Bill Nye The Science Guy: Parents, do not teach creationism

I agree will Bill. Adults should not be forcing children in not believing in Evolution. As Rod said, “It’s time we quite beliving in fairy tales and use common sense instead”; I agree with this! People no longer rely on that common sense and then things become skewed. Somewhere along the line, someone messed up our common sense. Now, it is time to get it back! Thanks Bill Nye :) and thank you Rod.

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“In the truth of the big scheme of things, it happens to be wrong to teach your innocent children such narrow minded and wasteful teachings ( Religion) which maybe is excluding science and the evolutionary process that is a science in itself and the basis of our existance and creation”. Terence Carr

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“Come up with a new idea that puts some other value in reduction, then that value holder is upset” TRUE!

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used to like the science guy, but now I think there may be an agenda using his influence to undermine religious beliefs,probably getting rewarded for this action.I have been science follower all my life and it has only intensified my beliefs.

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I went to Catholic school back in the 70s and 80s before this new Creationist movement popped up and I must say in retrospect that I’m glad they taught it the way they did, and I’m glad my parents found a place that taught what they taught me.

Adam and Eve and the story of Creation was taught in RELIGION class. The Big Bang Theory was taught in SCIENCE class.

It really is to the detriment of a person’s critical thinking ability to answer everything b/c “God said…” and to formulate the answer around that. If STEM careers are a possibility for your little scientist or mathematician, then let them LEARN science and math.

If their newly acquired critical thinking skills lead them away from religion, then it wasn’t meant to be. If they have faith regardless, than it shouldn’t matter.

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Funny also to note that many “world renowned” physicists discounted the Higgs particle (the God particle) as being fictious. This particle was recently confirmed by two research teams as a reality.

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My college Biology professor taught evolution, and he was a Bible-believing born again Southern Baptist. And a very smart man. People who say Christianity and evolution are incompatible are insulting him and millions of other Christians.

I’m sure there will be plenty of junk science thrown around here but the bottom line is that if you teach your child Creationism you’re setting them up to fail in both science and faith. At a certain point they will leave your little bubble and if their belief in God requires rejecting overwhelming evidence in evolution, there’s gonna be a problem.

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Anybody who believes in God in this day and age is essentially retarded. That’s directed at you NAGA and MountainDawg. You are essentially retarded. The mind of a child with Down’s syndrome. Drooling buckets of stupidity. Pathetic lemmings being led around by their little peters that were probably used as sexual tools at Sunday school. Go rot in heaven ya dense dumb freaks.

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If you don’t like the morality I choose to instill on my children, please sign up for a time this weekend where I can come to your house and tell you what I think you should be doing differently with your family.

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So now I’m waiting for Mr. Nye to put out a spot on how life begins at conception and how parents shouldn’t teach that a baby is just a blob of tissue in the womb…. I may be waiting a while…

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Once Again: “It is all just a divine dance folks.”

Exactly. And that is where the joy is.

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As we investigate our world, we find that many ideas have to change to match our discoveries. Thus, the definition for a swan had to be changed, when black swanns were seen in Australia. Creationists like jpm5243 want to have a world without change or even an evolution in ideas. They want THE FACT to be unchanging, even if our understanding about THE FACT changes.

This is the problem with Creationism. It is not only that the ideas of the Creationists are wrong, but the mindset is that Creationists tightly bind God to their beliefs, and any change to their belief is an attack on God and a personal attack on them.

Creationists can never make a unified theory of creation, that encompasses all religions. The Creation story of the Jews is interesting, but it is not the same story as for the Moslems. Neither one agrees with Hinduism. None ofthem agree with Shintoism. So in a secular society, why is only the Christian story held true, but the theory that the world rests on the back of two elephants who stand on a turtle who swims in an eternal sea not taught as well? Creationism is full of differing stories, theories and beliefs that change almost daily. Indeed, the evolution of Creationsim is one of the more interesting stories of all. As new facts are discovered, the whole of Creation thought is changed to incorporate these new ideas in a weird method to prove that Creationism still works.

Try reading some Creationist literature from 1850, 1900 and 1920, and then compare them to newer Creationist literature. While science has changed and evolved over this time as new facts are discovered, so has Creationism, and perhaps even more so.

However, those foolish people who insist on unalterable facts are confounded, and are left behind to trudge up and down the blind alleys of their beliefs as the world moves on. Regretfully, they keep their children with them when they teach Creationism rather than truth. And as the Bible says, “The instruction of fools is folly.”

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I am not a brilliant person but I thank God every day for what has been created: from the cardinals in my backyard to the stingrays in the ocean. I am also thankful for science and it’s impact on my life. Do you have to make a choice between science or faith in God?

Yes, we believe in creation but we also appreciate science and marvel at it’s impact. Science was never my best subject but my children have done well with science and they also embrace creation.

There are lots if things I do not understand. Having faith is not always easy but it is an amazing thing when you have had an answer to a prayer that seemed impossible. I know Medical Doctors who offer to pray with their patients and, for this, I am thankful!

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Teaching religion to children is simply indoctrinating them into a cult.

Evolution is part of the 9th grade biology curriculum. It’s a shame that so many adults (like mom @ 8:17) don’t have the education and understanding of science that we expect 9th graders to have. This is why we have so few students who are successful in the STEM fields, so Mr. Nye is absolutely correct.

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“The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson

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“I want to put on the table, not why 85% of the members of the National Academy of Sciences reject God, I want to know why 15% of the National Academy don’t.”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson

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“People cited violation of the First Amendment when a New Jersey schoolteacher asserted that evolution and the Big Bang are not scientific and that Noah’s ark carried dinosaurs. This case is not about the need to separate church and state; it’s about the need to separate ignorant, scientifically illiterate people from the ranks of teachers.’ – Neil deGrasse Tyson, New York, Dec. 19, 2006. “Letter to the Editor” New York Times published December 21, 2006 in the Read section”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson

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“When scientifically investigating the natural world, the only thing worse than a blind believer is a seeing denier.”
― Neil deGrasse Tyson, Death by Black Hole: And Other Cosmic Quandaries

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There are thoughtful thinkers here.

