Are you serving bacteria in your child’s lunchbox? Study finds lunches aren’t packed at safe temperatures for serving

I sent this fried rice to school yesterday for lunch. I heated it but I didn't heat the thermos. I wonder if it stayed hot enough and was safe to eat? Scary!

I sent this fried rice to school yesterday for lunch. I heated it but I didn't heat the thermos. I wonder if it stayed hot enough and was safe to eat? Scary!

A new study from the University of Texas in Austin found that 98 percent of packed lunches in a study group of kids were not at the right temperature for safe eating.

The Journal of Pediatrics reports that the team examined 700 packed lunches for kids ages 3 to 5 who attended day care. They found that parents incorrectly packed food to stay as cold or as hot as it needed to be to prevent bacteria growth.

From The Interntional Business Times:

“I was shocked to discover that almost 40 percent of the time, parents had not packed an ice pack in their child’s lunch,” said Fawaz Almansour, a study co-author with the Department of Nutrition at the University of Texas at Austin.

“And even for lunches with ice packs, more than 90 percent of perishable foods had entered the danger zone of food temperature. When foods that should stay chilled, such as milk, meat and sliced fruits, reach temperatures above 40 degrees Fahrenheit, it’s risky to eat them, especially if they’ve sat longer than two hours, which most children’s lunches do on a daily basis.”

“For hot items like a thermos of soup, the temperature needs to stay at 140 degrees or above. When temperatures deviate from the safe zone, bacteria find a fertile playground, potentially spoiling food and sickening people who consume it. If your child complains of a stomach ache, is vomiting or has diarrhea, it’s not necessarily a bug caught from another child. It may be from the food he ate that day.”

“According to the study, children three or younger are 4 1/2 times more likely than adults who are 49 or younger to suffer from a foodborne illness.”

“The researchers found that the average temperature for perishable foods had climbed to 62 degrees by lunchtime, more than 20 degrees higher than recommended.”

Diane Van, deputy director of food safety education at the U.S. Department of Agriculture, offered tips to help parents

For cold foods

Freeze it you can.

“Before you head to bed, take your child’s milk, juice or water and put it in the freezer. It can then serve as a second ice pack and help keep other foods cold. You can also do this with other foods as such as yogurt or soft cheeses. When making a chicken sandwich or other perishable mainstay, put it in the freezer as well, leaving the lettuce and tomato in the refrigerator to be added later.”

Keep the lunch box colder by putting regular things – such as oranges or apples – in the fridge before you send them to school.

Get an insulated lunch box and double up ice packs.

For hot foods

Pour boiling water into the thermos before putting hot food in it. It will help maintain the necessary 140 degrees.

I read this article after I sent my kids to school with fried rice in their thermoses. I heated the fried rice in the microwave and made sure it was hot. But I didn’t heat the thermos. I waited to pick them up and have them doubled over from food poisoning.

My question is how can you keep the stuff in the thermos hot but keep the cantaloupe or juice box that you send in cold. You don’t want to put a cold pack in because I would think that would lower the thermos’ temperature.

I wish they made a thermos that could put in the microwave to heat up before you put the food in. Hmm. I’m going to check labels on that. That would be easier.

On the cold side of  the dilemma, my kids and I are enthralled by the commercials for the “PackIt” lunch box. It’s a lunch box made of essentially ice packs that are kept in the freezer. The whole lunchbox is folded into the freezer. Then you pull it out in the morning and put the food in and it says it will stay cold for 10 hours. I was thinking about ordering them before but after reading this story I probably will. (But you still have the hot stuff, cold stuff problem even with this.)

So how are you packing your child’s lunch for school? Do you think you’re keeping it hot or cold enough? Does this story make you think you need to do some things differently? What’s the plan now? Have you tried the PackIt? Does it really work?

(Check out a related food blog: Keeping lunch interesting and healthy –what are you sending in?)


– Theresa Walsh Giarrusso, Momania for ajc.com

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shaggy

August 9th, 2011
6:50 am

A little bacteria is good for them. I hear it builds strong bones and tastes like chicken.

Today, i am here to vent about yesterday afternoon:

First – Why on earth is every school in Atlanta Metro area (I know it is that way all over Georgia.) starting school in the first week of August? This is obscene, and I am sure the kids will agree. Start on the day after Labor Day, and end after Memorial Day…forget about the winter/spring/work/coffee break and get on with it for Christ’s sake.

