America not celebrating 100 years of income taxes

A group of World War II veterans from Missouri pose for a group photo as they visit the World War II Memorial in Washington, Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2013. The group came to Washington on an honor flight despite the shutdown of the federal government. It was an act of civil disobedience that marked the fact some barriers nor a government shutdown would keep a group of World War II veterans from visiting the monument erected in their honor. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

A group of World War II veterans from Missouri pose for a group photo as they visit the World War II Memorial in Washington, Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2013. The group had to bypass barriers to visit the memorial. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)

Thursday is an anniversary no one will celebrate: The 100th year of the federal income tax.

Once upon a time, the federal government existed without taking a chunk of people’s pay. It was the 1800s and people worked on farms and probably got paid in turnips, which are more difficult to tax than paychecks.

I won’t bore you with the history, we’ve got The New York Times for that, but President Woodrow Wilson signed the 16th Amendment to the Constitution Oct. 3, 1913. Workers have been complaining ever since.

The problem with an income tax is that it creates a lot of paperwork and federal employees. Not ideal.

Today, the federal government is partially shut down, but you will notice the full amount of taxes will be deducted from your paycheck Friday.

During the shutdown, the feds are making life as difficult as possible on Americans innocently caught in the political crossfire.

Why are there barriers around many national monuments in open-air pavilions? The few surviving World War II veterans that remain are having to storm the barricades to view the World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C.

It would have been cheaper to not erect fences.

Why are there fences around the MLK Memorial? Why can’t people walk up to the Lincoln Memorial and view giant Abe?

Why are the boat ramps closed at Lake Lanier?

Why did the National Zoo’s Panda Cam have to be turned off? Are they feeding the animals? Of course they are; they’re just being jerks.

Why are politicians considered “essential” federal employees?

WSB-TV reported this morning that three federal programs that babysit preschoolers may be closed soon. Why is a government hundreds of miles away from soon-to-be angry parents caring for children? If it is necessary that government cares for children, it should be local government — at least we can storm the Governor’s Mansion and still make it home for dinner.

Meanwhile, privately-owned Stone Mountain Park remains open. If you celebrate something today, let it be capitalism. Voting with your wallet actually yields results.

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RangeRover

October 3rd, 2013
7:15 am

And our once great country has endured a slow, painful death ever since and the utter, unabashed entitlement takers will sap its last breath.

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or exercise their revolutionary right to overthrow it.

Abraham Lincoln

Robert

October 3rd, 2013
7:34 am

RE-ELECT NO ONE!
Term limits.
Vote for change.

Roekest

October 3rd, 2013
7:47 am

George Mathis, you rock. You are BY FAR, the most intelligent writer on the AJC’s staff; those 22 year olds have nothing on you! You know, the other day I was thinking about what you kind of said: on Tuesday, the government “shut down”, but Kroger was still open, the banks were still dispensing cash, and the roads…..why, they were open. Miracle of miracles!

And yes Robert, these arse-clowns need term limits. Every single elected official should not have more than 2 terms in office.

George Mathis

October 3rd, 2013
7:55 am

Thanks Roekest, I knew I could count on your continuing support. I am surprised the feds have not closed the Interstates yet.

Trisha Doherty

October 3rd, 2013
8:08 am

It must suck to be a logical thinker and capitalist and work in the same building with that a**hat Jay bookboy

abbysenia

October 3rd, 2013
8:14 am

News To Me with George Mathis America not celebrating 100 years of income taxes
6:43 am October 3, 2013, by George Mathis

A group of World War II veterans from Missouri pose for a group photo as they visit the World War II Memorial in Washington, Wednesday, Oct. 2, 2013. The group had to bypass barriers to visit the memorial. (AP Photo/Susan Walsh)
Thursday is an anniversary no one will celebrate: The 100th year of the federal income tax.

Once upon a time, the federal government existed without taking a chunk of people’s pay. It was the 1800s and people worked on farms and probably got paid in food, which is more difficult to tax than paychecks.

I won’t bore you with the history, we’ve got The New York Times for that, but President Woodrow Wilson signed the 16th Amendment to the Constitution Oct. 3, 1913. Workers have been complaining ever since.

The problem with an income tax is that it creates a lot of paperwork and federal employees. Not ideal.

Today, the federal government is partially shut down, but you will notice the full amount of taxes will be deducted from your paycheck Friday.

