Prenatal smoking could make kids unruly later

Researchers have found yet another reason for mothers not to smoke while the baby is in utero — they may be unruly later!

“Mothers who smoke while pregnant increase the risk that their child will develop psychological problems, a new study finds,” according to WebMd.

Researchers from the United Kingdom and Brazil say there is reason to believe that mothers who smoke may expose their fetuses to harmful substances that may affect the behavior of the kids later. The study appears in the July issue of Pediatrics.

From Web MD:

” ‘There was some evidence that maternal smoking in pregnancy is associated with greater conduct/externalizing problems [aggressive behavior, rule-breaking behavior] in the offspring at the age of 4,’ the authors write.”

“Mary-Jo Brion, PhD, of the University of Bristol, tells WebMD by email that babies exposed to smoke may be prone to rule breaking, such as lying, cheating, bullying, and disobedience.”

I completely agree that it’s not good to smoke while you’re pregnant but your kids can turn out unruly anyway. I’ve never smoked ever in my entire life and my kids are always wild. Hmmm …

Another study featured in that same issue of Pediatrics found that second-hand smoke from father or other people could create weight problems for the children even if the mother is a non-smoker.

Sort of related but just a really crazy true story:

A friend one time told me that a relative told her she wanted an easy delivery so she had been smoking to keep the baby’s birthweight down!!!! Shocking!!! But I believe totally to be a true story!

So what do you think: Did you smoke while baby was in utero? Have you seen behavior problem later? Or vice versa no smoking but wild kids now? What about the second study about the second-hand smoke affecting childrens’ weight? Have you ever seen this happen in your family or with friends’ kids?

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Jeff

June 29th, 2010
7:16 am

I’ve never seen this phenomenon. But I’m never around smokers so I probably wouldn’t be likely to see it.

That said, everyone knows smoking is bad. There have been 1,000 studies. If a person is not persuaded by the 1,000 studies, they aren’t going to be persuaded the 1,001st. Sometimes people just do what they want and you have to wash your hands of the issue.

Jeff

June 29th, 2010
7:43 am

I think the connection may not necessarily be the smoking. Unruly kids may have as much to do with a parent who doesn’t care enough to quit smoking during pregnancy has already established that the child isn’t the number one priority. Part of that unruliness can be attributed to lack concern by the parent. That’s not a hard and fast rule because there are great parents who smoke. But we’re probably talking about a statistical connection (1 in …) and not a proven cause and effect.

MomsRule

June 29th, 2010
8:07 am

I think this study is just one more way of taking away personal responsibility. “Its not my fault I’m an undisciplined “wild” kid, my Mom smoked.”

I smoked while pregnant with my first. He is a very calm, well behaved child. He is athletic, a straight A student and in all honors classes.

I did not smoke while pregnant with my second child. He is also well behaved, athletic, a straight A student and will also be in honors classes.

Child number 2 is more energetic than child 1. Neither child has ever been in trouble in school.

While there are a few exceptions, I believe and my personal experiences support that, unruly kids come from lack of parenting and discipline.

Andrea

June 29th, 2010
8:23 am

While I would never advocate smoking while pregnant, I don’t totally agree with the assertion of this piece. I think unruly kids are most often the product of their uninvolved or under-involved parents. That is not to say that every unruly child has uninvolved parents. But, I really believe it is time out to continue to look for excuses and smoke screens for what is often times bad parenting.

There are no perfect parents – myself included. We all make mistakes and have things we would do differently next time. But, in my humble opinion, the first step to effective resolution would be evaluating the parents’ commitment to the process of raising their child(ren).

TechMom

June 29th, 2010
8:29 am

I agree with Jeff’s thoughts. You can’t really prove the reason for a kid’s behavior and smoking is really bad in lots of ways but until people actually stop, does it really matter if there’s another study on the bad effects of smoking?

On a side note, it looks like T isn’t going to be taking her kids to SC either: http://www.ajc.com/news/cobb/marietta-girl-6-bitten-559780.html

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Lori

June 29th, 2010
8:49 am

Maybe it’s not actually the smoking while pregnant that makes the kids turn out bad later, but actually the kind of woman that would do such a thing. I am disgusted by smokers anyway, but anyone who would do something that could harm their unborn child, doesn’t deserve to have one. I was at the movies the other day and I saw a lady with a newborn in one arm and a cigarette in the other. I can’t imagine the health problems that poor child is going to have later.

DB

June 29th, 2010
8:51 am

Another vote for Jeff’s line of thinking — a parent who is irresponsible enough to smoke while pregnant probably isn’t smart enough to figure out how to discipline their child. Undisciplined parent = undisciplined child.

I try my best to avoid second-hand smoke simply because I find the smell objectionable.