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More people need to do some research into the actual paleontological origins and ‘evolution’ of superstition and religion, going back to the Paleolithic, Mesolithic, and Neolithic Eras.

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@Jpm5423
Arguing that the big bang is just a theory is ignorance. It was confirmed in 1990 by taking a survey of the background radiation left over by it. 1% of the noise/static on our old tube tv’s not on a station is the visual noise from it. But, if you actually want deeper understanding of it, look up WMAP. Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe and wiki simply big bang.

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Bill Nye is a naturalist. “Science” does not equal “naturalism.” One is a process. The other is a religion. Let’s stop mandating that kids must be naturalists to be great scientists.

There once was nothing. There was potential for something. Then there was something. Potential became actualized. Any physicist will tell you that based on Newton’s laws, potentiality doesn’t become actuality without a force acting on it.
Matter was not formed spontaneously. There had to be a Cause.

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“Anybody who believes in God in this day and age is essentially retarded. That’s directed at you NAGA and MountainDawg. You are essentially retarded. The mind of a child with Down’s syndrome. Drooling buckets of stupidity. Pathetic lemmings being led around by their little peters that were probably used as sexual tools at Sunday school. Go rot in heaven ya dense dumb freaks.”

How intelligent of you to try to insult me in such in a juvenile manner. Do you wnat to compare college degrees, military service, W2s, etc. etc., to truly see who is the idiot here?

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“This is why we have so few students who are successful in the STEM fields, so Mr. Nye is absolutely correct.”

My kids were taught creationism in the house and both attended public schools. The son is about to graduate top of the class in the dental program at the MCOG. The daughter is currently sitting at #2 in her high school class.

Mind explaining what have I done wrong here???

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NAGA- What have you done wrong? You have taught them falsehoods. It’s as simple as that.

I am glad that in your anecdote (N = 1), there has been a positive outcome for your offspring. But the fact is that the number of college students studying STEM fields is dwarfed, a near microscopic portion, compared to those studying in other fields that are less important in my view. Part of the reason so few students go into STEM fields is because we have adults like Chris above, who don’t understand what a scientific theory is, or “mom” who doesn’t understand 9th grade science, and too many people who simply do not understand science or how to process evidence. And much of that is because they are indoctrinated early to cast reason aside and instead to believe in myths at the expense of reality. It’s very sad.

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@Progress, thanks for your thoughtful and accurate posts, especially for your explanation of what the word “theory” means in science. It is soooo painful to hear people say over and over again that evolution is “just a theory”. Aaaaargggghhhh!
Also, I don’t think that you have to reject science in order to believe in g-d.

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We can argue about creationism vs. intelligent design vs. evolution until the cows come home. They are all theories. I’d love to see the proof on ANY of them, but I don’t think we ever will. So insisting that one is “right” and the others are “wrong” is pretty much an exercise in futility, IMHO.

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M.E.- I can accept your perspective on it, and will allow that all of those religious texts can legitimately be viewed as literature. But while they may contain some historical accuracies that pertain to the ancient people at the time of the writing (where the tribes were migrating, who they were in conflict with, etc.) I do not think it’s a stretch at all to regard their basic premises about the nature of the universe and origins of life as myths. Until someone can provide evidence for those fantastic claims then they are no different from the Greek myths or any other myths throughout time.

I also think the bible deserves the blame it gets. If substantial proportions of our population were not indoctrinated into believing fantastic myths from an early age it would not have limited progress on a host of issues. Medical advancements through the use of stem cells would be decades ahead of where they are now (quadriplegics often have to go to Europe to receive treatment for their spinal cord injuries). We could be addressing climate change instead of insisting that a supernatural force is the only entity that can influence the planet. And throughout our lives people would be making decisions based on a chain of verifiable evidence, but they don’t do that because from a very early age they are taught to believe in fantasy and cast reason aside. Contrary to me giving religion too much power, I think you give indoctrination into mythology a free pass and are in denial about its negative consequences.

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“Creationism” is not a theory. It is a religion-based belief (or a “philosophy”, at best).

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I’d call creationism an unsupported hypothesis.

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Wonder what the initials D B stand for……

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Rebecca, nobody has ever said humans evolved from apes. The descendants of a common ancestor did not evolve from each other.

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Oh, no, Progress, very familiar with the Bible’s negative consequences. But I think I have a different way of looking at things than you do. I am not all one-sided-prickly-science. Humanistic cultural historian here. We find beauty in what people create where others see none. And see the great pain created very clearly as well. However, empathy will kill you, and you’ve got to step back and be objective to find peace. (Matthew 6:34-7:2)

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and just as I comment on grammer I see I put too instead of two! ha! I want to meet aqua girl one day I love her posts!!!

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@ Masters…..

So which do I enjoy? A quite evening at home, or a quiet evening at home?

Thanks!

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NAGA, sweetie, but do the scholarly fruits of your womb have manners and social skills? You seem a bit shrill, and it drops from the shrill tree.

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Dr. Robert Roper (now deceased) was a well respected professor at Georgia Tech, worked with NASA, and taught earth science.

Dr Roper was also a well respected member of his church community.

I recall that he was asked in a Bible Study how he reconciled Gensis 1 & 2 with his science logic. He said if you recall that time is of man made design and not something God worries about (as Jesus phrased it, “1000 years *like* a day”…notice not equal) then you realize that 7 days are not measured by modern standard.

If you go by the older of the accounts (Gen 2)…you find that it parallells what sciencist have proven to be how the earth evolved.

I think Bill Nye science dude needs to realize that both are true.

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Hmmm, why call Christianity “mythology” when there are mounds of historical and archaeological evidence to back it up. The people, places, kings, queens, Roman leaders and generals actually existed. Roman historians back it up. It’s been tested by scientists and astronomers and passed the tests. Now if you don’t have faith it in fine but it’s passes snobbery to call it mythology. Sounds very much like persecuting people for their beliefs.

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I find it interesting when science and religion collide.
http://www.cernpodcast.com/?p=21

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First of all I think Bill Nye needs to mind his own business. He can express his opinion that he does not think parents shouldn’t teach creationism but outright telling them what they should or shouldn’t teach their children crosses the line.

