Airline CEO: No babies allowed in first class

Dad Days of Summer: While Momania’s Theresa Walsh Giarrusso takes a vacation, local dad and sportswriter Andy Johnston will be filling in. You can e-mail him at ajcmomania@gmail.com.

I read the other day that Malaysia Airlines, which has banned kids from first class on its 747s since 2004, will not allow them to sit in the pricey seats when its Airbus A380s are introduced next year.

According to a New York Times blog, CEO Tengku Azmil said the decision was based on the complaints from passengers and having no room for changing tables in the bathrooms in first class.

Having kids in first class is an extremely touchy issue for flyers who prefer that area be reserved for adults, or at least older children, who would enjoy the comfy seats, extra space and other luxuries. We’ve flown with Ty several times since he was 2 months old, and I couldn’t imagine him sitting in first class on a couple of those trips, even though he’s an excellent flier, for the most part.

When he was younger, we tried to sit as far away from other passengers as possible for two reasons:

  1. To give us more room
  2. In case of some unruliness, to have a buffer between us and our fellow passengers

And I couldn’t imagine spending the big bucks for a first-class ticket for a toddler.

An MSNBC article from two years ago sourced the results from a couple of surveys that supported keeping children out of first class.

An overwhelming majority of air travelers to a recent survey by Skytrax — 9 in 10 respondents — said families with children should be seated in a separate section on flights, presumably not in first class.

Another poll by corporate travel agency Carlson Wagonlit found that business travelers, who are most frequently found in the business- and first-class cabins, believe crying babies are the second-most annoying aspect of air travel. The first? Air travelers who carry too much luggage on board.

If people can afford it, they should be able to buy first-class tickets for their kids. But before clicking on the confirm button, hopefully they would employ some sort of common sense and realize if it’s truly the right decision.

Should babies and toddlers be banned from first class on all airlines?

Do you think airlines should have family-only sections on planes?

Do you have any kids-related horror stories from your first-class flights?

- By Andy Johnston, for the Momania blog

140 comments Add your comment

fred

July 5th, 2011
12:53 am

I dont want to even be on a plane much less next to one in first class

Travel Mom

July 5th, 2011
4:27 am

I flew first class with my sone when he was about 6 months old. He had his own paid for seat for his car seat because I do not belive in LAP BABIES on the plane. A business flyer wanted them to “bump” us and the flight attendant said that we had paid for that seat and she wasn’r going to make me hold the baby.

He slept the whole time. It was an expensive nap but I would do it again in a heart beat.

ptcitychick

July 5th, 2011
6:34 am

I DO have a horror story re: babies in first class. I was travelling to London in business elite (Delta’s international first class) and a couple with an 18 mo. old baby sat behind me. The baby was cranky from the get-go so I knew it would be bad. The child cried and pitched a fit the entire way to London (in the middle of the night). The flight attendant asked the dad to walk the baby to quiet him, but the dad said that “no” he didn’t want to. The flight attendant proceeded to tell him that “yes” he was going to walk the child because we all (in first class) needed a break. You think? Even my noise cancelling headphones didn’t help! There needs to be a family zone on the airplane, and not in first class.

shaggy

July 5th, 2011
6:42 am

One vote here for a “family only” section, with a partition of some kind. It is such a pain to sit near a screaming child.
What is worse, are the parents that won’t control their older kids and have that vacant smile that says, “you should be honored to watch after little Timmy, while I watch the movie.” I throw peanuts at these numbskulls and whisper to little Timmy that the plane is crashing and were all gonna die.

flyer

July 5th, 2011
6:44 am

Wealthy people and business travelers don’t need to be shielded from crying babies any more than the rest of us. Malaysia Airlines can do what they want, but first a class tickets doesn”t buy silence. This is American and the rich are not royalty. Let em deal with it like us lower class folk in the back.

