The myth of the 15,000

The crowd outside the state Capitol at the Atlanta tea party. Kimberly Smith/ksmith@ajc.com

The crowd outside the state Capitol at the Atlanta tea party. Kimberly Smith/ksmith@ajc.com

Since April 15, when Sean Hannity and the tea party gathered at the state Capitol, a myth has been forming.

Hannity and FoxNews assured us there were 15,000 to 20,000 anti-tax protestors within view of their lenses that night.

The Journal-Constitution said “thousands” and let it go at that. But other news organizations picked up the estimate of 15,000, perhaps thinking they were erring on the conservative side. Google shows 12,500 hits for the word combination of “15,000” plus “Atlanta” plus “tea party.”

The number has acquired accuracy simply through repetition, which makes it something to be addressed.

Since the ‘60s, when demonstrations erupted in full flower, news organizations have been loathe to get bogged down in crowd counts.

Whether members of the left, right or angry center, those in the crowd always insist their numbers feel greater. And they probably do.

But mathematics don’t bend to feelings.

Today is Confederate Memorial Day. State offices are closed, and the weather lovely. It was a good day to pace off the area without sidewalk traffic.

The Capitol is not a hospitable arena for large crowds. It is hemmed in on all sides. Organizers of the Atlanta tea party had given some thought to assembling in Centennial Park, across from CNN, but the deposit was too expensive.

Instead, thousands of people were crammed onto Washington Street, which fronts the Capitol. But these demonstrators had to compete with FoxNews’ remote broadcasting operation, which took up all of one sidewalk and much of the street.

Large TV screens were erected at the Washington intersections with Mitchell and MLK streets, with the hope that crowds would flow down those streets as well. That worked only at Mitchell Street, perhaps because crowds coming from the GSU station of MARTA were directed around the back of the state Capitol, around the old state Department of Transportation building, to Atlanta City Hall. Line of sight was also slightly better.

So there were two population blocs that Wednesday evening — first, Washington Street from Mitchell to MLK. Call it Zone 1. Then Washington down Mitchell to Atlanta City Hall. Call that Zone 2.

Zone 1 contains 32,188 square feet — 515 feet by 62.5 feet. Zone 2 is 11,340 square feet, or 189 by 60 feet. A human being occupies four square feet. Women, because they have larger hips on average, occupy more space. But let’s avoid offending anyone and assume a completely male crowd.

Combined, Zones 1 and 2 total 43,528 square feet. If tax protesters were packed shoulder-to-shoulder, sidewalk-to-sidewalk, filling both Zone 1 and Zone 2 to the brim, there would have been room for 10,882.

But they didn’t. TV trucks and staging took up at least one-third of the space on Washington Street and its sidewalks. Compensating for this, the maximum total space for human beings in Zones 1 and 2 becomes 32,799 square feet. Shoulder-to-shoulder, back-to-chest, that is room for 8,199 people.

While people were indeed shoulder-to-shoulder on Washington Street, or Zone 1, they weren’t in Zone 2, down Mitchell. So a conservative crowd estimate for the Atlanta tea party on April 15 is probably somewhere between 6,500 and 7,500.

It is no small feat to bring that many people to an out-of-the-way spot in downtown Atlanta on a cold, windy workday. It is a deed worthy of much respect. People should pay attention to it.

But 15,000 protestors were not outside the Capitol at Atlanta’s tea party that night — a fact that needs to be set right.

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67 comments Add your comment

WelfarefortheRich

April 27th, 2009
2:42 pm

Not surprising more Fox Noise; Faux News; and lies and propaganda from the right extremist nuts of the Insanity, Pigbaugh, Hen Beck, and the likes.

Copyleft

April 27th, 2009
2:52 pm

A turnout of 7500 is a respectable showing for any cause or protest–why bother inflating it with easily-disproven lies?

ornery

April 27th, 2009
2:58 pm

Perhaps there wasn’t but it does stand to reason that every nook and cranny deserving of a city charter, had a protest of some kind. So 15,000 may be off the mark THERE, but I can guarantee you I believe there were over 15,000 total protesters in the state. I would go so far to say 50,000 protested STATEWIDE. A feat worthy of mentioning.

