Is a Confederate soldier costume out of bounds?

I was clicking through Facebook last night looking at all the different Halloween costumes and couldn’t help but pause on the little boy dressed in a Confederate solider costume carrying a very large Confederate flag.

I’m not sure why I paused. I love history and that’s an historical outfit but I just wasn’t sure it was OK.  Grown men do Civil War re-enactments all the time and that seems OK. But is a Georgia Reb costume out there without the other side somehow offensive or insensitive?

We know from Prince Harry that Nazi soldier costumes are not OK. I am thinking that a KKK costume would definitely NOT be OK. So what historical costumes are off the table? What can you definitely NOT wear and are Confederate soldier costumes in that realm?

Quick aside: I would like to add that my favorite costume was my cousin’s husband and their baby. Hubby dressed as a giant gorilla and the baby was dressed like his banana!  So cute!

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sparta_bubba

November 1st, 2012
5:46 am

Sadly in most of the red states the confederacy and its ideas of subjugation of people, hate, lack of freedom, etc. are still considered heroic ideas and something to be looked up to. This probably explains why someone would dress their kid in a confederate costume and probably gives them a good dose of Republican politics to go with the costume.
It would be great if the south would look to Germany for leadership on this issue. The Nazis lost the war as did the confederacy. Germans then realized what they were fighting for was wrong and moved forward to ban Nazism, Nazis statues, Nazis uniforms and the Nazis flag (Swatiska) and as a result is a better place 60 years later. In much of the south 150 years later they still are fighting for the lost cause, have confederate statues in almost every town square, legalized confederate flags on state license plates, ruined a perfectly good mountain in Stone Mountain and otherwise glorify the confederacy.
Perhaps this will explain the kid in the confederate costume and the bubble heads who will go ballistic later today defending the confederacy.

catlady

November 1st, 2012
6:36 am

I would have no objection to a Civil War costume, from either South or North. I would, however, be uncomfortble with a Nazi costume. It isn’t just what it meant THEN, but even today we have folks espousing that cause.

atticus joad

November 1st, 2012
6:39 am

So dressing as a historical figure, and maybe in your mind, glorifying a wrong cause (of course you don’t know about that part unless you can read the kid’s mind) is offensive but “glorifying” a serial killer (like a Freddie Kruger costume) is ok? PC stupidity at its finest.

D Haralson

November 1st, 2012
6:54 am

I couldn’t have said it better……………

G-force

November 1st, 2012
6:55 am

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November 1st, 2012
6:57 am

Atticus don’t be an idiot. Freddy Krueger is a fictional character. Maybe you’d have a point if you said John Wayne Gacy or Ted Bundy, but Krueger? Your logic makes my head hurt.

To answer the question…is it offensive? Not really. Because a few people might be offended doesnt make it offensive. Is it in bad taste? Yes. Though if we use Atticus’ logic, why not let your kid dress up as Jerry Sandusky?

Bill Campbell

November 1st, 2012
6:58 am

There is nothing wrong with dressing as a Reb or a Yank because most people still don’t know history! There have been more injustice under the US flag than the Confederate battle flag ..no more offensive than the British ,Spanish and French flags that brought slaves to America and first to the Northern states that embraced it first! Get over it!

Common Sense

November 1st, 2012
7:00 am

COnfederate soldiers were heroes, defending their homes. Both good and bad existed on both sides of the war. The War was fought to preserve the Union and thus protect freedom of speech. PC is suppression of liberty and freedom. Almost any opinion or symbol is offensive to someone.

G-force

November 1st, 2012
7:01 am

Thank you Atticus! Sparta needs to grow up and lighten up. The Confederacy was about political determination and defiance of an intrusive and destructive Federal government. Sound familiar? All of the presumptions over slavery and

Percy Flage

November 1st, 2012
7:01 am

Not as offensive as a boy with his pants hanging below his butt, which is an everyday costume in my neighborhood.

dixie pixie

November 1st, 2012
7:03 am

Please don’t make comments without doing the research beforehand. The southern pride is not about race or religion. It is about the fact that our ancestors stood up for what they believed and stood against forces that were trying to up-end their way of life. Before anyone gets offended here. . .I am a proud native american-caucasian woman married to a wonderful man born and raised in the UP! He respects ALL of my heritage and I enjoy learning about his. I feel the same way about my native heritage as I do my caucasian heritage. I feel the same about the soldiers from each of those backgrounds as I feel about those soldiers who are defending my rights everyday.

