What are the best cities for working moms?

Forbes.com has released it’s list of the Top 20 Cities for Working Moms, and there are multiple southern cities on there but not Atlanta

Nashville, Tenn., Raleigh, N.C., Birmingham, Ala., and New Orleans made the list. Richmond and Virginia Beach, Virginia also made the list. And so did Austin, Texas, but I wasn’t sure if those last three would be considered Southern. Are we counting those?

Ohio and Missouri had two cities each on the list, which make me wonder if both states are good or just those cities in those states?

The creators of the list evaluated: population, violent crimes, women’s annual earnings, physicians, average commute, expenditure per pupil and cost of childcare in the area.

Here is the list from Forbes.com (Click the link to go through their slide show on why each city qualified.)

20. St. Louis, Mo.

19. Nashville, TN

18.  Kansas City, Mo

17. Virginia Beach, Va.

16. Austin, Tx.

15. San Jose, Calif.

14 Raleigh, N.C.

13 Indianapolis, Ind.

12 Milwaukee, Wis.

11. Pittsburgh, Pa.

10. Louisville, Kent.

9. Buffalo, N.Y.

8. Richmond, Va.

7. Cleveland, Ohio

6. Birmingham, Ala.

5. Providence, R.I.

4. Cincinnati, Ohio

3. Hartford, Conn.

2. New Orleans, L.A.

“Population: 1,191,089
Violent Crimes Per 100K: 2,748
Women’s Annual Earnings: $27,778
Physicians Per 100K: 413.4
Average Commute: 28.7 minutes
Expenditure Per Pupil: $16,256
Cost of Childcare: $5,900”

1. Columbus Ohio

“Population: 1,858,464
Violent Crimes Per 100K: 5,185
Women’s Annual Earnings: $32,086
Physicians Per 100K: 318.9
Average Commute: 25.6 minutes
Expenditure Per Pupil: $12,628
Cost of Childcare: $7,750”

What do you think? Does it surprise you that Atlanta did not make the list? Do any of the cities surprise you? (New Orleans surprised me being so high. Sorry New Orleans.) Would you ever consider moving to any of these areas?

38 comments Add your comment

jarvis

October 18th, 2012
7:04 am

#1 is $32,086 in average earnings? I am clearly out of touch. What is the national poverty line now?

That aside, any ranking that takes average commute into consideration isn’t going to have Atlanta listed.

motherjanegoose

October 18th, 2012
7:05 am

@ mom of 3, in response to your post on the the previous blog this morning about working moms and employers, while I have been to all of the cities above except Cleveland, I have NO answer on this topic. I am interested in checking back later today to learn from others, who have expertise in this area.

Have a great day all!

Jeff

October 18th, 2012
7:36 am

Except for the women’s annual earnings, isn’t everything else on that list good for dads too? Should it be a list of great cities for parents?

Gordon Gekko

October 18th, 2012
8:05 am

Which city is best for working mom’s?

How about any city where you can find a job.

So what is the purpose of this report...

October 18th, 2012
8:06 am

…do they think that women will pull up roots and now move to any of those cities just to have a chance at a better working environment?

And, Atlanta is not on the list for many reasons, the least of which could be considered that Atlanta is the home of the infamous Real HOa’s, which dumbs down the whole city for consideration for anything worthwhile, much less jobs for women…

catlady

October 18th, 2012
8:13 am

If you can’t routinely order and get sweet tea, it is NOT the South!

Chaos

October 18th, 2012
8:15 am

Sammaches! Make them for me!

Voice of Reason

October 18th, 2012
8:21 am

Interesting because I think you could also add Toronto and maybe even Vancouver to that list. Title should actually read: “What are the best AMERICAN cities for working moms?”

/Just saying

Phil from Athens

October 18th, 2012
8:22 am

“What are the best cities for working moms?”

The bathroom, kitchen and living room.

Phil from Athens

October 18th, 2012
8:24 am

“How about any city where you can find a job.”

EXACTLY! I am surprised that Sioux Falls, SD didn’t make the list since that is the best state to raise a family.

Phil from Athens

October 18th, 2012
8:25 am

” Cleveland, Ohio”

Place is a DUMP.

jarvis

October 18th, 2012
9:20 am

Also, I don’t understand the rankings at all. What am I missing that is putting Columbus over New Orleans? $5K in annual earnings and 3 minutes in commute?