JATL

June 29th, 2010
9:01 am

PLEASE do not think I’m condoning smoking while pregnant, but I think Jeff hit an important point as did some others -it’s a great way to offload responsibility plus, if you don’t care enough to quit behaviors when pregnant, then chances are you’re going to let a lot of parenting slide.

The main reason I think this study is bogus -for YEARS (1920s-1960s and even into the 70s), women smoked throughout pregnancy with no worry at the time. Many, MANY children were born to mothers who smoked all the time, but they weren’t unruly (usually because they knew they would get their butts whacked)-again, it goes back to parenting!

HB

June 29th, 2010
9:09 am

I’d like to know more about the study before assuming the other factors people are mentioning rule out their findings. For example, is a smoking pregnant necessarily a sign of stupidity/irresponsibility? In the U.S., I would say yes, but I don’t know if smoking while pregnant is considered an absolute no-no in other countries. I know alcohol is strictly avoided here, but in much of Europe, a glass or two per week while pregnant is considered ok. I’d also be interested in knowing if they tried to account for other things like discipline styles among families (they very well may have) in determining that smoking increases the risk. Nicotine has some nasty chemicals, so I don’t have a hard time believing it could effect a child’s developing brain.

As for smoking to keep the baby’s weight down — wasn’t that the doctor’s advice in A Farewell to Arms? I wonder if that was once common advice to small women.

JATL

June 29th, 2010
9:15 am

Not to hijack this discussion, but I found this interesting (and nightmarish). From our discussion the other day about condoms and when kids are hitting puberty these days -this is GROSS, horrific and sad, but this article states that the poor little 10 year old girl involved became pregnant from this nightmare, so she obviously had entered into puberty. Unfortunately some girls and boys with little parental supervision or guidance start experimenting at this age and the girls do wind up pregnant. http://www.ajc.com/news/two-brothers-charged-with-559570.html?cxtype=rss_news

HB

June 29th, 2010
9:15 am

“Many, MANY children were born to mothers who smoked all the time, but they weren’t unruly”

It’s important to note that the study does NOT say all children born to smoking mothers will be unruly. The findings are that they are at increased risk for behavior problems compared with those whose mothers didn’t smoke; they’re not guaranteed to have problems. Much like smoking parents increase a child’s risk of asthma, but not all children of smoking parents will develop asthma.

JATL

June 29th, 2010
9:18 am

@HB -I laugh (because he’s obviously fine now), but my MIL said she was so nervous when she was pregnant with my husband, she smoked twice as much! AND, her doctor told her it was fine to calm her nerves and because she’s really tiny. Yep, he was born a month early and clocked in a bit under 5 lbs….

motherjanegoose

June 29th, 2010
9:18 am

I have never smoked a cigarette and cannot endure being in the room with second hand smoke. I will cough and sneeze FOREVER and then be sick for days. No smoking in restaurants around here and it is so weird when I do head out and they ask me “smoking or non smoking?” I forget that some places do still have smoking. We also do not have anyone around us who smokes, here in Atlanta.
My husband’s parents are and were chain smokers. He grew up in the midst of it and this is one reason why we rarely took our kids out there.When we were ready to make the trip, he asked his Dad not to smoke in front of our kids but then he would smoke, once we got there ( 1000 miles one way). One time, our son was so sick and had various rounds of antibiotics….finally sinus surgery. It was awful.

The sad thing ( to me) is the little kids I meet every week who REAK of smoke. It is like smelling someone who is drenched in urine….OBVIOUS. They carry it with them wherever they go and they cannot do a thing about it. Poor things. On the flip side, I get a kick out of the kids who smell fresh and clean like shampoo or even fabric freshener…way to go parents! Hats off to the parents who care enough to make sure their kids get a bath every day ( and brush their teeth too)…sometimes this is tricky but ( to me) shows great parenting too as they make time for their kids to smell good and feel fresh.
A kid may not smell too bad ( at home) but mix them up with 20 little bodies on the playground and teachers can sniff out who has had a bath the previous day or that morning!

@ JATL did you see Maureen Downey’s piece on spanking June 25? I read it in the paper yesterday and am going over to her blog to re read.

HB

June 29th, 2010
9:26 am

Too funny, JATL!

TechMom

June 29th, 2010
9:41 am

@JATL that is absolutely horrendous about that little girl who was molested by family members and got pregnant. Talk about a messed up family- oh my gosh! That poor, poor girl. Of course her body probably entered puberty prematurely due to the physical abuse that had been going on for some time and not on a natural time table which is why she was able to get pregnant.

motherjanegoose

June 29th, 2010
9:55 am

Wow…you enter puberty early due to physical abuse. I did not know this!

To me, when sex is all around you…you will become a part of it quicker ( by choice or not). Whatever is happening regularly at home, is observed and sadly ( usually) experienced by children. That article was truly heartbreaking.