During the shutdown, the feds are making life as difficult as possible on Americans innocently caught in the political crossfire.

Why are there barriers around many national monuments in open-air pavilions? The few surviving World War II veterans that remain are having to storm the barricades to view the World War II Memorial in Washington, D.C.

Why? It would have been cheaper to not erect fences.

Why are there fences around the MLK Memorial? Why can’t people walk up to the Lincoln Memorial and view giant Abe?

Why are the boat ramps closed to Lake Lanier?

Why did the National Zoo’s Panda Cam have to be turned off? Are they not feeding the animals? Of course they are; they’re just being jerks.

Why are politicians considered “essential” federal employees?

WSB-TV reported this morning that three federal programs that babysit preschoolers may be closed soon. Why is a government hundreds of miles away from soon-to-be angry parents caring for children? If it is necessary that government cares for children, it should be local government — at least we can storm the Governor’s Mansion and still make it home for dinner.—-

If it were up to local government we wouldn’t even have anything for the children! Georgia has some of the lowest taxes in the nation and some of the most abbysmal records in regards to public services. Even with that, the only thing we here is, we need lower taxes to attract more business who will pay our citizens LOWER wages. They may be disfunctional, they may be 100miles away… But something’s better than nothing, and if it were left to those clowns under the gold dome downtown, THAT’S EXACTLY WHAT WE WOULD HAVE……NOTHING!

A Conservative Voice

October 3rd, 2013
8:15 am

George Mathis

October 3rd, 2013
7:55 am

Thanks Roekest, I knew I could count on your continuing support. I am surprised the feds have not closed the Interstates yet.

Believe me, George, if they thought they could gain a political advantage by doing so, they would do it. This is just the latest in the power struggle going on between the D’s and R’s and unless and until the R’s gain majority control of the senate and keep the house, it will continue. In my seventy-three years of living on this planet, I have never, ever seen such shameful behavior by a political party just to be able to say…..”we’re doing it because we can do it, and you can’t stop us”. And I say to the R’s, “you’d better start getting your act together and start acting like a team or your whole party will be replaced”.

USC-69

October 3rd, 2013
8:20 am

Silly, superficial article. Maybe you should think a little deeper – the military, the interstates, education, research, healthcare, agricultural and farm supplements, F.B.I., C.I.A., internet, phone service, television, electrical power, water supply, water quality, federal courts, American Indian contracts in exchange for land, Veterans healthcare, money, money insurance, and laws passed by the majority. Here you go Mathis – a knife is my present to you. All your property (publically surveyed, zoning laws enforced, sewers, water, sidewalks, roads, police protection, firemen available, ambulance on-call, etc.) now belong to us – you are on your own. No taxes to pay, no job to do, no food stamps, no healthcare, no education, no unemployment insurance. Hit the road. Beat it. You will probably end up in our jails, where the majority of us have decided to feed you and provide you with a change of clothes. (You are human?) All at our expense. Have a ball. “Taxes are the price of civilization.” We will always have the uncivilized and the anti-tax scoundrels with us (and the poor).

John

October 3rd, 2013
8:31 am

It’s also time to tie the Presidents and Congresses Pay to the median national income. If they want a pay raise, then they must govern according to what is good for the country.

George Mathis

October 3rd, 2013
8:32 am

USC-69 — Limited government is necessary. I never said it wasn’t. Some taxes are necessary too.

The point of the blog today is that the feds are being petulant. There’s no need to close the boat ramps at Lake Lanier. We can figure out how to use them without a park ranger being around.

Why does the national park service webpage have to be taken down and replaced with a “we are closed” sign? Why not leave the website up so people can read about national parks they pay for?

As for your list, many of the things you cite are not paid with federal income taxes. Interstates? Paid for by fuel taxes primarily. That’’s a sensible user tax.

TV is private enterprise. Insurance? Private enterprise.

Education, sidewalks, water, sewers, zoning, police, fire? Local government / local taxes pay for those, primarily.

Jim S.

October 3rd, 2013
8:38 am

George,

Unfortunately, I don’t find your comments particularly insightful. Living in the south, a region which has disproportionately benefeted from Federal spending for basics such as rural electrification and expansive military expansion (projects and programs that would ONLY could have been undertaken by an income tax supported Federal Government), I listen to silly socialists living in denial all of the time. Ironic that the base of the so-called ‘tea party’ owes great thanks to all of those New York liberals who paid the taxes to make the region economically viable.

