Airline CEO: No babies allowed in first class

Dad Days of Summer: While Momania’s Theresa Walsh Giarrusso takes a vacation, local dad and sportswriter Andy Johnston will be filling in. You can e-mail him at ajcmomania@gmail.com.

I read the other day that Malaysia Airlines, which has banned kids from first class on its 747s since 2004, will not allow them to sit in the pricey seats when its Airbus A380s are introduced next year.

According to a New York Times blog, CEO Tengku Azmil said the decision was based on the complaints from passengers and having no room for changing tables in the bathrooms in first class.

Having kids in first class is an extremely touchy issue for flyers who prefer that area be reserved for adults, or at least older children, who would enjoy the comfy seats, extra space and other luxuries. We’ve flown with Ty several times since he was 2 months old, and I couldn’t imagine him sitting in first class on a couple of those trips, even though he’s an excellent flier, for the most part.

When he was younger, we tried to sit as far away from other passengers as possible for two reasons:

  1. To give us more room
  2. In case of some unruliness, to have a buffer between us and our fellow passengers

And I couldn’t imagine spending the big bucks for a first-class ticket for a toddler.

An MSNBC article from two years ago sourced the results from a couple of surveys that supported keeping children out of first class.

An overwhelming majority of air travelers to a recent survey by Skytrax — 9 in 10 respondents — said families with children should be seated in a separate section on flights, presumably not in first class.

Another poll by corporate travel agency Carlson Wagonlit found that business travelers, who are most frequently found in the business- and first-class cabins, believe crying babies are the second-most annoying aspect of air travel. The first? Air travelers who carry too much luggage on board.

If people can afford it, they should be able to buy first-class tickets for their kids. But before clicking on the confirm button, hopefully they would employ some sort of common sense and realize if it’s truly the right decision.

Should babies and toddlers be banned from first class on all airlines?

Do you think airlines should have family-only sections on planes?

Do you have any kids-related horror stories from your first-class flights?

- By Andy Johnston, for the Momania blog

140 comments Add your comment

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
11:40 am

@aquagirl….got satire?

or does that require a :-) at the end of it for you to get that it was a tongue in cheek statement.

I will admit though that a relaxing drink before a flight allows me to deal with people I presume you are like who disregard all overhead bin recommendations and carry on their oversized luggage then complain about how there is no room on airlines anymore….. :-)

(smiley face added for your benefit)

Becky

July 5th, 2011
11:46 am

My two are nine and haven’t flown on a plane yet..I have flown several times and have never encountered any problems with kids or adults..I wil lbe taking my two on a flight within the next few months as they want to fly to VA.

Like others have already said, I would rather be on a flight with a baby or toddler that the parents are prepared for any misbehaving than a person that is drunk or taking up half of my seat..

As for first class, don’t think that I would pay the cost to fly little ones..Mainly (as stated) for the cost and yes, I think that most people that fly in frist class would like a little bit of quiet..I know thats just my opinion, so, I’m ready to be run thru the mill for it..

BlondeHoney

July 5th, 2011
11:46 am

In defense of MJG, I think they call it “business class” for a reason…

Lori

July 5th, 2011
11:55 am

To The Big Bopper….there is no “sense of entitlement” to note. If I PAY for a first class seat for my child, then I am darn well entitled to what I PAID for!!!!

JJ

July 5th, 2011
12:00 pm

How about an airline, that’s devoted to all the uppity child-free people. But then I’m sure they’d find something else to complain about.

And while we’re at it, let’s make child-free restaurants, malls, movie theaters, theme parks, water parks, aquariums, beach resorts, museums, zoos, public pools, public parks, cities, etc for all those who hate kids.

Aquagirl

July 5th, 2011
12:01 pm

Tiger, I’m relieved to hear that. Smiley face back ‘atcha. :-)

BTW, I still check a bag (paying money instead of inconveniencing others–gasp!) when traveling for more than a couple of days. So next time you fly, feel free to have a Red Bull instead and pummel the $&# out of the oversized carry-on people.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
12:07 pm

Never had the desire for a RedBull….but I hear it’s great with a shot of vodka!