Sickofthe Tyranny

April 27th, 2009
3:02 pm

You know what is funny about this? Well, whenever the libs protest no one ever looks at the claims of their numbers. In fact, all you need is three code pink hags raising hell and the Lib net works and newspaper cover the story as if one million people were there. I know that the left is frightened by the tea parties, and whatever the number this movement will stick around and grow. There are more rallies planned for the fourth of July! Libs will snipe, downplay, and otherwise belittle those who participate. Guess what? Report what you want. Write what you want. We do not care. And apparently the number that does is shrinking rapidly. Please see the circulation numbers for the national newspaper, below.
Published: April 27, 2009 8:20 AM ET

NEW YORK Here are the top 25 daily newspapers ranked by circulation for the six months ending March 2009, according to ABC. The percent change compares daily circulation for the same period ending in March 2008. Please note daily averages are Monday-through-Friday.

Please note that the time period reflected for The Denver Post has no comparable prior period; when the Rocky Mountain News folded on Feb. 28, subscribers were sent copies of the Denver Post.

See our separate main story on overall circ results, here.

USA TODAY — 2,113,725 – (-7.46%)
THE WALL STREET JOURNAL — 2,082,189 — 0.61%
THE NEW YORK TIMES — 1,039,031 — (-3.55%)
LOS ANGELES TIMES — 723,181 — (-6.55%)
THE WASHINGTON POST — 665,383 — (-1.16%)

DAILY NEWS (NEW YORK) — 602,857 — (-14.26%)
NEW YORK POST — 558,140 — (-20.55%)
CHICAGO TRIBUNE — 501,202 — (-7.47%)
HOUSTON CHRONICLE — 425,138 — (-13.96%)
THE ARIZONA REPUBLIC — 389,701 — (-5.72%)

THE DENVER POST (02/28/2009 to 03/31/2009) — 371,728 — N/A
NEWSDAY — 368,194 — (-3.01%)
THE DALLAS MORNING NEWS — 331,907 — (-9.88%)
STAR-TRIBUNE, MINNEAPOLIS — 320,076 — (-0.71%)
CHICAGO SUN-TIMES — 312,141 — (-0.04%)

SAN FRANCISCO CHRONICLE — 312,118 — (-15.72%)
THE BOSTON GLOBE — 302,638 — (-13.68%)
THE PLAIN DEALER, CLEVELAND — 291,630 — (-11.70%)
DETROIT FREE PRESS — 290,730 — (-5.90%)
THE PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER — 288,298 — (-13.72%)

THE STAR-LEDGER, NEWARK, N.J. — 287,082 — (-16.82%)
ST. PETERSBURG (FLA.) TIMES — 283,093 — (-10.42%)
THE OREGONIAN, PORTLAND — 268,512 — (-11.76%)
THE ATLANTA JOURNAL CONSTITUTION — 261,828 — (-19.91%)
SAN DIEGO UNION-TRIBUNE — 261,253 — (-9.53%)

Please not the Wall Street Journal is the only paper that increased circulation. You know that must drive the media libs nutso!!

Oh the irony

April 27th, 2009
3:10 pm

What I find amusing is that (as reaffirmed in this article) Tea Party organizers were encouraging protesters to ride MARTA to the event.

Because nothing says “SCREW TAXES” like riding publicly-funded transit.

Debbie

April 27th, 2009
3:47 pm

The Capitol Police routinely cover protests and meetings at the Capitol and they put the figure at over 15,000. I personally spoke to several members of the Capitol Police that gave me this total. Several news outlets also confirmed their numbers with the Capitol Police.
People were also packed in like sardines and were still coming from the MARTA train stations at 9:00pm.

La tyrannie des les Républicaines me rend malade. Je veux la liberté, la fraternité et l'égalité pour les Etats-Unis

April 27th, 2009
4:07 pm

Did anyone honestly think Faux News was telling the truth about anything for even a moment?

Road Scholar

April 27th, 2009
4:23 pm

Didn’t have WMD. Didn’t torture. We’d be welcomed as liberators. Can’t estimate crowds. Any wonder?

Jobu

April 27th, 2009
4:33 pm

In March, 2006, 500,000 people rallied against anti-immigration legislation in Los Angeles — one city!