Violent crimes are almost double, cost of child care is less and the number of doctors per 100K is almost 100 less in Columbus. The weighting must be very heavy toward the earnings.

DB

October 18th, 2012
9:33 am

@Phil: Not all parts of Cleveland are a dump. Let’s face it, anyone riding on MARTA from the airport would conclude that Atlanta is a dump, too. The area around University Circle, etc. is very nice — lots of convenient shopping, beautiful homes, trees, and the proximity of Case Western Reserve University for museums, the arts, botanical garden, etc. Of course, the weather is pretty iffy . . .

Denise

October 18th, 2012
9:34 am

The annual earnings for #1 and #2 suck. I wouldn’t live there to make that kind of money. I’m from Louisiana and I’d never raise my children in NOLA. You basically have to send your kids to private school to get a decent education. I guess people say the same thing about Atlanta but I believe that is more a choice. I don’t think it’s a choice in NOLA. I think it’s a must from what I hear from friends that grew up there. Even parents that worked in the public school system sent their kids to private/Catholic school.

Uh, DB...

October 18th, 2012
9:57 am

…Atlanta is a dump, and not just the MARTA part…though it has been since 1979 when MARTA opened!

MatthewH

October 18th, 2012
10:00 am

As an Atlanta native who is now living in Richmond, I am surprised that you question whether or not Richmond is Southern city. , I would say that it is more Southern than Atlanta. Atlanta has become a major metropolitan city that just happens to be in the South. Richmond will always be Southern, both in its views on things as well as its pace of life. (Sometimes that’s not always a good thing)

DB

October 18th, 2012
10:04 am

@Uh, DB: Most cities have areas that are “dumpish”.. I look around my part of Atlanta, and “dump” is not the adjuective I would use to describe it. It’s like the blind people feeling an elephant — making decisions based on a small sampling doesn’t give anyone the big picture.

DB

October 18th, 2012
10:07 am

@MatthewH: Richmond is DEFINITELY a Southern city! It was the capital of the Confederacy, so if that doesn’t make it Southern, what does? :-) I grew up there, and still love it — but as with any city, it has its own set of challenges.

NikNak

October 18th, 2012
10:43 am

I live in Columbus, OH (the metro area) and we love it here. It is wonderful for raising kids. I do pay a lot more for childcare than $7k, though.

Kay

October 18th, 2012
10:46 am

Um,that would be 3 Ohio cities in the top ten – Cleveland, Cincinnati and Columbus.

Cynic

October 18th, 2012
12:33 pm

Seems to me a city with the lowest cost of living overall would be the best in that it might enable mom to not have to work – clearly the best all around situation. Quite concerning that dollars spent per student even makes the criteria as there have never been any correlation shown between dollars and quality. Just look at Washington D.C. Nearly $25,000 per pupil and absolutely the worst school system in the nation. Also, violent crimes are mostly committed against people who know their attacker. While crime stats are an important decision making item, hardly seems like a critical item since crime is also typically neighborhood specific. Hardly seems right to condemn an entire city just because of a high crime area. That’s pretty much how Atlanta got so high on crime lists despite plenty of great, safe neighborhoods.

FCM

October 18th, 2012
12:41 pm

You get an Amen from me on this one: “How about any city where you can find a job.”

Atlanta seems to have been good for me thus far…I pray that continues.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

October 18th, 2012
1:58 pm

Good counting Kay — missed that other one — that is a lot from OHIo — what’s up with that??
The mason dixon line is pretty darn north as far as I am concerned and it snows a lot in Virginia. (but it snows a lot in NC too)

When we were moving to Pennsylvania in 1994 we were having a debate about where the south stopped. We stopped in Va for breakfast and I asked the waitress about something they were serving and she said “They call it something different down South” so I thought that was kind of telling.

motherjanegoose

October 18th, 2012
2:02 pm

@catlady…thanks for the laugh! I have been to restaurants in SC TN and FL that do not serve sweet tea. This always confuses me! Maybe the owners are Yankees?

Mayhem

October 18th, 2012
2:09 pm

Really MJG???? It confuses you when restaurants in the south don’t serve sweet tea. Put some sugar in it……What about coke? Does it confuse you when they have Pepsi instead of coke here in Atlanta, since this is Coca Cola town….