Anne

July 5th, 2011
7:14 am

Maybe Disney could come up with an airline where only families could fly and then all the screaming children and parents can be on one flight and have to deal with the chaos. The other lines could be adult only or have a minimum age limit to fly (12) and if the kid becomes unruly just throw them out.

Michael

July 5th, 2011
7:25 am

I don’t mind crying, it’s the incessant, inane talking I hate. Those moms need to shut up.

Aquagirl

July 5th, 2011
7:36 am

Flaming posts from angry, entitled parents in 3…2…1…

Mitzymy

July 5th, 2011
7:42 am

One year we took our children to Disney World in Florida, and we flew the DisneyWorld express (2 hrs) with a plane filled with children and their parents. My granddaughter was even allowed in the cockpit and sat on the female pilots lap, while we took pictures. Before the plane took off the children were as noisy as they could be, but it was exciting. When the plane left the airport they all went to sleep, including the babies The babies ears are affected sometimes when they fly, and the pain they feel is why they cry and cannot be controlled.

Producer

July 5th, 2011
7:44 am

What ever happened to the saying that “children should be seen and not heard…” Dang right they should be nowhere near first class. It’s bad enough to be near the squalling, unruly brats in restaurants, let alone an airplane! Oh, and I’m talking about the parents, too.

BlondeHoney

July 5th, 2011
7:54 am

Flew from Seattle to Atlanta non-stop on a red-eye next to a crying squirming toddler the entire flight. No sleep to be had on that flight, needless to say. I never stepped on a plane with my boys until they were old enough to not annoy anyone else on the plane so I’m all for a kid’s section.

Beck

July 5th, 2011
7:56 am

Amen Anne!

I love that quote from an AJC Food 101 article several months ago: Hostess: “Will that be smoking or non?” Patron: “How about child free?”

Animal

July 5th, 2011
8:15 am

One first class trip I flew had a couple with a lap top baby in the last row of first. There were screams, tears etc fror much of the last part of the flight despite the best efforts of the parents. While waiting to for the plane door to open, I noticed them sheepishly avoiding eye contact with anyone else in the first class cabin. When I caught the dad’s eye, I simply said, “I’ve been there before” with a smile. Just about everyone else chimed in with similar comments, an the family deplaned with their heads held high. The first class cabin that day was composed of far more adults than that have posted here.

Tiffany

July 5th, 2011
8:19 am

I would never waste the money on first class for a toddler/child. I have flown with both of my children since they were babies – at least once a year. I always try to sit in the back of the plane. I bring PLENTY of snacks/entertainment/distractions. I do not board until the very END (never during that pre-board time period)!!! I see people’s look of fear as we board sometimes. I have also had people comment on how good they were during the flight. I correct any misbehavior immediately and have even explained we won’t get to stay at our destination if they bother people on the plane. I would not want to be stuck in a “family” section with some people – just because my kids are 9 and 6. That’s a HUGE part of why we homeschool! …that and the opportunity to travel – often on a plane!

The dad in first class who wouldn’t walk the baby on the overnight flight was wrong to a degree that can not be defined. I would have bent over backwards not to bother others on the flight.

Entitled Kids

July 5th, 2011
8:23 am

I upgraded my family’s tix to first class when they flew cross country to meet me. My son was 5 and my daughter was 9 months at the time but since it was only my husband, I wanted him to have the extra room for dealing with two kids. We already knew my son was a good flier( he’s done trans-atlantic flights no problem) but hubby was prepared to walk our daughter if need be. And yes, he got death glares as soon as he sat down but both kids were quiet and were complimented by other passengers at the end of the flight. It all boils down to parents knowing what their kids can handle and taking responsibility for their behavior. We also booked that flight in the evening to ensure the kids would sleep.

BlondeHoney

July 5th, 2011
8:31 am

Also agree totally that it’s not so much the kids as it is the parents who make no effort to soothe/amuse their children; they give all flying babies everywhere a bad name. A family section is a good compromise; maybe the good parents can exert peer pressure on the not-so-good ones.

