Mom on trial: What constitutes an unreasonable punishment?

A mom in Alaska is on trial for squirting hot sauce in the mouth of her adopted son and then making him stand in a cold shower.

Jessica Beagley, of Anchorage, videotaped the punishment and showed it on the “Dr. Phil” show last year. The mom went to the show to get help for herself and her son, her lawyers say.

From The Associated Press:

“Why did you lie to me? Does it work to lie to me?” she asks the child.

Beagley asks the boy what happens when he lies. “I get hot sauce,” the crying boy replies.

The video shows Beagley leading the boy into a bathroom, where he sits on the counter next to the sink and she squirts hot sauce in his mouth. “Don’t spit it,” she says.

“Are lies supposed to be out of your mouth?” she yells, her arms braced on either side of him. When he admits to lying, she allows him to spit out the hot sauce.

(Click on the link to read the entire description of what happened in the video)

I would like to know more information about the video taping. Was she being more dramatic and harsh with her son just to get featured on Dr. Phil? How often is it happening? Does that matter? Is once bad enough?

Two years ago we discussed a case where the parents were charged with neglect and child abuse because they washed their child’s mouth out with soap and then the child had an allergic reaction to the soap.

Could hot sauce or soap be used in a lesser manner that would be deemed reasonable by most people or should these old-fashioned punishments be removed from a parent’s arsenal?

Is it hard to judge a reasonable punishment in the heat of the moment, when you’re frustrated or upset with your child? Should you decide what your arsenal of acceptable punishments are ahead of time so you don’t cross the line when you are upset?

121 comments Add your comment

Today

August 19th, 2011
1:11 am

There are WAYS to discipline your children that don’t resort to PUNISHMENT!! I would constitute this as abuse. To all those people out there that support this type of “punishmen,” look at our society today……….it is FULL of people who were hit, ridiculed, kicked, spanked, yelled at, put in corners, etc. Reading some of these posts, it is those same individuals that “agree” with this type of punishment (look up indentifiying with the aggressor and then we can talk) . I’ve read things from supporters like, “boy this kid got nothin’, my dad kicked me across the living room and broke my teeth.” Uh, yah and what are you doing right now with all that internal ANGER!? Self esteem is the problem with our society today. WE have very little of it going around. It starts at home. This video is a fine example of depletion of self respect and self esteem. Jessica is resorting to these tactics because her parenting/discipline style is NOT WORKING! You know what this reminds me of: When we talk to a foreigner and they don’t understand what we’re saying…..WE TALK LOUDER! Uh hello, talking louder is not going to help them understand! If punishment worked we wouldn’t have a recidivism rate in prisons of 68%.

As a therapist…….a child like this that has endured this type of punishment, would surely be seeing me in their later years! It is not one incident that needs to be corrected in this home, it’s the environment of her household that needs to be changed.

Honestly the whole thing is disturbing. It is FAR worse than we all know….for a mom to put this on T.V. and thinks it’s OKAY!!! OMIGOSH, there are soooooooooo many kids being abused it’s not even funny. Unfortunately that’s why I have full-time employment in a time when jobs are scarce! I’d give ANYTHING to end my job due to lack of clients because we just stopped hurting our children and started respecting them as the people they deserve to be!

Jessica had sooooooooooo many more structured tools she could use…..actually ones that would work! But it’s not her fault she wasn’t taught! This was probably the same punishment she received as a child……….and the cycle continues!

Today

August 19th, 2011
1:28 am

One more point to make; Jessica is now saying that the Dr. Phil show made her video tape this incident and that she never did this punishment before, only “threatened it.” In the video she asks her son what he receives when he lies and he says, “Hot Sauce.” Okay Jessica……….what puishment should you receive for your current lie? Either that OR….your THREATENING IT never cured the problem………INCONSISTENT parenting is the problem with childrens’ discipline, not children!

catlady

August 19th, 2011
6:52 am

While there is little to commend about this, I am glad to see a parent who is not willing to accept their child’s lies. Too often they let it slide or excuse it (”He didn’t mean it.”) instead of taking it seriously.

There are too many parents who are not willing to address their child’s lying, stealing, or aggression in any way, and we see the results at school all the time.

Say it again: This is not an appropriate display of discipline. But, for whatever reason (to get on TV or to actually correct the child or to play a game of “Gotcha” with this adopted child) this parent seems to be interested in putting a stop to it.

