Dad defends gun rights after child fatally shot

There are people that love children and people that love guns.

Some people love both, and will admit as much even in the throes of tragedy.

A 3-year-old Michigan boy, Damon Holbrook, died from a gunshot wound Sunday after finding a loaded gun in a bedroom closet.

Family friend Joshua Michael Greenhill, who lived with the Holbrooks, is charged with Careless Discharge of a Firearm, punishable by up to two years in prison. Police said more serious charges are likely forthcoming. The Detroit News reports Greenhill was released on a $1,000 bond.

A man believed to be Damon’s father, Brian Holbrook, posted a message on Facebook Monday affirming his belief in the right to bear arms.

“I will still support the Second Amendment,” wrote Holbrook. “All I ask is that everyone please, please safety first lock it up and put it out of reach of anyone that has no business being around a gun especially kids.”

“Gun safety people! My boy would still be here if it was put away like it should have been.”

In a perfect world, we probably wouldn’t want or need guns. In an imperfect world, we hope people learn from tragedy.

Here are a few more stories I found on the web this afternoon:

44 comments Add your comment

Me

August 20th, 2013
11:26 am

The libs have not arrived in here yet? Slow today.

Anthony Weiner

August 20th, 2013
11:34 am

I’m looking for some ladies…post your email address and I ‘ll send you some photos of me.

USC-69

August 20th, 2013
11:42 am

What’s liberal about gun safety?

Tammy Downs

August 20th, 2013
11:43 am

look no futhah Anthony;downstammy@ymail.com

Tammy Downs

August 20th, 2013
11:43 am

it’s his opinion USC-69

Jenna

August 20th, 2013
11:47 am

What does it take for some people to realize that guns kill more innocent people than criminals? Even losing his son in a preventable and senseless act doesn’t move this man from his take on this subject. Unbelievable!

Jeff

August 20th, 2013
11:55 am

Jenna, what does it take for some people to realize their comments are stupid, i.e. “guns kill more innocent people than criminals?” There has never been an instance in the history of man when a gun decides to up and kill of its own accord. It is an inanimate object and cannot do anything on its own. You could substitute “gun” with “swizzle stick” and your comment would make as much sense.

mike

August 20th, 2013
12:09 pm

Yes just blame it on the liberals. You know those folks who are trying to take my guns away. It does not matter this child died because of some idiot did not secure his gun.

Roekest

August 20th, 2013
12:11 pm

Award to Jenna for Most Naive Comment of the Day.

HUZZAH!!!!

Bleeding Heart Lib

August 20th, 2013
12:11 pm

I’m here. What do you want to know? From the gun rights crowd it’s just collateral damage. You just got to man up and accept it.

John

August 20th, 2013
12:12 pm

Right on Jeff!

Jenna – This world is a crazy place. Let me ask you a question. If some violent criminal is breaking down your door and will kill you as soon as he enters, What are you going to do? Do you not believe in protecting yourself or your family? Wake the hell up. You are Unbelievable!

JR

August 20th, 2013
12:27 pm

Jenna, sorry but that’s one of the most ignorant statements I’ve ever read. Guns kill more innocent people than criminals? You say that as though guns are independent entities that just rise up on their own and kill people. Apparently you fail to realize that whenever a gun is fired, there is a person responsible for it.

Guns are inanimate objects. They don’t kill people. Sometimes murderers use guns as their tool of choice to kill people. Or sometimes a person accidently kills someone by misusing a gun. But ultimately, it’s the person doing the killing. The gun can’t act on its own. And the absence of a gun will not keep people from doing stupid or malicious things that lead to a human death.

KLR

August 20th, 2013
12:32 pm

This isn’t about gun rights, it’s about basic safety. gun, locked in a safe with a trigger lock. How hard can that be..geez

Marco

August 20th, 2013
12:36 pm

Yeah, let me shoot him with the gun and see if he stills feel the same way.

bob

August 20th, 2013
12:51 pm

Bleeding Heart Lib

August 20th, 2013
12:11 pm

“I’m here. What do you want to know? From the gun rights crowd it’s just collateral damage. You just got to man up and accept it.”

