Non-Christian teachers preferred at public school

What is the mother eagle trying to hide? (Image from Ferndale public schools website)

What is the mother eagle trying to hide? (Image from Ferndale public schools website)

Public education in the U.S. has been called expensive, unequal and mediocre. In Detroit, it is said only 25 percent of students get an “adequate education.”

Many say education would improve if students had better parents or teachers.

There’s no quick fix to creating better parents, but it seems like it would be possible to hire better teachers.

For about 40 years, a school system in the Detroit area gave hiring preference to women, minorities and, somewhat shockingly, “non-Christians.”

Are non-Christians better teachers? The Internet is all-knowing, but I couldn’t find any studies that suggest such a thing.

The school system said the “non-Christian” provision was inserted in the 1970s, but doesn’t know why.

The Ferndale school board and teachers union quickly agreed to remove the language after a reporter pointed it out to them.

The state board of education may investigate how this happened.

I was educated in public schools, and I think my teachers did a fine job, though they may disagree. I thought my teachers had been hired simply because they were deemed the best at teaching.

My education continues.

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Rockerbabe

March 20th, 2014
9:43 am

I am the product of a catholic education (grades 1-8) and public high school (grades 9-12). I got a good education, because I put a lot of work into my studies and assignments. The old saying that “you get out of live what you put into it” applies to schooling also. Sure, better parents would help greatly, but this comment about “better teachers” means nothing. Just what does the blogger mean by this? Better how? Better educated? Non-union vs union? Master’s degree preferred? And the big question, just what are the school systems prepared to do to get these “better teachers”? Are the schools going to pay them better, give them better benefits, talk and treat them in a respectable manner? Or does the blogger think that teachers have no opportunities outside of education and therefore, can talk and treat them as if what they are concerned about does matter in the scheme of things? School teachers of all stripes have been under assault by politicans and the media alike over the last 10 years or so and it is no wonder that these very well educated folks take their skills, talent and energy elsewhere (and charter schools aren’t any better).
This blog post needs work.

BenDaho

March 20th, 2014
10:01 am

They prefer non Christians so they can teach the kids “social tolerance” and non responsibility for their actions instead of math and science…

ChristieS

March 20th, 2014
10:15 am

What a way to sensationalize a non-story. A 40-year old policy that, under Federal law, CANNOT be enforced (that whole no discrimination because of religion concept – see 1st Amendment of US Constitution and other assorted Civil Rights laws, beginning1964), is not removed from “official” rules and regulations for whatever reason.

Perhaps the writer of this article would like to do some research and find out whether or not the policy was ever enforced. If it was, THEN you might have a story but as of now, there are plenty of laws, regulations, and policies on the books in many jurisdictions that are obsolete and unenforceable. No one makes a big stink about them because they are UNENFORCEABLE.

Some yahoo is going to jump all over this nonsense article because of its misleading headline and go nuts over some supposed conspiracy…oh, look…someone just did.


BenDaho

March 20th, 2014
10:01 am

They prefer non Christians so they can teach the kids “social tolerance” and non responsibility for their actions instead of math and science… “

Contrarian

March 20th, 2014
10:16 am

What a complete non-story this is. Just more red meat to feed their poor, pitiful persecution complex. First of all, no one knew it was there so it obviously wasn’t used. More importantly, however, is the context. It’s just as obvious that the intent was to promote diversity. It doesn’t say to give preference to ANTI-Christians, it says non-Christians — like say, Jews, Buddhists, or Muslims. But, I understand that far too many of today’s Christians are taught that it’s the same thing.

It’s just another example of how far they will stretch the truth to make it appear they’re perpetually persecuted.

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
10:17 am

Depends on the subject. Christians are generally unqualified to teach science because they don’t “believe” in it. They will always put their subjective and unsubstantiated beliefs above the data and evidence, and that is the antithesis of science.

6 points

March 20th, 2014
10:17 am

The same city that recently filed for bankruptcy. Detroit (a liberal bastion). Need I say more.

BenDaho

March 20th, 2014
10:22 am

Christie S must be a liberal edumacator…

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
10:25 am

BenDaho must be a conservative pencil pusher whose only experience in education was sitting in a desk staring out the window for 12 years.

C from Marietta

March 20th, 2014
10:28 am

@ GUTRAKE

Really? Some of the greatest scienctists in the world were/are Christians. Talk about ignorant statement.

BenDaho

March 20th, 2014
10:28 am

I only stared out the window for the last two years as I realized that I was already smarter than my educators.

Brian R

March 20th, 2014
10:29 am

This is the very reason why our children have gone astray… Bringing guns to school, stabbing teachers, suing their parents, are just a few of the examples that stem from taking Christ from the school. It saddens me to think that my son will have to grow up amongst all of this, all the while I’m trying to teach him right from wrong.

ATLWmn

March 20th, 2014
10:33 am

People do realize that there is a difference between religious zealots and your everyday, run of the mill Christians, right? Most of us can see the world in an objective manner while still holding on to our beliefs. The world is not black and white, and treating people as such will only harm the students.

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
10:34 am

I’m sure that’s an accurate and unbiased self assessment, BenDaho.