JJ

July 5th, 2011
12:12 pm

Everythings better with a shot of Vodka.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
12:21 pm

I think that those who are so passionately against children fouling up their airline pleasure have forgotten the one….simple….rub to the matter. Nokidsrequired, big bopper, aquagirl…etc….when you purchase an airline ticket, you are booking a ride on PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION. With the exception of airlines like Malaysian, it is implicit that you are willing to travel with any and all members of the general public. It is your right to purchase tickets that are prohibitively expensive for the vast majority of the general public, but at the end of the day, you are really only weeding out those with less financial means than you, and that’s all you can be expected to weed out.

I assume that you purchased cars for the convenience and comfort of not having to abide by a public transportation schedule and also so that you don’t have to share your ride with those that you see as undesirable to travel with like you would on a bus, or a subway. With the purchase of your automobile, you have purchased travel exclusivity.

Like I’ve said earlier, that option is still available to you when it comes to air travel and it’s called chartered airlines. You have the right to be as exclusive as you choose to be, albeit you may not have the financial means attain that level. With that in mind, when you have to sit next to a child in first class, be disappointed in yourself for not doing well enough financially to afford the exclusivity you truly desire, not at the parent of that child for achieving the same level of financial success as you.

Brian

July 5th, 2011
12:24 pm

No different than the crying adults that sit there now.

TGT

July 5th, 2011
12:25 pm

Regardless of where a family with small children chooses to sit, the parents have a responsibility and so do the other passengers seated near them. The parents should obviously be prepared to deal with their children(ie, have books games, snacks, etc.), and the passengers seated nearby shouldn’t automatically roll their eyes and expect a tantrum. I have 2 boys ages 2 and 4, and I live in Alaska which means flying to go anywhere. I feel that my wife and I are prepared and that our 2 boys are great fliers(they sleep some of the time, and they understand that throwing things or kicking the seat in front isn’t OK). Before I became a parent, I would say that adults were way more annoying than any child I sat near. I still have issues with adult passengers sneezing and coughing while not covering their mouths and generally invading my space. Don’t assume kids will be misbehaving, and cut them some slack because your glare or insensitive attitude might be taking away from an exciting and potentially fun filled event for them. Try the friendly approach first, and if the parents don’t realize their child is doing something inappropriate, politely bring it to their attention. Happy flying!

BlondeHoney

July 5th, 2011
12:29 pm

I’m in firm agreement with JJ…EVERYTHING is better with vodka. And Tiger, my sis used to drink red bull & vodka…not my cup of tea so to speak :)

Mafe PId

July 5th, 2011
12:31 pm

I think babies should be banned period – today’s parents are largely morons and raising insufferable creatures.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
12:34 pm

“parents are largely morons and raising insufferable creatures”…..as evidenced by comments by you and nokidsrequired.

Mafe PId

July 5th, 2011
12:37 pm

I’m not a parent and do even want to be around children. Many parent HAVE to have kids and then complain about having them for the next 18 years. I think we need to require parental tests.

shaggy

July 5th, 2011
12:42 pm

“I’m not a parent and do even want to be around children. Many parent HAVE to have kids and then complain about having them for the next 18 years. I think we need to require parental tests.”

Yes, but then YOUR parents would have flunked.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
12:42 pm

@mafe pld….so you “do” or “don’t” want to be around children?

Frequent Flier with kids

July 5th, 2011
12:51 pm

Why do people think that flying is akin to going to a tranquil spa? It is far from it. You are paying for the airline to move you from one place to the next in a manner faster than other transportation options. Unless you buy the seats around you or charter a plane, you have no say in who is on the plane with you. There are just as many loud adults, jabbering away using the speaker functions on their cell phones, trying to push their over-sized bags into the overhead compartment, taking up valuable overhead space with their smaller items so nothing will be under the seat in front of them (then yelling at youw when you rearrange something), stretching out over more than one seat with arms & newspapers (& sometimes larger frames – just because I am petite doesn’t mean you can have half my seat). My children are pretty well traveled and mostly have excellent behavior on airplanes. I say mostly because they’ve each had their moments, but fortunately those have been few & brief. I bring more than enough for them to do, watch, play, eat, etc. as we’ve been in every kind of delay imaginable. Due to airline status, we got upgraded on a late-night flight that was already delayed by 3 hours. It was fantastic for all of us to have that extra space to spread out & get some sleep. We looked good to get a similar upgrade on our return flight when I found out about an unwritten (or at least not written anywhere I’ve searched) policy on Delta – medallion companion upgrades are only good for kids 8 & older. In one way, I understand the policy since first/business class is usually occupied by solo, business travelers. However, they mostly got there the same way – not by purchasing those tickets, but by earning the miles to get the upgrades. I felt a bit slighted.