Second – Why can’t your little precious ride the freakin school bus? I would MUCH rather navigate around the occasional big yellow bus, than 8 gazillion SUVs, with little (and not cute at all) bundles of joy bouncing all over them.
I am going to lobby for a new tax. It will be called the “get the F’ out of my way tax” for all of those 8 gazillion SUVs to pay dearly, for their demon seed NOT riding the freakin school bus. In addition, ANY mom that is caught driving eratically, because they MUST see/hear/feel their little precious’ – “what I did at school stories” – will be forced to contribute all current and future earnings to pay down the national deficit, or be placed immediately in stocks on the public square. (I am aware that we will need stocks and public squares, but I am ready to invest in the future peace for society.)

It’s THAT serious, and It is TOTALLY out of control…a national menace to the fabric of society. I am sure this insane practice is responsible for the war continuing in Afghanistan, because of all of the time lost dodging these freakazoids, we simply don’t have the resources left to fight effectively.

homeschooler

August 9th, 2011
7:36 am

I just have a hard time believing that this problem is that serious. We never even had ice packs when I was a kid and I don’t remember kids getting food poisoning everyday. Besides, we over chill and over heat everything in this country. My friend from England tells me that they don’t refrigerate eggs, at all. Not in the grocery store or at home. (yeah, that freaks me out). All of this is stuff that COULD happen. You COULD get a little bacteria if the thermos is not heated correctly. But you probably won’t. Provided my kid’s lunch is going to be in the air conditioning, I will just pack a frozen juice box or water bottle. I never can seem to keep up with the ice packs.

@ Shaggy, I agree with everything you said. But I still wouldn’t put my kids on a school bus in the heat of August with no air. And I have a serious problem with no seat belts. And I’ve seen too many scary bus drivers and 5th graders that I wouldn’t want my young child exposed to. And I wouldn’t want to put my kids on the bus at 6:30am. And I could go on forever but I don’t send mine to school anyway so I’m not one of those you are talking about. My husband goes crazy about the SUVs too.

Me

August 9th, 2011
7:37 am

Have never packed lunches for any of the kids — Ours have always eaten in the school cafeteria – or whatever they are now called – “food courts”, I suppose. I was never one for packing lunches for myself (and still don’t) so I guess I never really thought that the kids would enjoy it either. I’m sure there are some cost savings for packed lunches vis-a-vis school lunches but, to me, any cost savings are negated if the packed lunches aren’t eaten and I, quite frankly, don’t worry over the costs.

Father Jane Goose

August 9th, 2011
8:13 am

So this is your life:

Feed the kids, drive them to school (heavens if they dare take the bus, my goodness!), be a helicopter parent at school, then go to the gym. Come home, blog on your phone, run some errands, check Facebook, bake some Funfetti Lollipops and bang out some fried rice for Michael. When Michael walks in the door just spew everything of what happened that day on him, meanwhile he’s the one with a real job and real stress.

With a meal ticket like Michael, you better take real good care of him.

JJ

August 9th, 2011
8:20 am

Shaggy – I drove my daugher to school. Every year, except the Middle School years.

Reason #1, it gave us more time together in the mornings.

Reason #2, her elementary school, and high school, were on my way to work. I drove right pass both schools when she was attending them.

Reason #3, once she hit high school, the bus pulled into our ‘hood at 6:10. She didn’t have to be at school until 7:10 when the first bell rang. Therefore, she would ride with me, and we left the house at 6:45, which, again, gave us more time together in the mornings.

I can’t tell you how much I miss that. I also drove several other kids, so mine wasn’t the only one in the car. She always rode the bus home, or caught a ride with a friend.

