsession with race has to stop in order to improve the quality of life for all people in Montgomery County and places like it. White people in these areas, and for that matter Neil Boortz, often complain about blacks being obsessed with race and they often complain about the Eric Michael Dyson’s and Al Sharpton’s of the world. The fact is you’re worse. They may have a pro-black point of view, but they fight for things like equity in the criminal justice system, aid for college, and expanding health care that would benefit poor people of all races. The stuff Boortz and the Confederate Flag wavers fight over when it comes to racial identity doesn’t benefit anyone, and makes Georgia and white southerners look ignorant in the eyes of the world.

I am glad the New York Times exposed this ignorant display in Montgomery County Georgia. It’s a throwback to an era of waterhoses and bigotry and the people of Montgomery County, Taylor County, Johnson County need to take a look in the mirror and decide if their comfortable with REAL image that is being portrayed of their communities. In closing, the people on this board who defended this crap obviously have some real personal problems they need to deal with.

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 24th, 2009
12:51 pm

Name-thief: the book proving your vaunted papist, Anti-Christ church committed the Holocaust is “A Moral Reckoning,” by Goldhagen.

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 24th, 2009
1:02 pm

I like pain.

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 24th, 2009
3:50 pm

That you inflict on others. Jefferson was correct: Rome is the Anti-Christ.

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 24th, 2009
4:11 pm

Jefferson is correct. It is better not to marry when one can sexually exploit and breed servants with slave girls unable to say no. It is okay to smear dead friends. After all, they’re dead. What do they care?

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 24th, 2009
5:57 pm

Ad hominem against America’s Founder. How imaginative, papist.

Montana

May 25th, 2009
10:39 am

Wow, how embarrassing. When are we in the South going to create a better culture, a better image? When will we make something so good that “the South” no longer means GWTW, segregation and hatred? It’s time for something better, y’all.

Let’s attract the Yankee reporters to a story that makes ‘em jealous, not haughty. Those white parents in Montgomery County are strictly an embarrassment and it’s doubly shameful that the NYT — not the AJC — is calling them out.

We need to improve ourselves first by not comparing KKK and NAACP. When’s the last time NAACP lynched someone, huh?

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 25th, 2009
11:33 am

The NYT is a mob paper in a sh-t hole town that helped Bush send us to war with the Miller woman after letting him get away with 9/11 right on the tip of Manhattan getting rid of the Rockefellers’ asbestos abatement problem at the WTC.

They have to dig up stories like that from “nowhere, Hicksville backwoods” because they’re hemorrhaging population coming here – have you taken a sampling of the car tags on Peachtree Road lately? – where it is so obviously better a place to live, and work, and raise a family and be true Americans under G-d.

Sure it’s bad there’s a crust of crud parents who deny their own children what it takes to fulfill G-d’s prophecy of the Promised Land – E Pluribus Unum – which is all Americans’ birthright. They’ll just keep having to come up to Atlanta to visit their own grandchildren if they lucked out and got a kid with any brains or soul.

It’s not that bad a drive.

Nate Nepenthe

May 25th, 2009
11:42 am

To Native Californian – The last time I lived in Santa Cruz California I don’t recall associating with the
Red Neck Crowd, The K.K.K., or the contemporary in crowd of bigots for that
matter. Nor was the bigotry, predjudice, and bias I observed there one so
much based out of color, or race, but rather “Economic Social Caste & Class
Status”.

Nate Nepenthe

May 25th, 2009
11:59 am

To Montana – When was the last time those white kids in Montgomery County lynched someone?
And yet, they are being lynched by the media for simply exercising their first
amendment rights to freedom of assembly. Also, I dont recall reading anywhere in
the article where the platform of the assembly itself was racially motivated. There
were no confederate flags, cross burnings, effigys, or anything other than a simple
gathering of “white kids” at a prom which is apparently enough to spark a social
taboo for the media to jump upon and exploit as a racist incident. Which is exactly
why I stand firm on my original sentiments of congradulating the kids for doing the
very thing that has sparked such a controversy. Have you ever heard of the Million
Man March. Was that a racist gathering, or merely an expression of first amendment
rights to assemble and express their sentiments as a people?

Will Jones is An Idiot

May 25th, 2009
12:15 pm

What happens to all those studies that show all black schools which are also seperated
by gender perform best?
And I wonder why they perform better when the boys are all grouped together?
Food for thought!

Nate Nepenthe

May 25th, 2009
12:22 pm

To Tradition isn’t always a good thing – If you jusitify this you may not have a serious morality
issue, but rather have a serious issue with watching
your culture become systematicly degraded by mass
media and cultural norms for merely taking any substance
of pride in your ancestrial origins. Maybe your simply growing
ever more conscious of mass media portraying white males
as inferior dufuses who “can’t jump”. Need an “Enzite Pill” in
order to become a “Better Lover”. Maybe your simply not
falling into the main stream complacency and guilt trip for
slavery because your of Irish Ancestry, and as such, are
well aware of the effects of being a conquered nation of people
sold into “indentured servitude”. Maybe. Just maybe. It’s
simply a matter of being well aware of who you are, where
your ancestry came from, exhibiting some sense of dignity
and pride in that knowledge, and not falling into the main
stream Guilt Trip of Complacency. Your comparency of the
prom to a “throwback to an era of waterhoses and bigotry”
is completely unfounded. And yet, typical of the Okey doke
that fosters such main stream guilt trips of complacency.

