Should college students have guns at college?

I was talking with my college class about the University of Central Florida former student who had guns in his dorm room and was allegedly planning a mass attack before his roommate called the police.  (The student with the guns ended up killing himself.)

The students offered up that some of them had guns in their apartments at school. (I don’t think you’re allowed to have guns in the dorms but an apartment would be off campus so I guess allowed.)

I mentioned this to my brother later and he said he knew lots of people in college that had guns – several who kept the guns at their fraternity house.

My husband said the same thing. He said he dated a girl who kept a gun in her glove compartment and knew many people at University of Georgia with guns in their apartments or houses.

This is really surprising to me. I just had no idea. Did my friends have guns, and I was just oblivious?

No matter how you feel about gun ownership, the idea of young men and women having guns in an environment where there is often drinking and often bad decision making really worries me.

What do you guys think? Did you take guns with you to college? Was it only in off-campus housing or did you bring them on campus? Was it ever a safety issue?

Did you let your college student take guns away to school with them? What was the thought process? How do they keep it at school – in a lock box? Who has the code? Do all the roommates know or is it a secret? Does it worry the roommates to have it or do they feel safer having it?

Would you want your daughter dating a boy with a gun at school? Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Or vice versa?

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jarvis

March 21st, 2013
11:53 am

I’m a firm believer in the right to bear arms, but I think alcohol, testosterone and firearms are a BAD combination.

Common sense needs to prevail, and young people don’t always use it. My son will be educated on safe gun usage when he’s older…..even at that, I will not allow him to take one away to college with him. Too much risk. In that setting, I believe the risk of having one greatly outweighs the risk of not having one.

Mayhem

March 21st, 2013
12:29 pm

For my oldest yes. For my youngest No. For the middle girl, probably.

My youngest, oh hell no. I worry about her all the time. I just don’t think she thinks for herself, know what I mean? With her being the baby with two older siblings, she’s always been taken care of. She didn’t even leave the nest to go to college. Both the older ones did.

jmb

March 21st, 2013
12:40 pm

Mayhem – I have a younger one like that also. I often see topics on here that I don’t comment on since they apply to one child but not the other. Our children can be complete opposites although raised with the same parents in the same environment and raised with the same morals. My oldest daughter (21) is in the army & married. She starting working at 16, graduated and became a respectable member of society. My youngest daughter (18) has been the nightmare that all parents fear. Got pregnant at 17, not married and never worked a day in her life. Totally dependent on family for any and everything she wants and needs to survive and searching for something to start drama for everyone. I shake my head often and wonder where and when I went wrong but I can’t think of a single thing that was different than with her older siblings. They were only 2 yrs. apart and best friends growing up yet now they can’t stand each other and have nothing in common. It just amazes me at times but I guess individuality speaks loudly at times.

thekimmer

March 21st, 2013
12:54 pm

Well according to your informal survey their is already a lot of firearms on college campuses and I don’t recall hearing about an associated epidemic of alcohol fueled gun play. When I attended a major university several decades ago it was common for hunters to store hunting rifles & shotguns in their vehicles and dorm rooms. There is actually a picture in in the yearbook taken in front of a dorm in the middle of the campus of several students dressed in hunting clothes standing around with their rifles. One of them is holding it to his shoulder siting with it. Nobody thought a thing about it back then.

You express all this concern about alcohol and young adults & what not but it seems to me that is not the problem. The problem is psychopaths, like this 30 year old at UCF, that have nothing to do with drinking or any other normal behavior. Restricting firearms from normal, law abiding people of any age is not going to help anything.

q

March 21st, 2013
12:58 pm

Only for GT since the city refuses to stop the open season on their students by the feral animals that surround the campus.

Van Jones

March 21st, 2013
12:58 pm

There will always be people who feel they have the right to tell others what or what not to do.

Progress

March 21st, 2013
1:04 pm

Absolutely not. The frontal lobe of the brain, where judgment and forethought take place, doesn’t fully mature until the person reaches their mid-twenties. While college students are a bit more rational than high school students, they are still more prone to irrational behavior than older adults- they get in more fights, incidents of stalking are more prevalent at that age, depression is more common, relationships are more volatile, they are more likely to be involved with drugs and alcohol, etc. As a college professor I do not want students carrying firearms into common buildings, classrooms, my office, or anywhere else on campus. There’s no need for it, and it will open the door for more serious problems.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
1:11 pm

“As a college professor I do not want students carrying firearms into common buildings, classrooms, my office, or anywhere else on campus. There’s no need for it, and it will open the door for more serious problems.”

