Senate bill would prohibit at least one form of embryonic stem cell research

After nearly backing away from the issue this afternoon, Senate Republicans on Thursday evening passed a bill that would prohibit at least one form of embryonic stem cell research in Georgia.

Somatic cell nuclear transfers, a form of research being used to find a cure for juvenile diabetes, would barred under the legislation, which over the course of six days had morphed several times.

When it finally passed, S.B. 169 was stripped of all penalties, criminal and civil, and faces an unlikely future in the House. Even so, Christian conservatives claimed victory and predicted it would send a message to biotech companies thinking of doing business in Georgia.

“We’ve established a beachhead in the 21st century. We know we’ve got major battles coming up,” said Dan Becker, president of Georgia Right to Life, as he stood outside chamber, thanking senators as they left for the evening.

The bill was originally intended to restrict multiple births through invitro fertilization — inspired by the California “octuplet” mom. However, religious conservatives underestimated the reaction of couples who have had to cope with infertility.

Although already stripped of most regulation, the measure nearly foundered Thursday afternoon, the day all legislation must pass one chamber or another, when state Sen. Dan Weber (R-Dunwoody) spotted language in the bill that would have made it illegal for couples, when the wife is infertile, to pay the expenses of a second woman who chooses to donate her egg for the invitro process.

As debated Thursday afternoon, the bill would have also prohibited Georgia couples from donating unused embryos created during IVF treatments to researchers — in Georgia. Donations out-of-state were still permitted.

However, five other Republicans joined Weber and the Democrat caucus to table S.B. 169, which forced Republicans — worried about angering conservative Christian voters — into a 90-minute recess to rewrite the bill.

The new version would bar researchers from mixing human genes with ones from animals, and mandates that all embryos be created for the purpose of making babies. All mention of invitro fertilization was removed.

“We’re doing in five minutes things that ought to take a year and a half. You think this does nothing,” warned state Sen. Steve Thompson (D-Powder Springs). “It breathes life into something you’re going to turn over to the House of Representatives.”

State Sen. Preston Smith (R-Rome), who acted as the rewrite man through the bill’s many permutations, explained the limited impact of the legislation to reporters after the final vote, which came only three days after President Barack Obama lifted federal restrictions on funding for embryonic stem cell research.

“What it says is when we form life in Georgia, when you create a fertilized embryo, that’s for the purpose of creating children. As for the scientific research on existing stem cell lines, or those brought in from out of state, there’s no restriction whatsoever,” Smith said.

Georgia couples could donate unused embryos wherever they chose, Preston said, as long as those embryos were created as part of a fertility process.

“After that the law becomes silent,” he said. “The only thing you can’t do is form the embryo for the purpose of scientific research.”

But opposing Democrats and the lead backers of the bill agree that this would ban somatic cell nuclear transfer, also known as therapeutic cloning.

“The only way you can do that is by creating an embryo. You remove the nucleus, and replace it with [another] nucleus, so you’re creating an embryo for purposes other than” procreation, said state Sen. David Adelman (D-Decatur), whose district includes Emory University — one of several institutions in the state likely to take advantage of Obama’s lifting of a ban on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research.

“The most promising research involves somatic cell nuclear transfer. That is the research that the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation believes has them very close to a cure. The scientists believe that will be the first major disease cured,” he said.

“That’s really what this debate is about,” Adelman said. “These are the same people who don’t want us to teach evolution in our schools. This is the same crowd.”

Becker of GRTL agreed with Adelman about the reach of the bill — which is likely to surprise many of the senators who voted for it. “What the teeth are I’m not sure. But it makes a statement,” he said.

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Sane Republican

March 12th, 2009
9:18 pm

This is a yet another ridiclous attempt by out-of-step elected officals to cause more damage to Georgia. The quote about the Bio Medidcal companies says more than that iditoic Senator thinks–It says DO NOT COME TO GEORGIA WITH YOUR JOBS. What morons.


March 12th, 2009
9:27 pm

Bravo, Senators! There is something unique and special about a human embryo, or any other stage of a developing human being, just because it is human. Recognizing that distinction protects all who are weak, vulnerable, powerless, handicapped, or ill. Killing any human being to obtain raw materials for treating another human being is what the Senate voted to stop today.


March 12th, 2009
9:31 pm

These legislators are total idiots.

If you’ve ever seen a child suffer from juvenile diabetes, then you know what a terrible disease it is.

For God’s sake, show some compassion for the children already here!

Over It

March 12th, 2009
9:32 pm

Cutting off the nose to spite the face.