Lori

July 5th, 2011
8:33 am

If I pay for a first class seat, then my child has just as much right to it as anyone else. All this talk about “family sections”, really grumpy people just need to get over it. Sometime you have to fly and sometimes that includes with kids/infants. I’ll try my best to keep my child occupied so as not to disrupt other passengers, but honestly, I’ve been more annoyed by the other ADULTS flying than by any kids I’ve encountered on planes. Adults get drunk, can be loud, snore on you while they sleep, block you way when you need to use the restroom & are rude to the flight attendants.

Andiamo

July 5th, 2011
8:34 am

Both of my toddlers have racked up frequent flyer miles well into the five digits (what happens when one has family scattered about the globe). I’ve flown with them in business class and in coach, and the rare meltdowns they’ve had have been in the coach section, not first class.

If the parents are absolutely trying their darnedest to settle a fussy child, give them a break. They know how stressful it is for everybody else around them and the huffy sighs, rolled eyes, and snotty remarks are only dogpiling folks who are already in a rough situation and doing their best to make it better. Now if the parents are utterly ignoring their offspring’s behavior, feel free to make it very clear that they’re creating a problem for people around them.

And to the sanctimonious pearl-clutchers who wouldn’t have dreamt of flying with a small child — it must be so nice to have all your friends and family within easy driving distance!

Fred

July 5th, 2011
8:47 am

While no one rally wants to sit next to a crying baby the whole trip, I’ve been near adults who were much more of a problem than any baby! :(

Sid

July 5th, 2011
8:54 am

I still don’t think they should be there but I’ve done a pretty big 180 otherwise since we’ve had our kids (now 8 & 6). before we had them my blood pressure would spike whenever I heard a screamer in 1st (or even coach), at a nice restaurant, etc but now when I hear one I think “YEAH! it’s not MINE!”…

The Big Bopper

July 5th, 2011
9:07 am

“If I pay for a first class seat, then my child has just as much right to it as anyone else.”

Sense of entitlement recognized and noted.

Black and White Smiley Faces ☺☻

July 5th, 2011
9:14 am

Wealthy people and business travelers don’t need to be shielded from crying babies any more than the rest of us.

Your wealth-envy is starting to show; not just “wealthy people and business travelers” use first class. People don’t “need” to be “shielded” however it is reasonable and prudent to avoid travelers having to suffer the noisy & distractions an unruly child can create. In a confined, small space the effects are even more difficult since the passengers are captive.

The whole point of the first class seating is a more relaxing, pleasant ride. Allowing cantankerous children into first class defeats the purpose of it.

If people can afford it, they should be able to buy first-class tickets for their kids

Strictly being able to afford the tickets does not justify causing great inconvenience to other passengers.

There seems to be a great lack of tact and consideration for others in some of these posts.

This one of the reasons people fear traveling near children. Parents who simply do not care about the stress & grief they cause others simply “because they could afford the ticket it was their right to..”

I speak from personal experience during travel, as well.

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July 5th, 2011
9:23 am

I’d rather sit next to a screaming baby that takes up 1/4th of the seat than the fat guy I had to sit next to from BOS to ATL that spilled over into my seat and was sweaty the WHOLE flight. I couldn’t even sit straight up and had to lean out into the aisle, getting pounded by drink carts no less than 4 times. Airlines need to make fat people buy 2 seats before they designate “family” zones.

justmy2cents

July 5th, 2011
9:24 am

Airlines can choose to restrict children from first class/business class, and families can choose to fly or not fly the airline. Mine are long past the days of toddler meltdowns, but I recently flew to Boston and had a fussy toddler one row up from me. It didn’t help we were stuck on the tarmac for over an hour. By the time we made it to Boston, that child was DONE. All out tantrum, and I can’t say I blamed him. :o)

An easier solution (although probably not cost effective for airlines) is to section off about 1 row, and enclose it with soundproofing material. When any child, or adult, has their meltdown, put them in there so it does not disturb the rest of the passengers.

