How much marijuana should a state smoke?

The times they are a-changin’, to quote famed marijuana aficionado Bob Dylan.

One need look no further than the nationally televised news program where California Gov. Jerry Brown openly asks “how many people can get stoned and still have a great state or a great nation?”

Good question. With marijuana rapidly becoming more legal everywhere, we may soon find out.

Brown, 75, once known as the “liberal” governor who followed Ronald Reagan, says once the marijuana industry has “advertising and legitimacy” behind it the “tendency to go to extremes” may turn the U.S. into a nation of couch potatoes.

“The world’s pretty dangerous, very competitive. I think we need to stay alert, if not 24 hours a day, more than some of the potheads might be able to put together,” said Brown on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Brown may be paranoid.

Alcohol has been legal for decades, and during that time the U.S. has fared pretty well.

During Prohibition (1920-1933), government revenue from taxes tanked and the U.S. economy became weaker, not stronger.

The biggest winner during “the noble experiment” was organized crime. Al Capone took over Chicago because he controlled the bootleg liquor trade, among other things.

Right now, the only two states where marijuana is legal for recreational purposes, Colorado and Washington, are raking in taxes.

Legalizing marijuana would likely drop the price to the point criminals couldn’t make a killing from it. A 2010 study suggests the price of high-grade marijuana would drop from $375 to $38 per ounce.

In Georgia, lawmakers today are scheduled to vote on whether to legalize medicinal marijuana. The latest version of the law would allow five state universities (Regents, Morehouse, Emory, Mercer, UGA) to grow marijuana.

Only a lawmaker would make it legal for schools with strong church ties (Emory and Mercer) to grow a plant instead of institutions with the word “agriculture” in their name like ABAC.

My advice? Buy as much Doritos stock as you can right now.

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43 comments Add your comment

Ben

March 3rd, 2014
10:27 am

If a government official is asking “How much marijuana should a state smoke” then they have already demonstrated that they don’t understand their job.

That is not a question the state has any business asking. People should smoke as much or as little as they want, and it’s none of the state’s business.

Maude

March 3rd, 2014
10:40 am

Medical marijuana is different from smoking for pleasure.

SmokeItUp

March 3rd, 2014
11:02 am

Weed should be legal a long time ago—most people smoke weed and it’s no big deal. Change the law now—start raking in hundreds of millions in tax revenue!!! Smoke it up!

Class of '98

March 3rd, 2014
11:08 am

$38 for an ounce of high grade would be nice.

ugadawg2005

March 3rd, 2014
11:09 am

Quote:

“Only a lawmaker would make it legal for schools with strong church ties (Emory and Mercer) to grow a plant instead of institutions with the word “agriculture” in their name like ABAC.”

Response:

It might have something to do with those universities having medical schools. I don’t think the legislature is looking for research on how to grow it. I think they want to know what medical benefits it could provide.

Class of '98

March 3rd, 2014
11:15 am

I was watching a rerun of “Cops”, and they went to a domestic dispute at a residence involving two elderly people.

The cops arrested a woman who looked to be about 75 years old because they found a small amount of weed. She said she used it to help her pain and depression. She was smoking it in the privacy of her home, bothering no one. They took her out in handcuffs.

If the “powers that be” can’t see what a waste of time, energy and resources it is to enforce the law in such an idiotic way, we are all doomed as a society.

And to all you Dudley Do-Right cops out there who think you are the incarnation of Superman or Batman because you arrest a harmless person who happens to be in possession of a bud of a plant, shame on you. You are part of the problem.

Mark Richt

March 3rd, 2014
11:23 am

How bout them dawgs!

Businessman

March 3rd, 2014
11:29 am

Smoking dope makes you sit around watching reruns of “Cops”.

USC-69

March 3rd, 2014
11:35 am

I think what Governor Brown was essentially stating is that stoned pot-heads aren’t much good for anything. They may even eventually conclude, as our boy ‘BEN’ concludes above, that majority rule and the rule of law are passé and drug-fueled anarchy makes a desirable, prosperous, and safe country in which to live. The sober majority, of course, will disagree. In my experience, pot heads do not cause a lot of trouble, unless they try to drive or work at a skilled or intellectually challenging occupation. They tend to be more peaceful and loving than drunks. I guess, as a society, we need to decide if we want to support these non-productive pot heads or let them die slowly without intervention. A review of the medical literature (PubMed) quickly demonstrates that there is no proven medical benefits from marijuana and some long term adverse medical consequences. Legalization should be taxed vigorously because we will need to put up with the abnormal behavior and the consequences of the movement to heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine by most pot heads

manman

March 3rd, 2014
11:37 am

In that same interview, Brown also claimed that marijuana is dangerous and that legalization would cause irreparable harm, completely ignoring the fact that the most danger from marijuana comes from cops and gangbangers.