We need to get the old, out of touch, closed minded people out of there as soon as possible. This may be why the unemployment rate in GA is just as high as the NATIONAL rate. I mean SERIOUSLY!!!!

Winfield J. Abbe

March 12th, 2009
9:37 pm

Sugar or glucose in the bloodstream is a very tightly controlled quantity by the human body. As soon as sugars or carbohydrates hit the blood, the pancreas, a very small and overworked organ, must produce insulin to control the sugar in the bloodstream to prevent hyperglycemia and other problems. Diabetes and its cousin, cancer, are both diseases of too much sugar in the blood and too much sugar in the diet. The FDA (U.S. Food and Drug Administration) has totally failed to protect the pubic from these epidemics. For example, all cancer cells run on anerobic glycolysis as proved from experiments and facts in the laboratory over the past 80 or so years, beginning about 1923. The junk food industry (colas and chips and candy), almost non existent when I grew up in the 1940’s or in the lives of our ancestors, has flourished today with impunity with virtually no regulation by the corrupted FDA. It is this single industry along with the removal of vital nutrients from foods due to food processing, that are responsible for overworking the pancreas leading to diabetes and decreasing the oxygen transfer across cell walls leading to cancer and uncontrolled growth of cells, prevented by the adequate oxygen based metabolism of living cells. The pancreas is a relatively small organ and simply, for most people, is not capable of producing the enormous lifetime amounts of insulin demanded by the excessive carbohydrate diets today. The FDA has totally sold out a gullible and unwitting public on this. Prevention is the key in both of these horrible diseases. It is pure speculation at this point whether stem cell research could ever provide a cure for fully developed diabetes and regenerate a failed pancreas. Likewise, once cancer is fully developed and cells have switched to fermentation running on glucose in the absence of oxygen, they are irreversibly changed and must be killed or removed, as proved by the genius in Germany Otto Warburg, M.D., Ph.D., deades ago. It is impossible to regenerate them. The current epidemics of both of these diseases can be traced to the promotion of carbohydrates by the junk food industry and the promotion of processed foods with its emphasis on extending shelf life by removing most of the necessary nutrients in foods; e.g., essential fatty acids. The corrupt FDA (corrupted by the money of the food industry) has totally betrayed the gullible public it purports to serve. Instead, for example, it uses its Gestapo powers against any medical doctor who might seek to cure cancer with high dose Vitamin C therapy which has been known to kill cancer cells in the human body without harming normal cells, at least since 1969. The successful efforts of Abram Hoffer, M.D., et al in this regard are described in the second referance below by Reagan Houston. But no effort by the FDA is made against the producers of junk and processed foods which are at bottom the cause of both of these medical epidemics.
America has the “best” FDA money can buy.
A distinguished scientist John P. Dobbins, Sc.D., also once sought to have ordinary white sugar (sucrose) removed from the Approved Foods List. While he “won” the debate, he lost the battle due to the power of the sugar industry.
“The Hidden Story of Cancer” by Brian Peskin, E.E. and Amid Habib, M.D., Pinnacle Press, Houston, 2006-2008. This book has an extensive discussion of diabetes as well.
“Cancer and Vitamin C Therapy for Patients” by Reagan Houston, M.S., P.E., Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients, Aug./Sept., 2007.

Winfield J. Abbe
A.B., Physics, UC Berkeley, 1961
Ph.D., Physics, UC Riverside, 1966
Athens, GA

Joe Sheppard

March 12th, 2009
9:40 pm

In vitro fertilization is immoral and selfish. If an infertile couple wants children so bad, why not adopt one that someone else does not want? Secondly, as a juvenile diabetic of 38 years, with serious complictions of diabetes (retinopathy, kidney failure, neuropathy and athereosclerosis) I will never support using FETAL stem cells for a cure. It encourages the creation of an non-voluteer meat market for human parts that ignores the sanctity of life. I am not opposed to volutary donation of organs for transplant or the use of donated non-fetal stem cells (including umbilical material) for research toward disease cures.

Put simply, I do not accept that one human being has the right to decide the life and death of another innocent human being for their own selfish ends. Does anyone?


March 12th, 2009
9:44 pm

Another reason why I’m ashamed to live in the state of Georgia. When the neighbors don’t even believe that rocks are over 5,000 years old, that’s what we’re dealing with here. The lack of scientific knowledge and knowledge period around here is stunning and sad.


