Was 9-year-old provoked in alleged daycare attacks? Could it be justified?

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Video of a 9-year-old kicking, biting and hitting toddlers in a daycare center has been circulating widely on Facebook. It looks like the boy in the video looks over his shoulder to make sure no one is watching and then hurts the child.

The daycare worker doesn’t appear to be aware of the strikes and was arrested.  Now the grandfather of the boy says he was provoked by one of the children.

From NBC News:

“Family members claim a 9-year-old boy shown on surveillance video attacking two children at a Vicksburg day care was provoked by one of the children.

Johnny Taylor, who said he’s the boy’s grandfather, told 16 WAPT’s Tammy Estwick that the 9-year-old was retaliating after he was scratched by an 11-month-old boy.

Surveillance video given to police by the owner of the Kiddie City Child Care Center shows the 9-year-old boy punching and biting the toddler, police said. The same 9-year-old was also captured on video repeatedly kicking the toddler’s 2-year-old sister.”

From the Vicksburg Channel 3:

“Police have since charged a daycare worker in connection with the incident.

“Sandra Trevillion was the one that was in the room most of the time and she obviously did a very poor job, and that’s what brought us to knowing that she needed to be charged for not performing her duties,” said Vicksburg Police Chief Walter Armstrong.

Trevillion is charged with two counts of contributing to the neglect of a minor. Her bond was set at $2,656.”

There’s even more craziness that a dad of one of the hurt children showed up and hit the wrong child in retaliation. He was also arrested.

What do you make of the video? What is going on in the little guy’s head? Could it have been provoked? Could it be justified even if provoked? (The daycare definitely shouldn’t have had big kids and little kids together.)

(Try be nice and constructive. It is a child.)

136 comments Add your comment

Brandy Abdon

July 27th, 2012
2:27 am

Doesn’t not make sense it is not justified. One the 9 year old child shouldn’t be hitting little toddlers like that regardless of the scratch caused . He could have done other wise told the worker at least . But not be agressive towards the toddlers . He knew what he was doing timing each attack . Imagine as much force he put could have killed those two but it didnt . Do you remember this insistent ………. In 2001, a then 14-year-old Lionel Tate was sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole in the death of 6-year-old Tiffany Eunick that had occurred two years prior. He was the youngest person the United States to ever be given that sentence. That’s not where this story ends, but let’s go back to where it began. How does this story relate well 8 years difference between the victims of both bullies in these stories

Candice d

July 27th, 2012
3:13 am

Im sorry if this 9 childs family thinks he was provoked there just as mental as the child me watching this i wsd amazed at how this child is abusing the infany and toddler honestly if this was my child doing the abuse i would think that something was wrong with him and not try to justify his sctipns clearly he has issues point blank the end

arlene

July 27th, 2012
4:32 am

This question is a joke, right? There is no justification for that type of violence towards a toddler, period!!

Roberta

July 27th, 2012
5:06 am

This child’s parents are responsible for his actions. He behaves this way because he’s allowed to behave this way.

Lynette

July 27th, 2012
5:20 am

I’m sorry what. That little monster is 9 years old and he attacked babies. When my nephew was 3 years old he scratched up my arm so badly my husband thought I had been in a fight and had lost. My nephew use to attack his older brother and scratch him up also. This little is a monster who need some help and his grandfather needs to be slapped up side his head…Is he serious…That had to be a joke statement.

shaggy

July 27th, 2012
6:38 am

Since it’s widely circulating on farcebook, it won’t be circulating to me. Didn’t. won’t, never will join that crappy load of manure.

Oh, the kid should have that fanny tore up EVERY time he does it…EVERY time.

Aunt Shell

July 27th, 2012
7:04 am

What day care puts a 9 year old and a baby in the same room!? The 9 year old obviously knows better or SHOULD know better. The little a hole needs counseling … his whole family needs counseling if they think he was provoked.