Edmund Ruffin

November 1st, 2012
7:10 am

G-force is right. Not only would I let my children wear a Confederate uniform, I teach them the TRUTH about that period in our history. My non-slave owning ancestors fought for Georgia since in those days we still followed the Constitution and Georgia was higher in the peckin’ order than the Feds. The most overrated President in the history of the universe was dishonest Abe, the keeper of a large group of communists in his administration. Read actual history for a change, not journalists or the American hating socialists in the universities.

mom of 3

November 1st, 2012
7:11 am

They are kids dressed up – Adults ruin everything. Why does a Halloween costume have to stand for anything. The kid probably liked the colors or the way the outfit looked – nothing more nothing less. Jimminy Cricket people – let’s not start a racial war over a Halloween costume worn by a kid that has no idea other than he had on a costume.

Larry

November 1st, 2012
7:12 am

Sparta Bubba is clearly an idiot. 97% of the South were not slaveholders and were fighting for their homes against invasion. Spielberg’s Lincoln flick is horrifically inaccurate. Lincoln’s first inauagural address included his assertion that he had no power to end slavery nor the inclination to do so. The Emancipation Proclamation “freed” only those states “in rebellion” over which he had no control; the union states of Delaware, Kentucky and Missouri all remain remained slave states until after the war. The Proclamation was a cynical political document aimed at keeping England and France out of the war, not freeing slaves. Don’t believe me? Read it, the language is plain.

There is nothing in the world wrong with wearing a Confederate soldier’s uniform. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a closed minded bigot.

G-force

November 1st, 2012
7:17 am

Thank you Atticus! Sparta needs to grow up and lighten up. The Confederacy was about political determination and defiance of an intrusive and destructive Federal government. Sound familiar? All of the presumptions over slavery and the assignment of motives stems more from the aggrandizement of the Federal war and the overlay of modern political correctness mixed with a Federally focused political agenda. It’s also not the point here or of a costume on a child. The point is a day to wear costumes and pretend to be something else. It’s also telling that Sparta got so worked up over a soldier costume when kids dress as monsters (vampires), killers (Scream face ), murderers (aforementioned Freddy or Jason ), or demonic creatures (clowns). Grow up, be an adult, let the kids be kids and stop projecting your presumptions and insecuritie on them.

Jsmith

November 1st, 2012
7:20 am

There’s nothing at all wrong with wearing a Confederate costume. If you think it’s offensive, don’t wear it. Those of us who don’t think it is will continue to put it on.

PS – Those of you who think only the South had slaves need to open a history book!

cobbmom

November 1st, 2012
7:26 am

Sparta I agree with you. If the south had won people of color would have remained slaves. G-force and Atticus can argue all they want about federal intrusion, the plain and simple matter was people were forced into slavery and that is wrong no matter how you try to twist and sugar coat it. Then you have to ask, if 97% of southerners didn’t own slaves why were they laying their lives on the line to keep 3% of the population wealthy? Sounds like the current Republican platform borrowed ideas from the the Confederacy.

Logic please...

November 1st, 2012
7:31 am

The entire holiday is offensive.

Progress Humanist

November 1st, 2012
7:34 am

I didn’t expect there to be so many hicks on here. A Confederate costume is essentially the same as a Nazi costume. Historical? Okay. But certainly representative of an immoral cause and disgraced losers to boot.

Logical Dad

November 1st, 2012
7:35 am

The confederate soldiers fired on the American flag. They lost the war because they quit. If you want to honor a country that was at war with the United States of America and populated by losers and quitters – be my guest. Real Americans will just look at you and laugh.

