Jared Loughner: What should colleges do with troubled kids? How much can parents and colleges work together?

I have spent much of the last week wondering if  Jared Loughner’s parents and the officials at Pima Community College could have done more – or if anything at all — to prevent the tragic killings in Tucson. I have been waiting for more information to come out about Loughner’s parents and the university before we talked about it. Finally, I am finding several good stories that give some insight into how much each party knew, how things were dealt with, how colleges in general deal with troubled students and how parents may miss all the warning signs.

First I wanted to share with you a bunch of great links to stories and some of the more relevant passages and then we can discuss. If you have the time (I know everyone is playing catch up from the snow) read the full articles. They are worthwhile and may give more insight than my quick paragraph pulls.

First some basic news on the story:

Update as of Tuesday: Rep. Giffords husband said he would be willing to meet with Loughner’s parents and doesn’t blame them.

“I don’t think it’s their fault. It’s not the parents’ fault,” Kelly told ABC. “You know, I’d like to think I’m a person that’s, you know, somewhat forgiving. And, I mean, they’ve got to be hurting in this situation as much as anybody.”

An early news story from when his parents first found out

“Sources told the Journal that Randy and Amy Loughner expressed a degree of shock in their discussion with the FBI, saying they were unaware of the degree of their son’s apparent mental problems.”


Now the big articles we really need to discuss:

This article from The Associated Press gets right to the issue at hand: How much should schools be telling parents about their kids if there is a problem? How much can they legally tell them (FERPA – remember that??) and when is it really a problem? I am pulling much of this story because it is really interesting.

From The Associated Press:

…With limited resources, complicated laws, more students in need of mental health help and echoes of the Virginia Tech massacre all part of the mix, schools face the conundrum of trying to create a safe environment without overreacting.

“What you’re really doing is deciding, ‘Where do I want to make the mistakes? Do I want to be over-broad in protecting civil liberties or over-broad in protecting safety?’” said Steven McDonald, general counsel for the Rhode Island School of Design and an expert on student privacy laws and campus safety. “And you’re never going to get it exactly right.”

McDonald said the pendulum has swung toward safety in recent years, but could swing back if schools overreach.

Many colleges and universities have started or strengthened threat assessment teams of administrators, counseling directors, campus police chiefs and others who meet regularly to field concerns about disturbing behavior and to investigate them.

But the issues are not always clear-cut. What should be protected as free speech? When does behavior cross the line from odd to potentially dangerous? When is suspension or expulsion warranted, or forced mental health treatment?

“There is a lot more awareness of the need to take action, but we are still constrained by considerations of civil liberties and the like,” said Ada Meloy, general counsel for the American Council on Education, an umbrella group for higher education.

“It’s not illegal to be a college student with mental health issues,” she said. “There are plenty of them out there. It’s very difficult to determine which ones merit being isolated from the college community.”

Studies show more students are arriving on campus with mental health issues. A recent American College Counseling Association survey found 44 percent of students who visit college counseling centers have severe psychological disorders, up from 16 percent a decade ago. One in four students is on psychiatric medication, compared to 17 percent in 2000.

Officials at Pima Community College, where Loughner was a student, released 51 pages of police documents depicting him at times as “creepy,” ”very hostile” and “having difficulty understanding what he had done wrong in the classroom.”

After five incidents that drew the attention of campus police — a rambling YouTube video that called the school a scam and associated it with genocide was the final straw — school officials told Loughner and his parents that to return to classes he would need to undergo a mental health exam to show he was not a danger. He never returned.

Some critics have said the school should have gone a step further and sought to force Loughner into counseling, which Arizona state law allows. But school officials have said their response was appropriate given the circumstances.

For years, many colleges said the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, or FERPA, handcuffed their ability to share information about troubled students with those who could help — including parents.

But McDonald, the privacy law expert, said FERPA is much less constraining than is often portrayed. A health and safety exemption allows for, say, faculty to share records with the dean of students, threat assessment teams or campus police relatively easily, he said. In 2008, Congress amended the law in responses to the Virginia Tech tragedy, making it clear schools would not be punished if they have a rational basis for taking action.

The Americans With Disabilities Act prohibits discrimination against persons on the basis of their disability, including mental health problems. But exemptions covering harm to self and public safety exist there, too.

“The law in these areas can be kind of complicated, and many campuses don’t have legal counsel or heavy-duty mental health expertise,” McDonald said. “So we’re being asked to do something that is really pretty hard.”