Jeff

July 27th, 2012
7:49 am

Wow Gayle. And my white counterparts who live in trailers and create the stereotype of white trash escaped your eloquent dissertation.

Because none of my fellow white kids ever bullied and acted like an “animal”, right?

How about we just call the kid what he is; a bully, a kid with a streak of violence and anger issues, etc. His race is irrelevant.

motherjanegoose

July 27th, 2012
7:50 am

Was it the aunt who said he is a NORMAL child? NO THIS IS NOT NORMAL.

As many of you know, I see lots of kids. A much bigger pool than most adults you know. I am in Florida this week and visiting my last summer camp today. I will have worked with over 600 children this week alone. So far, things have been good. There are always a few kids who catch my eye and I have to be VERY on top of things to make sure everything is going well. If you think kids are the same as they were 20 years ago, you are kidding yourself. Many see so much violence and have no manners or respect for others…they have learned this from their parents. Even if you have wonderful kids who have superb manners and are kind and gentle…there are mean kids out there. It is scary for sure. Not all child care centers are the same. In the past 15 years, I have seen some great programs and I have seen some that made me sick. I was visiting one Atlanta school, years ago, where the kids where running all around while I tried to do my show. The teachers did nothing, I DID! Right at the point of me firmly telling everyone what I expected, the Director showed up with prospective parents. Guess who never got invited back? This week, I was working with the children and the Director told me that a parent came in to see the center. She asked, “Do you have kids here…it is so quiet…I do not hear them.” She came back to show her what I was doing with the children. I have been asked back to that site! The parent enrolled the child too!

When and if I have grandkids, I will be on a mission to make sure they stay in an environment that is safe with children from homes whose parents who are able to recognize and understand what is NORMAL. Don’t kid me wrong…alll kids will misbehave at one time or another. Continuously hurting kids is NOT acceptable.

Voice of Reason

July 27th, 2012
7:52 am

That 9 year old obviously has sever mental and anger management issues. He obviously does not know the difference between right and wrong, or he just does not care.

Left unchecked, this kid becomes another James Holmes.

What idiot adult, grandfather at that, rationalizes in his mind that a 9 year old retaliating with violence to the actions done by a toddler is a valid excuse?

dawggirl95

July 27th, 2012
7:55 am

Today he’s abusing babies, in 5 years he’ll be killing people not just because he has a problem, but because his family doesn’t seem to think there is anything wrong with his behavior. When you can explain his medication and how he has issues with being mean to others, and then claim he’s “normal”, then you are contributing to the problem. I’ll bet my paycheck that his school has been dealing with the same problems from him with nothing but excuses from the parent.

Augusta

July 27th, 2012
8:02 am

Provoked by an 11 month old? REALLY????? This is INSANE, and horrible parenting at its best. WHO DEFENDS THIS CRAP?????

Roberta is ABSOLUTELY 100% correct!!!! This is why we MUST be parents to our children, not their friends. They need boundaries and limits and once those boundaries are crossed, discipline should be enforced!!!

Digusting, pure disgust!!!! This is what is wrong with out world these days.

“You are responsible for your actions, and your actions have consequences.” That was drilled into me growing up, and I have instilled that into all 4 of my children.

FCM

July 27th, 2012
8:09 am

Aunt Shell was right….what daycare puts the big kids & little kids in the same room? Even if your sibiling is the toddler you are not allowed in the room at the daycares my children attended.

This is not rational and you knew it before you posted the question.

I very rarely support sueing people. However I hope the toddlers famiy sues like crazy.

See

July 27th, 2012
8:14 am

When I see this type of behavior in a young child, I have to wonder if the child is merely copying what he has experienced. If he was hit/spanked as a 3 year old for doing 3 year old things, then he may have gotten the idea that hurting those younger/weaker than you is the acceptable way to control the situation. For example, if a kid is slapped as a 3 year old for touching something in the store (instead of having his hand removed and told, “don’t touch”) To the child, the slap is just arbitrary. They don’t understand that they shouldn’t touch things in the store. If they are hit for every inappropriate behavior with no explanation of what they did wrong, then the only thing they are being taught is to act aggressively towards those younger and weaker than they are.