Not EVERYONE in the south drinks sweet tea. I sure don’t. That stuff is NASTY. It’s basically brown sugar water.

Hope that didn’t confuse you to badly…..

Tiffany

October 18th, 2012
2:36 pm

Sweet tea is a southern classic. My guess is the owners ARE yankees…

And, Tiffany...

October 18th, 2012
3:08 pm

…Pepsi is also a northern drink – now if you could only lose your left leaning, Dumocrat ways you and I could be friends…

And, Mayhem, not many places around here serve Pepsi instead of “co-coler”, and if they do, you can bet they are owned by northerners…

Mayhem

October 18th, 2012
3:33 pm

Arby’s serves Pepsi.

DB

October 18th, 2012
3:41 pm

@Mayhem: A good reason not to go there, IMO! I had a friend who worked in marketing with Pepsi who was transferred to Atlanta for a year-long project. He said that he should have gotten combat pay!

Tiffany

October 18th, 2012
3:47 pm

I was referring to what MJG said about the restaurants in the south that do not serve sweet tea…surely the owners there must be yankees as it does not make sense that they would not be serving sweet tea.

motherjanegoose

October 18th, 2012
4:02 pm

A friend has a daughter who works for Coke. We spent a few days together, at the beach. She was NOT happy at the waiters who told us they only served Pepsi.

We lived in TX before we moved here to GA. We drank Pepsi. For the past 23 years, we have drank COKE. We get it. Well, I actually drink sweet tea/water/back coffee but hubby drinks Coke.

@ Mayhem…I am typically confused when a business does not succumb ( sp?) to the preferences of the local client base . It would confuse me if Hy Vee sold sweet tea in an jug but not Publix.

motherjanegoose

October 18th, 2012
4:03 pm

black coffee…sorry

FCM

October 18th, 2012
4:46 pm

The Mason–Dixon Line (or Mason and Dixon’s Line) was surveyed between 1763 and 1767 by Charles Mason and Jeremiah Dixon in the resolution of a border dispute between British colonies in Colonial America. It is a demarcation line among four U.S. states, forming part of the borders of Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, and West Virginia (then part of Virginia). In popular usage, especially since the Missouri Compromise of 1820 (apparently the first official use of the term “Mason’s and Dixon’s Line”), the Mason–Dixon Line symbolizes a cultural boundary between the Northeastern United States and the Southern United States (Dixie). It was not the demarcation line for the legality of slavery, however, since Delaware, a slave state, falls north of the boundary. The Missouri Compromise Line had a much more definitive geographic connection to slavery in the United States leading up to the Civil War.[1]

xxx

October 20th, 2012
2:29 pm

Pepsico OWNS Arby’s, tool.

The American South

October 20th, 2012
10:06 pm

The American South:

Georgia
Alabama
Mississippi
South Carolina
Louisiana
Tennessee
North Carolina
Arkansas (including extreme southern Missouri along the border)
North Florida (everything roughly north of Orlando)
Kentucky (minus the Cincinnati suburbs, and including the Missouri bootheel)
South Virginia (everything south of Fredricksburg, including the Shenandoah Valley and parts of West Virgnia)

The American South

October 20th, 2012
10:07 pm

Richmond and Virginia Beach are in The American South. Austin is not.

DB

October 22nd, 2012
1:54 am

@The American South: Your geography is a bit flawed. Why do you get to draw a line through Fredericksburg and then declare the top 3rd of Virginia “North”? Because of it’s proximity to Washington, DC? Maryland was a slave state, and considered joining the Confederacy, but realized that between between DC and the North would put them on the front edge of many battles. Also, they were able to maintain slavery for a while longer — the Emancipation Proclamation was aimed at only slaves in the Confederate states NOT the North. Kentucky was a slave state, but 75% of it’s soldiers fought for the Union Army. Missouri was, too, with soldiers fighting about half-and-half. Slavery wasn’t abolished throughout the entire country until the 13th Amendment, in December of 1865.

The American South

October 23rd, 2012
2:56 pm

What I say/listed is final and correct. There is nothing flawed.

The true American South is based on culture, history, modern-history, and geography.