InTownGal

July 5th, 2011
1:01 pm

I travel a lot and my husband is a commercial pilot who tells me WAY to much about flying in general. We have no kids and yes I’m one of those folks who see a kid coming down and aisle and secretly think “please not here, not here” BUT, I feel the same way about an overweight person too. After all the changes in the airlines w/in the last 11 years, less leg room, the packed flights, bag fees, and service reduction in general I would say my expectations are pretty low. It’s no different than a grey hound bus these days except you happen to be in the air! What do you expect when you can fly cross country for $350 dollars? Well, you shouldn’t expect much except for them to get you up in the air, to your destination and on the ground safely.
I don’t see why a parent would spend the money on a business class ticket for a toddler, but if you’ve got the money to burn and it’s not against airline policy to fly with a todder in those premium seats well then by all means.
My best advice for flying these days: Xanax, wine, ear plugs and eye mask. With this combination you won’t even know you’re on a plane and works like a charm!

PLee

July 5th, 2011
1:01 pm

1. This is not a US airline. 2. Children are NOT a protective class of citizens in the US. So the Malaysian Airline has every right to restrict children from first class.
I wish more airlines and restaurants and other public venues did the same. I am tired a paying for meals ruin by children crying and running or having food fights. The same goes for movies. If you can’t afford a babysitter, then wait to rent the movie.
Only twice in my 50 years do I recall well-behave children in a public place.

Tom

July 5th, 2011
1:01 pm

Thank God! A sensible airline at last! Of course, US airlines can’t follow suit because it wouldn’t be Politically Correct. Good for you, Malaysia Airlines.

JATL

July 5th, 2011
1:06 pm

I’m all for a family section and for no one under age 7? 5? something logical in first class! I cannot imagine how angry I would be if I paid for first class airfare and had to listen to a screaming, whining or otherwise annoying child. I would never take mine first class unless they were truly old enough to be quiet and sit still -and mine are good fliers! You just never know though with small children!

Mafe PId

July 5th, 2011
1:11 pm

I do NOT want children – typo – I would rather die actually. I know I am not cut out to be a parent but it seems many don’t realize this and think that just because they can biologically reproduce they MUST. Others think that because they have them that the rest of us want to be around them…ie on planes. YOu may have paid for the kids seat but you didn’t pay for mine and until you do you need to keep them quiet.

DK

July 5th, 2011
1:16 pm

To those who keep saying “if I buy the seat for my child he has a RIGHT (emphasis supplied) to set in it.” you’re right. However, what you’re missing is that Malaysia Airlines has rights too and it’s their RIGHT not to sell you the dam# thing if you plan to put a kid in it. To the idiots that want to whine about overweight fliers being denied first class boarding, when have you ever seen a passenger spill out of a first class seat? My wife and I are both large people (I’m over 300 lbs) and we usually get business or first class tickets because we can be comfortable in a seat that is large enough to accommodate us. I’ve never seen someone attempt to fly who was so large that the premium seat wasn’t large enough to accommodate them. I’m sure it’s happened, but very rare. If you don’t like Malaysia Airlines’ new policy, take your brats and sense of entitlement to another airline. That way you get to enjoy your rights and Malaysia Airlines gets to enjoy their rights as well.

TB

July 5th, 2011
1:16 pm

About time. I don’t think kids under 12 should be allowed in first class. I like the idea of there being a children’s sections like there used to be a smoking section. Have your seat kicked and pulled on an entire four hour flight and you’ll feel the same way.