By the way, the shut down over the funding of the affordable care act/Obamacare might cause one to wonder; what is the alternative. If you didn’t notice, our health care system is the most expensive in the world without the correlating level of quality. The system already stinks, is doing nothing about it the solution? What has the House passed from its list of geniuses that addresses our failing healthcare system which leaves tens of millions uncovered and not financially pulling their weight within the system? What suggestion has the Physician/tea party hero Rand Paul come up with for these problems? Political rewards for do nothing critics who offer no alternative solutions is out of the question for me.

dalepues

October 3rd, 2013
8:41 am

Income tax, federal and state (in Georgia). Property tax, city and county. Sales tax, on everything except some food.

Fix up your house? Taxes go up.

Work two jobs to make ends meet? Taxes go up.

Savings account? Taxed again.

Tax, tax, tax.

However, if you are a corporation earning billions of dollars per year, chances are you pay NO taxes. In fact, you will get a tax credit good for future earnings. Example: General Electric. No taxes.

joe

October 3rd, 2013
8:43 am

The income tax, like many taxes, was supposed to be a temporary measure. But here is the problem with government…they don’t go backwards…with anything. They only move forward, meaning they don’t undue taxes.

Government sux no matter who is in the white house or which party controls the house and senate. Our government is equivalent to the fat lady at the opera, only the song never ends. She, and the gov’t needs to shed about 100 pounds, or 200,000 federal jobs…mainly the IRS.

Just image if you kept your entire paycheck and only paid taxes on the things you bought through sales taxes…that is nirvana. Demand the IRS be shut down and a fair tax or flat tax implemented. Life would be so much more enjoyable without our crappy government breathing down our necks every chance they get.

Don't Tread

October 3rd, 2013
8:48 am

“During the shutdown, the feds are making life as difficult as possible on Americans…”

Well, I’ll give you partial credit. The truth is that the feds make life as difficult as possible all the time, especially if you pay taxes instead of collecting them.

The hidden agenda

October 3rd, 2013
8:52 am

“It was the 1800s, people worked on farms and got paid in food…” Where the hell do you get this crap? There has been a currency that has supported the financial transactions of Americans since the say the first Europeans landed on the shores of this continent. Most assuredly there was currency before 1913 and millions of Americans worked very hard for pay in it prior to the 20th century.

The government didn’t steal the fruits of American’s labor because they couldn’t tax food, they did not do it because it was unconstitutional and is fundamentally SLAVERY to one’s government. This country and its government existed quite well on tariffs and other funding mechanism for the first 125 years of its existence. It is only when the Progressives decided to take over the government and remake the country in their twisted image did our country head downhill fast.

It began with the creation of the Federal Reserve. Far too few appreciate the criminal nature of this organization (really banking cartel). Every single Federal Reserve Note (aka dollar) is a debt obligation to the Fed. In order to pay back these “loans” the country needed a constant supply of revenue and thus the Income Tax amendment was force through.

A quite revealing book “The Law that Never Was”, clearly and completely documents the truth that the 16th Amendment that gave us the Income Tax was never legally or consitutionally ratified. Multiple states altered the Amendment before voting on it (completely illegal) and many who were claimed to have passed it never did. The book is a real eye opener, and shows just how completely corrupt the Woodrow Wilson administration was.

The Federal Reserve required an income tax, so the Amendment was certified as being passed, even though it never was. Since its passage, the government has essentially a complete claim on every dollar earned by Americans and what we get to keep is at their benevolence. Period.

The Liberty Amendment to the Constitution was introduced by Ron Paul (big surprise – the only legislator that has ever truly cared about liberty or freedom in recent years). It would abolish the 16th Amendment and the IRS and restore the Constitutional Direct Taxation methods as the ONLY mechanism for funding our government.

If our government had retained sound money (a gold standard) and only direct taxation, we would not be in today’s mess. We would not have $250Trillion in unfunded liabilities, $7 Trillion in debt, and a bloated government apparatus that sucks away 40-50% of everyone’s income, invades the privacy of every person on the planet, invades and occupies dozens of countries that never harmed us, and micromanages/destroys our country’s economy. They just wouldn’t be able to afford it.

The private sector on the other hand would have grown to address the critical functions that the citizens ACTUALLY need done through voluntary or charitable mechanisms and would be shifting focus and priorities based on market feedback versus political payoffs.