This is some really good insight into what a parent with a child who may have a mental issue is dealing with. The author does a good job exploring how may think it’s drugs – but their child is self-medicating their condition. Or with the parents they may actually seem normal and OK.  It is written by Pete Earley is the author of Crazy: A Father’s Search Through America’s Mental Health Madness.

From USA Today:

“But news reports said college officials warned the Loughners their son couldn’t return to school until he had had a mental health evaluation. He was scaring other students. Obviously, that’s a huge red flag — if it happened. Federal privacy laws limit how much information colleges can share with parents. Adult children are exactly that: adults. The first time my son and I visited a psychologist, my son turned his chair so that his back was facing the therapist and refused to speak. He didn’t think he was sick…”

“Remember, having a mental illness is not illegal. Nor can anyone, even a parent, force another person into treatment arbitrarily. All states require a person be dangerous to himself or others. What makes Arizona’s law more liberal is it also allows a person to be forced into treatment if he is “persistently or acutely disabled” or “gravely disabled.” Would Loughner have met those criteria? I doubt it, based on my experience and given that a police officer stopped him the morning of the shooting and let him go without noticing anything alarming about his behavior. Saying you are concerned about shrines with skulls in the backyard or strange writings is simply not enough in most courts.”

“A 2009 study by the National Alliance on Mental Illness found that Arizona’s mental health services were grossly inadequate. The report was riddled with complaints such as, “When I first tried to get help after attempting suicide, I was told that I wasn’t sick enough to qualify,” and, “There is a six to eight week wait to see (a psychiatrist) as a new patient.” Most states are plagued by long waiting lines because legislators have closed state hospitals and stripped treatment funds to balance budgets.”

“Perhaps the most hurtful comment leveled at parents is that they should have done a better job raising their child. Would you attack a parent’s child-rearing skills if his son or daughter had cancer? Mental illnesses are just that: illnesses.”

“Blaming parents is easy, but before you throw that first stone, try walking in our shoes.”

I have been thinking about the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), the federal law that protects the privacy of students’ education records, all last week,  and I wondered if the college had been allowed to share anything to his parents about what went on at school. And according to that article in USA Today, it was allowed and according to the online FERPA definition it definitely was allowed. I bolded the pertinent parts! (I guess like the AP story says the universities are afraid of getting sued if they reveal too much or it wasn’t really a problem.)

About FERPA:

Recently many questions have arisen concerning the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act (FERPA), the federal law that protects the privacy of students’ education records. The Department wishes to clarify what FERPA says about postsecondary institutions sharing information with parents.

What are parents’ and students’ rights under FERPA?

At the K-12 school level, FERPA provides parents with the right to inspect and review their children’s education records, the right to seek to amend information in the records they believe to be inaccurate, misleading, or an invasion of privacy, and the right to consent to the disclosure of personally identifiable information from their children’s education records. When a student turns 18 years old or enters a postsecondary institution at any age, these rights under FERPA transfer from the student’s parents to the student. Under FERPA, a student to whom the rights have transferred is known as an “eligible student.” Although the law does say that the parents’ rights afforded by FERPA transfer to the “eligible student,” FERPA clearly provides ways in which an institution can share education records on the student with his or her parents.

While concerns have been expressed about the limitations on the release of information, there are exceptions to FERPA’s general rule that educational agencies and institutions subject to FERPA may not have a policy or practice of disclosing “education records” without the written consent of the parent (at the K-12 level) or the “eligible student.”

When may a school disclose information to parents of dependent students?

Under FERPA, schools may release any and all information to parents, without the consent of the eligible student, if the student is a dependent for tax purposes under the IRS rules.

Can a school disclose information to parents in a health or safety emergency?

The Department interprets FERPA to permit schools to disclose information from education records to parents if a health or safety emergency involves their son or daughter.

Can parents be informed about students’ violation of alcohol and controlled substance rules?

Another provision in FERPA permits a college or university to let parents of students under the age of 21 know when the student has violated any law or policy concerning the use or possession of alcohol or a controlled substance.

Can a school disclose law enforcement unit records to parents and the public?

Additionally, under FERPA, schools may disclose information from “law enforcement unit records” to anyone – including parents or federal, State, or local law enforcement authorities – without the consent of the eligible student. Many colleges and universities have their own campus security units. Records created and maintained by these units for law enforcement purposes are exempt from the privacy restrictions of FERPA and can be shared with anyone.