To illustrate, our family loves to eat and I will admit that we could stand to lose more than a few pounds. My son is moving out ( again ) today and after our lovely family dinner last night ( grilled salmon, rice, vegetables, fruit salad, and rolls) , he commented that he has gained 20 pounds this past year. He had lost 50 pounds during college. He is 6 foot 2 and not fat ( a 34 waist?) but he will work out in the gym in his new apartment and not eat the hearty meals we eat here. My daughter is not overweight but she hopes to hit the gym when she gets to UGA, to ward off the typical freshman 15.

I may stop cooking in August….LOL!

JATL

June 29th, 2010
10:25 am

@Techmom -you are right that early sexual abuse can make children start developing earlier, but unfortunately kids who are never abused are also developing much earlier due to a variety of reasons -some unknown. A lot has been made of the hormones in our meat and dairy products, and that certainly has some bearing, but scientists and doctors have also published studies finding that plastics somehow have an effect on estrogen levels and can possibly make girls enter puberty earlier. A lot of the studies simply do state that the medical and scientific community isn’t completely sure why it’s suddenly happening earlier, but it definitely is.

JATL

June 29th, 2010
10:25 am

@MJG -I did not see her piece, but I will look it up. I always enjoy reading her columns.

FCM

June 29th, 2010
10:37 am

Another vote for Jeff.

Plus JATL has a good point about smoking from the 20s on through.

Let see..in the 20’s-late 70s at least a Mom, smoker or not, was likely to be um….AT HOME. They were not likely to be working. They were also more likely to have a FATHER in the home.

The “unruly” children of that time frame often were from single parents, or what was once termed “the deserving poor” (those who could work but didn’t, or gambled/drank their money away).

YUKI

June 29th, 2010
10:48 am

My mom smoked with both my sister and I and we are fine. Healthy birth weights and still healthy. Of course, she says it was because they didn’t know better back then. Now, you would have to be a fool to do it in my opinion.
I was a “social smoker” prior to getting pregnant. I stopped the day I found out and haven’t had one since. Now I realize how unhealthy and disgusting it is and will never smoke again. Doing it for the health of my child actually helped me never want to smoke again.
Does it make a child unruly? I doubt it. I agree with Jeff and all of the others in saying it is more likely the parents than anything else.

JATL

June 29th, 2010
11:00 am

@MJG -I read the Downey piece and I agree that corporal punishment should NOT be in schools. IN regards to the study about juvenile offenders, there is also a gigantic difference in popping a 4 year old on the butt 3 or 4 times when nothing else has worked and in beating a kid with a belt or extension cord AND (this is huge) never really showing them any affection, love or attention at other times. I’m not a huge fan of spanking, but you have to look at the kid. Some kids respond very well to time outs and having things taken away, and some respond to that sometimes but not others. My oldest will ALWAYS respond to the threat of a spanking! We use time outs and taking stuff away, but when that doesn’t work he hits “level 3.” However, his younger brother’s disposition is such that I’ll be shocked if I ever have to spank him. I also think you only have a few years as a window to spanking. I don’t think it’s a good idea when kids get past age 5 or 6. At that point, if the parents are actually being parents, they’ve had several years to drive home the house rules and expectations, and the kids have gotten old enough to understand that when Mom or Dad says they aren’t taking you to a movie or your favorite truck is going away for a week -they mean it!

We’ve never had any problems with our oldest at preschool (other than his biting phase a few years ago), and he responds well to their discipline rules. He also knows if he gets in trouble at school and doesn’t respond -and we are called about it -then he’s already at level 3! My parents always made it clear to my school and to me that NO ONE was allowed to hit me at any time, but if there was a problem that serious then they would be called and they would handle it. I most certainly did NOT want that to happen!

I think the schools that are considering bringing it back or that still use it are so exasperated with discipline issues that they’ll do almost anything. I remember a class of 9th graders I had one year. I said at the time that while I didn’t believe in corporal punishment in the schools, I would love to have a paddle on my wall and to line them all up and bust some butts!

HB

June 29th, 2010
11:06 am

I’m just curious — do any of you believe alcohol or drugs abuse during pregnancy can increase risks of behavior problems, such as more difficulty controlling impulses or more aggressive behavior? If so, then why is everyone so doubtful that the chemicals in cigarettes can increase risks as well? Is there any data to suggest that there were no, or even fewer, behavior problems in children born in the 1920s-70s? And assuming there were, what would make you assume that those problems were not more likely in kids who moms smoked while pregnant than those whose didn’t? It’s particularly interesting to me that people don’t seem to be skeptical of the idea that hormones in meat can cause early puberty, even though I’m sure many girls who eat meat don’t enter puberty earlier, but are extremely skeptical of the idea that chemical exposure in utero could effect brain development in a way that make kids more likely to be aggressive, just because not all kids whose parents smoked are. We know physical (neurological) conditions can have behavioral symptoms, so I’m surprised people are so eager to dismiss these studies’ results so quickly.