Secondly, I fail to see how teaching creationism or evolution or whatever holds anything back technologically and the lofty position the US holds technologically would seem to bear that out. Nobody, even those who teach creationism, necessarily has a lack of general understanding of science nor are they unable to contribute greatly to scientific advancement in today’s world. I will say this, I think scientific advancement could be limited somewhat based on the bias that I have observed personally in the academic community against scientists who were brilliant in their own right but were ostracized because of their rejection of a theory that had nothing to do with their specific area of research.

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Progress-
“And I do not give the bible power. It has no inherent power. The power it does have in its believers’ ability to influence government, laws, education, the knowledge of future generations, etc., and that is a very real and unfortunate power.”

Maybe you are a wonderful student of science. But you are lousy student of history. Are you really completely unaware of how much good has been done by humanity as a direct result of great mens’ belief in the Bible? Are you completely unaware of how much the Tora and the teachings of Christ influenced the Renaissance, The Constitution, The Declaration of Independence and helped form the scientific method? If you are casting your lot with the brilliant men in history who rejected the idea of God, rather than the brilliant men throughout history who worshipped some sort of deity, you are rejecting the conclusions of the vast majority of history’s genius. Do you realize the combined weight of the intellects that you are essentially dismissing as fools?

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@mom- evolution does NOT say that humans evolved from apes. The fact that you asked that question only shows your complete ignorance of what evolution is. One, “APES” is a broad category that includes chimps, gorillas, orangatanges, and yes – humans. So we didn’t evolve from apes, we ARE apes. Two, if I re-phrase your question to what I think you meant -”If we evolved from (gorillas) then why are there still gorillas?” It still shows that you’ve never properly been taught evolution. We didn’t evolve from any of the other apes now in existence. Rather, all members of the ape family, including humans, evolved from a common ancestor that now no longer exists. Please, before you dismiss scientific fact – know what it is first! Watch the PBS Nova series “Becoming Human” (it’s free to stream from the PBS Nova site – it is also an instant movie on Netflix) and learn what you’re talking about before you say it is not true.

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Leeh1 after reading your comment I think you are the fool God is talking about in the Bible…

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Aquagirl,

If the genetic disease did not come from bad mutations, then where did they come from? A mutation is a pure random change made to nucleotides in DNA (no intelligence involved). Those nucleotides represent the amino acid sequence that a protein is to take. A genetic disease implies that the nucleotide sequence was randomly altered for the worse. Correct me if I am wrong.

I will back online later this evening to discuss more. Have a great day.

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Up until very recently, the science that Mr. Nye is advocating – the science that is such a sure thing, and beyond debate – it told us that the universe was slowing in its expansion. Within the last two years, science has told us that in fact the universe is expanding at an accelerating rate. It’s hard to imagine a more fundamental, erstwhile “truth” that could have been so universally believed, and then so quickly and summarily reversed, than this. And the principal concept introduced into the scientific lexicon (at large anyway, it was first postulated around 1933) – in part to explain why the slowing expansion theory was so wrong – is that of dark matter, a substance that makes up 83% of the matter in the universe and about which we know basically nothing. To review: universe expanding, not contracting. Dark matter accounts for 83% of the universe’s matter. We have no idea what dark matter is. The principle difference between the believers and the non-believers is this: the believers are at least able to admit that we don’t know sh*t.

And Mr. Nye is tilting against windmills. I’ve met many Christian scientists. Some of whom are Creationists. They believe in all the same physical laws of nature as do the evolutionists. They simply read from a different prologue. They follow the same rules the evolutionists do. Hell, it was by-and-large Christian scientists who recognized, defined and recorded those laws in the first place. There is no field in science I am aware of that would disqualify a candidate who believed that there is a God who created the laws of nature, in favor of one who believes that those same laws of nature sprang into existence by virtue of non-diety forces.

Evolution and Creation both are theories which describe a process. God doesn’t enter the discussion unless and until you discuss causation.

And if you had any familiarity with the Bible at all, you would recognize that we won’t ever be able to prove the existence of God. The text is meaningless without faith, and faith is completely obsolete the second we can prove the existence of God. Believers have made their peace with that fact. I can’t prove that love is anything more than a chemical reaction inside my brain and never will. I believe in it anyway.

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A genetic disease implies that the nucleotide sequence was randomly altered for the worse. Correct me if I am wrong.

Well, you’re all kinds of wrong.

First, if the nucleotide sequence was randomly altered, why wouldn’t we currently have genetic diseases? We’re not the “final product.” Why would random mutations stop? Do you think “good” life forms have fewer mutations?

Second, a mutation you consider “bad” might be passed along but not expressed in the phenotype, the physical form. Unless you have inbreeding, that “bad” gene doesn’t matter.

Third, whether that alteration is worse depends on the environment. That’s why I mentioned Sickle Cell, which is an adaptive mutation if you live in Malaria infested areas. Or red-green color blindness, which can be great if you’re a hunter, not so great if you’re dealing with traffic lights.

Fourth, people with these “bad” genes are helped by our culture. We don’t let people with Sickle Cell disease die, we help them. They may live to produce children, which will carry the Sickle Cell gene.

Fifth, that genetic disorder may not cause problems until later in life, when you’re past the age of reproduction. Evolution doesn’t care if you have a long lifespan, it cares that you reproduce successfully and your offspring reproduce. Something like Huntington’s disease didn’t matter much until we started living past 40 on a regular basis.

Sixth, not all genetic diseases are caused by inheritance, which seems to be your point, that the “bad” genes would be suppressed by evolution. Some are caused by incorrect division, like Klinefelter’s syndrome. That falls under the $#!^ happens category. There may be environmental causes but it’s not “bad” genes being passed from parent to offspring.

I suggest a Biology course, and I’m saying that in the most non-snarky way possible. You toss out one thoughtless question and run, I have to take considerable time and thought to address your question and show your errors. That is what inevitably happens to creationism. If you sit down, listen, and really consider the evidence, it’s absolutely clear. If all you do is copy n’ paste crap from teh interwebz, you are doing yourself and everyone else a disservice.