Aunt Shell

July 27th, 2012
8:20 am

Sorry See, spanking doesn’t make a 9 year old act this way.

Marco

July 27th, 2012
8:22 am

We all know where that 9 year old ends up in several years. Just hope he doesn’t kill anyone in the process. It’s so sad. These are the effects of lacking strong male leadership in the household.

motherjanegoose

July 27th, 2012
8:26 am

@See…I was hit and spanked quite often as a child and NEVER would I have done that to another child. My own two were spanked ( by me their parent only) rather infrequently ( not as my first choice but when they did something severe) and THEY never did this kind of thing. I preferred other methods of punishment. While I do not think spanking should typically be the first line of defense, there are WAY to many kids out there whose parents offer no line of defense. Even a pinch on the ear would get their attention.

I was in First Class to DFW and there was a couple with their two year old daughter, seated two rows ahead of me. She was running up and down the aisles and screaming…crawling on top of them and then off of them. No…it was not ear pain. The other business travelers WERE NOT IMPRESSED as they could not concentrate on their work. They probaby had paid $700 plus for that ticket…I upgraded. Not much the flight attendants could do. That child ( to me) needed to be taken into the lav and given a stern talking to. Disrespectful parents as they think their little precious is the best and not interested in what everyone else has to do. It starts when they are small…I will never back down on that one.

Augusta

July 27th, 2012
8:31 am

@See – therein lies a problem. Spanking gets a child’s attention a lot quicker than their hand being removed and talked to…..there’s your pansy society, you are a follower……

I was spanked as a child, and I have swatted my kids. Not bend over the knee and spank, but I have gotten their attention and they straightened up.

Augusta

July 27th, 2012
8:32 am

And kids are not afraid of their parents. We were scared to death…..we got the threats “Wait till your father gets home”..there was NOTHING that scared me more than to hear that sentence come out of my mother’s mouth….

Becky

July 27th, 2012
8:38 am

No, that it not normal for a nine year old..I have two that just turned 10 and they would of never hit a baby like that..If the grandfather thinks he is justifying this by saying it was the 11 month olds fault, then he’s certifiable…

Yes, kids of that age (9) can have tempers, but it should never be that bad..Guess, I should thank my lucky stars that my two don’t act like that even when they are being “bad”

@Gayle..Wow..You don’t think that white kids can act that way also? I have a nephew that has a 7 year old and in a few years, I see him being in juvie…He is always in trouble at school and is the only child I know that was suspended from Kindergarten 6 times..Every time that he gets in trouble at school, he threatens to kill himself and the parents always blame it on the teachers and people at school..So go ahead and blame it just on black kids if that’s the best that you can do,,

shaggy

July 27th, 2012
8:38 am

WHAP! WHAP! WHAP!…the sound that should be coming from that kid’s butt, EVERY time, and I mean EVERY time this kid even talks about doing something like this.
Anything less, and it will continue, get worse, mold into thuggery, rob, rape, and kill…you get the drift? Whine about it all you want, but this kid has no discipline, boundaries, because it is not in his experience, and that is where WHAP! WHAP! WHAP! comes in. He would associate this behavior with WHAP! WHAP! WHAP! and stop.

See

July 27th, 2012
8:40 am

Any type of discipline for a child needs to be in a context the child can understand. Imagine a child who is developmentally slow and is not told WHY he is being hit. I work with emotionally/behavorially disabled children…children just like the boy shown in the video. We teach these children through rewarding desirable behavior and taking away privileges for undesirable behavior. We also CLEARLY state what kind of behavior is appropriate and what isn’t. It’s long, it’s time-consuming, but it does work if the parents are consistent with it at home as well.