My friend and I were on our way to the Braves game (maybe three times the tea bagger crowd on a midweek game against the Fish). We saw a large number of tea baggers at the Johnny Rockets in Underground. Old, tired, fat suburbanites. Sad.

These people are getting a tax cut under Obama. The deficit is not huge relative to the GDP. Government has injected itself into the private sector many times — remember the S&L scandal?

They were downtown because of race.

RomeGaGuy

April 27th, 2009
4:53 pm

Quick someone ask Neil Cavuto how many people they reported were at the million man march

HB

April 27th, 2009
5:21 pm

No one ever realy knows how many people are at these events. National Park Police have stopped releasing public estimates for National Mall events because they always seem to become controversial. Frankly, it’s extremely difficult to count a fluid crowd, but this sort of estimate, based on space per person in a fairly small area where one can reasonably determine a maximum capacity, is as good as you’ll get. So no matter how you look at it, at most, half as many people showed up as have been reported. Thanks for clearing that up, Jim.

retiredds

April 27th, 2009
7:40 pm

Thank you, thank you, Jim Galloway. I haven’t been able to sleep at night worrying about how many there were at the Atlanta tea extravaganza. Now that I know I am so relieved. Again, thank you.

TeaPartier

April 27th, 2009
10:18 pm

If a human being occupies an area of four square feet, then I’ll be damned. As tight as the crowd was packed in on those narrow downtown streets, i’d be surprised if it wasn’t more like 3 square ft. maximum. In any case, there were way more than 6,500 but probably less than the 15,000 strong that Hannity reported.

Piso Mojado

April 27th, 2009
10:20 pm

Where were all of the protesters during the past 8 years when the Bush administration was laying the groundwork for this world-wide financial catastrophe, necessitating the current fiscal bailouts? Isn’t it mind-boggling to think the the good ol’ USofA caused this global meltdown?

6000, 8000, 15,000? It doesn’t matter. Just a bunch of sheep following a their “leaders”. What’s truly amazing is that there hasn’t been one idea on how to fix this problem from anyone either at the party, or in the party.

Opus X

April 27th, 2009
10:21 pm

The calculations seem to have a flaw as they only project the crowd at any given point in time. People come, people go. Based on the reactions of people politically opposed to the tea parties, there were obviously enough people there to make them print stories like this.

Yeah Sure

April 27th, 2009
10:38 pm

” Do you hear the people sing?
Singing the song of angry men?
It is the music of a people who will not be slaves again.
When the beating of your heart echoes the beating of the drums,
there is a life about to start when tomorrow comes.
Will you join in our crusade? Who will be strong and stand with me?
Beyond the barricade, is there a world you long to see?
Then join in the fight that will give you the right to be free.”

Dylan

April 27th, 2009
10:57 pm

Less then 100 people protested in front of CNN when Israel and invaded Gaza and it was covered as a protest so 6500 people is a big number and should be considered a big turnout. The media is always looking to bash and decredit any fair tax / anti tax rally.

Derek

April 27th, 2009
11:21 pm

Figures can be made to say anything you want, just like when the DC Metro Police , said there was around 50 – 100,000 for the million man march and then was silenced. The fact is MR GALLOWAY, you don’t know how many there were and there were many others on other streets in the area. Also get your facts straight, they were turned down in their attempt to use centennial park, not because they didn’t have the deposit money! See MR GALLOWAY, that is why the AJC is dying, the number of people at the rally was impressive, much larger than any other recent protest, that you give extended coverage to (ie; the 20 person march for the abandoned graves!). Be careful not to be forced out like Cynthia Tucker or diminished like others in your paper, report more, opion less….

oldandntheway

April 27th, 2009
11:27 pm

One wonders if Mr. Galloway might write an article on the myth of tax cuts for 95% of the population, while the deficit is quadrupled and nothing is done about social security and medicare. Should we just continue to borrow and spend as advised by our President. I’m just wondering who will we borrow from if noone produces and saves.

Jonathan

April 27th, 2009
11:36 pm

Please lay out four square feet on the ground(2 feet X 2 Feet — or use 4 1foot VCT tiles as a gauge) then stand and you shall find the shoulder to shoulder, chest to back, one could fessible put two people in the space of four square feet. To be conservative, say 1 1/2 people can fit into 4 square feet. Do some math and then you have about 16,323….Another gauge for attendance could be that a majority rode MARTA, might MARTA show an increase from their usual ridership?
….The fact, however, remains that thousands did show up to protest and stand up for what they beleive, and this should not be discounted but rather embraced as an example of the freedom we all share and have a right to in this country!