Of course the standard tactic for creationists is to blow right past the fact they posed a question that was rooted in ignorance, and throw out another question from ignorance. So do forgive me if I ignore any of your future questions. If I feel it’s an honest one, fine. If it’s moving the goalposts….go play with the other creationists. But I do hope you’ll realize your rejection of evolution is partly due to the fact you’re ignorant. Not in the insulting sense, but in the sense you actually do not understand very basic concepts of evolution and genetics. I am ignorant of basic calculus, that doesn’t mean it’s “wrong” or doesn’t exist. And I sure as hell wouldn’t argue that with somebody who has expertise in the subject.

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Aquagirl, why does a belief in God require a rejection of anything “science” offers? And as far as evolution is concerned, it’s a nice theory, but it has too many holes, inconsistencies and leaps of faith to be labeled “fact.”

LeeH1, again, I don’t see the connection between believing God created the universe and a “world without change” or a rejection of “new ideas.” A fact remains a fact regardless of your ever changing understanding of it, or the new “suppositions” you make about it based on “interpretations” of new “evidence.” You can explore to farthest reaches of existence or dissect the smallest nano-particles, and you’ll never be able to disprove a creator or explain creation with anything more than a *shrug* and a big “I dunno.”

You deride the many cultural theories of creation claiming, incorrectly, that they “change almost daily”…and yet believe yourself to be intellectually superior when you put your faith…yes, faith…in a plethora of scientific theories that actually DO change daily. Oddly enough, you seem to find the constant revision and rejection of “science” as somehow validating the truth of “science.” You do realize how bizarre that is, don’t you?

Like believing the earth is flat, because science says so…and then when science says, “oops, we got it wrong, the earth is round,” you throw away what you KNEW to be true and say, “isn’t science wonderful, now I live on a round earth”…until science comes back and says, “oops, we got it wrong, the earth is a hexacosichoron,” and again, you throw away what you KNEW to be true and say, “isn’t science wonderful, now I live on a hexacosichoron earth”…and on and on and on. Except that it isn’t even that simple…because even “science” doesn’t believe in “science,” proposing multiple theories for just about everything. Talk about “trudging up and down the blind alleys of your beliefs.”

As I said, you place a lot of faith in a belief system that is based on guesses and suppositions and changes on an almost daily basis…and yet you have the arrogance to call people who’s beliefs have been consistent and perpetually validated for thousands of years “foolish?” Really?

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And it appears you think the founding fathers were Christians instead of deists, so you’ll need to work on your history as well. You’re confusing the philosophy stemming from the Enlightenment with Christianity.

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Progress…as part of the natural evolutionary process, can you explain the Cambrian Explosion…and the almost instantaneous, and simultaneous, development of so many forms of complex eyes?

Tom…which thing about science is “true.” The Big Bang theory? Or is the truth one of the myriad of other origin theories? And which string theory is the truth…the bosonic string theory with 26 spacetime dimensions or the superstring theory with only 10 dimensions or the M-theory with 11 dimensions? Or is the entire notion of string theory bunk and the Helm theory or some other theory the “truth?” I guess we’ll just have to wait until tomorrow to find out.

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http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/ answers to all Creationist claims.

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True Creationism isn’t really about the human species, it’s about religion itself. Every belief system that has ever risen (and many fallen) on this Earth are all the “Creations” of man!!

I disagree with Bill to the extent that our children should be censored to a single belief system, instead they should be taught a broad spectrum of ideas. Then as parents, we should all have the respect to allow them the opportunity to make their own decisions, even if it is different than our own!!

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I don’t know how anyone can look at the variety of animals, plants, trees and more and NOT believe that Creationism (or Intelligent Design) isn’t a viable theory.

Physics teaches that matter can neither be destroyed. If that is true – then who or what created whatever it was that exploded in “The Big Bang?” It didn’t create itself.

If life supposedly began in some “primordial soup” – how did the primative life form that crawled out of that soup change itself into plants, trees, fish, apes, birds and then humans?

If Evolution is valid as a theory, are we to assume that humans are the highest level of evolution possible? If not… how do we decide what we want to evolve into?

Bill Nye is entertaining… but he’s woefully misguided.

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Progress, if you come back I just wanted to make a couple comments.

1. I agree with everything you said, except
2. I don’t think the Bible is inherently immoral. I think it’s amoral. It’s just a book. It’s humans who have morality and some humans use the book to derive it.

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Behe? Someone wants to use Behe as a source?

#facepalm

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It’s about time someone came out and stated it clear and simple. For too long people get away with being in denial and believing in fairy tales in the name of religious freedom. Sure believe what you want, but please don’t brainwash the children with lies and made up stories about some imaginary man in the sky.

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Tom…what was that “common ancestor?” Right…some kind of proto-ape…and before that?

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Chad,

No, you’ve got the science thing wrong.

A theory doesn’t have to be testable, etc. A hypothesis does.

How is science a myth? You don’t have a TV? You never take antibiotics?

Same thing about peer-review. Take it from someone who writes peer-reviewed stuff. A manuscript that is peer reviewed doesn’t present a theory, it presents a hypothesis that was tests.

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IRun
If a hypthesis has to be observable, testable, repeatable with a known outcome. And a theory has to be a hypothesis first. Then Theories are also observable, testable, repeatable with known outcome. Never said science was a myth, quoted someone else. And yes, again, a hypothesis goes through peer review and a theory has to be a hypothesis first, so theories have been peer reviewed.

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“Humans are primates. Physical and genetic similarities show that the modern human species, Homo sapiens, has a very close relationship to another group of primate species, the apes. Humans and the great apes (large apes) of Africa — chimpanzees (including bonobos, or so-called “pygmy chimpanzees”) and gorillas — share a common ancestor that lived between 8 and 6 million years ago. Humans first evolved in Africa, and much of human evolution occurred on that continent. The fossils of early humans who lived between 6 and 2 million years ago come entirely from Africa.”