Spacey

July 5th, 2011
9:36 am

I cannot imagine wasting the money on First Class for a small child. It never occurred to me that someone would.
We are about to take our first flight this fall with a almost 3 year old and an 18 month old. Flight is about 2 hours, 15 minutes. Any suggestions???

motherjanegoose

July 5th, 2011
9:41 am

Love this topic. I read about it last week and discussed it with my husband.

I fly quite a bit…about 25 trips per year. I have never paid for a 1st class ticket but have been upgraded quite a bit. I have noticed that manners, in general, are NOT the same as they used to be.

I recently spoke to a gate agent ( after someone just chewed her out) and she told me, ” I used to work in baggage and wanted to move up. They told me I would be sorry. Bags do not argue with you.” She is right. I cannot imagine dealing with angry people at the gate or in the plane.

More people are flying now than 20 years ago. More people eat out at nicer restaurants too.
The expectations of what children’s behavior should be in both places are missing IMHO. Some grown ups show up in pajama pants and bed hair…WHAT?

I LOVE children. I do not care for unruly children. There are times when crankiness happens in everyone. There are parents who do their best to diffuse it and parents who do nothing.
Sadly, the latter seem to be multiplying. You used to find them at Wal Mart but now they are able to snag a $79 r/t ticket!

WHY pay for a 1st class ticket, to sleep on a long flight or even get some important work done if you
will not be able to do so. Moving small children to coach seems to increase the odds of a productive flight, especially if it is international. If you are planning to meet a client and seal a deal but look like death, that will be a problem. WHAT should those who pay a premium price DO to prepare? ( again, I have NOT paid that price). Are those with the boistrous children even thinking of this?

I applaud all parents who bring a goody bag of entertainment along for their children. Not many do this. We used to bring snacks , books and little toys and actively engage our children the entire flight….unless they were sleeping. We NEVER expected others to adore them while we read our own book. We prepared our kids for the flight.

@BlondeHoney…loved your idea @ 8:31. @Tiffany…thank you!

jarvis

July 5th, 2011
9:42 am

It’s their company, they can do what they want. As a consumer if you don’t like their policy, don’t fly with them.

@Flyer, people pay a premium to a private company for those seats for comfort. It’s not a public bus, if the service provider says that purchasing first class seats on THEIR planes also purchases silence, then it does.

motherjanegoose

July 5th, 2011
9:48 am

Children are NOT adults. Some adults are not adults. Why is it that some people think that they will behave like adults, if they pay the price to BE in an adult environment? This, I do not know!
Do people take children to the opera or business meetinngs?

DB

July 5th, 2011
10:26 am

I’m sure that the Malaysia airline’s decision will be greeted with (quiet) sighs of relief by first class travelers the world over! It’s their call, and they obviously believe that they have found a niche to exploit for business travelers. “Do I pay $50 extra for the Malaysia first class and get guaranteed peace and quiet, or do I save some money and take my chances on Quantas?” I’ve done both — flown in first class with a perfectly behaved baby (wider seats meant more wiggle room for the child without bothering anyone around us), and flown in coach with small children.

I’d rather sit next to a child any day instead of a grossly overweight adult who spends the entire flight with their elbow planted in my side. I sat next to a young woman with a delightful 3 year old in coach on the way back from San Diego last month. He was so excited, and everything on the plane was new and exciting — it was fun to see someone enjoying the experience so completely! He was excited and chirpy for about 45 minutes, but the mom had come prepared, and kept up a steady supply of small snacks and toys coming out of her bag, including a child-appropriate movie on a small hand-held viewer. Before we took off, she was visibly apprehensive as she approached her seat (I was already seated), but relaxed when I smiled at her and greeted the little boy in a friendly manner. You could tell she was dreading sitting next to a cranky old fart who might glare at her for five hours. :-)

I don’t think that children, per se, should be relegated to the “back of the bus” just because of their age, because honestly, I think there are far more well-behaved kids than there are badly-behaved ones. And goodness knows, there are plenty of adults I’d prefer to avoid at all costs! The sick ones that don’t know what to do with their kleenex (hint — stuffing used ones in the seat pocket is NOT acceptable), those who would need a calendar to recall their last bath, etc., etc.