JJ

August 9th, 2011
8:23 am

As for the topic, yes I always added a little bacteria, just for kicks………

But seriously, my daughter packed her lunch most of the time. Consisted of a sandwich, chips, and some fruit. She hated taking those insulated lunch bags, as she didn’t want to keep up with it, so brown bagging it was her choice. The lines at the cafeteria were too long, and by the time she got through the line, sat down and tried to eat a “healthy” (And I use that term very losely) meal, the bell would ring. So it was easier to brown bag her lunch.

homeschooler

August 9th, 2011
8:25 am

@ FJG.. obviously you have never cared for a house and children. “real job and real stress” Oh to be able to leave the house every morning and only have to worry about work. I have a trying job, completely run my household and homeschool my kids. I can assure you that my job is the easiest and least stressful of my priorities.

mom2alex&max

August 9th, 2011
8:31 am

@Shaggy: not all schools in GA. The Cobb Co schools don’t start until next week. It is still ridiculously early and insanely hot. The buses do not have AC and my kids have a 30+ min ride home. Last year, my oldest almost passed out. They don’t ride it until it cools off a little. As for the morning..well maybe if that damn bus didn’t have to pass my house at 6:30 in the morning I would consider it. At that time, they are barely awake. And so am I.

And @FGJ: you know, I normally laugh off the Theresa criticisms, but dude, really..if you’ve never done it..don’t even go there. I’m guessing you wouldn’t even last a week.

motherjanegoose

August 9th, 2011
8:45 am

@home…if you can handle a trying job and homeschool your children…you must be Wonder Woman. I could never know/learn enough to homeschool my children much less have a job while I am homeschooling my kids. I am NOT up to that task. It is amazing that you have time for anything ( even this blog) and I am dead serious!

@shaggy….I rarely ever drove my kids to or from school, unless they had a club or meeting. One day, in January, it was about 20 degrees here and I had to leave my neighborhood ( near the Mall of Ga) to get to a school in Cobb County. WHOA NELLY….I got closer to the front of the neighborhood and could not get OUT of the neighborhood as their were so many Moms and Dads who decided to drive their kids to school, instead of making them stand outside to wait for the bus in such cold weather :0. I had to call my school and tell them I would be late, as there is only one way in and one way out of our neighborhood. I could not get out !
It was 7:30 a.m. and I had to be there at 9:45. Oh well!

FYI…we live just over a mile from the ES.

As far as school starts, I think it has to do with the HS kids taking their semester tests before the Christmas break and then not having to relearn everything. I agree that it is crazy to start this early and feel bad for my teacher friends who went back on August 1!

I guess I can see driving your kids to school, if it is on your way to work but the carpool line is CRAZY and has been in every school that my kids went to.

motherjanegoose

August 9th, 2011
8:47 am

oops..as “there”…sorry!

shaggy

August 9th, 2011
8:59 am

homeschooler,

It is not possible for you to agree with everything I said, except….
I am taking NO PRISONERS on this one. It is ridiculous. Yes, your precious would survive the evil bus drivers…heck, you can ride the big yellow with them for all I care, just get it out of us people that are earning a living’s WAY…PERIOD!
I am pretty sure they will survive heat and no seat belts too. Do you think air conditioning and seat belts were invented in the early 16th century for crying out loud? Air conditioning is the ONLY reason the non-southerners can survive here anyway…so they think. Throw a wet towel on the brat when he walks in the door and tells you what he did for school…I don’t care.

JJ,
You know I love you, but your quality time would have been better placed where it didn’t stop the whole freakin world and make the stock markwets crash , and yes, I am convinvced that SUV moms delivering/picking up bundles of joy to school were the final nail in that coffin.

The only other out on this one is to relocate all schools and parents to designated non-commercial zones, so they can stop themselves from being productive with their massive SUVs, with really large rear ends, and not get in EVERYONE else’s way, while we try to live and put our little babies on the HUGE yellow bus that is mostly empty. JEEEZ!!!!

shaggy

August 9th, 2011
9:02 am

Theresa,

I tried at rebuttal. Find it in electronic trash land if you choose. I sure ain’t rewriting it…and I am off to sabotage as many large SUVs with soccer balls, sitting in driveways, as I can.

It is our only hope.

1sus

August 9th, 2011
9:08 am

It is funny that everyone is so worried about bacteria in packed lunches . . . my brothers and I survived grades 1-12 with packed lunches in brown paper bags, no ice pack or even cool drink included, often tuna salad sandwiches . . . . never a problem. Let’s see 3 kids, 15 lunches per week, every week for 12 years a piece. Oh well! Guess we were lucky!

homeschooler

August 9th, 2011
9:27 am

@MJG..I don’t have time for this blog. :-) keep saying I’m not going to comment but keep looking and commenting. We don’t start “school” until next week. So I’m still in summer mode. My kids attend classes one day a week at a hybrid school which helps me with not having to do lesson plans. (the most time consuming part of homeschooling). I work at night and weekends and because much of my work is “on-call” hours, I don’t usually have to do a full 40 hrs a week. I drink a lot of coffee and just hope that someday it will all pay off.

jarvis

August 9th, 2011
10:50 am

I’d say if 98% were deemed not to be “healthy”, but we are reporting waaaay under that in school lunchbox-related food poisoning, the obvious conclusion would be that their guidelines need to be revisited.