Ok, now jump on me.

shaggy

August 19th, 2011
7:25 am

Hmmmmmmmm….hot sauce and a cold shower for lying, huh? Gee, that just might work…and save my right biceps from all of those swinging motion reps…plus I get to yell really loud and he has his mouth full of hot sauce and a cold shower….hmmmmmmmmm……
Thanks Theresa and Dr. Phil, who is about as good a therapist, as a talking toad.

Jeff

August 19th, 2011
7:28 am

Actually cat lady, I get what you’re saying and think you’re exactly right. I she’s over the line, but at least she isn’t sweeping it under the rug. There will always be parents who take punishment too far in the eyes of some of us. But I’d that really any worse than becoming an enabler?

Jeff

August 19th, 2011
7:29 am

Sorry, spell check/auto correct got me again

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2011
8:22 am

I am not a therapist, for sure. I am not I agree with this:

“Self esteem is the problem with our society today. WE have very little of it going around.”

I think lack of self discipline is a bigger problem today. People just do whatever they want no matter the repercussions ( sp?).

Children (and adults) are going to make mistakes but like catlady, I think lots of parents do not want to deal with those mistakes. It takes more to guide a child into doing the right thing than simply ignoring the wrong things. Some displays of discipline are not appropriate, including most of the ones used on my husband and myself by our parents. Anyone else?

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2011
8:23 am

oop…I am not sure I agree…

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2011
8:31 am

Off topic but quick…thanks again JJ for telling us about CHEGG!

Fred

August 19th, 2011
8:41 am

While I think she was over the top in the punishment, I am glad she was doing something. Unlike @Today, I think we let too much slide without saying/doing something about it. The problem is not lack of self esteem, it is a lack of understanding there are consequences for everything! We let kids do what they want and they as they grow into young adults they know(think) they can do anything. I don’t remember ever getting my mouth washed out as my parents were not profane people so I never really was around it much but I do remember meeting up with my father’s belt several times. What made it worse was he traveled a lot so I had to wait for him to come home several days later. :( It certainly made the right impression on me! ;)

Mom to 2

August 19th, 2011
8:53 am

I’m in total agreement with catlady.

I initially laughed when we saw this lady on the news. If this was 30 years ago, both of our own mothers would be in jail!! My husband and I both received the “hot sauce” treatment when we were younger. My husband had a dab put on his tongue whenever he rudely stuck his tongue out at people in public. Mine was usually for talking back to my parents.

Both of us turned out as fine individuals. (Multiple advanced degrees/community volunteering/positive members of society!)… and my husband even loves hot sauce on everything now. =oP

We were both also spanked while growing up. The spankings lasted till we were about 12 or 13 years old. As a female, when I became “too old” to spank (properly), my punishment was waiting in my father’s home office for 30 min to an hour till he got home and then I would be given a “talking to” by him. Lord knows, I would have given ANYTHING to go back to spankings instead of having the adult conversation under the steely glare of my father for disobeying and acting up!

Overall, I’m very happy Jessica Beagley corrected her son’s improper actions. I wish more parents would.

oneofeach4me

August 19th, 2011
9:00 am

As a parent of two children, a girl age 10 and a boy age 5, I can tell you that punishment doesn’t come as easily as many of you would like to believe. I don’t like to spank and only do so for multiple violations of the same issue or just blatant disrespect of an adult. I try to talk to my 10 year old… but unfortunately she is one of those children who thinks AFTER she does. My son, well, he is 5 with bookoos amount of energy that “timeouts” just don’t work for. The problem for most of us parents is that we are constantly contradicted. “If you spank them they become violent”, then there is “that kid needs a whoopin!!”, which way is the right way??

I do care how my children behave and want them to become productive members of society, but when they are at an age where they don’t really have many privileges to take away (phone, video games, ect)… what am I suppose to do??

jayone_30127

August 19th, 2011
9:04 am

To see that discipline is used to me is good. Spare the rod spoils the child. We have gotten away from this belief. The so called expert says that we should not do this there are other ways. Just look at are society now kids are just doing whatever they want for they know there is to repercussion. Parents need to discipline but not to the extreme

Mr. Ed

August 19th, 2011
9:12 am

My parents where old school thought. You were asked once in a stern manner to stop whatever actions that cause them to discipline. If you continued, next you marched outside and the belt came off. It worked wonders.