JF McNamara

November 1st, 2012
7:44 am

If you have to ask,…

Of course its out of bounds. If you love history so much, dress up as a Desert Storm, Vietnam, World War 2 or colonial soldier. I never see any of them. I have, however, seen confederate and Nazi costumes. Nazis are known for genocide and confederates are know for human subjugation.

The civil war ended 147 years ago. You didn’t know, any never would have know, anyone who fought in the war. The only reason to wear that costume in 2012 aside from civil war reenactments is to offend African Americans and anyone with an IQ above 30 knows it.

Jeff

November 1st, 2012
7:46 am

Considering all of the other things that someone may find offensive, what’s the big deal?

If you open that door of offensive, what time can I come over and tell you to stop things I don’t think you should be doing?

Rodster

November 1st, 2012
7:50 am

For crying out loud… Well said by Atticus earlier in the string. Stupid political correctness gone wild. People that are offended by a halloween costume need to grow up. It’s a costume, not a political statement. All over the eastern states including a democratic bastion like Pennsylvania, amature civil war re-enactors dress up as both sides multiple times a year.

oldsarge99

November 1st, 2012
7:52 am

Being a Georgia boy, southern born and raised I take offense to the notion that a Confederate soldiers costume should be considered out of bounds. Over 97% of white Georgian men fought for the southern war effort. Our ancestors fought and died for what they believed in, whether some of you like it or not. If it offends you I’m sorry, but I’m not apologizing, so get over it.

Billy Bearden

November 1st, 2012
7:53 am

Each year at Halloween I have the option to either myself or my son to go out dressed as a Confederate Soldier or not. I personally choose not to because for me, Halloween is about making fun out of whatever costume/uniform/person/figure you dress up as. The Confederate soldier is my ancestor, is an American Veteran, believed in the Constitution as written by our Founding Fathers and fought to protect his home and family.I will not cheapen his sacred memory by donning a Confederate uniform on a national day of silliness.

Silver Talons

November 1st, 2012
7:53 am

Nothing is ruined about the Stone Mountain. Learn your history SPARTA BUBBA. The landowners gave the mountain property to the State of Georiga to be used as a Memorial to the Confederacy and its soldiers. Only in recent years have “newcomers” to Atlanta government transformed a beautiful natural sanctuary into one of the tackiest family fun centers in the South with that silly 1870’s village, hotels, tennis courts, etc. If this had been a memorial to the Jews or slaves, this would not have been allowed. Even the state officials of today gladly omit part of the official name of the park, For the record,it is STONE MOUNTAIN MEMORIAL PARK. Remove the crap that the state has allowed and return it to the vision of the original landowner’s gift.

Matt the Brave

November 1st, 2012
7:56 am

Seems that this blog is being supported by people who hate Georgia. Probably never been out of Atlanta.

Having been a Civil War Reenactor, I can say that most people who dress as Confederates do so because of either 1) they had ancestors who, like in my family, died during the Civil War or 2) are actually proud of where they come from and want to keep a part of history that is often buried alive. It’s not about race (we had two African-American ’soldiers’ in our unit – plus, in the unit that we represented, there was an actual freedman who fought for the Confederacy, not just because his ‘master’ was there), nor is it about hate. Most Confederate reenactors hate how the Confederate flag has been used by hate groups and condemn what they do to Americans and others.

Long story short, if you don’t like the South, Delta’s ready and waiting; if you don’t know your own history, you’re doomed to repeat it.

Voice of Reason

November 1st, 2012
8:00 am

Make it a zombie Confederate soldier, do you still have a problem with it?

SBinF

November 1st, 2012
8:00 am

Oh yah, the Civil War was about states’ rights….to allow slavery in their territories. To argue otherwise is seriously misreading history.

Chuck

November 1st, 2012
8:01 am

WOW! What a response from so many, that obviously know so little about something that is so small :)

Kids wear costumes, let it go!