BShepC

August 9th, 2011
10:52 am

Shaggy you are spot on. My oldest rides the bus (younger one still in preschool). I WILL NOT do carpool…it is ridiculous how many people drive their kids to school for stupid reasons. They shouldn’t even call it carpool as no one rides together…we have n’bors that live next door to each other and they drive separately to school!!! Never have I seen them combine the kids into one car. Regarding what this post should be about…I don’t really worry about the lunch as they eat lunch so early now (starting at 10:10 for kindergarten). I am a huge germaphobe but this is one I let slide….

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

August 9th, 2011
11:25 am

shaggy — I am going into rescue

jarvis — the science is the science – bacteria grows at certain temps — you can’t change that but as parents we’ve got to think more about how we’re sending the food. I did boil water and put in the thermos’s this morning. I kind of want to go in and measure the temp at lunch time just to know.

JJ

August 9th, 2011
11:33 am

@Shaggy – would it help that I have a SMALL SUV…..and those days are long gone for me……and yes I did have several other neighbor kids in the car with me.
One of our neighbors who goes to high school, offered to pay my daughter to drive her to and from school……she said she was too pretty to ride the bus……I laughed so hard!!!!! And I told that kid, NO my daughter would NOT take that job….LOL

MomsRule

August 9th, 2011
11:42 am

…too pretty to ride the bus….

wow…ego much

Uncle Jane Goose

August 9th, 2011
11:43 am

Not all children are smart and clever… Children are like any other age group: Some winners, a whole bunch of losers. Many of you have loser children because of genetic composition and your terrible parenting skills.

JJ

August 9th, 2011
12:07 pm

@MomsRule – I know huh? I almost fell down laughing when she said that. Her mother constantly tells me “I have more touble with that one, than any other of my kids”, and she has 5 daughters. This one is the middle child……

MomsRule

August 9th, 2011
12:44 pm

JJ – please tell me you actually laughed at her…and not later when you were alone. :)

Chris

August 9th, 2011
12:47 pm

All I know is that every kid in our neighborhood has a PackIt and they work perfectly. Why not be safe than sorry? All in all with all the fighting on here, why not ensure that the food we send is safe? We did survive (i’m in my 40’s) with what we were packed but you might want to look at how many diseases we fall ill to now….never know what the factors are. Also, when food stays cold, kids are more likely to eat it and not waste it. That’s my kind of product…..

Denise

August 9th, 2011
12:47 pm

@Shaggy – LOLLLLLLLL at your rant! I love it. Fortunately I only go thru 3 school zones on the way to work (and sometimes I miss the “active” times, depending on when I go in) and haven’t had to really deal with the gangs of cars clogging up the roadways. I can see how that is a pain in the butt. I do see an increase in traffic on the interstates but I’m wondering how that has anything to do with schools being back in sessions. Regardless, I’m sure I will be cussing next week because most of my ride is in Cobb County.

On topic – we never brought our lunch to school. Nobody I knew every brought their lunch to school. If we brought anything it was a snack to eat with the lunch we bought at school. It wasn’t that big of a deal. No one was complaining about “school lunch isn’t healthy” then (70s-90s)…at least not where I lived in Louisiana. It would seem to me, though, that you wouldn’t send hot food for lunch if the kid wasn’t guaranteed a place to warm it. Lukewarm food is just not good. A slightly cool food that is supposed to be cold would be better, in my opinion. Plus it’s easier to maintain a cool temperature with the ice packs. Not a perfect solution but, again, in my opinion better than the lukewarm situation.

JJ

August 9th, 2011
12:53 pm

@Moms – It was right in front of the child and her mother. Her mother and I had to help each other keep from falling down we were laughing so hard……we are all good friends, so it made it a bit easier to laugh in front of her…..I tried to keep my laughter contained, but when her own mother started laughing, I couldn’t stop……

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

August 9th, 2011
1:01 pm

did anyone happen to see how many peas were in that fried rice? Personally, I’d eat some kids three day old tuna fish salad sandwhich that had been sitting in the GA sun before I ate all those peas. Of course when I got salmonella, I’d blame it on the fried rice.