Can school officials share their observations of students with parents?

Nothing in FERPA prohibits a school official from sharing with parents information that is based on that official’s personal knowledge or observation and that is not based on information contained in an education record. Therefore, FERPA would not prohibit a teacher or other school official from letting a parent know of their concern about their son or daughter that is based on their personal knowledge or observation.

So lots and lots to discuss here:

How much should schools be telling parents?

When should they step in?

Should the school have made him be evaluated not just put the onus on the parents?

Could the parents have done more? (I don’t think we know all the facts here yet.)

Do you agree with the USA Today article that parents could easily miss these signs or be tricked into thinking all is well?

How will these stories and these events affect your parenting now or later?

217 comments Add your comment

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
2:05 pm

“Cool with me…please revisit Tim McVeighs registered party.”

Sure, and you can revisit David Dukes, George Wallace and the rest of the KKK’s registered party.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
2:05 pm

“but you offer no explanation to your point when you make the same statement?”

It’s called a rebuttal. When you threw out Tim McVeighs name in my face, I countered it. Make sense?

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
2:15 pm

@Libs…

Not a whole lot of sense considering you threw out the party affiliation relationship and was asked what your point was BEFORE I made the McVeigh statement.

Come to think of it, you STILL haven’t explained being a registered democrat has to do with Tucson shooter.

At least I explained the point of my rebuttal. Which was, that if I were to take your logic (assumed logic, I’ll admit, because you won’t explain what you meant with your party affilliation statement), then party affiliation can give insight to, and should be assigned in part for, the crime committed. By that logic, which you don’t refute in the case of the Tucson shooter, the Republicans get to own in some way, shape, or form, the OK City bombing because McVeigh was registered with them.

For the record, I think that kind of association is just stupid….but that’s kind of my POINT!

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
2:22 pm

“Not a whole lot of sense considering you threw out the party affiliation relationship and was asked what your point was BEFORE I made the McVeigh statement. ”

Well, it was relevant.

“you STILL haven’t explained being a registered democrat has to do with Tucson shooter.”

You aren’t bright are you.

“I think that kind of association is just stupid”

You’re problem, not mine.

Left wing management

January 20th, 2011
2:23 pm

Libs are idiots:

Jared Loughner was, based on everything we know, a registered Independent. But there’s one thing we can count on as a given, and that is the fact that had Loughner been a registered Republican, your mouth would close and you would refuse to open it again on the issue until we changed topics.

The proof?

Let’s watch as you dodge when I introduce into the discussion the little matter of the crazed shooter who got into a shootout with police while en route to San Francisco to attack the Tides Foundation, an obscure foundation that the man would never have heard of but for the consisting ranting of right wing talker Glenn Beck.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
2:31 pm

“based on everything we know, a registered Independent.”

Then again, you don’t know anything.

“had Loughner been a registered Republican”

But he isn’t.

“Let’s watch as you dodge when I introduce into the discussion the little matter of the crazed shooter ”

You mean like when you and other libs dodge the fact that the KKK were all democrats?

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
2:32 pm

@lib….

maybe I’m not bright….elighten me.

Simple question, let’s see if you can, or will, answer it.

What point were you attempting to make when you posted the following:

“To me it sounded more like the shooter hated the government, not Bush specifically. ”

He is a registered Democrat.

Pretty simple question. Forgive me, I don’t read between the lines that well. Here’s your shot.

What point was supposed to be evident to me in that post? Seriously…I’m curious.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
2:32 pm

“Glenn Beck”

Then go arrest him.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
2:34 pm

“maybe I’m not bright….elighten me.’

You need help using spell check.

“What point was supposed to be evident to me in that post? Seriously…I’m curious.”

The point is the guy hated Bush, loved communism and voted Democrat. Rep. Giffords voted against Obamacare and that angered the shooter. She was a blue dog democrat.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
2:43 pm

and because of those assertions of yours, he’s an accurate representation of your average, left of center democrat?

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
2:49 pm

“and because of those assertions of yours, he’s an accurate representation of your average, left of center democrat?”

Si.

Left wing management

January 20th, 2011
2:54 pm

Lib idiot: “You mean like when you and other libs dodge the fact that the KKK were all democrats?”

Did I not call it?

I conclude, you’re not a worthy debater. Last you’ll hear from me.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
2:57 pm

it’s just that simple to make that association to you, huh?