Its time to end the slavery of the Income Tax and restore freedom and sanity to this country. End the Income Tax and End the Fed. Slavery was supposed to have ended in the 1860s, but it was restored with vigor in 1913 but far too many Americans are too ignorant to appreciate that truth.

Ghost

October 3rd, 2013
8:54 am

I agree with joe and Don’t Tread

Never believe anyone that says “We’re from the government and we’re here to help you.”

George Mathis

October 3rd, 2013
8:57 am

Oh no, the anti-federal reserve people have found us!

USC-69

October 3rd, 2013
9:00 am

Like I said Mathis – silly and superficial. Who constructed the interstate freeway system? Who coordinates interstate broadcasting? Who oversees local taxation and prevents corruption? Are those park rangers at Lake Lanier boat ramps just there to “show you how to use them?” Maybe they maintain the ramp for safety, check to see if you are competent to operate a boat, and not drunk? Maybe they pick up all those beer bottles you tossed out as you brought the boat back up? Maybe they prevent the gun fights that Georgians like to have when two yahoos arrive at the same time and can’t agree on who will go first. The majority of us want this approach to civilization. Better get over it – 21st century, lots of people, lots of different nationalities and cultural experiences. Taxes are now at an extremely low level and will need to be steadily increased (particularly on the billionaires) to maintain our upward trajectory. You are lining up with a financial group which I suspect you do not belong – and, I suspect, will never belong. As one of their pawns you are shooting yourself in the foot.

George Mathis

October 3rd, 2013
9:16 am

The interstate system was not paid for with income taxes. It was constructed by private companies paid by the federal government with fuel tax money. I don’t see the need for government to coordinate interstate broadcasting … a private entity could do that just as well. Who prevents corruption? Haha … good one.

Trisha Doherty

October 3rd, 2013
9:18 am

i wonder who will feed, burp, and wipe USC-69 now that his keepers, the federal government, are shut down

Trisha Doherty

October 3rd, 2013
9:21 am

Absolutely nothing has changed in my life during the shutdown (I tend to live in a way that minimizes my interaction with government) and that proves we can keep it shut down..in fact, this proves those federal employees are, for the most part, dead weight who are not needed..

commoncents

October 3rd, 2013
9:21 am

If we are to listen to USC-69, people are incompetent and only the federal government can save us. Just keep in mind, us uneducated people are the same that we elect and re-elect to office every few years.

By the way, everything you whine about can be managed (or is already managed) at the state level. No federal gov’t necessary, except when the want to flex their muscles and shut it all down for no good reason.

I wonder what the cost difference of doing everything they did vs doing nothing would have been…

4Dabirds

October 3rd, 2013
9:32 am

We need the Fair Tax, and not the IRS. Taxes are the cost of civilization, but the money should taken fairly and used wisely.

http://www.fairtax.org

Get educated about it.

N-GA

October 3rd, 2013
9:41 am

You blew an opportunity for an informative article. Instead of an intelligent missive about FIT and why we have them, we get this tripe and try to link it to this administration. Why didn’t you report that under Eisenhower, the top FIT rate was 91% and it is only 39% today? You conservatives whine constantly about how business is more fiscally competent than government. Then your GOP enacted a tax cut that turned a surplus into a deficit. I suspect that you actually believe that President Obama personally made the decision to close the boat ramps on Lake Lanier. Reporter? No…Shill, more likely.

Danny

October 3rd, 2013
9:43 am

It just simply displays the American mentality – Entitlement, Ignorance and just selfishness.

I still pay taxes and they still receive that money, we do not get to decide how this money is really being spent. I am sorry these Politicians DO NOT represent the American people like they always say because most of these people I have not voted in office. Maybe we should really separate by parties and when one decide to do something only those should be affected by it.

chris

October 3rd, 2013
10:13 am

You have to remember as well Americans started paying income taxes in 1913 along with the creation of the Federal Reserve Banking Amendment that passed in 1913. Americans needed to pay interest to the federal reserve for money the gov’t would borrow from the Federal Reserve. That’s why we pay income taxes. Big banking scheme.

Ronin7

October 3rd, 2013
11:17 am

Most of these areas could remain open, the federal government simply wanted to make a point.

The fact is, you could eliminate MANY of these positions and the public would get along just fine without them. The longer they stay closed, maybe people will evaluate what positions are needed ones that can be eliminated……. ughhh,, never mind, we’re talking about the federal government, logic does not apply.