Please don’t confuse the issue by dragging in unrelated content. I’m not talking about permissive parents. That also is a problem, but those children don’t generally show violent behavior. The typical behavior of those children is, as you’ve witnessed, generally unaware of the disturbance they are causing others.

motherjanegoose

July 27th, 2012
8:47 am

@See…I did not see this in your first post…sorry I missed it…
I work with emotionally/behavorially disabled children…children just like the boy shown in the video.

BTW…we almost always drag in unrelated content…what happens in our lives is not always related to the topic but often makes for interesting discussions here. I am about to “celebrate” my 7th year hanging out here this month…I remember the first blog I read. It was about something I had witnessed and was interviewed for in the AJC. Got my attention when TWG put it up on this blog.

See

July 27th, 2012
8:50 am

I have 6 boys. They always behave well in public, and I don’t spank. Believe me, it wasn’t easy, but everytime they acted up in public I explained what they were doing wrong (i.e. “You do not get out of your seat”) and then I enforced a discipline measure…such as leaving the restaurante with the offending child. I once left a McDonalds after I had already paid for the meal because my kids were behaving badly. Believe me, driving away when their fries were so close to being eaten made a big impact. Sure, it would have been easier to turn around and smack them, but who said parenting was easy.

shaggy

July 27th, 2012
8:51 am

See,

It’s about WHAP! WHAP! WHAP! followed by I did this BECAUSE I love you. Simple as that. Show the discipline and the love. The child WILL respond. One without the other is an exercise in futility.

See

July 27th, 2012
8:52 am

Sorry, I have 5 boys..typo

JOD

July 27th, 2012
9:03 am

Hubs found this video and I could not watch it. This kid is seriously disturbed, and this is a prime case of why we pay through the nose for child care. The lack of supervision and care is nauseating.

@MJG and homeschooler – I have no doubt you could pick this kid and others like him out from 50 paces.

Hubs – a cop – predicts that this kid will be a bonified murderer before he is 20, and I don’t doubt that. He was constantly looking around to ensure no one was watching – he 100% meant to do what he did. He wanted to see how far he could go before he got caught.

No 11-month-old’s ’scratch’ could provoke that kind of evil and violence. This kid needs serious help, and his ignorant family either continually condones it because they are the same way, or they just aren’t paying enough attention to see it. He will certainly become society’s problem in a few years.

JOD

July 27th, 2012
9:05 am

Sorry – meant to say ‘watch it all’. I saw enough to make me ill, and wish I could ‘unwatch it’.

ATL06

July 27th, 2012
9:06 am

I refuse to believe that they did not know that little boy was violent. When I saw that video 2 days ago I was floored. They need to lock everyone that works in that daycare center up. First of all too many kids of varying ages are in the same room and there was not enough supervision. That little boy obviously needs psychiatric help. Maybe someone is doing to him what he is doing to the those children.

motherjanegoose

July 27th, 2012
9:09 am

@See…I will agree with you that spanking is the easiest method to use and not the most creative. It was what my parents and my husband’s parents used. We got more than our fair share and bruises too. Many parents today, do not have the skills nor patience to follow through with what you suggested. Some simply do not have the money to leave their dinner on the table and walk out. So, with everyone saying spanking is wrong and them feeling like they have no other choice….they do nothing. I appreciate creative parenting and commend those who are able to follow through. It shows in their kids. Not all parents have the tools to do this ( or the logic and reasoning skills.) Parents today are tired and confused. Children too!

See

July 27th, 2012
9:11 am

I read about a grandfather who forced his grandson to kneel on his knees ion the hard bathroom floor with his arms behind his back for 9 hours a day. He stated that he was disciplining the boy…it’s what his father did to him. Another woman beat her 3 year old with a tree branch until he had bruises from the top of his head to the bottom of his feet. Once again, her defense was that this is how they disciplined children in Haiti. After all, it’s what happened to her. Of course, there is also the stepfather who continually beat his stepson with a belt until a neighbor caught it on video tape. The father of the man claimed that he only hit him on the butt, so it was okay.

