Should Amazon.com sell a pedophile guide book? Would you boycott if book remains?

Amazon.com Inc. has come under fire for selling a self-published guide that offers advice to pedophiles. The book has been hit with hundreds of negative reviews, comments and even some threats to boycott the site until the book is removed.

From The Associated Press:

“The availability of “The Pedophile’s Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover’s Code of Conduct” calls into question whether Amazon has any procedures — or even an obligation — to vet books before they are sold in its online stores. Amazon did not respond to multiple e-mail and phone messages.’ ”

The title is an electronic book available for Amazon’s Kindle e-reader and the company’s software for reading Kindle books on mobile phones and computers. Amazon allows authors to submit their own works and shares revenue with them.”

“Amazon issues guidelines banning certain materials, including those deemed offensive. However, the company doesn’t elaborate on what constitutes offensive content, saying simply that it is “probably what you would expect.” Amazon also doesn’t promise to remove or protect any one category of books.”

“The author of ‘The Pedophile’s Guide,’ listed as Philip R. Greaves II, argues that pedophiles are misunderstood, as the word literally means to love a child. The author adds that it is only a crime to act on sexual impulses toward children, and offers advice that purportedly allows pedophiles to abide by the law.”

“Many users on Twitter called on Amazon to pull the book, and a few threatened to boycott the retailer until it does.”

“Child online safety advocacy group Enough is Enough says it isn’t surprised that someone would publish such a book, but believes that Amazon should remove it. It says selling the book lends the impression that child abuse is normal.”

“That doesn’t mean Amazon should be prohibited from selling it, counters Christopher Finan, president of the American Booksellers Foundation for Free Expression. He said that Amazon has the right under the First Amendment to sell any book that is not child pornography or legally obscene. Finan said Greaves’ book doesn’t amount to either because it does not include illustrations.”

“This isn’t the first time Amazon has sold material that promotes illegal activity. It is currently accepting pre-orders for the hardcover version of ‘I Am the Market: How to Smuggle Cocaine by the Ton, in Five Easy Lessons’ by Luca Rastello.”

“Nor is it the first time Amazon has come under attack for selling objectionable content in its store. In 2002, the United States Justice Foundation, a conservative group, threatened to sue Amazon for selling ‘Understanding Loved Boys and Boylovers.’ That title is still available through Amazon.”

“In 2009, Amazon stopped selling ‘RapeLay,’ a first-person video game in which the protagonist stalks and then rapes a mother and her daughters, after it was widely condemned in the media and by various interest groups.”

The Los Angeles Times reports:

” ‘There is no excuse for Amazon to be offering this product,’ one visitor writes. ‘I’ve removed my Amazon shop from my website and won’t be doing any Christmas or household shopping through Amazon.com until this product is GONE.’ ”

“The book has attracted almost 800 reviews on its Amazon page, with 760 giving it the lowest possible ranking of one star. Many reviewers threatened to boycott the company unless the book is removed.”

MSNBC has a statement from Amazon.com:

“Amazon issued a statement that will no doubt fuel the outraged comments multiplying on the ‘Pedophile’s Guide’ Amazon page. ‘Amazon believes it is censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe their message is objectionable,’ it reads. ‘Amazon does not support or promote hatred or criminal acts, however, we do support the right of every individual to make their own purchasing decisions.’ “

So, what do you think? Should Amazon.com remove the “Pedophile’s Guide” book? Is it inappropriate to sell? Do you feel Amazon has the right to sell such materials? Would you boycott the site to protest this book?

81 comments Add your comment

DB

November 11th, 2010
12:00 pm

@MJG: Can’t next week, due to that issue we discussed on the phone. After Thanksgiving, I’m open.

Grandma

November 11th, 2010
12:05 pm

I buy a lot from Amazon but I think listing this outrageous book is in poor taste. Yes, I would stop shopping Amazon. I have grandchildren and they are precious to me. This book should be burned and replaced by “The Hunters Guide to Child Molesters.”

Lucy

November 11th, 2010
12:05 pm

Talking about the book just gives it more press! We don’t even know the contents of the book. The author stated that the book “offers advice that purportedly allows pedophiles to abide by the law.” He could be teaching them how to control their impulses. It could be more like a self-help book.