Gamma Girl

October 3rd, 2013
11:22 am

Well, yes, I would not want to be bored with any history or anything. That stuff is pretty pliable when it comes to Republicans.

The hidden agenda

October 3rd, 2013
11:24 am

George, the anti-Federal Reserve people MUST show up when you talk about income taxation. They are two peas in a pod. One is required to fund the other. The Federal Reserve is at the heart of every financial crisis we have had since 1913 and is specifically the mechanism by which the government is able to spend trillions more than it steals in taxation. If you are ignorant of just how horrible they are, look them up and find out. I would recommend the Ludwig von Mises Institute website. Tons of free books, articles, etc. by learned scholars who have studied all of this.

And the attitudes of folks like USC-69 are exactly what is keeping this country enslaved. They don’t read real history so they don’t realize that before 1900 nearly NOBODY in this country had any more interaction with the federal government than the US Postal Service.

Government is just people. Nothing more. People with guns who can force other people to do things they wouldn’t voluntarily pay for or do on their own. That is all that makes them special. UPS coordinates package deliveries across the nation and around the world all without the help of the US government. WalMart is bigger than many nations on earth. There is not a single thing that the federal government does that could not be done by private entities competing in a free market – including national defense (but that at least is in the Constitution). Highways, communications, air travel/security, mail delivery, education (most assuredly something the feds should have NO control over), drug safety, food safety, and everything they current “do.”

The big difference is that with a market based solution (and free and open competition – no sense trading one repressive monopoly for another), Americans would have choices including not supporting the service and allowing it to end. We have NO choices in a political solution. Those who profit from the system lobby for its continuance while those who pay for it get the shaft and no real representation.

Gamma Girl

October 3rd, 2013
11:26 am

N-GA…..you just bored them with a little history. They don’t like factual history. It’s boring and does not support their fantasies as well as made up history

The hidden agenda

October 3rd, 2013
11:29 am

Written on the side of the Internal Revenue Service building in Washington, DC, is the phrase “Taxes are what we pay for a civilized society.” These words have been used for decades to justify the forcible confiscation of wealth, but the sentiment behind the phrase is, of course, much older.

Far from producing civilization, the reality of taxation is something much different. Taxation makes society less efficient, less stable, and poorer, while providing the state with the ability to wage wars, imprison millions of citizens for petty non-violent offenses, and regulate every aspect of the taxpayers’ lives.

As Murray Rothbard pointed out, taxation is the worst method of looting us. Inflation, for example, is destructive, of course, and it might make a loaf of bread cost $10. But at least you get a loaf of bread. With taxation, you get nothing.

From Lew Rockwell of the web site of the same name. Worth checking out daily.

The hidden agenda

October 3rd, 2013
11:33 am

Given what an abject failure the federal government is at everything it does, and given how much money they spend that they don’t have, how much power they wield, how much they spy on us, how much of the economy their actions can destroy in a heartbeat, how much wealth they can confiscate, etc. why do we allow them to be this powerful or control this much of our lives and our economy?? Seriously? Neither major political party wants to really cut government power. Each just wants to shift it to do the bidding for the folks who contribute to their campaigns. Why isn’t the power in OUR hands and not theirs?

Trisha Doherty

October 3rd, 2013
11:36 am

What part of “Your needs, no matter how catastrophic for you personally, do not constitute a mortgage upon ME to provide for your upkeep..because basically you are unimportant to me” do the leftist scum just not get!

RangeRover

October 3rd, 2013
12:00 pm

Man who attempted to sign up claims he was threatened with drivers license being revoked, federal tax lien on home:

http://www.infowars.com/obamacare-fines-to-be-seized-from-bank-accounts

Lt Dan

October 3rd, 2013
12:05 pm

Hey ‘The hidden agenda’:

My reply to the IRS would be that it was commerce that created civilization.

Given that our tax code has over the years turned into a monstrous 50,000+ page code that requires teams of CPAs to research so as to best advise one how to lower their tax burden, it is time for it to be replaced with a simpler and just code.

My suggestion would be to move towards a flat tax system with no exemptions or credits of any kind. That way, as the flat tax is paid, there is no need for a tax return (which is really more of a taxes-paid reconciliation for the applicable tax code).

Some CPAs and tax attorneys might not like that, but there is still accounting and legal work for them to perform otherwise.