March 12th, 2009
9:52 pm

It’s pretty clear here that a bunch of zealot-pleasers are running around the capitol like chickens with their heads cut off trying to craft a bill that will stick. As a result, you’ve had bill after bill that makes no sense. Georgia researchers can only work with out-of-state embryos and Georgians can’t donate to Georgia researchers, but out-of-state is OK? How pathetic. What this says, and business-minded Republicans would agree, is don’t bother bringing scientific-based jobs into this state because sooner or later we’re going to pass a stupid, illogical, down-right bizarre bill like this and put you out of business.


March 12th, 2009
9:59 pm

I am an attorney bringing in foreign investment from companies abroad into Georgia. There is a significant amount of investment looking for a place to call home. At the moment, I’m working with 2 biotech companies. Georgia is competing with Florida for the placement. The job creation potential is significant and the investment runs into the tens of millions of dollars. Unfortunately, the very informed investors will probably look to Florida now. Even if this action does not impact their business and research directly, it sends a message that they are not welcome.


March 12th, 2009
10:00 pm

Typical. Democrats are compasionate people who look out for others, while Republicans are selfish and only think of themselves UNTIL they need something – like a cure – then become Democrats on that one particular issue. I’m sure these Republican senators would vote differently if they had a child with diabetes. Hypocrites.


March 12th, 2009
10:01 pm

Why are we fighting in Afghanistan when the Talabani “thought police” are already in the Georgia legislature keeping Georgia in a feudal “state”?

Georgia esucated

March 12th, 2009
10:09 pm

Duh, spose we ain’t edumacated nuf for them there biomehtekanic jobs


March 12th, 2009
10:16 pm

Hello Joe – your ignorance does not deserve a response however, it is easy to look from the outside and comment on a situation when you haven’t faced it yourself. I would never expect to know the difficulties you have faced as a diabetic simply from reading a few news articles. Dont’ judge others if you have not walked in their shoes.


March 12th, 2009
10:17 pm

And yet another reason to hang my head in shame as a native. Why don’t we pass legislation to just revert back to the 19th century? I’m sure it’d win votes in the rural counties.


March 12th, 2009
10:20 pm

This is very sad and totally unnecessary legislation. Our state legislature is an embarrassment — a bunch of regressive cave-dwellers intent on making Georgia the “last” in everything except narrow-minded lawmakers.


March 12th, 2009
10:24 pm

I suppose the next bill the legislature passes will be to assign every citizen a church to attend. As a native Georgian who returned this year from living in Florida for a few years I am ashamed about how backwards this state has become and how the state government has gone on a religous crusade with the laws that have been passed or proposed in the past few years. Georgia was once a progressive state, how did these people get elected.


March 12th, 2009
10:32 pm

Winfield – Overprocessed sugars did not cause me to be a type I (juvenile diabetic). If you have noticed, most type I diabetics aren’t overweight and don’t over eat. Type I is a genetic disease and there’s nothing that can be done to prevent it. Your arguement might be on for type II but do a little more research.

As for stem cells, these cell lines can save lives. Stem cells continue to save leukemia and lymphoma patients from cancer through transplant. Why are some of you against improving the lives of people with terminal illnesses. If you want eymbros to stay in a freezer forever or be destroyed instead of potentially helping the sick, may god help you!


March 12th, 2009
10:34 pm

Winfield, before you go pontificating about the dietary failings of diabetics, learn the difference between type 1 diabetes and type 2 diabetes.

Alex B

March 12th, 2009
10:37 pm

It’s nauseating of what the South represents. I cannot believe I have to spend another year in this backward place. I love Atlanta, but Georgia is nuts! Religious freaks are still on the prowl scaring businesses away while unemployment is skyrocketing. Move to Alabama, rednecks.


March 12th, 2009
10:39 pm

Always makes me wonder why the CDC is located here.


March 12th, 2009
10:41 pm

Yet another embarassment for our state. The pseudo-Christian conservatives will prolong the search for cures for things like juvenile diabetes, in the process murdering many people now and in the future who benefit from such a cure. The so-called Christian conservatives are the real murderers. Damn them to the bowels of their own Hell for all eternity. So mote it be.

Old Vet

March 12th, 2009
10:46 pm

Our state has gone rapidly down hill since this crowd took over but the sad truth is we will reelect them again and again. Does anyone know or care what they are about to do to Jekyl Island? Also they are about to politicize the state dept of transportation.


March 12th, 2009
10:49 pm

So, the tally of posters is about 10:1 in favor of doing embryonic stem cell research.