You don’t have a “right” of privacy and peace on a public airline, sorry, any more so than you do in any public venue. You fly first class for the bigger seats, the free drinks and the service. You don’t fly because it is “quiet,” — and if you do, your expectations are too lofty. Charter a Gulfstream if your privacy and quiet are that important to you. Some children are badly behaved on a plane, which is unfortunate, but they are small, and they aren’t finished yet – they are off their schedule and out of their comfort zone, and some people (littles and bigs) don’t handle change well. Anyone who has had kids can look/see a child who is melting down on a plane and think, “there but for the grace of God go I.” It’s not always bad parenting. On one trip, I was chatting with a dad who had his hands full with two kid, probably about 5 and 7. Dad was desperate and asked me to keep an eye on the kids while he ran to the restroom – I did, and the kids were fine. Dad came back, and the whining started up again. He sighed and then told me that he was flying back from his mother-in-law’s funeral and was taking the kids back home and his wife was staying behind to help for a few days. The kids had been through a rough week, with their grandmother sick, dying and the funeral preparations. I guess the lesson is: Don’t assume all parents of cranky kids are bad parents. Sometimes, they are just having a rotten day. Be kind.

nokidsrequired

July 5th, 2011
10:31 am

I don’t have kids, because I’m one of the few people who don’t think kids are necessary in order to have a happy, fulfilled life. Having said that, I don’t think kids should be allowed in public with the exception of going to school until they are about 12. You know the saying: one bad apple spoils the bunch? While there may be good parents out there, there are more bad ones who don’t give a crap about the screaming, tantrums, and just don’t have the ability to control them. You see them everywhere…. the grocery store, restaurants, planes, stores…. I once grabbed a child by the arm in Target who was chasing his sister around the clothing section. I looked him square in the face and told him “STOP RUNNING”. The best part? No parents anywhere around. He looked at me like I had slapped him. Stores are not playground babysitters. If you want more people to be child tolerant, ALL PARENTS have to step up to the plate, and that’s simply just not going to happen, so you have to expect there will continue to be people who can’t stand to be around kids. When I pay for a seat on a plane, regardless of the class, I’m not paying to hear your screaming kid on a 10 hour international flight!

MomsRule

July 5th, 2011
10:34 am

@ The Big Bopper —- “If I pay for a first class seat, then my child has just as much right to it as anyone else.” —- Sense of entitlement recognized and noted.

While I didn’t make the intitial commment, I do agree with it. If I pay for first class seats for my kids (and I have many times) — they ARE entitled to them. What’s your point?

I agree with others – most often it is adults that I find more annoying than babies.

Aquagirl

July 5th, 2011
10:46 am

While I didn’t make the intitial commment, I do agree with it. If I pay for first class seats for my kids (and I have many times) — they ARE entitled to them. What’s your point?

Oh, you’re entitled. Like fat people are entitled to have their flesh overflowing into your seat area, rather than pay for enough space for their own body. Or cologne-addicts are entitled to wear a half-ounce of eau de cheapo to “refresh” the entire plane. Entitled people are self-centered. That’s the point. If it doesn’t bother you to feel entitled to whatever you want, and to h3ll with everyone else, then at least you’re willing to own that.

And let’s not pretend this is about children, it’s about entitled ADULTS who want to sit in first class. The kids are merely little accessories for the entitled adult and along for the ride, so to speak.

DB

July 5th, 2011
10:51 am

@nokidsrequired: If you are so adamantly against the concept of children, may I ask, then, why you are on a blog that is devoted to children and parenting issues and tossing out a deliberately inflammatory comment that denotes some odd sense of superiority for not choosing to deal with the messy, sticky things that are children?