Bumper

March 3rd, 2014
11:49 am

Jerry Brown, who’d a thunk it??? Maybe ole Jer watched one too many reruns of Reefer Madness.

MoFaux

March 3rd, 2014
11:53 am

USC-69, no one is advocating getting stoned and designing bridges for you to drive over, for the same exact reasons no one advocates that same engineer drinking 5 shots of tequila instead. “Most” potheads turn to those drugs? You are such a tool. As a pot smoker of 26 years, I’ve known no one who has done that. You really don’t know what you are talking about. I would love to challenge you to an intellectual competition while you are sober and I am high and see the look on your face when you lose again and again. Based upon your post, I could probably also be doing those other drugs you mentioned, but they have never interested me. Doing drugs, including prescriptions and alcohol, while working ANY job is stupid. Brown is an utter fool for saying that garbage.

Joy

March 3rd, 2014
11:57 am

USC 69 – I am appalled by your comment – “the abnormal behavior and the consequences of the movement to heroin, cocaine, and methamphetamine by most pot heads”. I have smoked, know people that have smoked & still do & NONE of us have ever done heroin, cocaine, or meth. You are really showing your ignorance if you think pot leads to those drugs. Have you been watching Reefer Madness too? Do you also think pot smokers jump out windows & commit suicide? We hold down jobs & have many responsibilities in life. We can perform them much better than the alcoholics & prescription drug addicts in the world too.

count_schemula

March 3rd, 2014
12:00 pm

If we managed to fuque things up this much without weed, imagine how jacked up things would be with weed. Is that the argument here?

Businessman

March 3rd, 2014
12:09 pm

“We perform much better than alcoholics & prescription drug addicts.” That looks great on a resume.

MoFaux

March 3rd, 2014
12:16 pm

count_schemula, please tell me that you were joking. “Without weed?” I’m afraid weed has been here before our ancestors walked the earth my friend. We are discussing legalization, not eradicating the plant from the earth. Jesus Christ, please help these people, because this atheist sure as hell can’t.

count_schemula

March 3rd, 2014
12:18 pm

Well, yeah, duh. Weed has been around and will be around, taxed or not taxed.

My point was, J Brown seems to think weed is going to be the tipping point. Well, crafting legislation and regulation on scotch sure has not worked out that great.

Bud

March 3rd, 2014
12:20 pm

Mr. Brown should educate himself before he make’s those stupid, uninformed claims. Pot has many,many different strains today. Most of the Sativa blends give you energy and focus. I can workout, ride my bike and run for hours after smoking. I have occasional pain in my knees from years of playing soccer and 6 years as a pro and pot eases that pain greatly. I recently ran a half marathon and smoked prior to the race. I had great energy, focus with no pain and finished in 1hr and 45 minutes. Get informed you old, white conservative folks. People from all walks of life smoke and have for years.

LadyGAGADawg

March 3rd, 2014
12:24 pm

I know if I lived in CO I would move, pronto! CA use to be the worst state in the US, now it’s CO, which I hear from some that live there is because so many have moved there from CA. It’s bad enough having to worry about drunk drivers on alcohol(a drug) without having to add pot smokers to that. This state’s Governor and legislators must be some real “weiners”!

MANGLER

March 3rd, 2014
12:30 pm

Ever seen someone high on pot driving a car? It’s pretty easy to spot them. And it’s also pretty easy to walk up next to them, reach in, and turn the ignition off.

LookbeforeILeap

March 3rd, 2014
12:43 pm

To the original question in the post.
“How much pot should one state smoke?”

Certainly no more than one bong per bag of Cheetos that can be found in the state.

Jeff

March 3rd, 2014
12:46 pm

What’s so ignorant to me about these sort of statements is that these politicians act like changing the laws means everyone is going to start smoking. While I’m sure it will increase some, most cannabis aficionados are already getting their fill despite what the law says, and historically it’s been shown that laws actually have very little effect on usage.

Hidden Agenda

March 3rd, 2014
12:52 pm

Showing concern regarding the “productivity” of the citizens of a state shows clearly how the government views all of us – as slaves. We certainly need to abolish all government welfare programs so that we are not subsidizing laziness, etc. (as we do today), but every individual has the right to be as productive as THEY wish, not as the government wishes. Obviously this just perpetuates a false stereotype that cannabis users are lazy whereas tens of millions of users hold down very productive jobs in all sectors of society.