Steve

April 27th, 2009
11:47 pm

Just another real slooow news day for the creative among us to look for trivial matters. Not to be too persnickety, but would anyone really buy a paper for this drivel… except the author and a few cronies? And they wonder why circulation is dropping like a 1980’s Falcon wide reciever…

Thogwummpy

April 28th, 2009
12:06 am

First of all, every one of the “million man” turn-outs Lefties tout, weren’t even close. So, take your tit-for-tat on that count. Second, conservatives are individualists (liberals are hive-mind collectivists…believing that a person is PROPERTY of the state/village, and can therefore be fleeced as a resource by the lazy parasite class of humanity). Like “herding cats”, individualists are far less likely to congregate into complaint groups (liberals ie/activists: are perpetual whiners that parlay their constant resentments into coalitions; it’s a natural political advantage such gangsters have). AND, to top it off…a lot of conservatives read history and understand that although principals of the Right foster limitations and restraint upon government power, the Left in all it’s manifestations (INCLUDING FACISM…yeah, that’s correct; the very fact that liberals absurdly call their rivals “facists”, reveals the buffoon dishonesty one MUST hold to be a Leftist…for facism requires the very things liberals adore and conservatives shun) pathologically advocates for oppressive authoritarian government—-and with Washington abandoning themes of liberty in order to voraciously grab control over us; we’re increasingly wary of putting our names on lists…because we’ve seen the disgusting butchery and “sippenhaff” barbarities Left regimes have wreaked during the past hundred years. Yes, we are on the cusp of the Green Reich; and though conservatives don’t clump ourselves into groups—don’t delude yourself into thinking we won’t fight our neighbors who seeks to take our liberty. Freedom is NOT a Left wing virtue; for the Left is anti-capitalist, and [you might want to confirm the definition] you can’t have freedom WITHOUT the very capitalism the Left wants destroyed. Judging our numbers based upon street turnout, is delusional; and might I suggest….DANGEROUS. Keep spoiling for your counter-culture unrest, Libbies…at your peril.

Jim Callihan

April 28th, 2009
12:20 am

I learned this in business school many years back: “Figures don’t lie…liars figure.” The point? Accountants are guilty of taking the same company records to two very different “audiences” (let’s say one is an IRS auditor, the “other” is a prospective investor) – same company…AND PRODUCING TWO VERY DIFFERENT “pictures”.

On another personal note – I have been involved with football on various levels (youth “flag” to “5A High School”) since 1974. As such, I have been in countless facilities where “gate numbers” are counted and crowds reported. I can look at, let’s say the “end zone seating” of nearly every SEC college football team and guess (fairly accurately) how many folks are there. Granted, having spent many years in a press box, with a bird’s-eye view – BEFORE THE “attendance” would be announced (usually at halftime) has an advantage. I was “there” and walked around for hours just talking to folks – trying my best to ignore Hannity (whom hi-jacked an event that was planned long before Fox decided to “hi-jack” – I have little use for Hannity or most any “slant-head”, as I call the “partisans”); I have no doubt there were at least 10k there. 15k “at any one time” is a stretch…but to focus on the “at any one time” is to ignore the several thousands that came throughout the day for an hour or two and left – as I did.

But the bigger picture is being deliberately blurred – “X” number of people are fed up with Federal Government & wasteful spending – which ALWAYS results in more taxes – on me…or “my grandkids” (should any ever be born). America rejected the bailout mindset from GW Bush. Yet President Obama is doing the exact same thing – on steroids! The Whitehouse claims to be “giving tax cuts to 95% of Americans” is a flat out “smoke & mirrors – deferred tax” game lie, since they are running a defict. Not just “a deficit”, but multiple times any in the history of this nation. I met many “Obama voters” who are outraged over it. And THAT is the point. To attempt diminishing the BASIS of the protest is otherwise called “spin”. Sooner or later, the “credit card bill comes in the mail”. WHAT THEN???