I like Herman Cain’s 9-9-9 plan: 9% flat tax on individual’s earned income, 9% flat tax or businesses, and a 9% national sales tax. Everyone pays the same rate which I believe is fair.

As dear leader has said,everyone should have some skin in the game.

Ben

October 3rd, 2013
12:13 pm

The fun part is when they shut down stuff that states run. You can’t tell me when they try to shut down a park that is majority state-funded and run that it’s not theater.

It’s just like any time there are required cuts. Make it as visible as possible, people dying on the streets of starvation. Firemen unable to fight fires, etc. Much better political play than increasing efficiency and changing the budget process so that government programs are no longer incentivized to spend every last penny of their budget.

USC-69

October 3rd, 2013
12:24 pm

I can see from the comments that we are surrounded by angry anti-tax secessionists, libertarians, and anarchists. These fixed opinions cannot be changed. So far, they remain in the tiny minority in the United States. Most of us pay generous income, property, state, and local taxes as agreed to by our elected representatives, and we understand the use of these resources. When we disagree, we lobby peacefully and sometimes make changes. I do not think it is possible to placate these haters and cheapskates who are happy to take the products we have provided but unwilling to support society’s progress. What is the solution for this angry minority? Some have formed the Tea Party. They have temporarily shut down the government and turned a blind eye to the many Americans being injured, even killed, by their selfishness. Were they exposed to proper education (”Everything I Need to Know I Learned in Kindergarten”)? Did they receive any philosophical training (Religious or otherwise)? Were they never given parental lessons in compassion and sympathy – learning to see life from another’s point of view? They appear to have remained in the primal state characteristic of all newborn mammals – survival of the fittest. I feel sorry for them and the empty, angry, defensive life they now must lead.

Lt Dan

October 3rd, 2013
12:25 pm

I think the lobbyists would hate a flat tax system the most as a lot of them are paid to obtain changes to the tax code to benefit their clients.

A large benefit of a flat tax system would that the government no longer has the ability to pick winners and losers. So to lose that power, I wonder if they would edge out the lobbyists in hatred of such a tax code.

That being said, I would suppose the current Federal government ’shut-down’ is really more about winning\losing power than what best serves the country let alone its citizens.

The Austrian Brotherhood

October 3rd, 2013
12:28 pm

To the government hammer, everything’s a nail. To the Progressive panty-waste-puzzy’s, everything’s a vacuum. Heil Wilson you nationalistic scumbags and then go to he!! ya war monger thieving psychopaths.

The Austrian Brotherhood

October 3rd, 2013
12:31 pm

USC-69, you aint provide sh-t you stupid weakling. go suck a politicians dikk a-hole. Then go die in their wars.

Trisha Doherty

October 3rd, 2013
12:48 pm

Survival of the fittest (natural selection) is not my invention, it is the very BASIS of biology, of the natural world. What arrogant little scum the leftists are to think they know better than mother nature. Compassion retards the species by artificially thwarting natures best attempts to kill the weak, stupid, and lazy, Then obama organizes said same weak, stupid, and lazy to vote democrat.

Fact checker

October 3rd, 2013
12:48 pm

Agreed that shutting down websites and setting up barriers to open-air monuments makes no sense. Also not making sense? The author’s assertions of what local taxes pay for. Any reporter who spent time at a city council or county commission meeting should have a grasp of how much federal money flows into local spending, for both big infrastructure like roads and sewers and ongoing services, like education and health care. Of the nearly $12 billion Georgia expects to receive from the feds in the state’s current budget, $2.1 billion is for education and $1.2 billion is for transportation. I’m sure there are plenty of reporters who have covered local government issues at 223 Perimeter Center Pkwy who can confirm this is true.

Trisha Doherty

October 3rd, 2013
12:54 pm

Fact checker you seem to come at it from a position that the federal government has a pot of money it doles out to state and local government, when in fact, it has NO MONEY until it steals(extracts if you prefer) that money from the state and local level, in a giant redistributive scheme…and I will gladly forgo all the federal funds for grady and education, in exchange to never have to pay for boston commuters to be able to drive under a damn river. At least the shoddy federal oversight that the left thinks is so necessary and antiseptic, led to a few deaths of people who’s accent can be labeled birth control (bahstonians)

The hidden agenda

October 3rd, 2013
1:12 pm

Sadly USC-69 thinks that everything flows from the good graces of government. He is a happy subject of the empire and feels that his life would end were there no paternalistic overlords above him directing his life and his future.