How about we simply try freedom nationwide AGAIN and see how wonderful it can be?

Jeff

March 3rd, 2014
1:00 pm

USC-69, Mangler and the remainder of you making comments about things you clearly have no knowledge and/or experience with, please discontinue and go back to watching Reefer Madness and continue sitting in your little government sanctioned safe zone you have mentality created for yourself. I know many cannabis users and not one of them has ever followed the path you describe, and are in fact productive, educated members of society that you would never know used unless they informed you. Furthermore, considering there have been next to no medical studies on cannabis’s benefits, only focusing on the negative aspects, I’m not sure why you feel the need to spew this moot point about biased medical studies. Morons like you are we’ve had these Draconian laws on the books for so long, while much more foolish activities, such as alcohol consumption, are promoted to society on a daily basis.

Ben

March 3rd, 2014
1:05 pm

USC-69: Majority rule would have pot legal all over the country. I definitely support the rule of law, but this is not an area the government has business meddling in. Prohibition should have proven that.

As to what you “know”, you’re obviously pretty ignorant in this area. I’m happy to challenge you to any sort of test you want, driving, intelligence, memory, etc. I’ll get stoned out of my mind beforehand, and I’ll beat the heck out of you on any test you can name that involves things you think potheads can’t do.

Funny how you cite “research” the same day an article appears talking about how many scientists are unable to do any research on marijuana because the government blocks them.

You know how? Terrible circular logic. Pot is schedule 1, therefore by government definition it does not have any medical value, so studies can’t be approved for it, so it can’t be moved to schedule 2. In order to move to schedule 2, you have to prove that it has medical value, but you can’t proive that if you can’t study it, and since it’s schedule 1, you can’t study.

Of course this also goes against the literally thousands of doctors across the country that say it has medical value, as well as the millions who have used it for such. People with cancer who find they have quality of life with pot, and none without, stuff like that.

But I guess none of that matters, because you’re an ignorant fool who knows better, right?

People like you are why we ended up with zero tolerance rules and other methods that prevent people from using their brains.

Ben

March 3rd, 2014
1:07 pm

Mangler: You’re so wrong. Almost everything you say is the opposite of true. 5 minutes with a stoner and I can disprove almost every word you’ve typed.

Try learning a bit before spouting your mouth. It’s pretty obvious everything you know about pot your learned from a D.A.R.E. t-shirt.

LookbeforeILeap

March 3rd, 2014
1:12 pm

Not a pot smoker myself. I don’t like the smell nor the way it makes me feel. Would much rather catch a buzz with some high-end tequila or a nice glass of wine, WHEN I AM IN A BUZZ CATCHING MOOD, which ain’t all that often. That said, I have more than a few friends whom you would call high-achievers and professionally successful. Managers, business executives – 6 figure income types who like to get high once in a while. Some of them have been smokin’ the whacky weed for more than 20 years. They aren’t hooked on pot and they did not move onto harder drugs.

Brown’s concerns are un-warranted (IMHO). In fact I think overall you’d see productivity rise if only because the tens of thousands of folks in the pokey for growing and distributing pot, would be out of jail (where they are currently a drag on society) and back out earning what would be, after legalization an honest living. Paying rent, buying groceries, clothes and other positive influences to a state’s GDP.

count_schemula

March 3rd, 2014
1:13 pm

Legalization only changes 2 things.

Cops and prisons don’t have to deal with weeders. Maybe they can spend more time on robberies and murders?

New source of tax revenue.

Not much else would change from the ways things are right now, today. If you have a 10th grader, you have had weeded up kids in your kitchen eating your cookies. #truth

JustATeacher

March 3rd, 2014
1:56 pm

The real reasoning behind not legalizing marijuana is much more political than Gov. Brown suggests. By arresting people for using this fairly harmless plant, our government guarantees they won’t be able to vote or participate in many other aspects of society for the rest of their lives. Since some politicians and many corporate tycoons have a vested interest in keeping as many citizens from voting as possible, locking people up and eliminating their votes (the only way average Americans can have any political influence) is a winning political strategy. Furthermore, there are many people who earn their living off the people we incarcerate for this “crime.” Lots of lawyers, prison guards, and policemen would be out of jobs if we legalized marijuana. People should look below the surface argument of “Is this activity criminally dangerous or not?” to find the real reason for our government’s refusal to legalize marijuana.

rumrunner

March 3rd, 2014
2:13 pm

The “literature” doesn’t prove any positives from medical marijuana because it is a natural growing plant that cannot be patented, and thus big pharma will beat its brains in to keep us from using it. They will throw all their money into research to disprove its usefulness, while refusing to support any research that would prove its positive benefits. Same reason we will never have a cure for cancer…it’s bad for big pharma and their big money lobbyists.

count_schemula

March 3rd, 2014
2:22 pm

Big pharma and Budweiser (InBev) do not want legal weed.