Kat

July 5th, 2011
1:16 pm

@InTownGal: I completely agree with you. You are paying to get from one place to the other. If you want complete privacy, charter a plane (if you have the funds) or drive/rent a car (if you have less funds). Having said that, I’ve not yet flown with my children (10 and 5 and 5), but expect to do so in the next year or so. I would never allow them to bother other people, because I know how to treat others!

I would also say that we have more to fear from adults (potential terrorists, obese, drunk, loud, boisterous, too touchy-feeley, smelly) than from kids (loud, boisterous, smelly).

Aquagirl

July 5th, 2011
1:18 pm

it is implicit that you are willing to travel with any and all members of the general public.

Sure. The unwashed, the drunks, and the just plain obnoxious are all members of the general public, along with attentive/considerate parents, well-behaved children, and polite people. I’m not proposing banning anyone (well, maybe the drunk) from flights.

I think it’s the idea that it’s appropriate to take your child anywhere at any time that’s the sticking point. What’s wrong with making a few places for grown-ups? You can see the same thing in the kids-in-restaurant battles. A few cranks don’t want kids anywhere, including McDonalds. A few parents think their toddler should be welcome at the Ritz, because if THEY paid, then it’s THEIR right to enjoy fine dining while their kid screams and throws the occasional handful of food.

The rest of us are generally in the middle, where adults complaining of noise at Chuck E. Cheese and children crying in a first class cabin are both quite legal, but [bleeping] rude.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
1:20 pm

@Tom…”Of course, US airlines can’t follow suit because it wouldn’t be Politically Correct”

@Plee…”I wish more airlines and restaurants and other public venues did the same”

I think you’re giving the airlines a wee bit too much credit…..Do you honestly think that the airlines (and restaurants, et al) have not made the no kids in first class (and others public venues) policy because of political correctness? Seriously?

I hate to break it to you, but the reason the business masses haven’t made these policies is pure and simple economics. The margins on first class seats are off the chain…so much off the chain the that the airlines know that one first class seat filled at the expense of your comfort is worth WAY more to them than you being happy and them being out of the fare and the kid and parent being in coach.

Furthermore…they’re right. If restaurants, airlines, movies, etc all started making restrictive policies on the multitudes of us currently with children, and those who have had children and still view them sympathetically…the backlash would put them out of business. So unfortunately for you….and something you’re just going to have to deal with..is that you are at the bottom of the economic darwin-istic survival of the fittest barrel.

Hate the game…not the players.

Black and White Smiley Faces ☺☻

July 5th, 2011
1:20 pm

Why should a passenger in first class be “protected” from children any more so than the poor soul in coach who is squeezed into a seat that is two-thirds the size of the first class seat and whose knees are bruised by the person in front of them feeling “entitled” to lean their seat back?

A lot of people here are missing the point completely.

There is a reasonable expectation of a traveler not having to deal with aggravating noise, distraction, and bothersome people. Be they severely obese people, little kids, or immature adults.

Simply buying a ticket does not circumvent expectations of courtesy and consideration for your fellow travelers.

A good analogy is the left-lane drivers who say “I’LL DRIVE IN THE LEFT LANE IF i WANT TO I’TS A PUBLIC HIGHWAY!!!” while blocking faster-moving traffic. A sense of entitlement, of course.

Notice that I said not one word about being “child free” or any such thing.

I would prefer to fly first class sometimes and choose not too, but in doing so I accept that they paid for a more comfortable & relaxed flight than me if I am in coach seats. That’s life.

I don’t have a problem with kids; they’re kids, after all. Unfortunately, quite often you can’t count on a large number of parents to control their children and they do not make any effort to prevent the agitation of others. (I have lots of admiration for the parents who do make kids behave however).

The Bald Eagle

July 5th, 2011
1:21 pm

It does seem unfair and discriminatory, buuuttt a whaling baby will ruin the flight for an entire section and uncontrolled kids are just terrible if happen to sit near them. I dislike sitting anywhere near babies or young children even in coach. I’d be pretty upset if I dolled out the cash for 1st class and had to put up with that.
I’m intrigued by the idea of a seperate family section, with more kid friendly seats, aminities for babies with their required gear, and maybe sound isolating insolation for the rest of us.