- from Museum of Natural History/Smithsonian site http://humanorigins.si.edu/resources/intro-human-evolution

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I believe that a woman’s right to choose whether Michael Vick should be allowed to play football in spite of dogfighting allegations hinges on whether Chic-fil-A can be served at a reception for a gay wedding.

/clubs baby seal

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Dear God, I believe!!!

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Are you suggesting that there are skeletons that go against evolution? Please provide me a list.

I agree, a God can co-exist with evolution. But not the God of the Bible. The Bible has the earth being created 6016 years ago (Bishop Usher and others using Biblical lineage). Some may get into a day isn’t a day. But that is called rationalizing. I am into education, not wishing, hoping and rationalizing to make things fit. Evolution takes millions of years (in many cases) and therefore can’t co-exist. So I will accept a God could have made it is illogical to think the God of the Bible did it.

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Which “God”, Big? History has given us accounts of nearly 2,800 unique entities (just the ones we know of) that fit the broad definition of ‘god’. How did you come to believe in the ONE you did? Was it because of when/where you were born? Was it based on what your parents/family believed?

How did all the other civilizations…..current and past…..who have or had gods different from the one you’ve chosen to believe in come to follow their god or gods?

600 years ago, no native inhabitanats of the Americas had ever heard of the God of Abraham or Jesus. Today, Latin/South America is approximately 90% Catholic. Guess how that happened?

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…for all your scholarly vebosity, you may not be as smart as you think you are – wehn referring to the Bible, you used a small “b” every time you wrote the word when referring to it as a book. Since The Bible” is the name of a book, the “B” should have been capitalized…and if I recall correctly, you are the only one who made that mistake (though I must confess that I did not read each and every response after the first 100)…

And, The Bible is mostly a historical document, written by many eye witnesses, with the “stories” being passed down among generations, just as recorded history is. But, you choose not to believe it, as do others, so I guess WW1, WWII, the Roman Empire, etc did not exist either…

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It’s interesting the people on this blog who decide to threaten those who do not believe in God with the dramatic inclusion of “you’re going to hell” in their responses.

Do you understand that atheists do not believe in hell? Therefore, the threat is meaningless!

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Whether the big bang or the creation story, what do you find when you go before all of that? What was there first?

When you ponder that long enough that your head hurts and you finally realize that there is no way to fully comprehend the infinite divinity that is not only everything but all of nothing as well, then you are beginning to touch on the reality that is the divine.

To think that it is anything less extraordinary and more understandable than that is to insult the truth of the divine.

Neither western religion nor science will ever be able to see eye to eye until they both get their deluded ideas about “god” out of their heads.

I was raised an atheist by a “disgusted” catholic. I was a hard-core believer in evolution and science as the complete and total explanation for reality. I attended a Catholic high school but otherwise was religion free until I bothered to find out for myself what reality was really about. Buddhism and Hinduism provided the greatest insights I have ever found for the explanation of reality – hint – it cannot be explained, it can only be experienced.

Everyone would do well to step back from their notions of reality, do some meditation, visit a Hindu or Buddhist temple, read some great books by some of the great men/women in these religions and see for yourselves if their description of reality and the divine is not more in line with your own experience.

It is a hard thing to do – opening yourself up to reality – but most beliefs are little more than a crutch and when one’s eye’’s are opened, a whole new reality awaits.

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Betting those that DO teach their children creationism won’t give a flip about Bill Nye’s suggestion.

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*** This means if you dont believe things like the THEORY of evolution all you have to do is go dig up ONE skeleton showing that man didnt evolve sharing a common ancestor with apes. To date all skeletons show just that.

So you’re asserting that because one thing is kind of like another it means the one thing evolved from the other? And you consider that the “truth?”

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and Cobb County, please stop making us look bad to the rest of the world, you know who you are. Highly ranking science people in the system who still believe in creationism, my kids have told me some pretty disturbing stories.

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***Your opinion on 2+2 does not change the fact it = 4.*****

Other’s opinions that God doesn’t exist doesn’t make it a fact. Your opinion that believers are wrong doesn’t make it a fact.

I once heard it said “Just b/c an atheist doesn’t believe doesn’t mean they are not in relationship with God. It is just not the relationship I choose to have with Him.”

I have read text after text reporting He does/does not exist. I have questioned (and still do) everything I have ever known about Him. What I have learned has lead me to one fact:

I choose to believe due to the evidence I have accumulated in my lifetime. That makes all the difference.

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And yet there they are…always sitting, arms folded and a little pissed off at always being placed before cro-magnons on the “evolutionary” timeline.

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It pains me to see the freedom of individual thought and the right to believe being under so much attack like this. I respect Bill Nye’s opinion, just like anybody should, but I think he should have a little respect for what I believe, instead of insinuating that I lose an IQ point for every verse of scripture I take to heart. If he wants to go on believing that the world is the product of random rolls of the cosmic dice, then so be it, but for me, that’s only an opinion. I can be an intellectual and still believe in the Bible because instead of limiting myself to the prevailing thought of my culture, I’m bold enough and daring enough to think for myself and go against the grain for the God who has shaped my life. I’m on his side and people who complain about that are just well…. holding me back. ;)

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I find your lack of faith disturbing.

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“God wanted that Way” I hate that answer, I get it about once a week from my students. That answer demonstrates our problem as Americans. It is easier not to think, than it is to think.

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I am always amazed when people say that we’ve taken God out of everything and that’s ruining our society. What if it’s because people keep requiring others to believe in a particular God and pray to this God, and boast about this God, and bully and humiliate those who don’t believe in this God that’s causing all the problems?

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I have been reading through the numerous comments on this site and I must say I find it appalling as well as infuriating how many falsehoods are being blatantly posted just to prove a point that you refuse to concede to the “Opposing Team”. Within the first few posts on this website there were already people like mom and Chris who clearly do not understand how evolution works yet are deny it as a legitmate theory with a large amount of actual evidence behind it. Asides for posts like those there were also a reasonable amount of posts claiming that science is actually worthless because it never really helps anything due to the fact that it is entirely composed of theories that change on a dime. I take one look at these and then wonder how a person can be so ignorant of how science has shaped our live for the better while they are typing on a computer keyboard. There was even a post that said that because of Newtons laws there must always be a cause to an effect. However through studying quantum mechanics we learn that random and sometimes unexplicable things happen a lot. Finally there were the people that felt it was necessary to prove the because there are intelligent people who believe in God/Creation that all the people who believe in God/Creation must also be intelligent or God/Creation can not be discredited.