So timothy McVeigh hated the government for it’s handling of the Waco Seige, was a militia movement sympathizer, was raised a Roman Catholic, and thought that George HW Bush’s war with Iraq was hypocritical, and voted Republican….right before he killed 168 people and injured 450 others (many of whom were children in the daycare center.

Do YOU it’s as simple to say he’s is an accurate representation of your average right of center Republican.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
2:57 pm

“do you feel it’s as simple”

sorry, i know you’re a closet editor.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
3:12 pm

“I conclude, you’re not a worthy debater. Last you’ll hear from me.”

Oh no!!!!!!!! A Bookman cult follower says I’m not worthy!!!!!! What on Earth will I do???????

You must be big in the land of make believe.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
3:13 pm

“it’s just that simple to make that association to you, huh?”

Pot meet kettle.

“Do YOU it’s as simple to say he’s is an accurate representation of your average right of center Republican.”

Are you still talking, Forrest?

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
3:13 pm

“sorry, i know you’re a closet editor.”

No, but it is easy to use spell check.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
3:36 pm

i’ll guess I’ll stop talking since you’ve stopped answering.

shaggy

January 20th, 2011
3:40 pm

Libs are idiots, Tiger, and LWM,

How does party affiliation play into a creepy, jerk that decided to kill a few countrymen? It seems to be the media (both sides) that loves to play American vs American, for their own glorification and enrichment/ratings.
Frankly, I don’t care how the loser votes or his political beliefs, just take him and treat him like the rabid dog that he is. You do know what has to be done to a rabid animal, don’t you?

JATL

January 20th, 2011
3:43 pm

I posted this yesterday, but the moderators cannot seem to check three simple links regarding studies that find liberals actually are more intelligent than conservatives. Anyway -here is the first part of that post:

@Libs are idiots -you should meet my dad. He’s staunchly right wing conservative and he can’t stand Bush. Neither can at least 3 other Republican friends of mine. I’m solidly an Independent/Libertarian type, and I can’t stand him either -so there go your statistics. Of course, given your name, you’re obviously one for sweeping generalizations. As far McCain -it’s well documented if you care to Google that he has great disdain for Bush -perhaps even hate. He (rightly) blames Bush for costing him the 2000 nomination due to our own state’s Ralph Reed’s insane tactics in South Carolina that unfortunately worked -among them having people hand out fliers and spread the word that McCain fathered a black child out of wedlock complete with a family photo. It happened to be the adopted daughter of John AND Cindy McCain. You’re free to go back in Vanity Fair’s archives and read a chilling interview with Ralph Reed regarding the whole affair and Bush’s full knowledge of it.

Here’s another little tidbit you may be interested in as well since you think all liberals are idiots. You don’t have to agree with them, but many of them are incredibly intelligent -including that really famous liberal, Albert Einstein (maybe you’ve heard of him?). This is where the links were.

As far as the KKK being a bunch of registered Democrats -yes, some were a long time ago. Study some history and you’ll realize how much both the Republican and Democratic parties have changed over the last 150 years. However, I’m pretty sure no current member of the KKK is a registered Democrat.

To me, you sound like the blowhard loudmouths on television and talk radio. Over-broad generalizations about everything and everyone, but you don’t really have much to say. You hate Obama and you hate Democrats, so you’re trying to somehow blame the Tucson shootings on Democrats. That’s not only pathetic, but horribly misguided and wrong and perhaps in the spirit of what is fueling the fire of crazies like Loughner. As I said, I’m an Independent, but I’ve voted for candidates from both parties. I don’t understand why Jared Loughner’s political affiliation means anything. MANY people disagree with politicians, but few take guns and shoot them or their constituents. When they do they’ve crossed the line into criminal insanity -and once you go there, why does it matter what political party you’re a part of? I can’t stand Sarah Palin, but I certainly don’t blame her or any other Republican for Tucson. It’s Jared’s fault -HIS -not his political party’s.

shaggy

January 20th, 2011
3:49 pm

JATL,

Well said. shaggy applauds.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
3:52 pm

shaggy….that was the point I was trying to make. What party the shooter was affiliated with has no bearing to his actions. The guy was/is deranged. Note I didn’t say insane, but rather deranged and any political views or affiliations he had can’t logically or reasonably be placed on the party he was registered with. Just like Tim McVeigh wasn’t an accurate representative of the Republicans. There’s a fine line between a fanatic and a passionate follower of their beliefs. Obviously, those who resort to the acts the Tucson shooter and McVeigh are not indicative of any political party. That’s the whole point…..

unless your ‘lib”, because to him those who perform violent atrocities and are allied to the party he opposes (however thinly), they ARE lumped in with all the rest….but show an example of a monster allied to his beliefs (however thinly) and that guy is just a outlier nutjob that bears no relation to him.