Black and White Smiley Faces ☺☻

July 5th, 2011
1:22 pm

“I think it’s the idea that it’s appropriate to take your child anywhere at any time that’s the sticking point.”

+1

No Sympathy

July 5th, 2011
1:33 pm

Dear Baby Factory:

I didn’t get you knocked up, so don’t look at me. You act like you’re the only one in history to experience the miracle of childbirth. News flash: every single person on this silly planet was the result of a pregnancy. There is NOTHING SPECIAL about being pregnant, having a baby, being a baby, or especially your baby.
If you want to carry on your imperfect genes, that’s fine. But please have the decency to keep that disgusting noisy little creature at home where I don’t have to hear or see it.
Yes, I am using this umbrella, and No, I didn’t suggest you bring a newborn to the hotel pool on a sunny, 92-degree Saturday afternoon.
No, it’s not ok if you bring your kid in my office. Get a sitter.
I realize that procreating is the next best thing to having meaningful existence to all the high-school diploma-waving Baptists in Cobb and Cherokee Counties, but you need to undrstand that it isn’t “cool” or “chic” or even mildly amusing to those of us who are considerate enough to leave those things at home with their nannies.
And please don’t get me started on what you look like in those shorts. But of course you didn’t look much better before you started popping out those little ginger babies, did you?

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
1:33 pm

@ aquagirl…I don’t think I’ve insinuated once that out of control kids are entitled to access to any and all public venues. I believe in this particular argument, only those who can travel responsibly should be entitled to access to air travel. That is all inclusive, kids and adults.

I believe travelling responsibly is age specific. I don’t like to hear an infant wailing because his/her ears hurt taking off and landing. It’s awful. But I don’t think that precludes an infant from getting on the plane. It’s the way it goes, babies cry…good babies cry and it’s a risk I’m willing to take when I fly without having malicious thoughts to the parents or the baby.

Now a 6 year old who can’t sit still for a majority of the flight and keep his/her voice to a indoor speaking level is not a responsible traveler. Just like an adult who engages in those activities is not a responsible traveller. By the same token, if you take the position that when you’re on the aisle seat and a well behaved kid at the window wakes you up to get by you so that he/she can go to the restroom with more frequency than you prefer and THAT is a reason kids are horrible to travel with…then you’re just whining.

Firewoman

July 5th, 2011
1:40 pm

Aquagirl hates everyone except illegal aliens! Ignore her rants.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
1:40 pm

@ black and white smiley faces…

Allow me to apologize and rescind all my inclusions of you in my criticisms. You hit the nail right on the head.

@No sympathy….I had one child when at the age of 33 and with 10 years of marriage and a successful career in the makings. He’s 7 now and he will never ask you for any favors. If you ever run into him please take a moment to feel sorry for him that he has to be in the presence of someone like you who obviously dislikes him just for breathing the same air as you.

DB

July 5th, 2011
1:45 pm

@B&W: A good analogy is the left-lane drivers who say “I’LL DRIVE IN THE LEFT LANE IF i WANT TO I’TS A PUBLIC HIGHWAY!!!” while blocking faster-moving traffic. A sense of entitlement, of course. Poor analogy, as there are traffic laws that govern the conduct of drivers, and one of the laws is that slower traffic must drive on the right; therefore, they are breaking the law if they are impeding the safe flow of traffic.

There are no “laws” that govern who can purchase a seat in the first class section of an airplane. I don’t argue with an airline making that decision — that is their business model, and it’s their decision. However, without a public policy in place, if a kid’s parent wants to shell out for the upgrade, that’s their decision, and they can’t get voted off the island by the other passengers in first class just because they were hoping for a child-free flight. Most kids are well-behaved — we only notice and cringe at the badly-behaved ones.

Let’s face it, a crying baby seated on Row 10 is going to upset First Class just as much as if they were sitting IN First Class. First Class is not sound-proofed — they might have that snooty little curtain that they pull to give the first class passengers an air of exclusivity, but it doesn’t do ANYTHING for sound dampening. EVERYONE on a plane hears a crying baby — regardless of where they are sitting.