Is that how leftists feel about taking over education in America, those students that spend 12 years in a leftist run school that graduate without being able to read are just collateral damage ?

BK37

August 20th, 2013
12:52 pm

I don’t have a problem with this guy. He freely admits that he should have been more careful in securing his gun. He’s not going on some insane rant or anything like that. My prayers go out to his family.

Ben

August 20th, 2013
1:09 pm

This isn’t about gun rights, it’s about simply responsibility. You don’t leave a loaded gun out where a child can get to it any more than you leave a big sharp knife. Yet gun critics can’t comprehend this obvious point. The gun didn’t do it, the person who left a loaded gun laying around where a kid could get to it is at fault here.

Please, gun critics, show us that you have even a modicum of brain power and understand that what really happened here isn’t about guns, it’s about responsibility.

Native Atlantan

August 20th, 2013
1:21 pm

As a liberal, I support this mans 2nd Amendment right to posses a gun. He admits he wasn’t as careful with it as he should have been. He’ll have to live with that the rest of his life. It really is about safety and knowledge.

trailerparkted

August 20th, 2013
1:27 pm

Funny thing is, I’ve never heard a single “LIBERAL” politician say they wanted guns banned. Am I missing something? I’ve heard the cry for more strict policies toward fully automatic assault weapons, but nothing about taking away anyones 2nd amendment right to bear arms!

Rich Black

August 20th, 2013
1:47 pm

What a tool.

ad

August 20th, 2013
1:52 pm

Lady walks into an ice cream store in Memphis and throws her purse up on the counter. Her gun goes off and kills a young high school coach. Dad takes his kid to a gun show and lets him fire a machine gun. Gun recoils (apparently, a surprise to all the gun nuts) and kid winds up killing himself. Kid finds a gun in a closet and shoots himself or another kid. This happens all the time. I’m ok with responsible people owning guns, but, clearly, there are too many gun owners who don’t have a clue. Killing someone because you’re sloppy is sort of a hard mistake to reverse.

Mike

August 20th, 2013
1:59 pm

In the midst of this terrible tragedy, this guy didn’t express sorrow over his son’s death or natural anger towards the person who left his gun unattended. No, he felt the urgent need to reassure everyone that he still believes in the 2nd Amendment. Such a loss of perspective is indicative of a sick mind. Then again, most Americans are sick in the head.

Lt Dan

August 20th, 2013
2:00 pm

Regarding “more strict policies toward fully automatic assault weapons” … your terminology is flawed. I served in the military and was trained to use a variety of weapons (M16A1, M16A2, M4 series, M21 sniper system, M60 MG, M249 SAW, M203 grenade launcher, M1911A1 and M9 pistols, as well as the M72 LAW, the M47 Dragon, and the TOW series of anti-armor weapons), but I was never introduced or trained on an “assault weapon”. The term assault weapon is in fact a media concoction of words so as to implement an agenda to disarm American citizens.

By the way, no person may legally purchase an automatic weapon without first obtaining the proper license from our government. It is a very expensive and drawn out process to obtain one.

Also, Obama has gone on the record as stating that US citizens should not own personal firearms, that they have no “need to own guns”. That statement was made prior to his 2008 election. He and other politicians may have not gone on the record stating that all guns should be banned (with the exception of the “assault weapons” – weapons they have selected for whatever their reason to ban), but they do in fact have an agenda to make it as difficult to legally obtain and maintain personal firearms.

Obama and his ilk are politicians and will do or say whatever it takes to pursue their agenda to obtain and maintain power to include the disarming of American citizens as a part of their maintaining power.

Well, I feel better getting that out. I think I’ll go by Bass Pro Shop tonight and buy more powder so I can re-load more ammo (which is how I get around the scarcity of ammo on the shelves).

Lt Dan

August 20th, 2013
2:19 pm

To ad – all firearms will recoil (or kick) when fired.

It sounds like the weapon in question was either improperly assembled or maintained to have such a catastrophic blow-back incident.

Accidents happen, but it would seem this one should have been preventable.