As for this woman, I don’t exactly agree with the style, but it’s her right to discipline in any manner(within reason) she likes.

Mattie

August 19th, 2011
9:13 am

My neighbor practices the hot sauce punishment with her kids, just a dot on their tongue for talking back. I don’t think it’s necessarily abusive, although we rarely resorted to any kind of punishment with our kids. They might get grounded or sent to their rooms, but not often. However, they were easy children. I preferred natural consequences , such as, if you fight over the video game, you lose it until you can work it out wit your sibling.

What bugs me about this case, is the double jeopardy. The hot sauce was for lying. Why then the cold shower?

This was a foreign adoption case, and I have read where many of these children have serious issues. People are allowed to adopt them without fully realizing what those issues might be. This woman may have been through the wringer with this child before giving up on time outs and escalating the punishments.

I’d give her the benefit of the doubt before judging her too harshly.

Tonya C.

August 19th, 2011
9:16 am

Whatever. I have a son that has this problem. His biological father has gone to federal prison for lying, largely as a result of being an enabled momma’s boy. I’m willing to take whatever necessary measure I can to prevent him from ending up on the same path. She shouldn’t have videotaped it, but I can’t say she shouldn’t have done it.

Tonya C.

August 19th, 2011
9:18 am

oneofeach4me:

I truly understand your issue. Truly. Keep trying. As long as you are trying, you’re doing better than 50% of the parents out there.

tim

August 19th, 2011
9:18 am

Hey Theresa….it seems you’re the one who needs help by using the words parents “arsenal”. An arsenal is a place where guns and ammunition are stored.

Your statemant makes me question YOUR parenting skills! Are you using soap and hot sauce too? Sounds like it to me.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2011
9:18 am

@ one…it is HARD to be a good parent. I too have a boy and a girl. I was not a good parent every minute of every day. Is anyone? Yes, there were days I was overwhelmed. Even now, with both in college I wonder sometimes what they are thinking when they do certain things. I chuckle when they call me and tell me, ” Uh Mom…you were right.”

I do know that if you do not have their respect ( most of the time) when they are under 10, it does not get any easier when they want to drive your car out all by themselves or eventually head off to college. Since I had to take several psychology classes, to learn how to teach children, it helped me understand some things better. I did make mistakes along the way.

My husband often raised his eyebrows at my ideas but later has told me,
“I did not know why you did that then…but do now!” There were days I was very angry but had to calm down and walk away from my children before we discussed the consequences of foolish actions. There is no one thing that works on every child, that is for sure!

Perhaps you can find a friend, whose kids you admire, and share some of your situations with him/her. See what they suggest. They know your children better than anyone on this blog.
A teacher could give you some tips, if they are inclined or make an appt. with your school counselor. There are therapists too and they can be very helpful. To me, it is good that you want help.
We ALL need help in one thing or another and asking for it is the first step but not always easy to do.

@ Fred…thanks for mentioning consequences…that is something many kids do not have.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2011
9:21 am

arsenal…An array of resources available for a certain purpose

jarvis

August 19th, 2011
9:22 am

I’m all for disciplining, but why didn’t this woman just spank him for telling a lie? Smack him on the butt hard enough to hurt, remind him that lying isn’t acceptable, and then move on.

Getting creative like she did shows that she’s putting too much thought into the corporal punishment. Again, I’m all for spanking or even a swith or belt, but the time-consuming humiliation on this is not normal in my opinion. It’s a little sick.

homeschooler

August 19th, 2011
9:24 am

I am sickened that anyone would find this remotely okay. First of all, this child did not receive a “dab” of hot sauce. It was reportely squirted in his mouth and he was forced to hold it in. In a sensitive five year old’s mouth this extreme pain/torture. I would think it could even blister or cause “lasting damage” (which is the definition of criminal child cruelty).