By the way, I grew up in Detroit, Michigan, and so I’m not
one to fall for the okey doke. Like they say on the streets,
Game recognizes game. And the Okey doke is a real weak
game!

hall monitor

May 25th, 2009
5:13 pm

Segregated proms is featured as a hot issue right now on http://detentionslip.org ! Check it out for all the crazy headlines from our schools.

Georgia 1st

May 25th, 2009
9:54 pm

Montogmery county High is not typical anymore, but they still exist. I went to a segreaged prom in high school, however kids from other races chose to attend to stand up against this. There are still other segregated things like churches and cemetaries in rural Georgia. ;-)

herbK

May 25th, 2009
10:48 pm

Just Dayum!!! Will Jones = white punk on dope! Segregation BAD, homosexual catholic priests who pray on children BAD, Sly & the Family Stone=GOOD!

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 26th, 2009
6:02 am

Bush and Cheney committing 9/11 BAD, Bush’s father and the Roman Catholic CIA killing Kennedy to send us to Vietnam and to put Vatican’s bankers back in charge of our money supply BAD, Bush’s grandfather financing the rise of Hitler BAD, Roman Catholics assassinating Lincoln BAD, Roman Catholics assassinating Meriwether Lewis BAD, Roman Church promoting illegal immigration to take over America BAD, Rockefeller building Standard Oil on unredressed murder and arson and helping Bush, Cheney, RCchurch, et al, get away with it all, BAD.

American People making Obama elect GOOD (Every true American watch Obama – with Heart of TRUE AMERICAN – at Arlington yesterday so we can anneal as One People, by G-d’s fullness of creation in this New Israel, and rid Our Land of Anti-Christ).

Extirpating Rome’s “Fifth Column,” “the real Anti-Christ,” and casting the Beast into the Pit GOOD!

Let’s get busy and make America Righteous GOOD!

Death for Treason GOOD!
http://theamericanfundament.blogspot.com GOOD!

Max Cleland for Governor of this Greatest State of Georgia GOOD.

CMT

May 26th, 2009
7:25 am

Hey, what about Darius Rucker and Cowboy Troy? Looks like that private school education let you down again. Don’t you wish you had just saved your money?

Will Jones - Atlanta

May 26th, 2009
9:09 am

Obama at Arlington: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2fQN7iEa5Y
Let’s get Bush’s and Cheney’s “necktie party” started.

Jim Callihan

May 26th, 2009
10:58 am

Something is just very wrong or amiss about the entire article. I realize the NYT/AJC Blog attempt to lampoon the south as a bunch of bigots, as has been the case all of my known days, but the hypocrisy just wreaks. The insinuation is “cultural cliques – based on race” do not exist elsewhere and that is just not true. The FACTS are pretty telling for anyone who has ever lived (or visited for any extended time) in a major NE city (or just about ANY city, for that matter).

Having grown up in and around military folk, racism played very little role in my childhood friend choices. Blacks, Pacific “South Islanders”, Asians…whatever – all in my home throughout my childhood. BUT! The further you traveled from base or off-base military neighborhoods, the more clear segregation became. I can count on one hand, the number of “white kids” who boxed at the Ybor gym on 7th Ave in Tampa – the vast majority were either blacks or cubans. When we left the gym, I hung with the “cubanos” – who tended to be more “loyal” when challenged by other adjacent neighborhood “groups”. I did not quite understand how blacks & cubans could be so close at the gym, but not speak to each other when they left the place. Guess what? Right or wrong (and it is wrong – IMO) that’s the “real world” – THE WHOLE WORLD.

Racism is as deep (worse, really) in the big NE cities as it is in “Montgomery County, GA” – deal with it; but don’t take sides in addressing it – RACIST!

Even among my dad’s mil-pals, he told me stories about how the blacks would congregate together – away from the TOC tent, campfires, etc, NOT out of being “shunned”, but voluntarily. My eldest, who spent 18 months in Iraq told me the same thing – it still goes on today. Guess what? “Freedom to assemble” is still a constitutional right. Freedom to “self-descriminate” is the same thing. America – you can’t have it both ways.

If “you” are going to “voluntarily” remove yourself from “mixed” company and form “melonin-based meetings”, you cannot cry “racist” when wanting to force your presence into other groups who do the same. Is this what’s going on in Montgomery? I don’t know. What I do know is the same old insinuations are being lobbed at one group (southern whites), while ignoring the other(s). Get into the real world…deal with it, but be fair (no pun intended).

Tradition isn't always a good thing

May 26th, 2009
1:18 pm

CNN said to me

“Looks like that private school education let you down again. Don’t you wish you had just saved your money?”

I never attended private school K-Masters Degree. In fact, I grew up below average and attended a small town high school. BTW, you completely missed the point with your CMT comment. You’re probably one of the millions contributing to the dumbing down of the Republican Party.

mocogirl

May 26th, 2009
5:02 pm

Not only is their a “white” prom their is a “black” prom as well.
Both are separate!!
I attended Montgomery County High School and graduated there.
My junior year, when we were in charge of planning the prom, we did consider having the proms together. The issue and reason behind us not combining the prom was because we had a late start in raising money for prom. The black girls that were in charge of planning their prom, didn’t think it was fair to combine the prom when we hardly had any money. Which is true and very understandable. I think in our case, it had nothing to do with race. Our class was extremely close and I believe everyone would of liked to share prom together. Graduation sets a perfect example! Our last week of high, we had pool party’s and went to the beach together (both black and white). We are all still close/good friends. I think it’s to big of a responsibility for kids to combine the prom and that higher authority should make that decision for everyone.