Gail

April 28th, 2009
12:27 am

Jim,
Do your calculations include the people down Mitchell Street and those in the grassy/park area on the corner of Mitchell & Washington? I admit I am not a good crowd estimater but there were lots of people. People were coming and going all night. Another way to get a gauge on the number is to check with MARTA and see how much their ridership was up from a normal night with a Braves game. A lot of people did ride MARTA that night.

one fan

April 28th, 2009
12:30 am

If 30,000 showed up then you would have said 15,000 showed up. Don’t be offended that everyone does not think Obama is the savior of us all. It’s okay. Relax. You should get a hobby so you have something to do besides proving Hannity is wrong. We all know Hannity is a Jackass. Obama is just as moronic as Hannity. When will all of you sheep realize that Obama is Bush and Bush is Obama. Hannity is a jester who averts our attention from the realization that we are losing our freedoms at the hands of both parties. Anyone who thinks that either side of the aisle gives a rats red behind about the middle class is a first class idiot. Love to all!

Gail

April 28th, 2009
12:37 am

Oops! sorry it’s late. I just re-read your areas & you did include down Mitchell St

Ward

April 28th, 2009
1:18 am

Next thing you’ll tell me is that the Million Man March was only about 200,000. Or that Obama’s inauguration was only about 800,000. Oh, but of course, the media is loathe to ‘get bogged down in crowd counts’…

Ammy

April 28th, 2009
1:22 am

I am deeply moved by the effort expended to get the count “accurate”. But why the effort now? Since when did the AJC concern itself with accuracy in reporting? Oh, that’s right, when it looks like conservatives might be making a point. I was there and believe me, however much space you think you would allot to each person, cut it in half. The place wasn’t crowded it was packed. So much so that you couldn’t move to oonnect with others you had planned to meet up with. As for accuracy in numbers, I was also at the demonstration a couple of years ago at the Vietnam Memorial in Washington, DC. The numbers there were greatly under-reported by the AJC and many other news orgs. I don’t recall an article going to such lengths to dispute the underreporting. Typical leftist crap from the piece of crap that is called the AJC.

Chuck

April 28th, 2009
1:26 am

Jobu, the average tax cut Obama ‘gave’ us was about $8/week. And that will be way more than offset when he lets those evil Bush tax cuts expire next year. So don’t tell me what a ’sad, fat suburbanite’ I am… I’m the one paying your taxes. I saw you and thought ‘there goes another pathetic product of the public education mills…’

Ammy

April 28th, 2009
1:34 am

Jobu, you completely gave yourself away with your last line. We were all there because of “race”. You must mean the race to pay your bills. Because all of us “sad, fat suburbanites” who pay your way and the way for all of your deadbeat friends and family have decided to stand up and be part of the unsilent majority. Race is irrelevant – pathetic losers need to start paying their own way. Race to that one, why don’t ya?

Drago

April 28th, 2009
2:12 am

The liberals voted for a known liar and genocide extinguish by his liberal policies on the dreaded abortion and stem-cell research. I forgot his trillion dollar spending program that will bankrupt the country, so let the mind warped marxist have their temporary victory.

2Tired

April 28th, 2009
5:20 am

Swine flu, staggering debt, unemployment, banks failing and this guy is out counting tea party attendees. What a joke.

Michael

April 28th, 2009
5:52 am

Sickof, how much of that story did you read? The New York Post, owned by Fox Corp. owner Rupert Murdoch, had the biggest drop of any of those publications at more than 20 percent. There are about 1 million crazy nuts like you and Billo the Clown who think that the “liberal media” tirade is what is killing circulation. No, it’s the fact that you can read stuff online before it’s in print and access it for free.

Would it kill the extreme fringe of conservatism to actually point out why it thinks the media is liberal? Take a look at the crowd from inauguration day. Your illusion of this world is just an illusion.

Ben

April 28th, 2009
6:22 am

Did you not see the interview CNN did from a Tea Party? You can watch that amateur hour and say they aren’t biased?

Hey, and wow, great teabagging jokes! Maybe when you finish the 5th grade, you can come up with something that’s actually funny and original, instead of the most obvious, sophomoric joke possible. But I guess when you have no substantive arguments to make, teabagging jokes are the way to go.