Given today’s legal climate, you were lucky you weren’t arrested for child molestation for grabbing that child’s arm. Kids get mixed message — “don’t talk to strangers”, “stranger danger”, etc., and having a strange, angry adult grab their arm and yell at them WOULD scare the sh!t out of them. Congratulations.

Producer

July 5th, 2011
10:59 am

Arrested for child molestation? DB, you’re part of the problem if you think that correcting an out of control kid is “molestation.” Used to be back in the day parents or neighbors felt it was OK to discipline a misbehaving kid. And the offending little darling’s parents whipped his butt when he got home for misbehaving and embarrassing the family. Nokids should have spanked the kid. We’ve become weak and permissive. and to Aquagirl’s point, It would make my day if this same CEO issued a ban on the hogs that overflow into our personal space. Eihter buy two seats of make other travel arrangements. Go Greyhound!

DB

July 5th, 2011
11:00 am

@Aquagirl: There’s nothing “entitled” about paying top money for a seat at the front of the airplane. It’s a conscious decision on how someone chooses to spend their money, and none of your business. As long as the airline has no rules or regulations that govern the age of passengers in first class, then children are “entitled” to sit wherever their parents choose to pay for them to sit. Yes, it would be nice if there was a guarantee that all children would be well-behaved. Heck, it would be nice if there was a guarantee if all ADULTS would be well-behaved. But there are no guarantees. Why should a passenger in first class be “protected” from children any more so than the poor soul in coach who is squeezed into a seat that is two-thirds the size of the first class seat and whose knees are bruised by the person in front of them feeling “entitled” to lean their seat back?

DB

July 5th, 2011
11:05 am

@Producer: No, I don’t think it’s molestation, and goodness knows, I’ve been sorely tempted many times. But there ARE some parents who would completely freak out if they came chasing down an aisle and suddenly saw their child, who had, Houdini-like, escaped their supervision, being grabbed by a stranger. Would I speak sharply to a child misbehaving in a public place? Yes — and have done so many times. Would I grab them? Only if they were in imminent danger (i.e., running in front of a car, or out a door). And generally, just putting your body between them and their destination is enough to slow ‘em down.

Aquagirl

July 5th, 2011
11:07 am

DB, of course there are no guarantees. Rude people are a fact of life. That doesn’t excuse their rude behavior.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
11:08 am

“Sense of entitlement recognized and noted”

To Big Bopper and everyone else who thinks your travel money has more intrinsic value than those with small children……(MJG and Black and White Smiley Face)

So I’m with the camp that says if I pay the coin for the kid to be in first class, he deserves to be there as much as any other paying customer. The entitlement I feel has nothing to do with any other entitlement than I get as a capitalist. If there is an airline policy against children in certain sections, that’s fine, I respect their right to do so and I encourage you to seek those airlines out and patronize them, and I’ll avoid patronizing them. But barring that, I (and my child) am just as entitled to be there as you are because the price of the ticket was established without restriction to age.

I’ve flown first class a few times and i don’t think you’re paying to be child free. If I recall correctly, the perks of first class are larger, more comfortable seats (where you don’t care if the person in front of you reclines), more overhead bin room, more leg room, better food, free movies, sitting in the front of the plane where turbulance is reduced, and most importantly, free alcohol.

If the sole benefit of first class was strictly being child free, then theoretically you shouldn’t have a problem paying a premium to sit in the back of the plane near the bathrooms that you can smell, cramped up like a sardine and getting rattled around like a roller coaster shoulder to shoulder with the person sitting next to you while the person in front of you reclines back as far as possible 6 minutes after takeoff…..as long as there are no kids.

You sound like the entitled ones….entitled to choose in your mode of public transportation not only where you sit, but where others else sits as well. Are there any other groups of folks you would like to send to the back of the plane so that you don’t have to interact with them?

Tina

July 5th, 2011
11:10 am

@nokidsrequired – You grab my child and you’ll never have children of your own.

