8 states highest skipping vaccinations: How many unvaccinated kids are OK in a class? Exemptions OK?

An Associated Press analysis has found that parents in eight states, mainly in the West and Mid-West, are opting out of immunizations for their kids at a much higher rate than in other parts of the country.

For its review, the AP asked state health departments for kindergarten exemption rates for 2006-07 and 2010-11. The AP also looked at data states had previously reported to the federal government. (Most states don’t have data for the current 2011-12 school year.)

Alaska had the highest exemption rate in 2010-11, at nearly 9 percent. Colorado’s rate was 7 percent, Minnesota 6.5 percent, Vermont and Washington 6 percent, and Oregon, Michigan and Illinois were close behind.

In some rural counties in northeast Washington, for example, vaccination exemption rates in recent years have been above 20 percent and even as high as 50 percent.

Mississippi was lowest, at essentially 0 percent.

Here is more from The Associated Press: (It’s a long story story so I bolded the big points.)

“ATLANTA (AP) — More parents are opting out of school shots for their kids. In eight states now, more than 1 in 20 public school kindergartners aren’t getting all the vaccines required for attendance, an Associated Press analysis found.”

That growing trend among parents seeking vaccine exemptions has health officials worried about outbreaks of diseases that once were all but stamped out.

The AP analysis found more than half of states have seen at least a slight rise in the rate of exemptions over the past five years. States with the highest exemption rates are in the West and Upper Midwest.

It’s “really gotten much worse,” said Mary Selecky, secretary of health for Washington state, where 6 percent of public school parents have opted out.

Rules for exemptions vary by state and can include medical, religious or — in some states — philosophical reasons.

Reasons for skipping some school shots vary. Some parents are skeptical that vaccines are essential. Others fear vaccines carry their own risks. Some find it easier to check a box opting out than the effort to get the shots and required paperwork schools demand. Still others are ambivalent, believing in older vaccines but questioning newer shots against, say, chickenpox.

The number of shots is also giving some parents pause. By the time most children are 6, they will have been stuck with a needle about two dozen times — with many of those shots given in infancy. The cumulative effect of all those shots has not been studied enough, some parents say.

“Many of the vaccines are unnecessary and public health officials don’t honestly know what the effect of giving so many vaccines to such small children really are,” said Jennifer Margulis, a mother of four and parenting book author in Ashland, Ore.

But few serious problems have turned up over years of vaccinations and several studies have shown no link with autism, a theory from the 1990s that has been widely discredited.

To be sure, childhood vaccination rates remain high overall, at 90 percent or better for several vaccines, including those for polio, measles, hepatitis B and even chickenpox. In many states, exemptions are filed for fewer than 1 percent of children entering school for the first time.

Health officials have not identified an exemption threshold that would likely lead to outbreaks. But as they push for 100 percent immunization, they worry when some states have exemption rates climbing over 5 percent. The average state exemption rate has been estimated at less than half that.

Even more troubling are pockets in some states where exemption rates much higher. In some rural counties in northeast Washington, for example, vaccination exemption rates in recent years have been above 20 percent and even as high as 50 percent.

“Vaccine refusers tend to cluster,” said Saad Omer, an Emory University epidemiologist who has done extensive research on the issue.

While parents may think it does no harm to others if their kids skip some vaccines, they are in fact putting others at risk, health officials say. No vaccine is completely effective. If an outbreak begins in an unvaccinated group of children, a vaccinated child may still be at some risk of getting sick.

Studies have found communities with higher exemption rates sometimes are places where measles have suddenly re-emerged in outbreaks. Vaccinated kids are sometimes among the cases, or children too young to be vaccinated. Last year, California had more than 2,100 whooping cough cases, and 10 infants died. Only one had received a first dose of vaccine.

“Your child’s risk of getting disease depends on what your neighbors do,” said Omer.

And while it seems unlikely that diseases like polio and diphtheria could ever make a comeback to the U.S., immunization expert Dr. Lance Rodewald with the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention says it could happen.

“Polio can come back. China was polio free for two decades, and just this year, they were infected from Pakistan, and there is a big outbreak of polio China now. The same could happen here,” Rodewald said in an email.

He cited outbreaks of Hib, a disease that can lead to meningitis, among the Amish who don’t consistently vaccinate their children. Russia had a huge diphtheria outbreak in the early to mid-1990s, he said, because vaccine coverage declined. “Measles is just visible, but it isn’t the only concern,” Rodewald said.