We are talking about a precious 5 yr old child who was raised in deplorable conditions in his home country of Russia. He was brought here to, seemingly, be adopted by someone who would love him and cherish him and instead, he is abused and bullied. His “parents” are not trying to understand what his extreme needs are and deal with them rationally and calmly, they are reacting to their own selfish needs of “I’m going to fix this kid no matter what it takes”. Well, with a kid like this and parents like them, it will be death. Nothing they do is going to make his suddenly be the sociallized, “normal” child they want. They are obviously not capable of meetig his needs and he should be removed from their home. They will keep getting more and more angry, he will keep getting more and more disobediant and eventually, he will be injured.
I love how people relate their own parents bad parenting to “I turned out okay”. Well, you weren’t from Russia with reactive attachment disorder and you may have turned out okay DESPITE being abused.
People in society who consistenly “turn out okay” have calm, rational parents who teach self discipline.

Why is it continually okay to harm our own children when, to do the same to another adult or someone elses child would be seen as criminal.If a teacher squirted hot sauce into your 5 yr old’s mouth and made him hold it in, would you be okay with that?

JJ

August 19th, 2011
9:26 am

@Jarvis – you better be careful. There’s too many people in this world who think spanking is child abuse……I don’t, but there are people who do, and they will attack you for that comment. Trust me. I speak from experience.

I don’t think a swat on the butt to get attention is child abuse. But there are others who feel that any time you lay a hand on a child, it’s abuse……I call them pansy parents, they are the ones who use “time out” as disclipine, then talk to them and tell them why they were put in time out, then love on them. That to me sends a mixed message. Sometimes, you need to get a child’s attention. I see nothing wrong with a spanking. Not so that it hurts or leaves a mark, but just to let the child know they were wrong and their actions have consequences.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2011
9:30 am

@homeschooler…good points about the child’s background…that is another chapter to be discussed for sure! I do not advocate the punishment that was afflicted on myself nor my husband.

Tonya C.

August 19th, 2011
9:35 am

@homeschooler

I concede to the multitude of issues this child has. But that is also why I am STRONGLY against international adoption. This is becoming more and more common. Do you remember the little boy who the parents put on a plane and sent back?

I stand behind corporal punishment. I respect those who disagree. In this case, with those details, it doesn’t seem the appropriate course of action to REMEDY the REAL issues of THIS child.

First time poster

August 19th, 2011
9:44 am

@homeschooler – I agree 100% with what you wrote. I happened to see the espisode in question and yes, it was a mouthful of hot sauce, not a dab.

HB

August 19th, 2011
9:48 am

Well said, homeschooler.

jarvis

August 19th, 2011
9:50 am

@JJ, I’ve only ever spanked with my hand, but I’m OK with others using a belt or switch. There’s a difference between hurting and injuring or humiliating. I’m not OK with either of the latter.

By the way, I always love on my child after punishment. I wait until they are over the crying on their own, and then I reassure them that the only reason I punish them is because I think too much of them to let them be horrible people.

I also use “timeout”, but it tends to be for the “lessor” offenses. Spanking is pretty much limited to lying and treating other people badly.

A

August 19th, 2011
9:51 am

Thanks for your post Homeschooler. Reading the comments above yours, it sounded like people were actually OK with this deplorable behavior. That this is a 5-year-old makes it even worse. I have never hit my child, which is what spanking is, and can’t imagine doing it. When I think back to when he was 5, it makes me sick to my stomach to think about me or my husband raising a hand to our sweet child or doing anything remotely close to what this monster of a mother does to hers. This child should be taken away from her immediately.

jarvis

August 19th, 2011
9:56 am

Also, I have short patience, so I’ve worked hard on not spanking in the heat of the moment. I send them to another room to get punished. The short walk to the other room affords me the time to cool off before I spank.

I’m a farily large person, and spanking in the heat of the moment can inflict too much pain on a small child and also effect aim. They are small targets esecially when they are on the move. A pop on the arse is OK; a blow to the kidneys is not.

Mother As Well

August 19th, 2011
9:59 am

I completely agree with Mom-2! My brothers and I had the soap, hot sauce, stand in the corner with your arms out, spankings, switches, etc….. We all turned out fine – college grads, productive members of society, giving back to the community, and parents! IMHO, society is like it is because the government is way too involved with child rearing. This is why kids bring guns to school, harm old people, curse out teachers, etc….. The Bible says “Spare the rod, spoil the child”!