Will Jones - Atlanta

April 28th, 2009
6:25 am

Whatever the actual number was, those who follow papist Hannity are Tories, plain and simple. Obama speaks fluent “Whig,” suggesting his grace and humility is genuine, and American by “Annuit Coeptis.”

The financial, debt crisis has been foisted off on America by the Tory Party of false republicans “selling us down the river,” making us bondslaves to debt owned by foreigners and fascists.

Historically, corruptly founded by the Robber Barons on Jekyll Island (which their latest incarnation wants to again steal from the People), their faction of monocrats created the unconstitutional Federal Reserve System as the vehicle by which the People could be enslaved, and when threatened by his Executive Order 11,110, murdered John Kennedy (by the hands of Nixon and GHWBush), did it in broad daylight, and has gone on to commit 9/11 for the same Tory puposes.

There is but One Creator G-d. Science, common sense, world history, and subjective knowledge tell any thinking person that this is true.

This born American believes that Our Founder and Author Thomas Jefferson was also an anointed Prophet of G-d. America and Georgia would do best to receive his inspired instruction.

N.B.: Just as the “Whig Party” of the 1830’s-on had nothing in common with the whig Founders, and in fact pursued opposite principles, having stolen the name to falsify their advertising so as to dupe the People; the “Republican Party” has nothing in common with republican principles upon which this whig utopia, America, was founded…it is a marketing ploy.

“Where the principle of difference [between political parties] is as substantial and as strongly pronounced as between the republicans and the monocrats of our country, I hold it as honorable to take a firm and decided part and as immoral to pursue a middle line, as between the parties of honest men and rogues, into which every country is divided.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Branch Giles, 1795. ME 9:317

“Men have differed in opinion and been divided into parties by these opinions from the first origin of societies, and in all governments where they have been permitted freely to think and to speak. The same political parties which now agitate the U.S. have existed through all time. Whether the power of the people or that of the [aristocracy] should prevail were questions which kept the states of Greece and Rome in eternal convulsions, as they now schismatize every people whose minds and mouths are not shut up by the gag of a despot. And in fact the terms of Whig and Tory belong to natural as well as to civil history. They denote the temper and constitution of mind of different individuals.” –Thomas Jefferson to John Adams, 1813. ME 13:279

“The division into Whig and Tory is founded in the nature of man; the weakly and nerveless, the rich and the corrupt, seeing more safety and accessibility in a strong executive; the healthy, firm, and virtuous, feeling confidence in their physical and moral resources, and willing to part with only so much power as is necessary for their good government; and, therefore, to retain the rest in the hands of the many, the division will substantially be into Whig and Tory.” –Thomas Jefferson to Joel Barlow, 1802. ME 10:310

“The parties of Whig and Tory are those of nature. They exist in all countries, whether called by these names or by those of Aristocrats and Democrats, Cote Droite and Cote Gauche, Ultras and Radicals, Serviles and Liberals. The sickly, weakly, timid man fears the people, and is a Tory by nature. The healthy, strong and bold cherishes them, and is formed a Whig by nature.” –Thomas Jefferson to Lafayette, 1823. ME 15:492

“Nature has made some men monarchists and tories by their constitution, and some, of course, there always will be.” –Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, 1817. ME 15:135

“The common division of Whig and Tory… is the most salutary of all divisions and ought, therefore, to be fostered instead of being amalgamated; for take away this, and some more dangerous principle of division will take its place.” –Thomas Jefferson to William Short, 1825. ME 16:96

“I consider the party division of Whig and Tory the most wholesome which can exist in any government, and well worthy of being nourished, to keep out those of a more dangerous character.” –Thomas Jefferson to William T. Barry, 1822. ME 15:388

We ignore Mr. Jefferson, a Prophet of G-d, at our peril. Those who yet sense the blessing that is America must, in giving thanks to the Creator for its being shared with us, work to rid it of the cancer now upon us…which Mr. Jefferson identified as “an engine for enslaving mankind,” “the real Anti-Christ.”

Racists, fascists, monocrats, enslavers…Tories…all who gather as hopeful members of a false-elite whose path in history is marked by intrigue, assassination, false war, caesaropapism, fraud, pedophilia, perversion, rape, murder and treason.