For its review, the AP asked state health departments for kindergarten exemption rates for 2006-07 and 2010-11. The AP also looked at data states had previously reported to the federal government. (Most states don’t have data for the current 2011-12 school year.)

Alaska had the highest exemption rate in 2010-11, at nearly 9 percent. Colorado’s rate was 7 percent, Minnesota 6.5 percent, Vermont and Washington 6 percent, and Oregon, Michigan and Illinois were close behind.

Mississippi was lowest, at essentially 0 percent.

The AP found that vaccine exemptions rose in more than half of states, and 10 had increases over the five years of about 1.5 percentage points or more, a range health officials say is troubling.

Those states, too, were in the West and Midwest — Alaska, Kansas, Hawaii, Illinois, Michigan, Montana, Oregon, Vermont, Washington and Wisconsin. Arizona saw an increase that put that state in the same ballpark.

Exemption seekers are often middle-class, college-educated white people, but there are often a mix of views and philosophies. Exemption hot spots like Sedona, Ariz., and rural northeast Washington have concentrations of both alternative medicine-preferring as well as government-fearing libertarians.

There’s more to this story about how states record their data but I thought it was getting too long. So click on the link if you want to read even more.

I did postpone on some of the shots and spread them out some until I was comfortable giving them. I always discussed it with the doctor and while he encourage me to get them he was OK doing it on my schedule for a few of them. However, each child has had what was required by the schools by the time they started school. I think you feel a little better when they are older and you know they can walk and talk. It’s interesting that Arizona is listed as a state exempting a lot. Now I am wondering what is going on their classrooms — how many kids have them and how many do not.

So what do you think: Why do think states in the West and Midwest are rejecting the vaccinations at a higher rate?

How would you feel about your kids going to school with 5 percent of the population not immunized? What about 10 percent? What about 20 percent? Where is your comfort level? Should exemptions be given or should parents who want to opt out have to homeschool or go to non-vaccinated schools?

91 comments Add your comment

motherjanegoose

November 28th, 2011
3:07 pm

On a related note…our daughter needed her flu shot and I wanted her to get it over the college break last week. She hemmed and hawed. She does not like needles. She is lucky that this is typically the only shot she gets all year. I was getting impatient with her. My husband came up with a brilliant idea:”Did you room mates ( at her apt.) get their shots? ” She thought she had him there, “NO!”
He then said, ” Well, when you are on death’s bed with the flu it is doubtful they will want to come in and take care of you if you are contagious. Your mother and I are not coming out either,” I was very impressed with that line! She did not get one while in HS, so she thinks she does not need one now. Her brother told her that she will be in contact with SO many germs from going all over the campus. Yes, she got her flu shot!

I did not get a shot for years but after a good friend got deathly ill, I am NOT taking any chances! 15 seconds of pain and an achy arm is a good trade off, for me.

Figment

November 28th, 2011
3:15 pm

Hasn’t this topic been beaten to death recently? I swear we covered this months ago.

mom2alex&max

November 28th, 2011
3:19 pm

This topic is going to get really ugly really quick.

My children are vaccinated and I expect the other children at their school to be vaccinated too. It takes a herd protection to truly eliminate a disease and all these people are doing is setting us back to the Middle Ages.

Jeff

November 28th, 2011
3:34 pm

But how can this be? I thought all the anti government, uneducated hicks were in the south? Lol. Hope everyone had safe holiday travels.

Techmom

November 28th, 2011
4:05 pm

It does not surprise me that all the tree-hugging hippies out west don’t vaccinate their kids- alternative medicine is huge out there. I don’t knock alternative medicine out right (I love my chiropractor and take vitamins) but vaccinations protect everyone and should not be discounted just because you don’t think your kid is going to get a specific disease. I am a bit surprised at how high the numbers are in the midwest. We’re headed to Michigan for Christmas, I’ll have to remember to bring it up with my cousins who have children and see what they think about it.