DB

July 5th, 2011
11:13 am

At Tiger: Yo, read my post again. I specifically said that “You don’t have a “right” of privacy and peace on a public airline, sorry, any more so than you do in any public venue. You fly first class for the bigger seats, the free drinks and the service. You don’t fly because it is “quiet,” — and if you do, your expectations are too lofty.”

What I DID say is that this airline has obviously identified a niche that will probably be popular with business travelers. Nowhere in that comment or the subsequent ones did I say that children shouldn’t be allowed in first class.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
11:18 am

I didn’t direct my comment at you DB…..I’m actually arguing for your points…my comments were direct at the Aquagirls, Smiley faces, big bopper, et al.

DB

July 5th, 2011
11:20 am

@Tiger, sorry, saw my name in parenthesis and got defensive!

Warrior Woman

July 5th, 2011
11:20 am

@Big Bopper – There is no sense of entitlement in expecting to get what you purchased. The sense of entitlement would be those expecting parents that paid for business class to sit elsewhere just to satisfy you.

Business class flyers don’t have any special need to be shielded from children. In fact, the extra room in business class makes it easier to handle children without annoying those around you. There’s a little more room to permit squirming without kicking the seat in front of you, and more room to have a toy or book out for entertainment without encroaching on the space of those around you.

Erica

July 5th, 2011
11:23 am

Wow…whatever your stance on kids….all have one thing in common, which is , we were all children at some point. That being said, I do think it si important for parents travelling with small children to be aware of two things when flying with kids:1) how long of a flight will your child tolerate without a meltdown, and 2) what do you need for your child to travel comfortably wgile being a good nieghbor to those around them on the plane. My daughter has flown since she was 6 months old, and we know to fly with the appropriate amount of treats and entertainment in her “travel bag”. bnow that she’s 5, teh portable DVD player with headphones is truly an airplane must. She has NEVER had a plane meltdown, even as an infant, and I attribute that to good parental planning and really good luck for us parents. I think that a little bit of planning on the part of parents, and some compassion from us fellow travelers can go a really long way. And hey, if you as an adult start feeling irritated at a frustrated little traveller, just remember….someone tolerated you when you had a meltdown moment as a child too!

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
11:27 am

@DB…I didn’t even put your name in parentheses! :-)

jarvis

July 5th, 2011
11:27 am

@nokidsrequired, while I agree that kids aren’t required to have a happy fulfilled life, I’d be willing to wager that you have neither.

jarvis

July 5th, 2011
11:29 am

@DB, apparently the expectation isn’t too lofty. You can fly Malaysia Airlines and get a child free first class.

I am 6'4" tall...

July 5th, 2011
11:32 am

…and I was in a window seat on a 25 seat commuter flight – Having had both knees replaced, I was CRAMPED to the hilt, and kept having to shift around to stay somewhat comfortable.

Unfortunately, there was a gir lthat was 9-12 years old and I inadvertently kept hitting her seat back as I shifted – each time she would look around and glare at me; l and I felt so bad but there was really nothing I could do – I kept waiting for her to tell her mother, who was seated next to her, to “tell that man behind me to stop kicking my seat”…and this, is really a true story. I still feel bad just remembering it…

Aquagirl

July 5th, 2011
11:33 am

more leg room, better food, free movies, sitting in the front of the plane where turbulance is reduced, and most importantly, free alcohol.

Tiger, if you drink enough alcohol on a plane to make this the “most important” benefit of first class, go to rehab. And boy does that say a lot about how fun you are as a seatmate. “Whoo-hoo, free booze!” That’s exactly what you want to hear from from the guy next to you. Although it could explain why children on flights don’t bother you.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

July 5th, 2011
11:34 am

@nokidsrequired….”When I pay for a seat on a plane, regardless of the class, I’m not paying to hear your screaming kid on a 10 hour international flight!”…….

NOT paying to hear a screaming kid IS NOT the same a paying to NOT hear a screaming kid. People who pay to NOT hear a screaming kid charter their flights. I encourage you to follow their lead.