Oh, Joe Shepard, just because you have diabetes does not give you the moral high ground in the argument. If anything, your high blood glucose levels have accelerated glycosylation of the extracellular domains of membrane receptors on your neurons so that synaptic responses are delayed and you can’t think clearly.


March 12th, 2009
10:50 pm

The religious right fighting science, I’m suprised they didn’t through something in about evolution. Please stop shoving your beliefs down my throat. Gods kingdom is not of this worl. Have you guys ever read that bible your always thumping? We attack science in this state and we are what, 48th in test scores? See any connection.


March 12th, 2009
10:50 pm

As someone who has suffered from juvenile diabetes for over half of my life , I cannot even find the words to describe how mad this makes me. If even one child could be prevented from the suffering I have had in my life, then I think stem cell research is completely worth it. No one knows how bad you feel with blood sugars that fluctuate and until people experience that, they have no clue how bad you feel. It makes me wonder how some people live with themselves having no idea the suffering they are preventing other children from going through.


March 12th, 2009
10:55 pm

This bill does not affect adult stem cells which have cured over 70 diseases. Embryonic stem cells which results in the death of the embryo have not cure any diseases. Bravo GA for encouraging the right kind of research. Check out the treatments – yes diabetes – from adult stem cells


March 12th, 2009
10:57 pm

I have dealt with Juvenile Diabetes for 11 years. I had some small hope that possibly now with stem cell research that possibly I would be able to be free but state legislature feels that I need to continue to suffer in order to satisfy their religous beliefs. Amazing.


March 12th, 2009
11:13 pm

So the website is registered to “Right to Life of Michigan”, huh?

I’m shocked.


March 12th, 2009
11:15 pm

Why does the extreme faction of far right continue to think they are the majority in this state? I am tired of this minority holding the future of this great state hostage. It is time to call your representative and tell them that by advancing this bill they are devolving this place into a religious state akin to the Taliban.


March 12th, 2009
11:17 pm

I hope every legislator who signed this bill will find at re-election time that they do not represent the majority of their constituents. Better look for a new job. This bill is silly, we can’t use stem cells from this state, but you can bring them across state lines and use those? Let’s really tie the hands of researchers trying to cure diseases that are killing many of our citizens. Not proud to be a citizen of a state that is poorly run, poorly educated, and losing jobs to states that support new technologies.


March 12th, 2009
11:32 pm

Oh Joe, I only hope that you will never find yourself facing infertility. You have no idea how selfish and ignorant your comments are. Regardless of how you feel about stem cell research, I cannot understand anyone who thinks that he or she can understand the struggle and choice to undergo ivf. For those of you who think it is so simple to adopt, do your homework.


March 12th, 2009
11:38 pm

What idiots. I love this quote from a zealot to the right: “Recognizing that distinction protects all who are weak, vulnerable, powerless, handicapped, or ill.” Do you think the right wing cares once you’re more than one-day old? Hell no? And God forbid you are an adult who is “weak, vulnerable, powerless, handicapped, or ill.” You’re not in the big tent with Rush! Well, heck, he takes up the whole tent now, so forget that thought. Let’s just keep Georgia on the bottom of any list created for showing the states with forward thinking thoughts.


March 12th, 2009
11:40 pm

I am so glad that this was crossover day so this bunch of “non-thinkers” will not do anymore damage than they have already done. They were worried about making the conservatives mad? What about the rest of us? When there are cures from these cells and some state will get some cures, please Mr. Legislator who voted for this crazy bill, don’t come looking for help from it for yourself or your children


March 12th, 2009
11:58 pm

i hope i’m standing behind some of these people who claim to be doing “god’s work” when jesus looks at them and rolls his eyes and says “i don’t think you could have gotten it more wrong you idiot!”

Alex B

March 13th, 2009
12:05 am

Lynn43, eventually evolution will catch up with these fundamentalists and I hope they refuse treatment the same way Jehovah’s witnesses refuse transfusions.

Do Some Good

March 13th, 2009
12:10 am

I am personally for all stem cell research and the promising future it holds for medical science, and I am planning to tell my Georgia Representatives my feelings on the matter. Voting out the idiocrats and theocrats in the next go-around is one way to make change, but we also can let these people know in advance the consequences of their legislative actions. I’m sure that they are just as afraid of being jobless as the rest of us. Make your voice heard! Find your elected officials here: Add their email addresses to your email contacts, and write them often! Ticked off? Let ‘em know! Did they do something right? Let ‘em know!