It’s just patently hypocritical and illogical.

deidre_NC

January 20th, 2011
3:55 pm

well said JATL

shaggy

January 20th, 2011
3:58 pm

Tiger,

Agree, on all points. JATL posted a great one on this. I think it might be the best I have read here.

HUH?????????????

January 20th, 2011
4:23 pm

“three simple links regarding studies that find liberals actually are more intelligent than conservatives.”

So if libs are so intelligent, why are they always looking to government for money?

HUH?????????????

January 20th, 2011
4:23 pm

“three simple links regarding studies that find liberals actually are more intelligent than conservatives.”

If libs are so intelligent, why do they borrow money from their conservative parents?

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
4:29 pm

“including that really famous liberal, Albert Einstein”

LOL!!!! Ok.

“However, I’m pretty sure no current member of the KKK is a registered Democrat.”

David Duke is. Robert Byrd was before he died last year.

“To me, you sound like the blowhard loudmouths on television and talk radio.”

You must be under the false impression that I care what you think.

“You hate Obama and you hate Democrats”

WRONG!!!!!!! You are doing exactly what you are accusing me of doing.

“so you’re trying to somehow blame the Tucson shootings on Democrats.”

WRONG!!!!!! I never blamed Democrats. I blamed the guy who is a Democrat voter.

“As I said, I’m an Independent”

Mmmmmmmmm, no you’re not and your comments prove it.

Simple question: How many Democrat presidents and Republican presidents have you voted for?

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
4:29 pm

“i’ll guess I’ll stop talking since you’ve stopped answering.”

But here you are…..talking……..talking………

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
4:48 pm

Just meant I was done engaging you as long as you want to avoid direct questions. You’re a classic quitter…answer questions you think are the easy ones and dodge the ones you can’t intelligently defend. You argue like a 6 year old.

JATL

January 20th, 2011
4:49 pm

@Libs are idiots -thank you for proving my points. Not sure why it’s funny that Einstein was a liberal, but glad it amuses you.

David Duke was a Democrat in the 70s and 80s until 1988, then an “Independent Populist” and in the late 80s and early 90s became a Republican.

Robert Byrd, being dead and all, isn’t considered “current,” especially since he denounced the Klan and his involvement in 1952: “After about a year, I became disinterested, quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization. During the nine years that have followed, I have never been interested in the Klan.”

It’s apparent you care deeply about what a number of us think.

I have voted for one Republican president and two Democratic presidents.

@shaggy and diedre_NC -Thanks!

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
4:53 pm

“Just meant I was done engaging you as long as you want to avoid direct questions. ”

But here you are…..talking……..talking………

“You’re a classic quitter”

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What ever will I do???????? LOL

“You argue like a 6 year old.”

Comeback fail, troglodyte.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
4:53 pm

“WRONG!!!!!! I never blamed Democrats. I blamed the guy who is a Democrat voter”

and then proceeded to say he’s an accurate representation of your average, left of center democrat….you speak with forked tongue, lib.

Left wing management

January 20th, 2011
4:54 pm

shaggy: “How does party affiliation play into a creepy, jerk that decided to kill a few countrymen?”

It’s completely irrelevant. It was another poster who suggested a political motivation.

“Frankly, I don’t care how the loser votes or his political beliefs, just take him and treat him like the rabid dog that he is. You do know what has to be done to a rabid animal, don’t you?”

I don’t think insanity can quite be compared with a rabid animal.

Besides, though I know it may not trouble you to recognize this, the policy you advance of treating the criminally insane along with the criminally depraved as a whole, as subject to extermination as so much vermin generally tends to be a trait of repressive and barbaric regimes. Regimes where in general political opponents of the rulers often happen to find themselves lumped in with those other categories of vermin as well. In other words, so much for your libertarian paradise of perfect law and order, if you get my drift.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
4:56 pm

“Not sure why it’s funny that Einstein was a liberal, but glad it amuses you.”

I was laughing because you totally contradicted yourself. Einstein wasn’t a lib. He didn’t want to kill unborn babies, didn’t believe in gay marriage and hated communism.