So where is the line drawn? I’m not saying that an occasional smack on the butt is going to ruin a child, but after a short time period, the occasional smack may not have the desired effect. The child becomes used to it, so then what? Spank harder? Spank longer? Use a belt? Spank until he cries?

There are other discipline measures that will work immediately. Leaving a place that the child wants to be is very effective. They get the message quickly, if I act up, we’re gone. Ignoring a child who is throwing a tantrum because he wants a brownie is also effective. Giving in isn’t an option, but getting mad and spanking is just as bad. He’s MAD, and if he can get you mad too, then it’s satisfying. Completely ignoring him offers no satisfaction, and he learns to handle his disappointment in other ways.

Shocked

July 27th, 2012
9:20 am

There is no justification for this. Either that child is pure evil or the family that raised him is and has ruined this child for life.
(Try be nice and constructive. It is a child.) what a joke, this is a intimate look into the life of a death row inmate before he mass murders people.

Carnac

July 27th, 2012
9:22 am

Answer:

shaggy
July 27th, 2012
6:38 am

Oh, the kid should have that fanny tore up EVERY time he does it…EVERY time.

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Question is:

What Jerry Sandusky says to himself…..

See

July 27th, 2012
9:27 am

MotherJane,

I wasn’t always patient or in control, and we are 7 people living off of a teacher’s salary, so you know I’m not that well off, either :). We started out spanking, it was what my mother did. She used a belt. I remember one specific incident when I was very young when I was coming into her room, and she told my not to go in there. I remember I just felt so impelled to go into the room (little children lack impulse control). I went into the room a little ways, and then turned and ran out. She grabbed the belt and I ran away. I remember running thorugh the house, trying to hide. I was so scared. She got me in a corner and just beat the heck out of me. I still remember that, and not in a good way.

It was that incident that caused me to rethink the way I discipline my children. I did a lot of reading, and found other methods. My husband, however, still spanked. One day, though, he had an epiphany. He got frustrated and said blamed me for undermining him while he was at work. I was shocked at his accusation. It turns out, he was frustrated because the kids always listened to me, but not to him. Finally, he was willing to listen to what I was doing. He is completely sold on this discipline method. Be specific about what you want and want you don’t want (”you behave” is up for interpretation) and make the punishment clear in advance. For older kids, you can simply say I’m not sure what the punishment will be, but you won’t like it. Not an empty threat. It may mean cleaning the kitchen after dinner all week. It may mean having your DS taken away. It may mean paying me out of the money you saved up to clean up your mess. (Oh yeah, I love that one!)

Placenta Omelet

July 27th, 2012
9:28 am

Do you suppose this kid learned his violent tendencies from being hit himself? It amazes me that most everyone’s reaction to this is more violence.

Were you born retarded, or did this happen later in life?

bob

July 27th, 2012
9:31 am

It was not only a scratch ! Prior to the beating the 11 month old looked at the 9 year old the wrong way. The 11 month old will not dis a nine year old again.

Lynn

July 27th, 2012
9:32 am

Are you serious?! If the grandfather and parents feel this way, that would explain why the child acts that way!! They all need help!

The Reverend Baby Doctor Bedpan

July 27th, 2012
9:35 am

What does it mean when a church burns to the ground? You would think that if God were real, he/she would have at least saved a church…….Kind of funny really.

Father Christmas

July 27th, 2012
9:36 am

Young thug-in-training. Lock him up for a few days in juvy.

Augusta

July 27th, 2012
9:44 am

That child is nothing more than a thug in training. And the day care workers can’t be bothered to do their jobs. The woman they interviewed can’t even speak correct English. Losers, all of them, and unfortunately we will be the ones raising this child with our tax dollars.

Thererfore, this child is a victim of his envirornment, and it will continue….nothing ever changes with that element of society. Trash pure trash. His parents need to be locked up.