Then don’t complain when some deranged college student comes in and shoots up a campus.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
1:13 pm

“The frontal lobe of the brain, where judgment and forethought take place, doesn’t fully mature until the person reaches their mid-twenties. ”

You are not a licensed doctor and do not have a license to practice medicine.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
1:15 pm

“What do you guys think? Did you take guns with you to college? Was it only in off-campus housing or did you bring them on campus? Was it ever a safety issue?

People over the age of 18 have the right to protect themselves. The only folks who cry about it are bed wetting libs.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
1:16 pm

Theresa

This is the third straight gun column you’ve posted. It’s obvious that you don’t like guns.

Bottom line: If you don’t like guns, don’t buy one.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
1:17 pm

“The problem is psychopaths”

Left wingers don’t like talking about that part. They’d rather talk about taking guns away from law abiding citizens.

(the other) Rodney

March 21st, 2013
1:18 pm

For the record, I own a registered handgun that doesn’t leave my house.

Now to answer the topic with my opinion: No. No, no, no. They should not have guns at college. Not on campus. If renting an apartment, nothing you can do about that.

Progress

March 21st, 2013
1:22 pm

@Decatur Guy @ 1:13- But I do have a PhD in psychology. What are your qualifications besides being another uneducated hick with an opinion and nothing to back it up?

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
1:25 pm

” But I do have a PhD in psychology. ”

Ok, so you’re a fake doctor. Big deal.

” What are your qualifications besides being another uneducated hick with an opinion and nothing to back it up?”

Hey troglodyte, I have a masters degree but I don’t go around pretending to be a doctor. Your “hick” line is lame. Try again.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
1:26 pm

Progress

BTW, a PhD in psychology means NOTHING in the medical world. In college, people used to make fun of other kids who majored in psychology because we all knew they’d end up working at McDonalds.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
1:29 pm

Van Jones

March 21st, 2013
1:33 pm

@(the other) Rodney. Just curious, who/where/how did you “register” you handgun?

Progress

March 21st, 2013
1:36 pm

Decatur Guy- With every post you show your ignorance. I never claimed to be a medical doctor, which would be an “M.D”. Having a PhD in psychology from an RUVH research university makes me a doctor of psychology, literally. And as a college professor I quite clearly do not work at McDonalds.

Holding a masters degree these days is not very impressive. Any hick like yourself can purchase a masters degree online any day of the week. I would hope you don’t represent yourself as a doctor, as that would be fraudulent. Your posts reveal your lack of education.

But getting back to the topic at hand, you simply don’t know enough about what you’re trying to talk about. You’re just another spineless redneck trying to act tough by advocating for guns to protect yourself from an imaginary enemy that will never appear, but you’re scared $#!*less of that imaginary foe nonetheless.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
1:45 pm

” I never claimed to be a medical doctor,”

No, you just act like one.

“Holding a masters degree these days is not very impressive.”

It is if you want a good job.

“Any hick like yourself”

Little child, you don’t know anything about me. I love it when internet trolls pretend they know something about people they’ve never seen nor met.

“Having a PhD in psychology”

You wasted a lot of money.

“You’re just another spineless redneck trying to act tough by advocating for guns to protect yourself from an imaginary enemy that will never appear, but you’re scared $#!*less of that imaginary foe nonetheless.”

No, I’m an informed person who knows that the US CONSTITUTION gives ANY law abiding citizen the right to own a gun.

GFY.

Dad2Alex&Max

March 21st, 2013
1:57 pm

Back when I started banging the old lady in college, I used to keep a .45 handy to get her in the mood. What can I say? Some chicks just like bein’ skeered.

Momcat

March 21st, 2013
1:57 pm

Q. I couldn’t agree with you more. My child is a prime candidate for Ga Tech and all I say is “no way”.

Ace

March 21st, 2013
1:59 pm

Guns best place is in the owner’s home or in a field hunting, the only people who need guns in public are crooks and cops.

Progress

March 21st, 2013
2:00 pm

DG- No, everyone and their cousin bought a masters degree over the last two decades, just like yourself. It makes absolutely no difference in the job market. You want to see a company fail? Put a CEO with an MBA in charge of it, and failure is guaranteed. So I’m not impressed with your fake masters.