“Every society has a right to fix the fundamental principles of its association, and to say to all individuals, that, if they contemplate pursuits beyond the limits of these principles, and involving dangers which the society chooses to avoid, they must go somewhere else for their exercise; that we want no citizens, and still less ephemeral and pseudo-citizens, on such terms. .We may exclude them from our territory, as we do persons infected with disease. Such is the situation of our country. We have most abundant resources of happiness within ourselves, which we may enjoy in peace and safety, without permitting a few citizens, infected with the mania of rambling and gambling, to bring danger on the great mass engaged in innocent and safe pursuits at home. In your letter to Fisk, you have fairly stated the alternatives between which we are to choose : 1. licentious commerce and gambling speculations for a few, with eternal war for the many ; or, 2. restricted commerce, peace, and steady occupations for all. If any State in die Union will declare that it prefers separation with the first alternative, to a continuance in union without it, I have no hesitation in saying, ‘ Let us separate.’ I would rather the States should withdraw, which are for unlimited commerce and war, and confederate with those alone which are for peace and agriculture. I know that every nation in Europe would join in sincere amity with the latter, and hold the former at arm’s length, by jealousies, prohibitions, restrictions, vexations, and war. No earthly consideration could induce my consent to contract such a debt as England has by her wars for commerce, to reduce our citizens by taxes to such wretchedness, as that laboring sixteen of the twenty-four hours, they are still unable to afford themselves bread, or barely to earn as much oatmeal or potatoes as will keep soul and body together. And all this to feed the avidity of a few millionary merchants, and to keep up one thousand ships of war for the protection of their commercial speculations.”

Obama’s doing what he needs to keep the Pocantico Hills/Wall Street fascists and monocrats and papists from doing to him what they’ve been yet to be brought to justice for doing to JFK. He isn’t working for them. I believe he is still working for the American People.

It is We, the People, who must get out in front of him, to protect Our Executive we made Elect over the best efforts of those in opposition to the whig principles which make each of us free and sovereign.

The means by which proper American culture can be safely restored is by demanding and receiving justice for the torturers and traitors revealed to all following Bush’s and Cheney’s 9/11 “Reichstag Fire Redux.” “The New Pearl Harbor” is now downloadable for free and it makes the inarguable proof that Hitler’s banker’s draft-dodging closet-queen grandson, the son of one of JFK’s assassins cheated into the White House by only the illegal votes of the Roman Catholics on the Supreme Court, did this to us.

Let the “chips” fall where they may.

Death for Treason

Those who support papist Hannity and pederast Limbaugh, who brought us the traitor Bush must be forced to newly assess their Tory classification. As in “A Bugs Life,” there are many millions more of us, the People, than there is of those who wish to side with Satan…no matter into how few square feet each of them can squeeze. Tighter the target, easier the shot. Tories got to go…away. America is for whigs, and whig means anti-Roman Catholic. No room for pedophiles promoting illegal immigration and traitors any more in America…and particularly not in Georgia.

Smiley

April 28th, 2009
6:54 am

Of course THIS column said there was one thousand people at the tea party. While we may not be sure of the right number, you can all be assured that this column is not a reliable source of accurate information.

Will Jones - Atlanta

April 28th, 2009
6:55 am

does anyone know where i can get my Haldol prescription refilled for free? Medicaid won’t pick it up and I am all out.

Will Jones - Atlanta

April 28th, 2009
8:31 am

Can’t handle American Truth, so you need to steal a name? Why not use the one your parents gave you and try to make your own argument if you disagree with America’s Founder? In any event thanks for demonstrating that papist Hannity’s defenders and fans, pederasts, liars, promoters of illegal immigration and priestly pedophilia, child molesters and assassins, are thieves…steal a name, try to steal a country.

Death for Treason

Jeffersonian Exegesis http://theamericanfundament.blogspot.com

Will is an IDIOT

April 28th, 2009
8:46 am

Will is so ignorant, he doesn’t realize that it is the money managers and the George Soros’s of the
country that put ignorant bo in office. Now bo promotes every leftist tax cheat and political
dummy from biden to napolitano to federal office. keep waving those pom poms will.
Like buffalo over the cliff and presidential planes flying over NYC for a photo op, you love
showing you are brainless.