Tiffany

July 5th, 2011
1:51 pm

@ Spacey…the most important thing is to make sure your child/children are well rested the day(s) before you travel. I never plan on waking my kids up earlier than normal on a travel day. That is setting us up for disaster. If your children are on a set nap/bedtime schedule, try to adhere to your home timezone as much as possible while you are traveling (not really possible internationally but we travel to the west coast frequently so we try to hit a middle ground). Now that my kids are bit older, that isn’t quite as critical but I still try to stick to it. A child with jet lag, or tired for any reason, is not a child I want to be around. In fact, I believe that is 75% of the problem with kids across the board – not enough rest.

On the plane, we bring DVDs and music. Headphones for everyone and an extra set – just in case. Bring battery back up, too. I try to limit the flight to 2-2.5 hours. Traveling farther than that, I plan for a layover somewhere. Even 30 minutes of walking around an airport between flights makes a HUGE difference in their demeanor – and I can usually recharge electronics. I also pack snacks – ones they aren’t usually allowed to have or maybe even a special purchase at the airport. (It’s all in the presentation of the cool things you can only do on plane!!) I bring their sippy cups/water bottles and flavored drink packets. I can’t go thru security with liquids but I can always find a water fountain. Each child carries their own backpack they pack with the toys they want to carry. We do this the day before and they can only play with toys, watch DVDs, play their DS, play cards, eat snacks, drink, etc AFTER take off. We people watch out the window and concentrate on how cool taking off is before that. They are happy to play with the toys they have packed because they haven’t seen them in about 24 hours so they seem so new!

Tiffany

July 5th, 2011
1:51 pm

@nokidsrequired…I am so impressed with people who have made the decision not to have children. I wish more people would have the wisdom to make that decision, realizing they are not made to be parents and are not willing to make parenting sacrafices. I would, however, caution you not to judge those parents who are actually doing their job and do it well. If more people would see that kids are not a requirement, this discusion would be moot. Well parented children are rarely public nuisances but as Erica and others pointed out, everyone has meltdowns, bad moments, etc. – even adults.

CC

July 5th, 2011
1:51 pm

Airlines are a form of public transport, if you are expecting anything else get your own plane.

DB

July 5th, 2011
1:57 pm

@Tiffany: *clap, clap, clap, clap, clap* Well said!

Crybaby

July 5th, 2011
2:07 pm

So, I’m sitting on the plane, and it’s still on the tarmack, but I already have the urge to drop a load in my pants.
Then I’m looking around and all I see is old men, but I don’t see my Grammy anywhere. And I don’t even know where the f**k my bankey is.
So, immediately I simultaneously fill my diaper with toxic sludge and begin wailing like a Palestinian funeral attendant. Before you can say “ba-ba” this pinhead flight attendant is talking smack to the center of my universe and saying maybe it would be better if moved to a more remote section of the plane because I might disturb less people there. Well, you can guess what I did next. I reached in my diaper and pulled out a handful of Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp and wiped all over the back of the head of the guy in the seat in front of me. And that’s how I got elected Governor of Georgia.

Mark

July 5th, 2011
2:09 pm

I declined my updrade last weekend as I was not going to sit in first class with my toddler. Regardless of where you sit though, parents need to do there best to keep their children well behaved. I’ll take a crying baby though over a toddler throwing peanuts, etc any day. As an infant, my baby was a very good flyer. As a toddler though, it will be a little rougher. We have a cross country flight booked for August and I am already nervous. Really considering some benadryl (sp?).

Aquagirl

July 5th, 2011
2:10 pm

only those who can travel responsibly should be entitled to access to air travel. That is all inclusive, kids and adults.

Small children are incapable of responsible behavior. They drool. They shriek at random moments. They wiggle and run around. That’s not saying children are bad, it’s their nature. Parents who have the attitude that these perfectly normal behaviors should be tolerated everywhere, despite the inconvenience of anyone else, are jerks.

Flying with children is largely a matter of convenience for THE PARENTS. Yes, there are places inaccessible by car, and funerals, etc. But by and large, the PARENTS don’t want to spend the time driving or can’t stand being trapped in a car with their kids. So they shove them in a metal tube with a bunch of strangers. Why would I cut these people any slack? They put THEIR OWN convenience ahead of everyone else, including their kids.