You may have been able to make the claim that I wasted money on my degree if I didn’t have the position I do, and instead I was the manager at the Dairy Queen like yourself. But I’m actually doing very well for myself and I have very little debt beyond the two houses I own. My lifetime earnings will be substantially increased due to the degree.

Please don’t pretend you know anything about history or the law. The constitution does not give anyone the right to carry a firearm anywhere they want. That’s just stupid. College students can certainly own guns and many of them do. They just can’t bring them on campus, just like people can’t carry guns into a jail or a government building. That’s perfectly reasonable. Hicks like yourself have no say in the matter of what goes on on college campuses, nor should you. You’re not qualified; you’re just scared.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
2:03 pm

Progress

I highly doubt you have a degree in any field and there is no way for you to prove it. To me, you’re nothing but a mindless internet troll looking for attention because your boyfriend left you. It truly must suck to be you because I don’t know anyone else who would come on a blog, pretend to be smarter than other people and then completely put your entire foot in your mouth.

Now, GFY little internet troll.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
2:05 pm

” The constitution does not give anyone the right to carry a firearm anywhere they want.

Ok, this statement proves how stupid you really are. You are obviously illiterate because I never said that.

“Hicks like yourself have no say in the matter of what goes on on college campuses, nor should you. You’re not qualified; you’re just scared.

Trailer trash, go sell stupid somewhere else.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
2:06 pm

“No, everyone and their cousin bought a masters degree over the last two decades, just like yourself.

But not from Northwestern, you sad little internet troll.

Mayhem

March 21st, 2013
2:13 pm

Alright you two KNOCK IT OFF….Don’t make me pull this car over!!!

Progress

March 21st, 2013
2:14 pm

DG- I certainly don’t have to prove anything to a knuckle dragger like you. Do I care whether you believe that I have a PhD and a high paying job at a university? Not in the least. It’s clear that you’re a buffoon. Nothing you’ve written here has added to the conversation at all; it’s just more stupidity from another right wing redneck. I do enjoy taunting ignorant fools such as yourself, and the fact that you can’t articulate support for your position makes it more entertaining. Now I need to go wash my hands after having smacked around one of the dregs of society.

justmy2cents

March 21st, 2013
2:15 pm

I would let my daughters take a gun to college, provided they had a biometric gun box/safe to store it in while in their room. My husband and I both have our concealed carry permits, so if you see us out and about, assume one or both of us are carrying. It has been going on for years on college campuses, so I think the fear of drug/alcohol/testosterone gun incidents would have already been realized if it were going to happen. Agree GA Tech kids need a fighting chance!!! I wouldn’t mind my daughters dating a man who carried a weapon; heck if I like him well enough, I may buy them matching ones. :)

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
2:17 pm

“I certainly don’t have to prove anything to a knuckle dragger like you.”

Because you can’t because you are a lying internet troll.

“Do I care whether you believe that I have a PhD and a high paying job at a university?”

Yes, because you consistently talk about it.

” it’s just more stupidity from another right wing redneck. I do enjoy taunting ignorant fools such as yourself, and the fact that you can’t articulate support for your position makes it more entertaining.

This is how I know you’re lying. A real professor would not come on an AJC blog and act like a total moron. You are a liar, a moron and a sad little internet troll.

Get back to your pizza delivery car, troll.

Warrior Woman

March 21st, 2013
2:23 pm

Yes, I took guns to campus as a student (both on- and off-campus housing). My college age children have guns in their off-campus housing, and the ones that are old enough have carry permits. The guns are appropriately secured, and no one but family members has access.

Whether the person they are dating has a gun is a completely irrelevant question.

There is no legitimate reason to restrict college students’ access to guns. Adults do not lose their constitutional rights just because they are college students.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
2:25 pm

“the fact that you can’t articulate support for your position makes it more entertaining. ”

You make pond scum look smart, troll. That comment makes absolutely no sense. I already stated the the US Constitution gives us the right to own guns. The fact that you don’t know that shows me just how stupid you really are.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
2:27 pm

“They just can’t bring them on campus”

Wanna bet, troll? Students have been bringing them on campus for decades and there is nothing you can do about it.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
2:28 pm

“There is no legitimate reason to restrict college students’ access to guns. Adults do not lose their constitutional rights just because they are college students.”