I do understand some concern with so many vaccinations in infants but like TWG, I believe that nearly all children should have all their vaccinations by the time they’re ready to enter school.

motherjanegoose

November 28th, 2011
4:31 pm

@ Jeff…if Newt and Herman end up on the Republican ticket together, I am wondering if Yankees could ever vote for two southern boys to run the country. As much flack as I hear from people who put down southerners it will be interesting, to say the least. Just a random thought I have had on a slow day :). I know plenty of intelligent people from all across the country and plenty of foolish ones too!

jarvis

November 28th, 2011
4:32 pm

This won’t be an issue in two generations because all of their kids will be dead.

mom2alex&max

November 28th, 2011
5:19 pm

jarvis: however harsh, you do have a point. The problem is, they are not only endangering their children (which I have to care about, because they cannot make decisions for themselves), but they are ALSO endangering MINE!

Herd immunity means that AT LEAST 80 to 85% of the population must be vaccinated in order to prevent the spread of diseases such s polio, measles, etc. So if you have populations when as much as 50% of the population is NOT vaccinated, then the whole community is at risk, including the vaccinated ones!

Plus, the are free loaders. The only reason they can afford to not be vaccinated without dying is because they are counting on the rest of us to do so. But if enough people decide not to do it, then we are back to the times when kids died of polio and whooping cough. Irresponsible at best, criminal at worst.

Lynn

November 28th, 2011
5:22 pm

If these parents want to skip vaccinations for their children then they need to skip public school as well. These parents rely on the herd immunity of the other children. If they truly believe it is okay to not vaccinate then they need to isolate their children to like unvaccinated children so that infants and children with immune issues who can’t be vaccinated don’t die from these personal decisions.

mom2alex&max

November 28th, 2011
5:23 pm

In my opinion, the ONLY exceptions should be given to kids with immune disorders and organ transplant recipients. If they want to free load, they can home school.

DB

November 28th, 2011
5:33 pm

I love how those parents are freeloading off of other children’s parents responsible behavior. They don’t think measles and mumps can’t damage a kid? They’re living in la-la land. The ironic thing is that it is their children that will have to pay for their mistakes — not them (they are probably already vaccinated), and not mine — who ARE vaccinated. They have all the “facts” on vaccination side effects — I wonder if they have all the similar facts on the side effects that they are exposing their child to if their child DOES come down with any of these diseases? Measles ain’t pretty, folks, and if you think the side effects on kids are bad, you should see the side effects on unborn children — which will also start to rise as these morons start skating through life living off of other people’s vaccinations.

Katie

November 28th, 2011
5:36 pm

I agree completely with those who point out that the un-vaccinated are freeloading on the backs of the vaccinated. The only way parents can justify not vaccinating their children is through explicitly or implicitly counting on the fact that the majority of the “herd” is vaccinated. I, too, spread the vaccinations out over time so that my children didn’t have to receive six or seven vaccines (through combined vaccinations) in one visit. I had the time and the money to make those repeat visits to the doctor and I felt safer doing so. By the time my children started school, they had had all the required vaccines. Fortunately, I don’t have to worry that unvaccinated children will be in school with my kids as a child can’t come to our school without an up to date GA vaccination form…no exceptions/exemptions.

Beta

November 28th, 2011
5:41 pm

re.motherjanegoose
4:31PM

Off subject. Newt was born in PA, so he’s not a Southener. (Thank goodness!). Mr. Cain, born in Tennessee, qualifies.

; ~ )

Parent

November 28th, 2011
5:53 pm

All we can hope is that the unvaccinated kids get sick and die. It would serve their parents right. And the government that does not require 100% vaccinations.

augustine

November 28th, 2011
5:55 pm

Alex2Max unvaccinated kids do not endanger ANYONE. You seem to have bought into fear based arguments. You’re making unsubstantiated claims and erroneous assumptions.

If you’d like to argue the facts i’d be happy to talk each vaccine and each disease in context. By generalizing about the “idea” of vaccination and herd immunity you will no doubt be in error. All vaccines aren’t the same. All diseases aren’t the same. All people aren’t the same. And the risks are not homogenous to all.

But the health policy denies this. It’s a one size fits all policy.

Oh, and vaccines can cause permanent neurological damage to children who most likely would not have suffered any permanent sequelae from any infectious disease.

BenB

November 28th, 2011
5:58 pm

No Exemptions!

mom2alex&max

November 28th, 2011
6:08 pm

augustine: the one that drank the Kool-aid is you. Do whatever you want, just keep your kid the heck away from mine.

augustine

November 28th, 2011
6:13 pm

Parent: “All we can hope is that the unvaccinated kids get sick and die. It would serve their parents right. And the government that does not require 100% vaccinations.”