Lt Dan

August 20th, 2013
2:24 pm

I think Libs have the misplaced priorities – millions of unborn children have died due to abortions, thousands of people die each year in car accidents, what’s a few hundred gun deaths?

In 2010, more people were murdered by use of hammers than by rifles. Anyone can go to a hardware store and buy a hammer with no background check – go figure.

Mike

August 20th, 2013
2:41 pm

Lt Dan doesn’t know what he’s talking about. There is no “license” required to own an automatic weapon. All you have to do is go through a federal background check and purchase a government stamp. No doubt Lt Dan gets his information about firearms regulations from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh.

As to the notion of an “assault weapon,” it’s clear that what people really mean when they use that term is a semi-automatic rifle with a high capacity detachable magazine. Rifles of that sort – as well as high capacity semi-automatic handguns – were relatively uncommon in the U.S. until the Reagan era, and not surprisingly, mass shootings in the U.S. were also incredibly rare. In fact, from the 40s until the 70s, there were only two or three mass shootings total in the U.S., the most notable of which was the Texas Tower incident. Contrast this with the 90s, when there were dozens of mass shootings in the U.S.

ScubaSteve

August 20th, 2013
3:17 pm

Actually Mike, Lt. Dan is the one who is correct. It’s called a class 3 license and it takes an extensive background check and a lot of money to optain. Not just anyone can go out and buy a fully automatic weapon. Also, mass shootings have nothing to do with the guns available, one gun is able to kill just like any other, it is where we are at as a society and where our morals are, so your argument is moot.

class80olddog

August 20th, 2013
3:37 pm

“In 2010, more people were murdered by use of hammers than by rifles. ”

Nice subterfuge. How many were killed by HANDGUNS? How many by shotguns? How many by TEC-9s?

class80olddog

August 20th, 2013
3:39 pm

“Anyone can go to a hardware store and buy a hammer with no background check”

I challenge you to a duel, Lt. Dan – you bring a hammer and I bring an AK-47. They are equal, right? I remember the headlines from last year – “27 school children killed in a drive-by HAMMER attack”.

class80olddog

August 20th, 2013
3:41 pm

“Guns don’t kill people”

That is correct. But guns make it EASIER for deranged or evil people to kill MORE people. I realize I could kill several people with my car, but I have to have a LICENSE to drive it.

Progressive Humanist

August 20th, 2013
3:44 pm

I’m not sure about the issue of background checks for automatic weapons, but it appears that Lt Dan is wrong on a few other issues. He suggested there are “a few hundred gun deaths” per year. Actually, from looking at the statistics, it appears that there are about 30,000 gun deaths in the U.S. each year, give or take a couple thousand, depending on the year. That’s a far, far cry from a few hundred.

He also said that more people were killed by hammers than with guns in 2010. I call total bs on that. There were 31,672 gun deaths in 2010. He’s going to have to produce some statistics that show there were at least 31,673 hammer deaths in the U.S. that year. It’s not going to happen. Considering he used that fictional stat to bolster his case against gun control, it invalidates his whole argument. Where do people get these foolish ideas?

Progressive Humanist

August 20th, 2013
3:52 pm

To those criticizing Jenna for her statement, she is absolutely right that “guns kill more innocent people than criminals”. It is far more likely, statistically, if someone has a gun in their household, that the gun will be used to kill someone in that household via accident, suicide, or murder, than for it to be used to kill a criminal. The fact that you attacked her for that statement shows your ignorance. What idiots.

Lt Dan

August 20th, 2013
4:13 pm

class80olddog

Challenge accepted with one proviso: I would rather bring one of my tomahawks.

Would that be acceptable?

Hammer or tomahawk, I would own you.

Question: if I replaced the handle of a hammer with a pistol-grip, would that make it an assault hammer?

Lt Dan

August 20th, 2013
4:18 pm

Progressive Humanist – I made no such statment that there were only a few hundred gun deaths, but compared to the millions killed by abortion and thousands killed in car accidents, what is a few hundred gun deaths. As in you don’t seem to care about the other hundreds of thousands who die by other means, then why would you care about those who die by guns.