The “civil war” was fought for a variety of purposes, most of them having to do with finances, not the “right and wrong” of slavery. Remember, history is written by the victor, and it is always written to make any war “justified” regardless of what really happened. (This does not just apply to this one war.)

I can’t believe that people still believe that there were no slaves outside of the “south” or that believe that all “persons of color” were slaves – neither of which are true. I also find it very interesting that we can focus on one aspect of the “slave trade” an not any of the others – no one ever speaks to the untold hardships and misrepresentations of those that were “indentured servants” or those that lived in “company towns” throughout the U.S. You hardly ever hear of those slaves that were the property of other people of color, it is only and always “all whites” and “all blacks” whichh is demonstrably inaccurate and almost never challenged.

People – let it go, it was Halloween, it was a COSTUME, it was a child – now, go read a little history, do a little research and determine what you really feel after you really understand history, instead of letting others do your thinking for you.

Me

November 1st, 2012
8:02 am

I would not personally find a Civil War costume, for either side, to be offensive. I find it somewhat ironic, however, that so many people cannot “forget or forgive” about the Civil War and still have strong feelings but seemingly have no problem buying hundreds of thousands of cars from the country that bombed Pearl Harbor.

Logical Dad

November 1st, 2012
8:03 am

Still waiting for someone to justify honoring quitters who fired on the flag of the United States of America. Anyone? Anyone?

Robert E Lee

November 1st, 2012
8:06 am

Yes sir,if they could there are plenty of people that think we should take those confederate soliders off the side of Stone Mtn and that they are not to be honored .All I can say to that is…..OVER MY DEAD BODY. You want to keep MLK alive? I want to keep my confederate ancestary alive, my family members died for that cause as well. It happened, it is history,now get over it.

This is Mrs. Norman Maine

November 1st, 2012
8:08 am

My goodness Theresa, don’t you know that they don’t equate the Confederates with Nazis? They don’t think a heritage of slavery and oppression is wrong; in fact, if you ask enough of them, they will tell you that their ancestors had nothing to do it, the old South wasn’t that bad and the Confederacy is really about a heritage of sweet iced tea and grits, and the Blacks should just get over it. They are proud of their attempts to destroy our country, to this day they still they think they had the right to do it and are bitter about losing in 1864 and losing again in 1964 when the Civil Rights Act was passed. Therefore there is nothing wrong with teaching the little fellow to celebrate their “history”, and the rest of us should just get over ours.

Ideas

November 1st, 2012
8:11 am

First of all a confederate uniform if great, the flag is great. It was worn and flown for FREEDOM. States’ rights was a freedom we do not enjoy now because of some Liberal idiots. It was a war to stop a dictatorship of the magnitude we have today. You cannot put a bridge on your own property across a creek, you own, without federal approval. What a crock this country has turned into because a war for states’ rights was lost. The Nazi uniform signifies a dictatorship. The KKK sheet signified a means of killing or scaring people. Both are bad. But a uniform worn by a man or boy that signifies what we all should stand for, freedom from tyranny that we all are under now. Somehow we got away from the 50 states, ran and governed by the people but unified for the protection of all from outside forces has been eliminated by another dastardly person from Illinois, just like we are under today. Funny how history repeats itself. One violates the constitution by firing and making war on its own people, eliminating Habeas Corpus and ignoring the Supreme Court. Sound familiar…

Ed

November 1st, 2012
8:12 am

A civil war costume worries all these christian folks, while local hero Joe Lowery says all white people are going to hell. Hey Joe, I’ll keep your seat warm.

Marsh

November 1st, 2012
8:17 am

Logical Dad – grow up. Oh, and buy a history book.

People want to push politics on their kids on Halloween. Yeah, America.

say what

November 1st, 2012
8:20 am

you snot nosed idiots. its a costume…hello. so do you support devils and witches but not a period of history. its a historical military uniform. you people made the flag a symbol of racism and division. you feed it. that flag was not used by the confederates to promote any form of suppression or racism. no more than the northern aggression flag was used to promote government hostile military take overs…dictatorship,government monnopolys, communism, etc. this so called article is the problem. wake up people you are smarter than this. you give up one thing then before you know it …you have given up everything!