SPM

August 19th, 2011
10:01 am

This woman has serious mental issues, to yell at a child that age who has been what this kid has been through the way she did, over such nonsense as sword fighting with pencils is obscene. That woman has no business being in charge of children

abc

August 19th, 2011
10:03 am

If parents were left alone to raise their children as they see fit, without the specter of public judgement as to their methods, then their children would recognize them as authorities that demanded respect, and the net gain would be a greater respect for authority by kids in general, especially teens. Respect for authority is extremely lacking in kids today.

I don’t think hot sauce and a shower constitutes abuse. If the kid doesn’t want to endure it (and certainly he doesn’t) then all he has to do is not lie to his parents. Pretty simple.

Solve the Problems

August 19th, 2011
10:04 am

Hot sause, not sure about but I can tell you this. When I lied I got my butt smacked and grounded for a week. Yes I was spanked, my sisters were spanked, my husband and his brothers were spanked. We are 70’s children. We are probably the last of the moral, decent, hard working, take charge generation left. Then a man named Dr Spock wrote a book saying dont spank. The government got involved in family life and deemed a spanking a beating and children were protected from being taught right from wrong. Parents stopped caring where their kids were as long as they were not there causing them problems. And look it what it got us. A new generation of Me Me kids who have grown up lazy, uneducated and uncaring who are willing to fight, cause problems and use language that should not be allowed in any society. But thats what the country and government is creating. While Dr Spocks kid one killed themselves and the other is in jail for a long time, he has created that kind of society which we now deal.

Give the kid a kick in the pants and take those computers, WII games, cell phones, tv programs that rot the brain with crime and spend time teaching right from wrong. Would not hurt to read the bible either. And by the way, none of our family members have ever thought we were unloved or needed a shink to discuss our abuse. Spanking is not abuse but a attention getter.

oneofeach4me

August 19th, 2011
10:06 am

@TonyaC ~ I could never give up… cause that would mean I am a quitter. I may be many things, but a quitter is not one. I just want to make sure I do the right thing by my kids, even if that means they must be disciplined.

@MJG ~ thanks for the encouragement! I only have one friend, our kids are the same age but the sexes are reversed. So she forewarns me about the boy getting older and I forewarn her about the girl getting older. Funny too, we tend to have the same types of issues with our kids. And I keep an open dialogue with both the children’s teachers and tend to communicate very well with them. I would like to get into some cognitive behavioral therapy with them I just have to schedule it. I am a full time mom who works full time and goes to school full time. Sometimes I am so exhausted I just breakdown and cry when they misbehave. And I have to admit….they straighten up much faster and are much more remorseful when they see the emotional toll their behavior takes on me.

SPM

August 19th, 2011
10:09 am

I think a lot of people here are missing the point about this woman. Her body language and tone in that video make it very clear that she is on an ego-trip. This woman is a control freak, more than likely because children are the only other human beings she can control.

oneofeach4me

August 19th, 2011
10:11 am

And just as a general comment, lack of discipline is not the only factor in the state of our society today. Kids face WAY more social pressure than we ever did, they develop faster (from antibiotics in food), they are exposed to more chemicals that cause disorders (pesticides), they have WAY more “adult” programming on TV and in the media and on the radio that tell these kids what’s “cool”. Parenting today and growing up today are much more challenging in my opinion. This is why I stopped at two kids. There are no “villages” anymore.

nelson

August 19th, 2011
10:19 am

Now, justice in the home is the same as justice in the court, let the punishment fit the crime. Criminal mishief, misdemeanor, a couple of weeks in jail then probation. If the judge is a parent, then the jail time would be confinement to the room. 3 meals a day. now if the child is a repeat offender, get out the old fraternity paddle, tell the offender to bend over and grab his ankles. Then after a brief moment to let the offender sweat a little, come through with the paddle with a good shoulder rotation, connect squarely with the rear end[buttocks or fanny] and lift the lad in to outer space, follow through with the swing, inside out for a little fade.

Ofcourse, if it is your girlfriend, temper the swing with love.

Mother As Well

August 19th, 2011
10:19 am

I agree with abc and Solve The Problems!!!!! COMPLETELY!!!!!!! My brother used to say “I’m gonna beat them and if the government has issues, then they can take them and raise them”!!!! I am willing to bet that anyone who graduated during or before the 80’s were afraid of the parents, grandparents, school principals, and teachers. Kids these days have no fear or respect of authority!!! And to think, they will make rules for us and run society when we are elderly!!!!