“David Duke was a Democrat in the 70s and 80s until 1988, then an “Independent Populist” and in the late 80s and early 90s became a Republican.”

And on Wikipedia, it states that he switched back to the Democrat Party.

“he denounced the Klan and his involvement in 1952:”

“I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side … Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.”

- Robert Byrd

“I have voted for one Republican president and two Democratic presidents.”

And that would make you a Democrat.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
4:57 pm

“and then proceeded to say he’s an accurate representation of your average, left of center democrat….you speak with forked tongue, lib.”

Oh goody, the troglodyte is calling me a snake! And yes, he is a democrat.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
4:58 pm

“It was another poster who suggested a political motivation.”

It was political. The guy was angry because Rep. Giffords voted against the health care bill.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
4:59 pm

“In other words, so much for your libertarian paradise of perfect law and order, if you get my drift.”

Do you even know what a Libertarian is? I’ve never heard of Libertarians wanting perfect law and order. That sounds like liberalism to me. Libertarians want less government. Libs want more of it.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
5:09 pm

“And yes, he is a democrat”

and someday you may come up with an answer to why that is relevant and how that impugns every other democrat…..just not today….or ever.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
5:13 pm

“and someday you may come up with an answer to why that is relevant and how that impugns every other democrat”

Never said anything about “impugning” every other democrat. You have this problem with “assuming” things which really makes you look small. All I wrote was that he is a registered democrat. With the media(Paul Krugman, Keith Olberman, Chris Matthews etc) claiming that Sarah Palin, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck etc, somehow made him shoot Rep. Giffords when they didn’t even have the facts is really scary and stupid. Now that the facts have come out, they are all silent about it.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
5:21 pm

Agreeing with a statement like the Tucson shooter is an accurate representation of your average democrat isn’t impugning all democrats?

So if I said the guy who shot the abortion doc was an accurate representation of you, you’re answer is “si” because you oppose abortion and that doesn’t impugn your character…well in this case I get the feel you just might revel in that comparison.

If I say Tim McVeigh is an accuruate representation of you, you’re answer is “si” because you were both registered Republicans.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
5:23 pm

and yes I know I failed to use the spell check again…accurate is misspelled and I used the wrong “your”….

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
5:23 pm

“Agreeing with a statement like the Tucson shooter is an accurate representation of your average democrat isn’t impugning all democrats?”

Do you actually read what you write?

“So if I said the guy who shot the abortion doc was an accurate representation of you”

What abortion doc?

“If I say Tim McVeigh is an accuruate representation of you, you’re answer is “si” because you were both registered Republicans.”

1: Use spell check.
2: I’m a registered Libertarian, Gump.
3: You are a living breathing contradiction.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
5:24 pm

“and yes I know I failed to use the spell check again…accurate is misspelled and I used the wrong “your”…”

Your problem, not mine.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
5:25 pm

“I get the feel you just might revel in that comparison.”

Feelings get people in trouble. Your feelings are incorrect. But please, keep on trying to pigeon hole my character/politics.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

January 20th, 2011
5:28 pm

“keep on trying to pigeon hole my character/politics”

don’t really need to try…you’ve managed to do that all on your own.

Left wing management

January 20th, 2011
5:29 pm

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

Wasting your time, friend.

Trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

Give it a break

January 20th, 2011
5:33 pm

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

It sounds like you’re angry that the truth came out about the Tucson shooter. Your side is always pointing the finger at Republican voters being “intolerant and mean-spirited” yet when the truth comes out about the shooter, your feelings got hurt. MSNBC spends a large amount of time demeaning and degrading the Tea Party, Sarah Palin etc yet people like you sit and laugh about it. You mock, name call and judge yet when your side does something detestable, you said absolutely nothing about it and make up excuses.

Here’s an example: Democratic Congressman Compares Republicans To Nazis On House

Your side has said absolutely NOTHING about this. What’s even more ironic is the fact that the comments on this website actually agree with the idiotic senator.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/19/steve-cohen-republican-nazis_n_811170.html

So, with that said, you need to seriously back off.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
5:34 pm

“don’t really need to try…you’ve managed to do that all on your own.”

Comeback fail, ma’am. Try again.

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
5:34 pm

“Wasting your time, friend. ”

Sore loser much?

Libs are idiots

January 20th, 2011
5:35 pm

“Trolllllllllllllllllllllllllllll”

I love it when high and mighty left wingers come on blogs and condemn name calling yet they turn around and do the exact same thing. Your special ed teacher must love you.