Jane

April 28th, 2009
10:24 am

I’m trying to decide if I’m more offended by 1) the hippy women, 2) the all male crowd, or 3) the fact that they still observe Confederate Memorial Day (our first visit to Stone Mt. Park was coincidentally Confed. Mem. Day…like we’d walked into a different universe).

Seriously though, nice analysis.

Utopianna

April 28th, 2009
10:28 am

It seemed like a long-lasting Tea Party. How do you count the people that don’t stay the entire time? Some may come and tire of standing, while others may come later due to TV coverage. I would think that the total count of attendees should be adjusted up by at least 20% from your calculation.

Tiffany

April 28th, 2009
10:53 am

a human being occupies 4 square feet? really? there’s no way in hell i occupy 4 square feet if we’re strictly talking about physical area as opposed to personal space preference. you know, even google provided answers saying humans occupy 2 square feet, so you can just double the answers in your findings. and that would give you…. exactly what it was estimated to be. hmm.

sunnybabe

April 28th, 2009
11:34 am

This is the reason AJC is so unpopular and losing readership everyday. What importance to my life is this article? It is not, it is just the left hating that the right is able to get numbers out for their cause. It just shows the bitterness of this left-wing rag. I have never seen them dispute attendance numbers for any left wing rally.

HB

April 28th, 2009
11:35 am

For the people doubting 4 sq ft per person: that is 24 in x 24 in. Using a piece of 8 1/2 x 11 paper as a guide, I, a roughly average-sized woman, just estimated my shoulders to be around 17 inches wide and my tennis shoes to be about 12 inches long. I have been in many crowds, including at the Inauguration this year, and I would say even in tighter crowds, I probably had around 4-6 inches (that’s only a about the size of my hand from wrist to fingertip) of ground both in front and in back of my feet and at least 3-4 inches between each shoulder and the persons’ next to me, but probably closer to 6 in. So, 4 sq feet seems like a reasonable figure.

Grant Park Resident

April 28th, 2009
12:14 pm

This article was expected – why should the AJC change their stripes at this point? A few facts from an person who was actually there.
A couple of problems with your math “facts” – 1)You only assumed that the crowd that was there at the beginning was the same crowd that was there at the end. INCORRECT FACT – during the evening, I was an eye-witness to the fact that some participants came early and had to leave and others arrived later so, the person in the alleged 4X4 space in many cases was 2 different people during the evening. 2)I personally don’t take up a 4X4 space (I’m female by the way)-another INCORRECT “FACT”. plus there were many young people there.

A couple of replies to other comments – I am not a suburbanite nor am I fat nor am I racist (which obviously, the person who said we were there because of race is a racist by default). There were young, old, middle-aged, black, white, asian, … all who are sick of being sucked more and more into slavery by the government (not just the current one). For the person who chose to communicate in French – I know the language and, if you want to live in a very Socialist country, please move to France – you are dishonoring the people who fought and died in the French revolution for many of the same reasons we were at the Tea Party.

By the way, I left the tea party that night to write $40,000 in checks to the government (after paying estimated taxes all year). That was my “reward bonus” for working hard and creating jobs in 2008. Really inspires me to go out and do it again!

All said, be careful out there regarding what is truth coming from the media. Check the facts carefully. Please don’t just keep riding on your emotionalism and let these types of articles fool you. Else, you will one day soon find yourself totally controlled by the government and you will be imprisoned for even daring to reply in public this way.

HB

April 28th, 2009
1:20 pm

“I personally don’t take up a 4X4 space (I’m female by the way)”

I’m sure you don’t — that would be 16 square feet!!! 4 square feet is only 2 feet by 2 feet.

Hyper

April 28th, 2009
3:29 pm

Nice analysis. I guess the nutters are out in force today. Almost reminds me of the yahoo message boards.

Vlajos

April 28th, 2009
3:44 pm

Fun watching the heads explode on the right today.

Proud Yankee

April 28th, 2009
3:53 pm

Confederate Memorial Day? That speaks as loudly as all of the inflated wingnut counts. How pathetic does Georgia have to be to formally celebrate treason?

say no to socialism!

April 28th, 2009
4:13 pm

May Day.
Let your voice be heard & say no to the rise of socialism in our great nation!