Aside from those various posts I would also like to discuss my stance on this matter. Although I do not believe in God and the majority of its teachings I do think that there are lessons in the Bible and other religious books that are worth noting. However when you see how likely it is for religion to be something that humans generated with their own minds I feel that it has to be discredited. For example the majority of major religions share similarities like the existence of heaven where they will be rewarded for their life on Earth. This seems to derive from the fear of death which is a natural fear that every human experiences. Religion as a whole is really just an explanation for the inexplicable; a early undeveloped attempt at what science strives to do. However religion failed to provide evidence for its wild claims which is the forefront of science. If you are part of the group of people the believes it must be true because it was written about and past down through the generations the I urge you to take a look at the game telephone. This game involves a chain of people, the person at the front will pass a phase or action to the person next to him and that person will pass it on to the next, so on and so forth. At the end of the chain you often see contorted actions or strange phrases as people could not perfectly replicate them. Now imagine this same game except with religious stories over thousands of years and you can see how easily it could have been changed from something that happened. The Bible is at this point no better than a modern day fiction novel.

To conclude my post I would like to mention what I believe Bill Nye’s intentions were when he created this video. These beliefs that people are taught from birth are ingrained in them, and it is not their fault if they believe that to be the truth because their are told it is. However these beliefs are also holding back the advance of human life on to bigger and better things. Bill was trying to tell people to eliminate that continued weight on science’s back. You may feel that it imposed on your right as a person to live in a certain way that you feel is correct. I only hope that you will take a look at what science has to present to you and make the conscious decision to change your way of life for the better.

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*** What if it’s because people keep requiring others to believe in a particular God and pray to this God, and boast about this God, and bully and humiliate those who don’t believe in this God that’s causing all the problems?

Do you have any contemporary evidence to show that believers bully and humiliate non-believers? And if so, what are “all the problems” it’s causing? If not, what’s causing “all the problems?”

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a wise man by the name of Josh McDowell once said that when you are comparing two different ideas or beliefs that you have to compare them equally. What you use against one you have to equally use against the other. I would challenge all of you to go to this website creation.com , and dont let other people make your mind up for u, but u make your own mind up.

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It troubles me to read how many people lack understanding not just of the theory of evolution, but of the scientific method and basic terms like scientific theory and hypothesis. As for those of you saying there is more evidence of creation than evolution and that you have evidence of the existence of God, you are wrong. Period. And I say that as a Christian who believes in God and that evolution is a process God created. There is absolutely no observable evidence to support my belief. Can’t prove it, can’t test it. But isn’t that the nature of faith? Believing in something beyond what we can see, hear, or touch? Why would believers push for creationism to be taught in science class or fund “scientific” institutes to prove our world is based on intelligent design? Faith is not science, so why do people want so badly to try to put it in that box? We can choose to have faith or not, but those of us who choose to have faith have to accept that we can never prove we are right and should not try to present our faith-based beliefs as facts.

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@HB, exactly. And I think overall that’s the point Bill Nye is trying to make – do not present faith-based beliefs as scientific facts; do not discourage or prevent your children from learning the scientific method. Belief in a higher power is not incompatible with the existence of science.
And, I am amazed that after 160 or so posts, no one has yet mentioned the Flying Spaghetti Monster!

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[...] Bill Nye The Science Guy: Parents, do not teach creationism Bill Nye The Science Guy has created a two-minute You Tube video for online knowledge group Big Think in which he defends evolution and ask parents not to raise creationist kids. Nye hosted a popular kids science show in the 1990s. From NBC News via … Read more on Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog) [...]

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@Intelligent Design – I would suggest you read more about genetics. You have given the ongoing existence of diseases caused by mutations as proof against evolution. In fact, quite the opposite is true.
Genetic disorders that cause disease or death are rare but continue to exist because they generally confer a competitive DISADVANTAGE to reproduction, but do not PREVENT reproduction. The most common fatal genetic disorders are autosomal recessive. That means that, EVEN WHEN both parents are carriers, only 25% of the children will have the condition. 25% will not have the genes, and 50% will live to REPRODUCE and PASS ALONG the disorder. The same is true of autosomal dominant and other types of genetic disorders, but the probabilities are different.
I resent the time it took to respond to just one of dozens of error-filled comments, but felt I had to make at least one small contribution, given the astoundingly ill-informed comments by creationists. I find it amazing that some of the comments were repeats of comments that had already been refuted in responses on this blog. Creationists don’t seem to pay attention. Or maybe they’re not strong readers. Someone posted a great website earlier – http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/. Creationists, please go and don’t come back unless you’ve read it all.
Grandma always said that some folks are dumber than a bag of hammers, are incapable of thinking critically and you’ll never convince them with reason. Sometimes that’s due to emotional immaturity, other times stunted intellect (see Quira above), other times folks are just dogmatic and aren’t open to ideas that clash with their world view. There’s nothing I can do to change that, just keep religion in Sunday School, where it belongs, and out of my kids’ science class.

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Let me guess, waterstim, top of your class? I would tell you to read Progress’s 6:54 comment or Falsehoods comment from 7:10, but I know that you only believe what your Daddy told you. That’s the only reason you’re Christian and you would be an equally fanatical muslim if you had been born in Iran. Frankly, I truly feel that people like you and the Taliban should be kept from reaping the benefits of science. All others – pardon the tirade, but I am tired of ignorance and stupidity.

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Justawasteofmytime, if you are tired of ignorance and stupidity, then you should shut the hell up. You WILL remember this moment one day.

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And Progress too (is my hero) :)

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@intelligentdesign
The defective gene isn’t being eliminated from the population, but there are less offspring.  The cumulative impact over many generations is very big. 