Disgusting

November 11th, 2010
12:13 pm

DB is right! As screwed up at it is, free speech comes first. The best form of cencorship, in case we missed it, is to not buy it and/or boycott, if enough of us did it, it would make a difference. The worst part, as was said, it that this person feels free enough to write/market/sell something as disgusting as his book. Now, the authorities should keep an eye on this perv & his friends as they are sure 2 slip up eventually.

deidre_NC

November 11th, 2010
12:15 pm

walmart will not sell any music that is considered ‘r’ rated, having to do with language, violence etc. music artists who want their music sold at walmart have to make a different and censored version in order to be sold there. but-go to the condom aisle, there are many ‘minor’ sex toys there. no-you cant buy a dildo or whatever,but you can buy a vibrating finger condom..or something like that….also, check out the movie and book section-no censorship there. i realize that this has nothing to do with the pedofile issue-but stores-physical or online- sell what the people want. i have never understood how walmart can justify censoring the music they sell and still sell some of the video games, books and sexual aids that they do.
i am not about censorship, i am very disturbed that you can buy a book like this at a place where kids can shop (amazon). i read years ago an article of a pedofile organization, whose members truly believe they are in the right, that children do have an inherant sexuality that needs to be nurtured. these people truly believe this. i am studying criminal justice and sociology and honestly i would like to read some of this-if i could stomach it which is doubtful-but honestly i am scared to even look at anything pertaining to things like this online due to the laws we have and the cyber criminologists we have in law enforcement these days. i wonder if these law enforcement people keep track of who buys books like this. i have looked at how to drug sites to iunderstand more about home made drugs when my son got into the drug world. i kept waiting for ‘big brother’ to come knocking anytime (paranoia!!) but what do yall think? do you think that people who buy books such as these are put on a watch list? they should be. people who want to find out how to mess with a child and who think its just fine to do so should be watched closely.
i do not think books of this nature should be sold at a place where kids can buy things. in a gas station store the adult books are usually kept out of the way kids are not allowed to be in that area…..at least around here they are. i think. i know they used to be. geeze…what is this world coming to when you can buy a book to tell you how beneficial to a child it is to introduce them to sex. sorry for the ramble. this whole thing just got my mind going all over the place.

Richard

November 11th, 2010
12:19 pm

To those of you condemning Amazon for selling a book, do you condemn Glock for selling guns to murderers?

I think this issue says more about the customer base than the seller. Amazon’s responsibility is to sell their items, not to adhere to anyone’s moral code. My suggestion is that your anger is redirected to the fact that THERE ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY THE BOOK!!!!

MyOpinion

November 11th, 2010
12:25 pm

The authors words below.

“I wrote the book to establish guidelines so that people would behave in a manner that is non-injurious to each other, for one, and, for two, to communicate the fact that these people who are so different in maturation, etc., that when they develop relationships, they use certain principles that regular people, adults, would be well to attend.”

“The only personal perspective it was written from was that I was introduced to sex at the age of 7 by a 10-year-old girl. It was oral sex. And I carried on through that having that kind of sex with children until I was about 15,” he said. “And everybody involved enjoyed it.”

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/amazon-removes-pedophilia-book-store/story?id=12119035&page=1

MyOpinion

November 11th, 2010
12:27 pm

That should be “The author words below”

DB

November 11th, 2010
12:30 pm

@Lucy: It’s a nice thought — but unfortunately it’s not that kind of self-help. I saw some excerpts on another site, and even though the supposed premise is to “stay within the law”, it really is a nudge-nudge-wink-wink. The least objectionable excerpt was the suggestion that if pedophiles wanted to engage in self-gratification, they should only do it with pictures of fully-clothed children, because they could get in trouble if they possessed pictures of nude children. There were some others that were far too graphic to include here. Let’s just say it’s an illuminating look into the mind of a pedophile. *sigh*.

deidre_NC

November 11th, 2010
12:31 pm

posted by richard “My suggestion is that your anger is redirected to the fact that THERE ARE ACTUALLY PEOPLE THAT WANT TO BUY THE BOOK!!!!

yes…it bothers me immensly that there are people who think this is ok. it bothers me that it is sold at a place where kids can buy things. it bothers the hell out of me that there are people who think it is ok and even beneficial to a child to introduce them into a sexual life. we all know that there are sexual predators everywhere…just look at your local sexual offender registry. and these are only the ones who have been caught. my issue is that books like these should not be availble for children. ( i personally think they shouldnt be allowed anywhere-but there we go with censorship) unfortunately, if they prohibited every book of this nature, these things are still going to happen. if a person thinks its ok to have sex with a child there is no book they need to help them out there. child predators have a way of knowing which child would be more accepting towards their advances. that is why we need to give our kids all the love and goodness we can, so they will not be looking for it elsewhere and become a victim.