Joy

March 3rd, 2014
2:23 pm

Businessman, go pop another pill and have another scotch during lunch then maybe you’ll understand my statement. Did you put all of your bad habits on a resume? I didn’t think so. I’ve held down a very good job all of my working life & part of the time I did smoke pot – Not at Work – only on weekends. I’ve never drawn unemployment or had any public assistance. I also never did any other drugs except the prescription pills my doctor gave me. I could perform much better while smoking pot than I ever could by drinking or pills.

DTY

March 3rd, 2014
2:28 pm

Legalize it and tax it to the hilt. Pay for gov’t off the backs of those that require intoxicants to live- weed, alcohol, pills, etc. The more they pay, the less the rest of us pay. This way those that claim that it is harmless can use as they see fit and those that now use it as a crutch for some sort of disability scam no longer have a case.

Sampson

March 3rd, 2014
2:34 pm

USC 69- I have a “friend” who has smoked 5+ days a week for the last 10 years. During this time he has graduated from UGA and found an intellectually challenging job making 6 figures a year. As long as someone is a hard working, productive member of society, there is no harm in smoking a bowl after work just as there is no harm in having a glass of wine after work. Please don’t post comments based on your “knowledge” that you acquired during your time at USC in the 60s.

As for the medical side of things….. Please do some research regarding people with chronic seizures that turn to marijuana for help. Many people have found that marijuana has been the only thing to drastically reduce the number of seizures (which I believe is the focus of the GA bill).

joe

March 3rd, 2014
3:33 pm

With the total incompetence that the GOP and Dems have demonstrated over the last 20 years or so, starting with Bill “I did not have sexual relations with that woman” Clinton, to dummy W to the worst president in US history Obozo the dictator, this nation is moving closer to Libertarian each and every day…and a good thing it is. This means less restrictions on pot, gay marriage, etc (which is fine in my view) and also LESS TAXES AND LESS SPENDING!!! YAY!!!!!!!

We no longer can afford to borrow from China only to give it away to “developing” countries. Nor can we sustain being the world’s police…at least until we get our own house of cards in order.

Smoke away my friends!!

Blue

March 3rd, 2014
4:09 pm

How much marijuana should a state smoke? All of it.

JD

March 3rd, 2014
4:15 pm

All you self proclaimed potheads need to enjoy your freedom and cheap weed while you have time. The government is going to legalize it and take total control over it. They have Big Tobacco as the perfect example of how the are going to control the hell out of your precious weed. Personal plants are still going to be illegal but with stiffer penalties and fines.

Funny how you potheads hate Christians but refer to it as a plant of God. What stupid hypocrites.

Suck deep into that chamber while you can.

Businessman

March 3rd, 2014
4:30 pm

So Joy, you are saying that I would have to be under the influence to understand what you meant? Brilliant.

Hidden Agenda

March 3rd, 2014
4:45 pm

Why must legalization come with massive taxation? What’s wrong with simple freedom for a change? By setting up yet another oppressive tax regime, you only encourage another black market in tax avoidance. That means more cops, more courts, more prisons. Of course that is what the government parasites want so they can continue making money off easy stuff like pot rather than going after real criminals, but far too many of you common sense folks are falling for this garbage. Why should government get ANY MORE MONEY? Its not as though they have responsibly spent the trillions and trillions they have already stolen from us. Its not as though we have the best police, safest streets, best roads, best schools, (I could go on forever) to show for all the money. How about we just legalize and enjoy the savings that will come from fewer police resources needed, fewer courts, fewer jails, etc.?

GUTRAKE

March 3rd, 2014
5:53 pm

Sounds great to me…smoke and toke, become slow-pokes and jokes….we could use a little levity in this once-great-country. Your turn, impostor.

Jack ®

March 3rd, 2014
7:45 pm

Brown was born stoned.

Ben

March 4th, 2014
8:45 am

JD: Who said we hate Christians? Many of us are Christians. I’m not, but I have friends who are. I have friends in just about every category you can come up with, including people who think all drugs are the devil.

Joy

March 4th, 2014
9:26 am

No, Businessman, I am saying you must be under the influence of alcohol or prescription drugs to NOT understand what I am saying. Have a beautiful day!