Mutations that cause disease, premature death, or some other disadvantage mean less offspring.

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Aquagirl

“Molecules and amino acids can arrange themselves without a programmer.”

That’s not true when it comes to making a protein. The amino acids used to make a protein are assembled in an exact, specific programmed order.

But I would like to ask a question. Computer programs sometimes have an error called a storage overlay where the program instructions get overlaid with random data, the same thing in concept to a mutation which is basically an overlay of a group of nucleotides. My question is, how often do you think that random storage overlays result in an enhanced program that works better than it did before the overlay occurred?

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Bill Nye and others like him cannot understand, or refuse to understand and accept that one can believe in creationism and yet thoroughly understand evolution. In fact, periodically news reports come out with scientist who finally come out at risk to their careers (or because they do have to worry about their careers at risk) to express their reservations and disagreements with evolution.

Furthermore, Bill Nye seems to indicate that he believes evolution has to do with every area of science, yet evolution really has more to do with biology and less to do with physics and chemistry for example. Therefore, I do not see what his problem is, unless it really is an unstated bigotry toward religion. . .

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Progress…

*** Scientists are still figuring out how gravity works. They used to think it functioned like a string with the center mass of one object pulling on the other. Now they believe that the mass of an object acts as a net and warps the space-time continuum, causing the smaller object to fall towards the larger one.

Interestingly, their lack of knowing how gravity works hasn’t prevented scientists from telling us how gravity works.

*** So, regardless of your anecdotal observations, the theory (and facts) of gravitation are still changing.

As are the facts of almost every “scientific” theory…and again, the little issue of scientists NOT knowing the facts doesn’t seem to deter them from telling us what they are.

*** Evolution is just as much an inescapable, incontestable fact. You just choose not to admit it because it contradicts your indoctrination.

I’m afraid it’s your indoctrination that prevents you from looking at the evidence honestly. It also seems to have prevented you from answering a few simple questions concerning the theory of evolution.
*** The malarkey you posted at 8:49 was just a way to rationalize and obfuscate so that you can continue to deny the truth.

Then wouldn’t this be the perfect opportunity for you to share the truth with us by answering those simple questions I asked? If you know the “truth” then the answers should be easy. I wonder why you won’t share the “truth” with us?

*** You see far too much validity in the superstitious musings of primitive hunter-gatherers and Bronze Age farmers. The historical accuracy of their stories is limited to where they were wandering and who they were at war with.

And yet you have no problem at all putting great stock in the historical accuracy of primitives like Tacitus, Livy, Suetonius, Plutarch, Josephus, etc, who were almost never in attendance at the events they chronicle. Is this simply hypocrisy, or is there some other reason you choose to believe one primitive over another?

*** To believe that their knowledge of the origins of the universe and of life are any more factual than any of the other creation myths put forth by primitive people is the height of delusion.

And yet here you are, in all your presumed intellectual superiority, claiming to know the origins of the universe and life itself. Who’s more delusional, the people who actually spoke to God, or someone who simply takes the word of “scientists” without examining the actual evidence, or even having the expertise to do so if you were so inclined?
*** But you have made it your mission to carry on the primitive myths at all cost, so no amount of reason or evidence will be of any use. Even an intervention would likely not be successful in bringing you back to the real world. Thank you for providing a living example of the sad state of education that Mr. Nye was referring to. I hope that one day you can break free from the fog and use your one life for something more positive.

So now the arrogance of elitist liberals is the definition of “enlightened?” I’m sure the other 98% of the world would agree with you. Thank you for dispelling the primitive notion of God in favor of your more “educated” point of view…or the more “educated” point of view you’ll have tomorrow after “science” has revised it’s theories yet again.

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*** Mutations that cause disease, premature death, or some other disadvantage mean less offspring.

If that were true, then negative mutations would disappear in just a few generations…and yet they don’t.

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*** People who reject the “theory” of evolution, I dare you to hold an apple at arms length and release it. And then witness the “theory” of gravity.

So now gravity proves evolution? Wow, that is “progressive.”

*** Science IS theory. If the US deprives children of the ability to think outside of what their parent’s believe, then may God help us.

Except if that person is the child of enlightened liberals…then believing what your parents believe is a sign of “enlightenment”…except that God won’t help you, because “enlightened” people don’t really believe in the “primitive” notion of God.

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Some of the comments here are frighteningly ill-informed. It is little wonder when you read this thread that people can suspend all logic and ignore all evidence to believe in Creationism. The internet really does give license to people to blather on about which they know little. I understand why Bill Nye is on high alert about this. If people are teaching their children about Creationism in the same way they are saying it on this thread, we do have a crisis on our hands. It’s simply not true people. There’s no debate, no competing theories, no great unknowns, no your opinion vs. my opinion. It’s just not true, plain and simple. People of faith don’t need to twist themselves into this pretzel of nonsense to continue believing. But, they sure should be questioning why their church demands they believe in something that defies all logic and evidence.

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If you teach your children a creation myth, how did you choose which one to teach them?

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@ “There Is No God” – You’d best accept Christ as Savior to truly find peace and happiness….because this world and us humans here within can/will NEVER provide any relief for your anger and bitterness. You’ll never be tranquil in your soul without Jesus Christ.

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@NAGA
The “God Particle” isn’t called that because it has anything to do with God. Calm down, boy.

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@Dennis
Kids love science. Don’t hide it from them. Teach them that everything needs water and sunlight to grow.
The human race will continue to pollute our water and air until we have nothing.
When we destroy our planet, no being can help us. We need to look after it, so that we can live on.
Give your kids the knowledge to make the right decisions.

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Science and religion can co-exist, but we will need more commandments.
Do not waste.
Do not destroy the environment.
Respect other species.
Return to earth what you consume.

And for God sakes. 7 billion people is too many. Stop multiplying!

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If we “evolved” from apes – then WHY are there still apes? – mom

Technically, humans still belong to ape family. If you meant the gorillas and the chimps, we all came from the same ape-like ancestry, but evolved differently.