Why would you want someones’ kid to die? To prove that your ideals are correct? To prove that you’re right?

This shows the heart of some one like Parent. They are actually concerned with children or others. Their motivation is to simply be right. And herd immunity sounds about right to them. Individual choice to vaccinate is a right. Mass vaccination is an ideology.

I believe that most who vaccinate and believe in vaccination don’t have this drastic viewpoint. But the skepitc brand of scientists are pushing this dangerous world view in order to divide neighbor against neighbor.

Again if you want to talk disease, vaccine, and statistics I’d be happy to have an intelligent discussion. You’ll see that the decision to not vaccinate, for many, is rational and educated. Take away the fear and the arguments like alex and Parent start to fall apart.

augustine

November 28th, 2011
6:16 pm

Alex: “augustine: the one that drank the Kool-aid is you. Do whatever you want, just keep your kid the heck away from mine.”

Why? M kids aren’t sick. Why doesn’t you vaccine work anyway? Are you scared it will fail. I thought vaccinating would cure you of that fear?

Your reasoning doesn’t make any rational sense. It’s most likely based on rhetorical arguments, not science.

The Real Deal

November 28th, 2011
6:22 pm

Wow, augustine! i though everyone had bought into the drugged up culture that we live in! i was afraid only half the population knew the truth. i concur completely with you and am probably more qualified to talk on this subject than anyone ive seen here spewing uneducated propaganda they heard on tv! the truth is that some vaccines are doing more harm than good. antibiotics are the same but they are ALL doing more harm than good. mom2alex&max, i can tell you care, but you are simply wrong. i have some friends who have never had a vaccine or antibiotic in thier life! they got sick when they were kids, and then, when they grew up, they have been sick maybe twice in thier adult lifes, no doctor visits, some vaccines i recomend, some i don’t, like the flu vaccine. have you seen the percentage of people that get sick immediatly after taking the vaccine? its over 78%. from what i can tell most of you have no expertise in this area and are simply ignorant, no offence.

augustine

November 28th, 2011
6:22 pm

Mom2Alex: “So if you have populations when as much as 50% of the population is NOT vaccinated, then the whole community is at risk, including the vaccinated ones!”

Please explain why your vaccine fails when your neighbors don’t vaccinate. I didn’t know that the vaccine somehow knew what the area vaccine coverage was. Again, another senseless argument.

Also whooping cough vaccine doesn’t work on herd immunity like you believe it does. If me or my child got whooping cough vaccine it does not protect your child from whooping cough. YOu’ve been a victim of fearmongering and vaccine campaign.

Parent

November 28th, 2011
6:31 pm

It is called the law of natural consequences. If you don’t vaccinate your child and he/she gets sick and dies from a preventable disease, that is on your conscience. Your kids could also be a “typhoid Mary”.

I am sure you believe that vaccines would give your kids autism, even though that has been completely debunked.

The Real Deal

November 28th, 2011
6:34 pm

i happen to be a doctor, and another thing, thats not a scientific law.

motherjanegoose

November 28th, 2011
6:48 pm

@ Beta…there you go…I learned something! FYI… I was born in Chicago and most of my clients consider me a southerner…I have been here 22 years and counting. Thanks!

Parent

November 28th, 2011
6:48 pm

Yea, you are a doctor, I am sure. BS alert! Look at the post above.

” have you seen the percentage of people that get sick immediatly after taking the vaccine? its over 78%. from what i can tell most of you have no expertise in this area and are simply ignorant, no offence.”

78% get sick right after their flu vaccine? Not at the company I work for. We gave the flu shots and I would have noticed if 78% got sick. I was certainly not in the 78%.

BTW, it is spelled OFFENSE.

John

November 28th, 2011
6:56 pm

Augustine, from what nut-job did you pick up your “facts”? Jenny McCarthy?

The Real Deal

November 28th, 2011
6:58 pm

I’m not a medical doctor, but i do know a fair amount about bacteria and viruses.

atlmom

November 28th, 2011
7:17 pm

When I was in college, I spent a semester in France. One of the (american) students in the program got the mumps. Apparently, she hadn’t been vaccinated because she had gone to catholic school, and the university where we went didn’t require vaccinations at the time (I suppose they do not).
None of the rest of us got the mumps, and all of us thought that it was highly unusual to *get* the mumps in the first place. But, presumably, the rest of us had had our shots (many years before). I don’t understand the idea behind not vaccinating your child. I do understand not going with the schedule that the pediatrician has (although we did). It makes sense to do what one can to keep one’s children healthy, and this is one of those things.