JATL

November 11th, 2010
12:51 pm

Let’s not exclude the last part of the interview with the author from the ABC link posted by MyOpinion:

“Greaves, who was a nurse’s aide until he retired because of a disability, said he was not encouraging pedophilia through his book, but, pointing to the case of Mary Kay Letourneau, the Washington state teacher who had an affair with her student, said he believed it was possible ‘to have a loving, sexual relationship with a child.’”

mom2alex&max

November 11th, 2010
12:57 pm

MyOpinion: so disgusting. I wish you hadn’t posted that.

JATL: we DO have statutory rape laws. And I believe they work both ways.

A child is not a sexual being YET. It is a CHILD. And they must be protected!!!!!!

I don’t give a rat’s a$$ what adults do with each other. Whatever is depicted in playboy, hustler and the other myriad of pornographic materials that are available is (regardless of my personal opinion) the business of adults.

This is different! It’s about CHILDREN!!!! Why cannot anyone understand that part????????????

mom2alex&max

November 11th, 2010
12:59 pm

I don’t CARE whatever sexual behavior adults want to engage in with each other!! Playboy, Hustler, whatever other pornographic material is available to the adult masses, who CARES!! They are adults and they have choices.

This is about involving CHILDREN in sexual behavior!!! They must be protected from those MONSTERS!! Why cannot anyone understand that??????

FCM

November 11th, 2010
1:05 pm

Yeah I am a libertarian and I get where DB is coming from. The 1st Amendment is not one to be touched without very careful thought.

I am also not big on kids having “rights”. However, even my Libertarian view says that kids have the “right” to grow up without the fear of being preyed upon–especially by these predators.

I have also read that pedophiles cannot be rehabilitated and will often repeat the crime. Therefore I think my he 2nd Amendment should apply…and of course the discussion from yesterday :) Or as several of the “hunting boys” I grew up with used to say…”I have a $0.75 solution to that problem and no problem instituting it.”

BluebellJones

November 11th, 2010
1:39 pm

Children do possess an inherent sexuality. It is not unusual for a 4 year old to come on to his mother. These are a childs first steps at establishing their sexuality. The response is, of course, to gently push them away while showing them that you are a trusted advisor. This sort of initial forey should be handled with great care, the child should not be yelled at or berated, just gently reminded of the way things need to be among relatives.
Also fscinated by the number of people who think it’s ok for the FBI to monitor peoples book reading habits. It’s not ok. The constitution establishes the right to privacy. And the FBI has better things to do with it’s time. Like checking into election violations.
Pedos are everywhere, most likely in the family. That would be an interesting topic for this blog-”What to do about Uncle Ernie”.

motherjanegoose

November 11th, 2010
2:05 pm

@ Economic…get off the airline thing will you? If EVERYONE boycotts the airlines, there will be surgeons who miss important training venues that could save lives, amongst others. Some of us cannot drive 18 hours one way to a meeting.

Not everyone flies just to go see Grandma and frankly, I sometimes wish many of those folks would stay home. There are SCORES of people who fly ALL THE TIME to do business across this country. Many travel much more than me! I don’t give a tooty what they see in those scanners….I have to get to a meeting and thus I will fly. Methinks most business travelers are not the ones making the most noise about it:

Privacy Concerns of Full Body Scanners: Low Priority for Business Travelers
by Rob Hard, January 20, 2010

Business travelers care about their experience at the airport, but having their privacy invaded by a body scan isn’t first on their list of concerns.

motherjanegoose

November 11th, 2010
2:14 pm

@ Economic …I am not an economist….I do fly all the time. Here are some economics…if those who pay $149 r/t to go and see Mickey Mouse decide to boycott over body scans and those who pay $819 r/t for a last minute business trip still travel as usual….the airlines are seeing reality economics of who is having a problem with the body scan…ya think?