JJ

August 9th, 2011
1:15 pm

Whatever happened to good ol’ PBJ sandwich, a bag of chips & a piece of fruit.

malleesmom

August 9th, 2011
1:29 pm

JJ – exactly. My husband and I were just discussing this. We took our lunches in paper lunch sack. No refrigeration. He ate a cheese sandwich almost every day. We survived. The key is to simplify lunch, offering nutritious climate stable food.

motherjanegoose

August 9th, 2011
1:38 pm

JJ…too pretty? That is hilarious.

@ Denise…most people are now home from summer vacation and that adds to the metro traffic. Also, everyone who teaches at any school, will be back on the road soon. Some people work as soon as their kids go to school and try to be home when they get home after school.

Anyone read this in the AJC Living Section today:

College: Half won’t pay all
about half of American with assets of more than $250,000 say they won’t pay the entire tab for their children’s education, according to Bank of America. Limiting access to the bank of mom and dad will help teach their kids financial responsibility…

I guess we are not alone. I read this to my daughter today and will share it with my son too.

Denise

August 9th, 2011
1:46 pm

@malleesmom and JJ – did you miss the other topic? The point is not to make lunch simple, it’s to make it healthy and INTERESTING. Yeah, right. I’m with you. Sandwich, chips, fruit. Not leftovers that require special treatment. Not anything that requires anything more special than an ice pack, if that.

One minute folks are discussing how busy and stressed mothers are and in the next it’s how to give kids variety in lunch which causes MORE stress for the moms. Yall are NOT helping me any, here! I’m trying to learn, folks, for when my time comes and learning how to CREATE stress for myself is not what I’m trying to do. I got that down pat. :-)

motherjanegoose

August 9th, 2011
2:01 pm

@ Denise…here is something to learn….how to say NO. I have had to learn how to do this with my kids, my clients, my husband, my neighbors and even friends. Of course, they have said it to me too, so it all works out. I RARELY ever fixed my own kids lunch…they were always welcome to fix their own. I put $50 plus on each of their school lunch cards, whenever it was needed. They often told me they would fix their own lunch and then when they got up in the morning, had forgotten and decided that school lunch was going to be fine.

Maybe this will help too…

I heard a great sermon on conflict recently, at church. We all have conflict. The preacher mentioned that if you are having the same conflict OVER AND OVER, someone involved in the conflict has not grown and matured. Lately, it has made me think a lot. Sometimes, I need to grow to a place where I just let go and do not worry about it or succumb to the conflict. Or, sometimes I realize that the person who is in the conflict ALL THE TIME really just wants to be there and I do not…so I move or ignore. Just thought I would share.

Becky

August 9th, 2011
2:09 pm

Last year when my two took their lunches (second grade) the teachers have a mini fridge and they were able to put lunches in there..If it was food that needed to be hot, the lunch lady would heat it for them..I’m sure that is subject to change this year..

The girl likes to take a salami sandwhich with mayo, so I’m glad that she was able to use thefridge..They both do a lot of peanut butter sandwhiches..

@Tiger..You don’t like peas or just that many? I love them..Yes, I know I’m strange..

donny do gooder

August 9th, 2011
2:12 pm

Quick! Someone call child protective services for serving that “meal” to her kids……

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

August 9th, 2011
2:14 pm

@becky….peas at all. As far as I’m concerned, once ONE pea was added to that rice it was inedible! Knowing the kids I know….I’m thinking TWG has a greater chance of her kids suffering from starvation than food poisoning with pea infused rice! ;-)

motherjanegoose

August 9th, 2011
2:21 pm

@ tiger…a educational peer told me once that her sister ( a nutritionist) told her, “peas have no nutritional value.” Not sure on that one. We eat frozen peas here sometimes but never canned!

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

August 9th, 2011
2:42 pm

@MJG…I don’t care if they’re good for me or not….it’s the taste I can’t beyond!