As for Newt and Cain…I believe not too long ago this country voted for a ticket of Clinton and Gore, who were from Arkansas and Tennessee.

atlmom

November 28th, 2011
7:20 pm

I have been in the south for 17 years, almost half my life. I believe that to some people I will never be anything but a carpet bagging gold digging yankee.

Parent

November 28th, 2011
7:23 pm

I am not a medical doctor but I stayed in Holiday Inn Express last night and caught some bacteria and viruses, so I am now an expert.

jarvis

November 28th, 2011
7:36 pm

@augustine, the vacination while not being 100% effective is more like 90% effective. See the stats about the infants in California quoted in the article above. Did you read the article, or are you just jumping to the fact that vaccines don’t work….cause you know Polio took care of itself and all.

Really?

November 28th, 2011
7:40 pm

HAHAHA What a pompous jerk! “i happen to be a doctor.” Give me a break. You happen to suck at grammar, capitalization, and punctuation too. If you are not an epidemiologist or have a doctorate in the medical field, you have no right to try and ‘teach’ people all of your fake expertise. You ought to keep your fake statistics to yourself…but of course, no “offence”

The Real Deal

November 28th, 2011
7:49 pm

I have a doctorate in ichthyology and marine sciences and I specialize in diseases in fishes. One of my main hobbies right now though is the oral morphology of marine fish. however, i spent 15 years in the USAF as a trauma medic. and before that I worked with the CDC as an investigator. so, i have “a little” experiance in these matters.(and probably more LIFE experiance than you)

carlosgvv

November 28th, 2011
8:17 pm

This only confirms that the dumbing down of America is not slowing down but, if anything, speeding up.

Diana Allen

November 28th, 2011
8:31 pm

I would like to know if anyone responding to this article knows anyone that has a child with Autism or perhaps has a child with Autism. I usually find that people that don’t have a child with Autism are usually cold, indifferent, and very defensive about something they don’t have a clue about. I’ve had a chance to talk to many parents of autistic kids while waiting in the waiting room many hours a week while my autistic child receives therapy. Many of us have the same story. Our children were meeting all of there developmental milestones on time up until a certain point. My child developed normally until around 13- 15 months old. Before her 12 month immunizations, she had said maybe a few words, could look us in the eyes, interact with us and everything. She sat up and crawled on time and again, everything was great. After the shots she began to regress. She could no longer respond or talk to us. She said NO words anymore. She would only jargon all day and night. She began to have night terrors, find hard things to bang her head on, and be insensitive to pain. She would eat things that normally developing children would not dare eat. She would have terrible tantrums. She could no longer look us in the eyes or even comprehend the smallest command. She learned how to open a door when she was 4. She was not potty trained until she was 5 because she could not understand no matter what we did. She still is mostly non-verbal, but Jesus is continuing to heal her everyday! She can say a few sentences from scripting, but still cannot have a conversation with you. Oh, and by the way.. she is 7 years old. She still puts things in her mouth that she shouldn’t like the metal and eraser on a pencil. She has the extreme need to bite objects. Do you need me to go on? I have a lot more. I’m saying all of this to say: You can treat us (those who are not big on vaccinations) as a cult all you want. Until you have lived it you couldn’t possibly understand. My baby was fine until after her 12 month vaccinations. She had no allergies what so ever and was perfectly healthy. Oh, I didn’t mention that she has just about every allergy you could think of including peanuts.(She ate peanut butter without any problems before her regression) AND she also has seizures. I have 3 other children and it is my job to make sure this doesn’t happen to them and I have. I love them too much to take some strangers word and trust them. Doctors work for a paycheck and usually care less if your child turns into a perfect stranger when you get home. I have so much to say but don’t have the time. Let me sum this up… I firmly know and believe that my child is Autistic because of vaccinations although most of you wouldn’t believe me. It doesn’t matter. I know what happenend. I know my child and I know what I’ve been through. You can call me stupid, dumb, ignorant, or whatever you like. All I know is none of my other children have autism and it is going to stay that way. We choose to vaccinate later and on our time schedule. NOT the CDC’s!