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
10:37 am

Brian- Were you under the mistaken impression that students could not bring Bibles or pray in schools anymore? And I thought an omniscient, omnipotent creator could go anywhere he wanted. Or does he not care about children enough to go where there is no state sanctioned religion allowed?

Maude

March 20th, 2014
10:41 am

If only 25% of the students recieved a decent education then it is clear that NonChristian teachers are not better at all.

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
10:43 am

C from Marietta-

You might want to spell “scientists” correctly before calling someone ignorant.

As to the content of your post, 93% of the scientists in the National Academy of Science are currently atheists. Sure, in the past Catholics made great strides in science when they weren’t burning people as heretics, but we’re long past that time. When Christians stop rejecting science because of no other reason than their religious and political beliefs and actually accept the facts of the natural world, then they might be deemed qualified. I don’t see that happening any time soon.

Nancy

March 20th, 2014
10:46 am

“GUTRAKE” is some Christophobe who seems intent on flooding the blog with his self-hatred.

Isn’t it time, George, that you did something to keep your blog from turning into a boring cartoon dominated by this sick-o?

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
10:58 am

Nancy,

What part of “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence” do so-called Christian women like you not understand?

George Mathis

March 20th, 2014
11:00 am

I believe in free speech. Disagreement should not equal deletion, or censoring.

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
11:03 am

I found a new church after getting kicked out of the last one for telling the pastor’s daughter she should sit down and be silent while she was giving a personal testimony during the Sunday morning service. Even if she is only 7 years old, a young woman should learn her place according to Scripture as early as possible. Train up a child and all.

When I came in for prayer meeting on Wednesday I noticed that several of the ladies from the new church were selling baked goods and one had some Pampered Chef catalogs next to a basket of muffins.

I became enraged with the fire of the Holy Ghost and I turned over the tables and chased the women out of the church hall yelling, “This is a house of prayer, not of Avon and mediocre baked goods!”

I’m looking for a new church for this coming Sunday now.

MoFaux

March 20th, 2014
11:04 am

Bendaho: “I only stared out the window for the last two years as I realized that I was already smarter than my educators.”

According to your first comment, plus the one above, that would mean that your “educators” were not very bright to begin with.

bulls_3y3

March 20th, 2014
11:05 am

gutless is part of the 75% without adequate education and is now a professional blogger spewing idiotic statements. gutless is always on bended knee praying to his savior:obama obama

skipper

March 20th, 2014
11:06 am

Remember, this is Detroit, for Pete’s sake. Until somebody wakes up you could have Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. there and it would not make a difference. That cess-pool is a direct product of poverty, demographic disparity, and folks crazy enough to put the folks over the city that they have. You cannot drive yourself into the ground, then elect incompetant buffoons to office and expect miracles!

jo

March 20th, 2014
11:07 am

Detroit is primarily muslim controlled.

Billy

March 20th, 2014
11:10 am

LOL, believers ARE persecuted. How would you know unless you are one? I would not take a non-believer’s word for anything.
As far a evolution being “proved,” it hasn’t been proved at all; it would take a time machine to truly “prove” it. I saw a person at a school board meeting hold up a fossil and say to the board the this proves “everything.” There was a world before the present one; so what? If that’s enough proof for you to hide behind it in order to give you an excuse not to believe nor obey what you’ve been commanded to do in this life, then you’re in for a hell of an afterlife.
Almost everytime, a believer will do better in life than unbelievers, because they are blessed. Here’s the equation for all you scientists: if you adhere to a godly lifestyle on a consistent basis, you’ll do better because the Almighty blesses you. If you do the opposite, plus on top of that, tell others there is no G-d, then the Almighty will work against you. Plus, non-believers have no inner peace.
If you don’t want to believe, be my guest, but there is absolutely no definitive “proof” that your side is correct. You can object all you want to, but you’re not going to get out of this life alive, to quote a country music singer, and when you arrive at your destination in the next life, be sure to tell the Almighty that he doesn’t exist, and that even if he did, JC is not the exclusive way to serve him. LOL, you might want to throw in the latest heathen fad, that he’s a bigot on top of everything else. It won’t matter how good you were or what you think you deserve, relative to others, or on your own merits. People that accepted JC and did their best to serve him will be escorted to the right, goats with attitude, extensive fossil collections, and numerous opinions on atheism will be moved to the left, and those on the left will have an eternal future that is almost unimaginable.
Believe what you want; that’s what you’re going to do anyway. I could produce Jesus Christ on the spot and you still wouldn’t believe. JC said that exact thing himself, in one of his parables. (Luke 16:19-31).
You put-down artists can advance wrong theories all day, but in the end, if you don’t do what you’re commanded to do, you will end up in the worst possible place, but don’t take my word for it. If you want “proof” what I’ve said will come true, don’t change anything; just die just as you now are. You’ll get all the proof in that anyone will possibly need–but it will be too late to do you any good. Ciao, baby…

Michael Sam

March 20th, 2014
11:12 am

YEAH we are going to force our “diversity” on you.

swim_upstream

March 20th, 2014
11:13 am

@Billy Amen.