Sheesh, the public school system needs to work on reading comprehension.

Lt Dan

August 20th, 2013
4:24 pm

Well, it’s been fun.

Gotta go to the work-shop, put on some Eagles, and load up 250 rounds 45 Colt before I call it a night.

Remember folks: gun control is being able to hit your target.

Bumper

August 20th, 2013
5:01 pm

You have to be a complete mouth breathing dumba** to leave a loaded firearm within reach of a child. That’s just gun safety 101. Idiots like Greenhill and Holbrook give all gun owners a bad name.

Progressive Humanist

August 20th, 2013
5:42 pm

Lt Dan- You did make that statement and I quoted your own words. And you just did it again. You said “what is a few hundred gun deaths?” It’s not a few hundred; it’s 30,000 per year or 300,000 over the last decade. To compare gun deaths to those other causes is disingenuous. You might as well compare gun deaths to cancer deaths or military deaths. None of those have anything to do with the others. Each is a separate issue. While the military may have prepared you to spew propaganda (which is unlikely considering your lowly rank), it probably should have trained you a little better in math and logic. And you don’t need to be so afraid of the world that you need to have a gun to protect you every minute. Can’t you handle a situation by yourself without metal to hide behind?

Mike

August 20th, 2013
8:48 pm

Actually, ScubaSteve, you are wrong also. A class 3 license is necessary only in order to SELL automatic weapons. Such a license is not necessary simply in order to PURCHASE or OWN an automatic weapon. Again, the only legal requirements for ownership of such weapons in the U.S. are submitting oneself to a federal background check and purchasing a $200 government stamp. There are restrictions on carrying automatic weapons across state lines, and the transfer of ownership does have to be approved by local law enforcement officials. I doubt, however, that any law enforcement official in pro-gun Georgia would deny the transfer of ownership.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Firearms_Act

Uncle Mike

August 21st, 2013
5:43 am

Jimmy

August 21st, 2013
5:51 am

I don’t know any “libs” who want to take away anyone’s guns. I do know some who want to make sure people who can buy them aren’t fresh out of prison for some violent crime. Guns are fine. I grew up in a house full of them and I never once got shot or shot anyone accidentally. My dad also wasn’t a convicted felon so that helped.

Sounds like the folks who are against background checks are afraid once they start doing them that someone will find out they probably shouldn’t be owning any firearms to begin with. But they could just buy them off Craigslist anyway, so it doesn’t really matter. Maybe they’ll give out free Confederate flags with each AK-47 purchase. MORE GUNS!

Scrivener

August 21st, 2013
6:25 am

From Wikipedia, gun death stats:
Accidental discharge 851
Suicide 19,766
Homicide 11,101
Undetermined Intent 222

So it seems people like Mr. Progressive Humanist want to deceive people with his figures without letting us all know that suicides make up two-thirds of his 30,000 number. Guess those people wouldn’t have come up with another way to achieve their goal, huh.

Marsh

August 21st, 2013
7:20 am

Know what causes global warming? All the mouth-breathers in the state of Georgia.

Thank you, thank you! No applause, please.

Progressive Humanist

August 21st, 2013
7:39 am

Ah, Scrivener, not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? I’ll explain this for you in simple terms so that you might be able to understand it. There were two points being argued:

1) Lt Dan claimed twice that there were a few hundred gun deaths per year, which is obviously a lie based on any measure.
2) “It is far more likely, statistically, if someone has a gun in their household, that the gun will be used to kill someone in that household via accident, suicide, or murder, than for it to be used to kill a criminal.”- my quote from 8/20 @ 3:52

So Lt Dan’s claims were clearly a lie fabricated to support her own political point of view.

And I had no reason to exclude suicides from the number of gun deaths I quoted (suicides are actually gun deaths, genius) because that supports the larger point originally made by Jenna at 11:47- that it’s far more likely that a household member is killed by a gun than it is for a criminal to be killed by one. Do you understand now?

pj

August 21st, 2013
1:56 pm

so libs are to blame for that child being dead? right…