Those of us scum Anarchists (actually Anarco Capitalist for me – look it up) are not opposed to paying for the services or goods that we use. I happily pay for groceries at Kroger and am even happier that when Kroger does not have what I want I can go to Publix or Ingles or others. When I find no organic produce there, I can go to Whole Foods and get my needs met, etc. I embrace the diversity the free market has provided. I also appreciate that if a product is being sold that I do not wish to purchase, I do not have to, but have no right to steal it or otherwise obtain it without an exchange that is in agreement with the owner of the good/service. None of these stores requires the Federal Government to operate efficiently or needs to be told by anyone but their customers what products or services are desired. This is the magic of the “invisible hand” of the market. A great read is “I Pencil” by Leonard Read (or Reed, I forget).

I do not desire to do without roads, education, food safety, drug safety, etc. I would just prefer that competitive companies operating in the marketplace and exchanging money for goods/services through a voluntary mechanism do the job rather than the government. Most roads used to be privately built and operated and I there are plenty of great books detailing the options for returning to that situation).

Morals and compassion are always brought up. If it is immoral to steal from another person, why is it moral for the government to do it? If there is a law that specifically enumerates what the Congress shall be allowed to do, why is it not immoral or illegal when the Congress oversteps those bounds and does hundreds of thousands of other things that are clearly NOT allowed by the document they swore an oath to uphold? Why is it moral for one group of people to lock up someone and take away their liberties and freedom because they chose to drink raw milk, or smoke a plant that grows naturally and has for thousands of years?

Why is it compassionate to steal from some in society to give to others who are needy, but not compassionate to advocate and push for only voluntary contributions from those who can afford or wish to freely donate to assist others? I know the morals I was raised with and I was taught that stealing is wrong. Maybe my version of the 10 commandments was the only one that said that? I never remember Jesus taking from others to help the poor, but I do remember him giving freely of himself (and performing miracles that also did not take away anything from anyone else).

I fully understand the concept of empathy (that was likely the word he/she was looking for). I also understand that since the onset of the so-called “War on Poverty” and the “Great Society” programs of the Johnson administration, poverty has increased, welfare recipients have increased, out-of-wedlock births have increased, single parent families have increased, educational achievement has decreased, and overall, everything the government set out to fix it has made far worse. This is not about being a hater, this is about statistics and facts.

I believe in the non-aggression principle. The highest moral principle. I believe that people are endowed with natural rights by virtue of their very existence. They should be allowed to live their lives, dispose of their lives, their property, and their bodies as THEY see fit and that nobody has a right, under any circumstances, to alter that unless they are violating the same rights of another.

The Declaration of Independence states that governments are created among men to protect our natural unalienable rights and that when a government stops serving that purpose the citizens are entitled to change or abolish that government – and that is their right too.

The political process no longer allows for change and also no longer allows for the rule of law. American citizens have a right to be upset at this situation.

The hidden agenda

October 3rd, 2013
1:19 pm

Trishia – outstanding point. The money the feds send to local government is first stolen from us locals, then sent to Washington where they skim off a bunch to pay for bureaucrats to “manage” the money and then sent back here. Why not just cut out the middle man, get rid of that portion of the federal government that is stealing the money and wasting the money and just let the local come to us for the funds? Of course I would prefer private companies to compete at the local level and provide those services too, but local is still more representative than federal. And frankly I have noticed that local governments tend to be extremely irresponsible with how these “federal” dollars are spent, simply because they treat them as other people’s money as opposed to money that was stolen from us here first. Forcing it back on the locals would do two things – first, it would make local govt. more accountable, and it would also inspire more voluntarism and alternative funding mechanisms to achieve these goals. That would be a win-win for everyone.

Bottom line, why is the Federal Government not only dangling the strings of funding, but ultimately pulling the strings of local government? Because they can, that’s why. They ultimately want to control everything that goes on nationally. That is exactly the opposite of the intentions of our founding fathers.

George Mathis

October 3rd, 2013
1:26 pm

Fact Checker — Federal funds stem from local sources. The fuel tax is paid at local gas pumps, sent to the feds and then sent back to Georgia. Taxes likes that have nothing to do with federal income taxes, which is what this blog entry is about. Education is funded largely by county level property taxes, not federal income taxes. Those are facts. Go check them.

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