Don't Tread

March 20th, 2014
11:14 am

0bama rewrites another law on his own. What else is new? Oh yeah, the liberals’ endless puffing about how “tolerant” and “accepting” they are of people not like them, and then proving they’re anything but “tolerant” and “accepting”.

Edumacator

March 20th, 2014
11:15 am

We have to sacrifice our educamacation for “diversity”… got to know what is important here. Schools don’t educate any more. There are no teachers anymore – just edumacators.

Mary

March 20th, 2014
11:17 am

We now have an uneducated but diversified society. That’s what schools do best.

Harlton

March 20th, 2014
11:18 am

Let’s get politicians and lawyers out of the classroom and hire some teachers.

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
11:24 am

Guys, I believe Mr. Mathis is in on the “fakerake” impostor. He did not exercise his ability to prevent another individual from hijacking my handle. I’ve used this nickname for years. Once my posts started becoming unassailable, this fakerake started using my name and spewing pablum.

So, it is my opinion that George is at least tacitly aware of what has happened. Of course, anyone with an iota of discernment can distinguish between my posts and “his” rants.

Again, I am honored for being singled out and mistreated. I’m a big boy and I can take it. I just expected more from the “powers-that-be.”

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
11:35 am

Christians have forgotten our true heritage. There was a day when we stoned atheist witches like Hypatia of Alexandria and burned other heretics at the stake. We once knew where we came from and what we believed. Now most Christians are that in name only.

areaman

March 20th, 2014
11:39 am

Maybe they’d been discriminating against non-Christian teachers and were trying to make up for that.

Billy

March 20th, 2014
11:40 am

I went into the city with my family and we got surrounded by a gang of muggers. Following in the footsteps of the only righteous man in the city of Sodom, I offered them my two daughters if they would let my son and I go. Just then the police showed up to the rescue and the thieves ran off.

I was served divorce papers this morning. Pretty soon I’m going to have more ex wives than King David had concubines.

Billy

March 20th, 2014
11:42 am

Sarah Palin and Michelle Bachmann, please do us all a favor. Read your Bibles properly, go home, enter kitchen, make sandwich.

On My Way

March 20th, 2014
11:43 am

Oh gosh. Prepare for the onslaught from the right wing. Proof exists!

Bumper

March 20th, 2014
11:46 am

“The school system said the “non-Christian” provision was inserted in the 1970s…”

Imagine the uproar if there was a “non-Muslim” provision. Instead of Internet blog fodder that would be the lead story on the network nightly news shows and the Department of Justice would launch a full scale investigation.

Bernie31

March 20th, 2014
12:16 pm

That one is Easy…TALIBAN MEMBERS do not make Good Teachers…Period.

MANGLER

March 20th, 2014
12:21 pm

ben accidentally nailed a key point in religious teachings, intolerance. Yes, social tolerance is something public schools teach and enforce. Parochial schools, not so much.

MANGLER

March 20th, 2014
12:23 pm

Billy,
I don’t know who you are, but I need to buy you a drink sometime.

Nancy

March 20th, 2014
12:23 pm

@George Mathis 11:00 am:

Free speech is great, George.

But when fully 69 out of 114 comments on yesterday’s topic were from this same rambling sick-o … don’t you maybe think it goes beyond “free speech,” George?

BenDaho

March 20th, 2014
12:25 pm

Bernie31

March 20th, 2014
12:16 pm
That one is Easy…TALIBAN MEMBERS do not make Good Teachers…Period.

Unless it’s an explosive device manufacturing class. I hear they’re the bomb to teach those!

Nancy

March 20th, 2014
12:35 pm

I fully support free speech. Unless I don’t like what the person has to say and I don’t want to be exposed to their ideas. Then they should be banned. Or killed (in the Biblical sense of course). Yes, free speech should be strictly limited, based on my whims. Oh, forget it. I have no idea what free speech is or how it applies under the Constitution (which I have never read).

leefrommeeks

March 20th, 2014
12:35 pm

One day all the Christians will be gone and it will be hell on earth. Maybe all you non-Christians will be happy then but I think not because there will be no one to blame but yourself.

josey

March 20th, 2014
12:43 pm

Well, public school is for ALL – which includes all religions.
Some public school Christian teachers can be overzealous –
viewing the classroom as a “mission field.”
It’s best for Christian teachers to just BE Christians – wherever they teach.

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
12:51 pm

Look, no one pays the slightest attention to me or my opinions in real life.

But here on this insignificant blog in a failing liberal newspaper I’M A BIG SHOT, and can run my mouth endlessly!

So if you don’t like that, why don’t you do what my wife and kids have done—and just LEAVE!

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
12:54 pm

FakeRake,

It must be tough for you to have family or friends.

GUTRAKE

March 20th, 2014
12:55 pm

And if my ex-wife is reading this … you’ve gotten the last tearful, pleading phone call from me. SO CALL OFF YOUR STINKING LAWYERS!!!

George Mathis

March 20th, 2014
12:56 pm

I really don’t have time to look up everyone’s IP and catalog and track who is who … please have the courage to use your OWN FAKE NAME and not someone else’s! Thanks.