Concerned

November 28th, 2011
8:43 pm

who gives peanut butter to a 1 year old?

Exempt

November 28th, 2011
8:43 pm

Wow, what an insensitive bunch of idiots you all are….Unvaccinating children should be decided on a case by case basis. My child recieved her vaccinations and developed a fever a few hours later, she has since regressed in her motor development, speech and balance which has cost us thousands of dollars in therapies and doctor visits. We were advised by her neurologist to exempt further vaccinations which we have….So, reading your some of your blogs about wishing unvaccinated children death, etc is extremely disheartening…Think about those parents that don’t have a CHOICE!!!

atlmom

November 28th, 2011
8:47 pm

diana: I think most people here have said (me included): I understand changing the timing of the vaccines. But this article is about NOT vaccinating *at all*. There is a huge difference.

What in the world??

November 28th, 2011
8:50 pm

Momalex2, Really?, and Parent? is the only thing that you are good at making degrading comments about other people. this is about vaccines and none of you are talking about anything other than how everyone else in the world id stupid and you are not. are you 5th graders? and The Real Deal? he may be a doctor, maybe not a doctor but what does it matter? does it really matter if he was the pope? this is for posting your opinions on, not yourstupidandimnot.com!

augustine

November 28th, 2011
9:07 pm

@Parent: “It is called the law of natural consequences.”

LOL. would you care to elaborate on this nonvaccinating “law”? Did you make this up because it feels right?

What does your newly formed “law” say about the fact that before vaccination 99.99+% of the population did NOT die from measles?

@Jarvis: Whooping cough has been shown to fail AND only last 3 years. Have you been vaccinated every three years? You’re a non vaccinator and a contributor to death. Seriously their has long been an overstated confidence in vaccines.

Pro mass vaccinators never have a real answer as to why the mortality of almost ALL infectious disease dropped dramatically before vaccines were introduced. It destroys their ideas that vaccines saved us all and that if we somehow drop below the arbitrary herd immunity number we will all perish.

Do you think the flu vaccine is 90% effective. They used to say that you know. Now what do they say? It’s crap. That’s what.

@John: “Augustine, from what nut-job did you pick up your “facts”? Jenny McCarthy?”

What facts would you like to dispute, John? Or is it easier to just ignorantly call names?

Parent

November 28th, 2011
9:12 pm

we don’t need to apologize Exempt! All unvaccinatedchildren are a threat to society and the parents that don’t vaccinate them too!

augustine

November 28th, 2011
9:15 pm

ATLMOM: “I understand changing the timing of the vaccines. But this article is about NOT vaccinating *at all*. There is a huge difference.”

Really how so? To Paul OffitMD, William Shaffner M.D, and the SKEPTICS you are just as foolish. You should read the letters in the medical Journal Pediatrics in reference to spacing out the schedule. They have no tolerance for you. They say “who are you to challenge us, the gods of the vaccine, about the schedule we tell you to take.?”

um...

November 28th, 2011
9:16 pm

I reported that comment as inapropriate. maybe some of you should too?

augustine

November 28th, 2011
9:20 pm

Parent: “All unvaccinatedchildren are a threat to society and the parents that don’t vaccinate them too!”

Surely you’ve been propagandized very effectively that you actually believe this. Let’s put you brain to the logic and facts test. Which vaccines and parents are you referring to? The ones who don’t vaccinate at all? The ones who skip some vaccines? Or the ones who get all of the vaccines but follow their own schedule?

Or do you always prefer polemic sweeping generalizations?

The Real Deal

November 28th, 2011
9:21 pm

A danger to society? I think YOU are a bit dangerous to society. may i recomend anger managment?

Parent

November 28th, 2011
9:25 pm

you are a bunch of idiots who don’t know what you are talking about! don’t you know that vaccines prevent sicknesses?!?

augustine

November 28th, 2011
9:27 pm

@Parent: “you are a bunch of idiots who don’t know what you are talking about! don’t you know that vaccines prevent sicknesses?!?”

Somebody is becoming a bit unhinged in the name of mass vaccination.

The Real Deal

November 28th, 2011
9:27 pm

which vaccines are you talking about?

The Real Deal

November 28th, 2011
9:32 pm

you know parent, youraen’t really helping your case a lot.

Parent

November 28th, 2011
9:34 pm

I don’t care what you pair of non-contributing zeros say! your two opinions alone mean nothing to vaccinations!