March 13th, 2009
12:14 am

Well I see the radical right wing republican faction is alive and well and living in Georgia. Don’t you love how they like to insert their will on the rest of us by coming up with these Dark Age policy’s. Georgia will never be competitive with the other States with clueless dummy’s like these as our elected officials. I can see businesses leaving right and left and any new ones, forget it. What losers! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves. I want all of you to own this bill because if you ever need medical help by what these clump of cells could provide, we can all throw your vote back in your face. Get your head out of that hole you are in and think of others(live human beings) for a change. People are suffering and dying needlessly. I’m remembering your names on election day none of you are fit to hold office. At least most of the other states live in the real world and research will be done. As long as we have backward thinking people like these in office, Georgia will never make progress.


March 13th, 2009
12:31 am

I cannot believe how backwords this state continues to be!!! I’ve lived here 30 years and raised 4 children here. One of them is a nurse who has one healthy child, but due to scar tissue in her fallopian tubes had several ectopic pregnancies after(I guess the right to life folk and the Republicans in charge should know that iz God’s version of getting rid of children by miscarriage, right?). Her only option is in-vitro fertilization now, since one fallopian tube was removed. She is in her mid-twenties. Geesh. It’s even sadder because she works at a children’s hospital.

My mother, who thank God lives in Alabama, has Parkinsons’s Disease, and there is hope now that she might be cured through stem cell research. How would anyone like if they had worked all their life, and the day of their retirement were diagnosed with Parkinsons?

BTW, I am from Alabama orginailly, although I lived around the world due to being an military dependent. Alabama ranks 17th nationally for education. Georgia ranks what…49th or 50th? Ga raised these current crop of politicians and it really shows!!! Idiots.

Ashamed of my state

March 13th, 2009
12:32 am

The favorite canard of the religious right – that adult stem cells have cured “insert number of diseases here” and embryonic stem cells have cured zero – is yet another example of the poor logic that defines the illogical and unscientific thought of religious fanatics and ideologues everywhere.

Ignoring the fact that embryonic stem cell research has been hamstrung for nearly a decade, this kind of argument is equivalent to saying that, for example, because Salk had not developed a polio vaccine in 1950 that he never would.

The absence of a discovery does not mean that discoveries will never occur. How about we actually give stem cell research of ALL kinds a chance before we write something off as useless?

Oh right. Because religious fools are just that. Fools.


March 13th, 2009
12:35 am

People are down on their luck and looking for answers, but get this crap from state “leaders.” In one day, they’ve passed bills deterring people from buying a new car this year (and justified it by stating the tax savings on a $150,000 Mercedes) and “sent a message” to potentially high-paying bio-tech firms that you are not welcome here. What a great job stimulating the economy and battling the state’s record high unemployment. I think today may be a turning point in Georgia, when the mainstream majority finally says “enough is enough.” We just have to field good moderate candidates (regardless of party) next year and the media can’t let this go. But unfortunately, the “liberal” AJC does us no favors in pressing real issues — my guess is that this story will be replaced by a tale of some dog pushing a shopping cart through a Wal-Mart in Missouri by the morning.

k martin

March 13th, 2009
12:59 am

sad, sad illogical and immoral religious zealots trying to save us from ourselves. If you won’t let us support and house companies who save lives, at least let me buy a freakin six pack of beer on SUNDAY! IDIOTS

how have these right-wingers hijacked our government?


March 13th, 2009
7:23 am

I’m not quite sure what happens next. Does this bill now go to the house?? Hopefully, it will be stopped there.


March 13th, 2009
10:14 am

I am always amazed at how much misinformation there is out there about stem cell research. In order to truly understand what is going on, we need to do some reading and studying about a subject that is truly scientific and philosophic and biologic. Most people don’t have the time and so they rely on soundbites that sometimes can be lies.

For instance, even the JDRF (juvenile diabetes research foundation) will admit that cures using Human Embryonic stem cells (HESCR)are far off in the future (maybe 10 to 20 years. They still haven’t figured out how to keep these cells from mutating into tumors.) However, adult stem cell research is already providing some cures of this dread disease. All one has to do is go out and look at JDRF website, instead of listening to David Adelman’s soundbite which was totally false.

Venture capitalists were funding HESCR for the past 10 to 15 years. They have moved their money to adult stem cell research and to iPs research because most of the promise is in this research rather than HESCR. That is why the biotech companies are begging for taxpayer funds more now than ever, because they are losing private funds to the more ethical research. Follow the money to see where the cures will be coming from.