JJ

August 9th, 2011
2:47 pm

I have vivid memories of me and my mom “shucking” peas for dinner, and eating a few right out of the pod. OH YUMMY!!!!!!

shaggy

August 9th, 2011
2:51 pm

Confirmed pea lover here and have grown them in the garden before. They are delicious when they are that fresh…literally, you don’t even have to cook them…kinda like silver queen corn.

I just can’t wait until my time to fight for my life begins and every SUV, Mini-van or other unpredictable, and dangerous mom-mobile will infest the streets, rendering the streets unpassable for the rest of us.

shaggy

August 9th, 2011
2:53 pm

MJG,

Some say that beer is bad for you. I say that life without beer is worse for you.

motherjanegoose

August 9th, 2011
2:57 pm

@ shaggy…what?

I have never owned an SUV nor a mini van..I do not like to even rent them…..am I safe :)

Denise

August 9th, 2011
2:59 pm

@MJG – love the advice/sermon on conflict. You’re right. Some folks just like to be mad about something…or EVERYTHING. I avoid them. They give me headaches and stress.

And Tiger – I think peas decrease the enjoyment factor of everything…just the look of them are yuck. Little green things in my food. No good! And the smell of them on the stove? EWWWW! I would not eat that fried rice either. Would take too long to pick out the inedibles. I’m like that with raisins too but I don’t even try to pick them out. I just plain won’t eat them. Raisins cooked in something actually change the taste for the worst in my opinion. No thanks!

Ann

August 9th, 2011
3:03 pm

@motherjanegoose, Regarding “I could never know/learn enough to home-school my children”, you don’t have to know about all topics to home school your child, just as school teachers do not know everything about the topics they teach. And, in schools, some teachers know more than others. With home schooling, the most important thing is to have a love of learning and to raise your child to be enthusiastic about learning and to explore things with you and independently. With that foundation, you can teach what you know, and for those things you don’t know, you can explore those topics together.

Becky

August 9th, 2011
3:13 pm

@Tiger..Just the opposite for me, she would have to take out all of the carrots for me to eat it..I like them raw, not cooked..My two aren’t fussy eaters, so the peas would be ok for them..In fact, they LOVE shrimp fried rice and eat it at least once per week..

@MJG..Not big on a mini van, but love to have another truck or small SUV..I would rather drive one of them instead of a car..

@shaggy..You can have my share of the beer..Never have like it..Rum or Crown was my drink of choice int he day..Then white wine..

JJ

August 9th, 2011
3:39 pm

@Shaggy – I’m a beer lover too……Grew up on the stuff, 9 miles from the Coors factory……started drinking beer at the tender age of 16. I’ve had a love/hate relationship with beer…….but I tell ya, nothing says Sunday like a nice cold beer in front of a good football game!!!!

Rode The Yellow Bus Until 11th Grade

August 9th, 2011
3:53 pm

Shaggy,

Stocks in the public square! LOL! I’d pay $5 per day admission and $15 per day fruit/vegetables to see that. I’d even wake up early to be there and to get to work on time. Really, there needs to be a police office at the drop off/pick up lane asking parents the reason they aren’t using the bus. Ticket those without good reasons to pay the cops and discourage the practice. Might even prevent a couple child abductions each year.

tracey

August 9th, 2011
3:57 pm

mine have ridden the bus and been driven to school by us. when we lived in florida, it was easier to take them to school. my oldest one can walk to school here, and my younger one rides the bus. i also never worried about ice packs in their lunch. they either bought lunch at school or they just brown bagged it. i’m not a helicopter mom. they have to learn to be independent. i’m not having a 30 y/o in my basement.

Jake

August 9th, 2011
4:17 pm

You guys gave me a great laugh today!

shaggy

August 9th, 2011
4:29 pm

JJ,

Beer and Sunday football? You are definately going to heaven, plus don’t you like dogs too? That is the much sought after trifecta. I think the Catholics call that the trinity…or maybe it’s the Baptists I see lined up in the liquor store on Saturday.

Treeofwoe

August 9th, 2011
4:46 pm

Yes only the day care workers or government schools can provide proper lunches for my children? Really? LOL It’s a wonder we all survived our poor hapless parents (sarcasm intented). I wonder if the study included exactly HOW LONG the food would have to be “under-heated” or “under-chilled” or packed “improperly” in order to grow enough bad juju to actually do harm. I doubt longer than the 3 – 4 hours it would take between start of school to stomach. Are we really becoming this neurotic?