JJ

August 19th, 2011
10:21 am

@abc – AMEN!!!

jarvis

August 19th, 2011
10:22 am

@oneofeach4me, I can’t speak to how old you are, but you may want to check the level of antibiotics in the food now compared any decade since the 1950’s. The use became common in the mid-50’s. So unless you’re in your late 60’s, you’ve haven’t seen children raised on food without antibiotics in this country.

Tonya C.

August 19th, 2011
10:26 am

oneofeachofme:

I concur. But the basis of the other things is lax parenting in MANY cases. People let their kids eat anything, wear anything, watch anything, and listen to anything. They feel guilty if their child doesn’t have the latest and greatest. My husband is a teacher. The stories he tells stun me.

This mother CLEARLY has issues deeper than just frustration with a bad behavior. And as others have pointed out, this was an adopted child from a foreign country (one that borders on third-world at that). This is when therapy is clearly needed in order to get to the source of the problem.

jarvis

August 19th, 2011
10:27 am

I’m out. I can’t ever stand the “way things used to be” crap. And I’m getting it from both sides of this argument.

The rose-tinted glasses the responders on this blog use to look at their childhoods are like no other. I don’t remember growing up in a f’ing utopia. Somehow I’m the only one.

Kissme.

August 19th, 2011
10:35 am

Used to use soap on my daughter – but she liked the taste of it.

Ezra

August 19th, 2011
10:39 am

Every time a parent punishes their child and the parent drifts from the liberal way of indoctrinating a child it becomes news. Most parents work and do not have a nanny for their kids from cradle to grave. These are the ones who try tell all other parents how to rear children. And it goes to court before an activist judge and becomes a precedent. Now we have found those liberal children grow and blow up police stations, drive spikes into trees, cheat on tests, skew the results of studies, and claim abnormal behavior is normal. Yep I just cant wait to read another SPOCK book on rearing kids.

penguinmom

August 19th, 2011
10:51 am

@MJG – I agree with your 8:22 comment
“I think lack of self discipline is a bigger problem today. People just do whatever they want no matter the repercussions” and that self-esteem might not be the issue.

I think self-esteem is an issue today only in that many kids today have too much of it. They are completely focused on themselves and are constantly built up with no effort to balance self-esteem with self-control and respect for others.

SPM

August 19th, 2011
10:51 am

abc, without going into the obvious about the tendency of 1st graders to lie every now and the, who is to say this obviously mentally fragile woman will not find some other reason to abuse this kid. Discipline and abuse are two very different things, while some hot sauce and a cold shower do not constitute abuse when performed periodically, it seems pretty obvious this woman is a walking time bomb. When you see the child’s reactions you know this is far from the first time this woman has snapped. This woman is being put on trial for what was done on tape, however it seems clear to me this woman regularly engages in mental child abuse.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2011
10:57 am

@ jarvis…I did not grow up in utopia. I would rather die today than have to repeat my childhood.

I will say that more children and adults today ( who used to be children) are disrespectful and challenge boundaries and rules. We were not allowed to do so, as children. To me, it is easier to swat a child or use a belt than ( for parents to) actually think about other methods that would be more effective. I do not pretend to have the answers. My children did receive swats and sometimes spankings. This was not my preferred method of punishment. I was frequently punished with more than swats myself, many times. Sometimes, there is not time for discussion as danger is imminent.

oneofeach4me

August 19th, 2011
10:58 am

Theresa ~ the blog must be hungry this morning.. it has eaten two of my posts. The second one at 10:55am still hasn’t shown up. You can just eat the first one! lol

penguinmom

August 19th, 2011
10:58 am

I agree with others that this particular incident crossed a line because she used a mouthful and it was more punishment not loving discipline.

Interesting study was done on spanking (I read about it in the book “Nurture Shock”). It seem that simple spanking (not excessive beating) does not cause violent reactions in communities where it is considered accepted practice. In those communities, the child just accepts it as a regular punishment and moves on. Where spanking can cause harm is when it is used as a last resort by parents who are in a community where it is considered wrong. In those cases, the child views himself as having done something extremely horrible if his parents had to resort to this non-standard “excessive” punishment. Then it can cause ‘acting out’ behaviors. It was an interesting take on the whole spanking causes violence mantra.