I am a doctor. I have brains. I was not raised or educated in Georgia. I went to a big university with a big research program. And yet I applaud the Georgia Assembly for wanting to protect human life from destructive research. I have always known (through embryology-science) that human life begins at the second of fertilization because in the one cell stage that life is unique, distinct and already co-ordinating its own development. If it wasn’t human life, do you truly think that the scientists would be so insatiable in their demand for human embryos.

So I guess the argument for not destroying human life in the beginning is a philosophic one. Suppose that all newborn babies were found to have a chemical in their brain that would cure cancer. Suppose also, for the sake of a thought experiment, that the parents were okay with donating their child for research. Of course, the child would have to be killed for the chemical. Would you say that was murder? Why or why not? That is the question that needs to be answered by everyone.

I have answered it for myself. Human life needs to be protected in all its many stages or else the strong will always be able to do what they want with the weak; the big will always be able to do what they want with the small. If you believe that Human Embryonic Stem Cell research is correct, then the first person that comes along that is stronger, bigger, more independent, and healthier than you can determine whether you live or die.

Think about it.

Alex B

March 13th, 2009
10:42 am

PyschDoc, you are stating that adult lines are not any less effective than embryonic? I have dealt not only with embryonic stem cell research, but also implantation. In early and mid 90’s when I was first exposed to it I have seen the effects of what it does to people without fully understanding the mechanisms. Now the mechanisms are clearer and the foundation for a breakthrough are set.

I do not want to get into a futile conversation about when life begins, since it is nothing more than opinions, but based on science embryonic cells are simply more effective. No one is saying we need to kill babies to cure cancer, but a zygote is not a child. It may be a functioning organism, but so is a tadpole. If you value life, but still eat meat kind of puts you in the category of the Darwin’s thesis. Life may begin at fertilization, but is it human? For you it is, for others it is when the heart is beating, for me is when neuronal connections have become abundant, then we have the 24-26wk cutoff of sustainability, then the actual birth. Your definition is not absolute.

Adult lines are not as “pure” as embryonic ones. Stem cells mature and develop functions the older they are. Clean slates of embryonic stem cells provide greater yield for proposed functioning.
The time frames you are citing are from a continuing research. The only proponents of adult over embryonic cells are the ones basing their decisions on religious beliefs. But any research is better than none, so it has to continue.

The money flow is only an issue when it is taken away from research. Private funds have been continuously poured into research and withdrawal into alternative research was more due to political reasons than scientific. Big money has politics behind it, so it is not surprising of the pull out. Now that the attitudes of the new administration are changed expect the reversal of the flow of funds. Everyone wants to have safety in future governmental protection and get best yields in funded research. If I believe GM will not honor warranties, I will be less inclined to get one. But Hyundai offers a buyback under unemployment and an excellent warranty. So between a Caddy and Genesis, I may swallow my pride and go with safety, not yield.

The bottom line is flow of funds does not determine scientific anticipation and embryonic stem cell research provides better and faster answers. Everything else is religious hoopla.


March 13th, 2009
1:34 pm

Obviously, the supporters of this bill are for a culture of disease and death. My child suffers from Juvenile Diabetes which is a devastating and lethal disease. The top endocrinologists in the state of Georgia have told all us parents of Juvenile Diabetics that embryonic stem cell research is superior to adult stem cell research in the quest for the cure. I can’t even think of the Catholic or Baptist church leaders without getting nauseous. Thank god I’m an Episcopalian. We are for life and health. The legislators” living at the foot of the cross” have certainly thrown our children under the bus. Don’t think we parents won’t work to replace them with compassionate representatives when they come up for re-election. Our children are everything to us. They are our precious loved ones.

Aaron Burr V. Mexico

March 13th, 2009
7:54 pm

I used to feel bad for sick kids. But I study Darwin and I guess it is natural selection. I am a thinker. I am not driven by religion. We must now, as we begin the push for universal healt care, have a conversation about the sick just being sick. It is life folks.


March 16th, 2009
12:00 pm

To Joe Sheppard — How dare you call IVF patients selfish and immoral? A licensed surgeon treating my wife for a childhood hernia moved her umbilical cords in such a way that they fused to her femoral arteries disallowing her eggs to pass through the felopian tubes properly. That is why we are utilizing IVF. How is that immoral? How is that selfish? Because a doctor screws up 25 years ago, my wife is immoral for wanting to experience pregnancy and have a child from her own womb? I sincerely hope you have not procreated or raised a child in anyway to pass along your ridiculous close-minded propoganda about what is and isn’t moral.