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Bel…I think the point of the question about “why are there still apes” is why haven’t they evolved into pseudo-humans? I would also ask another question…since sight is an obvious advantage, why don’t all creatures have sophisticated eyes? Why aren’t human eyes as good at seeing in the dark as, say, a cat’s eye? Surely it would be an important advantage…why didn’t it happen? And for any of our “science” friends out there…would any of you explain how, according to your theory of evolution, how eyes could spontaneously evolve in the first place? Thanks.

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It continues to amaze me that although scientist have been wrong throughout all history yet people still continue to believe theory after theory. People have questioned the bible since its creation, but no one til this day has been able to prove its words untrue, and I strongly believe no one will. I give thanks to the people who still try to raise they’re kids on the lessons of the bible. Because many of our ancestors were raised on the idea of creation and one all loving God. You wonder why our grandparents and great grandparents had less adulters, divorces, and murders. It’s because they were raised on the godly teachings of the bible and they knew better. But with the loss of religion comes these terrible events we see before us now

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Your a science guy!? Your a quack that’s obviously getting lots of government subsidies. Before evolution can occur there must be a beginning AKA creation. The spark. The big bang… call it what you want. And how do you explain volcanic explosions with the fallout of new soils and minerals to create new life as in the Hawaiian Islands? The two are not mutually exclusive.

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Well,
Bill may not have meant to say what he said, he was just following the croanies way of donig things for the moment. Better to go along with a bad idea and survive this administration than admit the truth and, go down first. He is wrong of course. Teaching that there is a God, that he is real, that creation happened, is true and the right thing to do. At the same time, not teaching your children that the theory of evolution exists and, that even though there is no shred of proof to it, was in fact, a piece taken from a grieving mans diary of his dying daughter Emily and his explanation of why she did not survive, well, that is what we should teach. Our society should know the truth and, we should all be aware of the truth, not wrapped up in how we feel about creationism or the theory of evolution or Darwin or even Bill Nye or Alan Leshner, bless his heart. If we really want to know that truth, we must admit the failings. There were 2200 people that trasnlated the Bible and, they all did it exactly the same except two young people inexperienced at the time. The theory of evolution will always be just that, a theory. Lehninger said it best when he said, in his biochemistry book that 650 million years is not enough time to even put the stars in place, even by accident. So the next print had 2 billion years, the newest has 5.4 billion. Scientists should have measured the universe first, then printed the book. The universe, if all the stars stopped on a dime from the big bang, in perfect harmonty, would take 22 billion years roughly to put in motion. Put in motion, that is another idea we need to deal with. All of it is winding down so, if we can’t put it as a constant it had to happen all at once…sure hate it for that theory, just lost a lot of credit….maybe it is creation. Wait, nope, can’t be because that is not what we want it to be. Well, sure hate it for the ones wanting to bend the results however, the proof is in and it is a landslide on the creation side. Really wanted to believe the theory, especially about the survival of species because, that would give us the right to kill off the old, the weak, the crazy people and use them for experiments and/or for food. Guess the flag of freedom doesn’t fly on both sides of the flagpole any more huh? Wonder what would have happened if we said in the end of the civl war, we don’t want to hear from the blacks, they are getting in the way of the pure thoughts, so we will have their vocals chords removed so they can’t speak. Sound atrocious doesn’t it? Let’s all remember we are humans first, but when it comes to this country, it was founded on Godly principles, which is why it has been blessed. Take that away, and we are just another nation of people, headed for the same level of issues that the rest of the world has, only worse, since we knew better at one time…psalms 14:1

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When I look at a building, I don’t have to see the man who built it to know he exists.

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Science disproves science on this one. We know from Francesco Redi’s fruit fly and larva experiment, which is FUNDAMENTAL to scientific theory, that something CANNOT come from nothing. Let’s say the Big Bang occurred, let’s say everything we know and see and all of it’s beauty and intelligence fell into place like a trillion piece puzzle falling together perfectly out of the box, the question remains, WHERE DID THOSE ELEMENTS AND GASES COME FROM BILL NYE?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbYJfwFgOU

which WORLD-VIEW will not exist, sh*thead?

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Evolution can occur within a species. For example, a bacteria can evolve to become resistant to an antibiotic. In this example the bacteria changes yet still remains 100% a bacteria. It doesn’t become even a smidgin a virus or anything else. This type of evolution is called microevolution and is provable science.
Evolution where one species changes into another species is called macroevolution. This type of evolution has no examples or proof, yet we’re told this is real science that we must believe in. In reality, with no examples or proof, macroevolution has to be believed in through faith. Therefore, macroevolution is a religion that Bill Nye, and so many others lie about when they promote it as science.

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One of the primary tenants of darwinian evolution is that mankind evolved from lower level animal forms, and this theory is taught as if it is a proven fact in high school and college science curicullums. This, and other major tenets of the theory of evolution have never been proven through the experimental process — one of the necessary key elements of the scientific method.

“To be termed scientific, a method of inquiry MUST BE BASED ON EMPIRICAL AND MEASURABLE EVIDENCE subject to the specific principles of reasoning (emphasis added).” Moreover, four essential elements of a scientific method are required in order to prove a scientific theory is a scientific fact. These essential elements of a scientific method are orderings of: (1) characterizations; (2) hypotheses; (3) predictions; and (4) experiments.

While some pro-evolutionary theory supporters claim that the experimental process has been used to verify the theory of evolution, I know of no experiments that have been undertaken to verify any of the major tenants of evolutionary theory. If you know of any, please let me know the names and dates of those experiments. For example, once a claimed missing link, transitional human specimen, has been found, an experiment on a sample of the DNA of that specimen would have to be undertaken to prove the DNA of that claimed human missing link specimen was transitioning over from a monkey to a human. No experiment, that I know of, has scientifically proven that a missing link, transitional human specimen, has ever been found; and the same goes for claimed transitional fossil records of lower level life forms. I think many confused pro-evolutionary theory persons have confused unproven evolutionary hypotheses and predictions with experiments. In conclusion, evolution is just another unproven scientific theory and when “true believers” of this theory claim, otherwise, they exhibit blind faith in the false religion of atheistic evolutionary darwinism.

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