Betty

November 11th, 2010
2:20 pm

I want so badly to believe that these perverts are rare and not really living all around us. Which is why I hope the story that just updated on the main page of this website is not true. Unfortunately, I’m afraid it probably is and that these perverts have mainstream jobs and some are CEO’s of companies.

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November 11th, 2010
2:37 pm

Playboy isn’t pornography, actually.

cc

November 11th, 2010
2:59 pm

Adults can report an unwanted advance. It is our job to keep all children safe from any form of molestation. How can any form of pedophilia be legal? If a pedophile is thinking of a child in an inapropriate manner then they should not be within a mile of any children. That is so vial! I will not order anything else from Amazon!

deidre_NC

November 11th, 2010
5:13 pm

cjribera

November 11th, 2010
6:03 pm

Isn’t pedophilia a crime? aren’t the police departments enforcing internet child traffic?
If you commit a crime, no constitution amendment can save you….why would such principles would not apply here?

cjribera

November 11th, 2010
6:06 pm

besides, how can you compare normal porno with a book promoting pedophilia? are you sure you don;t understand the of sex between CONSENTING ADULTS and sex between and adult and a child?

Misty

November 11th, 2010
8:36 pm

Instead of boycotting Amazon, what about boycotting the publisher? I’m all for the First Amendment but not like this. If you want to hurt the author, go for the publisher.

mudhaq

November 11th, 2010
8:49 pm

These kind of irresponsible corporate behaviours should not go unpunished!.. Amazon exist to serve not only the intrest of its shareholders (profits) but other Stakeholders (Customers).. it will be a big leson to any corporate if we bring this corportate down.. Please, all responsible mother, further, brother, sister all from walk of life!.. think about it!!.. that could be your son, your doughter, your sister, your brother, your relative.. there life just destryed by Pedophile in his fantacy world… lets cancel our membership with this compny and stop buying any thing from Amazon!. if you read this message please, join me and do the right things!
Thanks

motherjanegoose

November 11th, 2010
9:44 pm

@ misty…did anyone else read this besides me:

Amazon allows authors to submit their own works and shares revenue with them.

I took it to mean self published….anyone else? This means there perhaps is NO publisher to boycott.

JATL…since you are better at reading comprehension that I perhaps am…care to share?

JATL

November 11th, 2010
11:47 pm

@mjg you are correct! This work is self published by the author who is selling it through Amazon. The other book mentioned- “Boylovers” or whatever is not published by Amazon, but they sell it and ship it themselves, meaning they buy advance copies to have ready to ship.

motherjanegoose

November 12th, 2010
7:49 am

see….I can read….LOL

Active Duty Mom

November 13th, 2010
7:06 am

As a survivor of sexual assault by my mother’s second husband as a child, I can tell you that most often a pedophile will not be a stranger but will choose their victim within their circle of family and friends. Suggestions to protect your children:

1. Let your child know that it is okay to for them to set boundaries–i.e., you do not have to give someone, even a relative or family friend, a hug or kiss. Example: Tell your child to say hello or goodbye to someone not “Give your Uncle Bernie a hug goodbye.”
2. Be very aware if your child appears to be very uncomfortable around someone and acts very different than usual. Example, if your kid does is fearful to be in the same room with or to be left alone with a certain person, something is up.
3. Always let your child know what is an appropriate touch and what is not. Let your child know that if anyone touches them in a way that makes them feel uncomfortable that it is okay to tell that person to stop and that it is okay to tell you. Most important, belive them if they tell you, even if that someone is a very close friend or relative and take action. Nothing is worse than a parent betraying a child and children generally do not lie about this stuff. Trust me on that one.

World Spinner

November 15th, 2010
7:36 pm

Should Amazon.com sell a pedophile guide book? Would you boycott ……

Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……

True American

November 16th, 2010
1:15 pm

“Well, thank God it seems good sense has prevailed.”

“In society, we have to draw a line. I’m all for the First Amendment and hate censorship, but a functioning society has to use some sense.”

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

That’s where we drew the line, and if that’s not good enough for you, than YOU, and YOU advocate boycotting (aka intimidation), YOU are not American. What you COULD have done–instead of 1) not reading the book 2) ergo, jumping to conclusions 3) intimidating a corporation 4) ergo silencing an author through a well-accepted, well-known form of media–was create a peaceful assembly to petition the government to amend the constitution by which would have been decided by a proper 3/4 vote by the people, for YOU people. God save the minorities from “American” COWARDS like you.