Aquagirl hates everyone except illegal aliens! Ignore her rants

Yep, I’m starting up Illegal Immigrants With Sixteen Children Airlines. I promise not to forget about you when I’m richer than Bill Gates.

Frequent Traveler

July 5th, 2011
2:10 pm

*Tiffany* You are an anomaly. From my travel and personal experience, the majority of today’s parents don’t give a cr*p about their kids, NOT ONLY on a airplane, but in restaurants, at the mall, etc. And God forbid if you mention anything about their bundle of joy, you get the “not my child” response. Sigh…

I applaud Malaysia Airlines and their decision – and right – to ban children from first class. Sure you have the “right” to pay for a seat in first class, but you are not “entitled” to have little Johnny cause chaos in the cabin.

Robert

July 5th, 2011
2:22 pm

I think all airlines should have dedicated “family” flights targeted to those that think or know they cannot control their children. The question of entitlement is not about who can and cannot afford a 1st class seat but instead who one expects to care for their children. It does NOT take a village – that is the stupidest crap I have ever heard. It takes parents that are willing to discipline. The entitled are those that believe that if they must suffer then everyone must suffer equally.

Flight attendants on “family” flights should receive combat pay for all the extra stuff they have to put up with – ‘can you warm this bottle for me”, “I had to change my kid right here, can you throw this away for me”, “my child threw his action figure 5 rows back, can you find it for me?”

A Disney airline would be GREAT – they already have a small fleet of cruiseships.

Which leads to another question – who legitimately should be allowed to fly on Virgin Air ?

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
2:26 pm

@aquagirl….”Small children are incapable of responsible behavior’…how small are you talking here? give me an age threshhold that you would like to see banned. I’m curious.

“They drool”…are they shaking their heads violently causing the drool to fly onto you? Or do you just find the sight of that distasteful and thus feel you shouldn’t have to see it?

“So they shove them in a metal tube with a bunch of strangers”…should these same rules apply to other forms of public transporation “tubes” like the subway systems of any major metropolitan city?

JJ

July 5th, 2011
2:30 pm

@No Sympathy – you should have directed your rant at your own parents. At one point, you were someone’s sweet little baby. What happened?

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
2:36 pm

@ Frequent Traveler….Tiffany described to a tee exactly how I prepare for traveling with my kid since he was a toddler.

Wow…two anomalies on one blog on the same day.

My closest friends with children prepare and travel with the number one concern being that we have prepared our children to be quietly entertained for the duration of the flight. And the hammer comes down with any misbehaving. The worst thing I experience is that my kid is bored. Tough.

My kid is 7 now and has taken probably 3 – 4 plane rides a year with us since he was an infan.

I see in the vast majority of the other parents eyes exactly what I feel in my head which is we do whatever we can to be responsible parents to make sure our kids travel responsibly.

All these “anomalies” that I witness with frequency almost makes me think that you’re cherry picking and singling out the vocal minority and painting the rest of us with that brush.

Uncle Phil

July 5th, 2011
2:41 pm

Life is short, I fly a lot, and at 6′5″ I never book one of those toy planes because of the seating… I never recline my seat out of respect for the person behind me.. I’ll take kids next to me if I have just a little leg room.. I keep my elbows off the armrest, I book 5 am flights to get the exit rows if I can… but some children have been super, and some bad, but adults have caused me more grief than kids.. If a parent is trying, then I just accept it looking forward to the landing. When I fly first, and there are children there, I think wow what leg room to be able to have… bad knees, leg room is key, my worst experience in first was from a lady behind me who intentially kicked the back of my seat the whole flight from hawaii to Atlanta, I tried to ignore her, and when we landed I saw that she was a 2million miler!!!… delta… and thought no child ever behaved so badly, She gave me a new benchmark of ‘bad behavior’.. so if a child acts up, I think of her and say :”at least she is not on this palne” and await the landing…

jarvis

July 5th, 2011
2:44 pm

@ No Sympathy, I think you have some pedophilac tendencies.