Absolutely. Losers like “progress” are in denial about losing the gun argument. Trolls like “progress” can’t explain why deranged people shoot other people so they have to go and blame guns.

Don't Tread

March 21st, 2013
2:42 pm

“There is no legitimate reason to restrict college students’ access to guns. Adults do not lose their constitutional rights just because they are college students.”

I’ll “third” that motion…

If a college student (or anyone else, for that matter) shoots and kills a criminal, they should be rewarded for taking out the trash (and saving the taxpayers a lot of money in the process). Seems these days the VICTIM is treated like a criminal when they successfully defend themselves from the criminal.

Evelyn

March 21st, 2013
2:53 pm

Ask psychologists. The answer is obvious.

dd

March 21st, 2013
3:13 pm

Decatur Guy, you’re very annoying to say the least. You start crap on here with someone everyday and reading the copied comments with replies is at best a childish ignorant act on your part. You never say anything pertinent to the topic, you only throw childish insults out there. And Progress… you’re responding to his ignorant comments doesn’t say much for your degree or intelligence either. Both of you are acting like a couple of 4th grade boys so why not knock it off and try to regain some dignity on this blog?

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
3:18 pm

“You start crap on here with someone everyday and reading the copied comments with replies is at best a childish ignorant act on your part. ”

Please show me one post where I “started crap” with someone. If you go back and look at my first few posts, I simply pointed out progress lies about being a doctor. Progress then called me a hick and it went on from there.

What’s funny is how hypocritical you are. You state that I come in, start crap with someone and then you start name calling.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
3:19 pm

“you’re responding to his ignorant comments”

Please post one ignorant comment from any of my postings, ma’am. You sound exactly like Progress. Shooting your mouth off and not being able to back it up.

Decatur Guy

March 21st, 2013
3:20 pm

“You never say anything pertinent to the topic”

Ok, so you’re a liar as well.

Jeff

March 21st, 2013
3:22 pm

When I went to GSU, I had a concealed permit and carried mine into the classroom in my bookbag. Of course, I also took night classes and had to leave class and walk to the big parking deck in the dark next to Grady. So I was willing to take the remote chance of getting in trouble back then over the remote chance of being forced to defend myself without being able to defend myself.

And, SHOCKER, nothing ever happened, the world didn’t end, and they lived happily ever after.

Jeff

March 21st, 2013
3:23 pm

But I’m with Jarvis’ early opinion. Well stated.

Ace

March 21st, 2013
4:04 pm

Anyone who totes a gun in public is scared of something.

(the other) Rodney

March 21st, 2013
4:26 pm

Hey Van Jones – Michigan. Where it’s the law. Forgive me if I didn’t “de-register” it when I moved back to Georgia.

I dropped my fried twinkie

March 21st, 2013
6:10 pm

Progress
March 21st, 2013
1:04 pm

Absolutely not. The frontal lobe of the brain, where judgment and forethought take place, doesn’t fully mature until the person reaches their mid-twenties.
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Drinking then needs to be moved to 24. Voting 24. Smoking 24. Enlisting 24. Driving 24. Everything that requires good judgment and forethought should be delayed until the brain is fully developed so that will fix all the problems.

Realist

March 21st, 2013
8:56 pm

Does an individual have an inherent right to defend his life against another? YES.

The answer is YES no matter where they are or who they are.

Government does not “bestow” rights. Governments either protect unalienable rights or they take them away. PERIOD.

FarTrain

March 21st, 2013
9:22 pm

The hypocrisy is so rampant it simply baffles me. It’s like sitting in a doctor’s office with a gorilla and a squirrel, and everyone is staring at the squirrel because they are afraid of him. You all, including the writer, should be worried about what is actually killing college students right and left in more ways than one. That, of course would be the drug known as ALCOHOL, which gets a free pass, for some reason, in all aspects of life. Amazing, simply amazing to me!

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gtmom

March 22nd, 2013
5:45 am

When I was attending GA Tech back in the 90s, I lived in an apartment on campus that also housed student athletes. It was well known that these Athletes kept guns. One night while “cleaning” his gun, his gun went off and shot a student upstairs. There is a lot of partying on campuses and I like how Johnny Cash sung it, “Don’t Take Your Guns to Town.” A song about a mother who knew how hot headed her son could be. Partying and guns don’t mix.