Logical Dad

November 1st, 2012
8:20 am

That’s the best you can do? “Grow up?” “Buy a history book?” Are you alleging that the confederacy did not fire on the US flag? Are you insinuating the confederacy did not quit? SOMEBODY needs to buy a history book, alright.

Marsh

November 1st, 2012
8:27 am

Is this how you spend your time, “Logical” Dad? Twisting history to suit your purpose? It was a CIVIL WAR.

Let me guess: New York.

SBinF

November 1st, 2012
8:28 am

“I can’t believe that people still believe that there were no slaves outside of the “south” or that believe that all “persons of color” were slaves – neither of which are true.”

I don’t see any place here where people were making that argument.

I don’t know why people remember so a period where Americans took up arms against their own government, to protect an institution that said people owning other people was absolutely ok.

Phil from Athens

November 1st, 2012
8:37 am

“Is a Confederate soldier costume out of bounds?”

I saw a group of kids dressed as black panthers so no, it’s not out of bounds. The only people who freak out over that are brain dead liberals and race baiters like Joseph Lowry who recently stated that all white people are going to hell.

Phil from Athens

November 1st, 2012
8:39 am

“This probably explains why someone would dress their kid in a confederate costume and probably gives them a good dose of Republican politics to go with the costume.”

This is why public schools have failed. It’s folks like that who don’t even realize that a REPUBLICAN set the slaves free. The south was controlled by Democrats.

Progress Humanist

November 1st, 2012
8:39 am

The Confederates were not patriots; they were traitors, by definition. They systematically took up arms against their countrymen and attempted to destroy the United States of America. They were born Americans, but they did their best to reject their citizenship to the extent of making war on this great nation. The genocide that was committed in the South was on par with that of the Nazis during WW II if you consider the many years that slavery took place in this country. Yes, the war was about states’ rights and economics- the rights of states to have slavery and the economics of slavery. Yes, they fought for a cause they believed in, an immoral cause that is a disgrace to their descendants. MLK fought for a cause, but his cause was noble and just. And he won. Southerners were sent home with their tails between their legs, which was much too generous an ending for them. You want to dress your child up in that? You’re free to, but it says a lot about you and I feel sorry for the child that must grow up in your household.

Phil from Athens

November 1st, 2012
8:40 am

“Then you have to ask, if 97% of southerners didn’t own slaves why were they laying their lives on the line to keep 3% of the population wealthy?

You can’t fix stupid unfortunately. Cobbmom needs to brush up on her history since the Civil War was not fought over slavery but was fought over northern aggression.

Phil from Athens

November 1st, 2012
8:41 am

“The Confederates were not patriots; they were traitors, by definition. ”

As were the founders of the country who fought against Great Britain.

This is Mrs. Norman Maine

November 1st, 2012
8:41 am

Phil: “I saw a group of kids dressed as Black Panthers”

Phil, you attempted to make an analogy which is completely erroneous but more importantly you did NOT see a bunch of kids dressed up as Panthers. Little kids today never even heard of the Black Panthers and their parents probably don’t know who they were either. Nice try.

Phil from Athens

November 1st, 2012
8:42 am

The country is going bankrupt thanks to a far left president but let’s focus on a kid wearing a costume.

Phil from Athens

November 1st, 2012
8:43 am

“Phil, you attempted to make an analogy which is completely erroneous but more importantly you did NOT see a bunch of kids dressed up as Panthers.”

Oh, so you know what I saw now? You must have the IQ of a carrot if you think you speak for me.

“Little kids today never even heard of the Black Panthers”

Again, you’re not a smart person.

Phil from Athens

November 1st, 2012
8:44 am

This is Mrs. Norman Maine

1: What age group of kids did I see?

2: What neighborhood was I in?

I mean, since you know what I see and don’t see, you’ll have no problem answering those questions.