P. Nussman

July 27th, 2012
9:47 am

You didn’t tell us we had to sit through a 30 second commercial before we could see the actual video…..A false commercial at that……Yeah right…..A man that is a worse driver than a woman? Funny.

Denise

July 27th, 2012
9:49 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IljcW6xm0xI&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And there is more foolishness to the story. The babies’ father came and slapped the wrong child at the day care after being told the wrong kid hit his children.

I do believe this little boy is going to be trouble TOMORROW, not just 5 years from now. He needs intervention NOW or he will be in juvie by 14. I usually do not speak things like this over someone’s life but he is in trouble right now and he needs help right now. Could it be a discipline issue? Yes. Probably is. 9 year olds don’t just come up with this kind of mess AND know to look around to make sure no one is watching. Maybe he’s had NO discipline or maybe he’s learned that hitting is how you handle your differences. (I am pro-spanking. I don’t think it causes children to equate hitting with handling your differences with violence.) Could it be a mental health issue? Yes. That kind of anger is over the top for a 9 year old. WHATEVER the issue is, he needs to get help right now before he hurts someone else more severely, hurts himself, or gets hurt.

TAWANDA

July 27th, 2012
9:52 am

This child appears to be demonstrating spiteful bullying behavior which could be the result of something he himself has experienced. It may be possible that either someone older is bullying him at home or he has been subjected to a bullying environment. Bullying does not only take place between children it’s an adult issue as well. This child needs to receive some intervention counseling because unfortunately punishing him his not the solution in this case. This does not justify his behavior it just sheds some light on it. This situation could have been avoided had the person responsible staff employment carefully selected persons who had the safety of the children at heart. That is the person to blame as well as those who did not immediately come to the aid of the crying children. Also, you never turn your back on children they rely on us to keep them safe and out of harms way, you should have a clear view of them at all times!

With the children at heart

jen

July 27th, 2012
10:02 am

Remember the father who videotaped himself disciplining his son and everyone was outraged and a year later the son died from gun violence. I got a feeling this boy before he turns 18 there will be a tragic update. I don’t think he’s normal. Him as well as his family needs therapy.

Big Red

July 27th, 2012
10:29 am

Lock up the Grand dad too………. yeah rite 11 month provoked him….. just some bulls&^%

Mattie

July 27th, 2012
10:30 am

Can anybody give me one good reason why footage such as this needs to be plastered all over the internet? None of us are privy to any background on this boy, so who are we to decide what should be done with him?

Father Christmas

July 27th, 2012
10:33 am

The social media and the people at large decide everything these days – where have you been?

Father Christmas

July 27th, 2012
10:36 am

It’s the modern day equivalent of the crowd chanting “release Barabbas” or “drown the witch”.

Stunned

July 27th, 2012
10:49 am

Provoked? That is just too stupid of a question to answer.
The boy obviously comes from a terrible family. The aunt is uneducated to say the least. This day care should be shut down for so many reasons. No normal child would behave that way. He is obviously neglected by his family. Those ages of children should not be together. He needs a good whipping but I don’t think anything will help him. He is a future killer. His aunt needs to go to school and his grandfather needs to be whipped upside the head. Not ghetto at all….I am sickened by this video and stunned that his family is trying to come up with excuses for him. His family should NOT procreate.

DB

July 27th, 2012
10:57 am

Provoked? Probably — because a 9 year “who has a problem and takes medicine every day” already has issues and being provoked would be all in his head, but still real to him, in some way. But what in the hell was a 9 year old doing unsupervised in a room full of toddlers in the first place? What a CRAPPY day care, that would allow that kind of interaction!

There’s so many things wrong with this scenario that I think there is plenty of blame to spread around. The child, for his violence and lack of control, his family for enabling him, the day care for allowing him to interact with the toddlers (don’t tell me that they had no clue his behavior was abnormal).