FCM

June 29th, 2010
11:07 am

MJG–some kids should not get a bath daily. Daily bathing can overdry the skin and all the lotion in the world won’t help, infact it could hurt. I know this b/c the Peditrician ended up sending a letter to my children’s father, the court, AND the school when I stated that no they did not get daily baths and he made it a big fuss. I didn’t need it for the school but felt as long as I had it and teachers like you believed it was lack of parenting we would make it “official”. The Pediatric office recommends that children bathe every other day unless there is a good reason not to do so. Good reasons, according to the letter include, being dirty to where you see the dirt (ie paint, mud, etc), overly sweaty–like sports, or similar.

RJ

June 29th, 2010
11:07 am

I doubt this study is true, but I’m sure you can find enough kids that are unruly and their moms smoked to make it appear to be true. Poor parenting or emotional issues are the usual reasons a child behaves poorly.

Personally, I have never understood why a mother would risk her child’s health just to get a fix. I don’t care if the child ended up being the president of the United States, it doesn’t validate the decision to risk another human beings health. Several years ago I had an extremely bright student that I shall never forget. In the 6th grade he scored in the 99th percentile on the ITBS in all areas. In the 8th grade he aced the algebra pre-test that was given to determine what math students should take (he was the only student to do so). His older sister graduated in the top 10% of her high school class. Imagine my surprise to learn that his mother was a junkie that had been in and out of jail his entire life. Yes, she did drugs when she was pregnant with him and his sister. She obviously had two incredibly smart kids that her mom raised, however does that mean that doing drugs, even drinking alcohol, is okay since her kids turned out fine? Part of being a parent is making sacrifices. Being a good parent begins with pregnancy.

catlady

June 29th, 2010
11:20 am

I’d like to see how the authors arrived at this. It sounds like just a statistical correlation, without controlling for the kinds of parenting behaviors (making threats, no followup, parking the child in front of the Tv/video/nintendo, ) that lead to poorly behaved children. I guess this mirrors what Jeff says.

Babies of smokers are more frequently low-birthweight, and thus more likely to have cognitive function problems, now that is a correlation that has found some actual traction. But the other “findings?” Sorry, but it does not sound like the authors considered other variables.

All in all, this one doesn’t “clear the air.”

And,please, folks, quit with the “Aunty Em” stories (ie, I smoked and my kids are well behaved, etc) Let’s talk about statistically viable samples here.

catlady

June 29th, 2010
11:34 am

RJ, I would say being a good parent starts WELL BEFORE pregnancy!

JATL

June 29th, 2010
11:36 am

@HB -I have no doubt that drugs and alcohol while pregnant cause problems, and I have no problem thinking that the chemicals in cigarettes can cause problems too, but one only has to visit a mall, Target, restaurant -any public place where a number of children are -to witness that kids today are HORRIBLY behaved compared to kids 25 + years ago. I personally blame it on a bunch of parents using “alternative” discipline approaches that aren’t REALLY following the guidelines for those approaches, but instead are using them as an excuse to do little or nothing (and using tv as a babysitter while allowing 4 year olds to mouth off to adults after they see it on tv). Our society has developed this intense focus on children and childhood, and we over-analyze it to the point of distraction. Kids need to understand it really isn’t all about them and that there’s quite a bit they can wait until they’re older to do and say. The brattiness and misbehavior I constantly see in public definitely stems from poor parenting and not because mommy smoked. There are SOME kids with diagnosed disorders that may have gotten their disorder from chemicals in mommy’s cigarette (or crack pipe or liquor bottle), but most of what I see is sheer, out of control and undisciplined brat behavior.

catlady

June 29th, 2010
11:44 am

FCM, I did a doubletake when I saw your reference to the “deserving poor.” I have always understood that phrase to apply to those who want to work but for some reason could not (mentally or physically challenged, for example) or the working poor who have minimum wage jobs and thus cannot feed, clothe and house themselves. I have always heard it to refer to those who DESERVE our help. The way I am understanding you, it is those who DESERVE to be POOR due to laziness, alcohol, etc. There is quite a difference in the two, isn’t there?

Melody

June 29th, 2010
11:50 am

To JATL- For the most part, smoking was unusual for women in the 1920’s up through the 1960’s. Some wild flapper girls may haved smoked, but most mothers did not because it was considered sinful for women.
It wasn’t until smoking became more acceptable for women around the 1970’s that researchers recognized the dangers of pregnant women smoking.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

June 29th, 2010
11:55 am

TechMOm — we will now mark SC off our list — beaches without shark activity quickly dwindling– to make things worse I’m totally creeped out by lakes so my kids are really screwed!!

JATL — that is the worst story — I can’t imagine what people are thinking — how could you ever do that to a child — I’m just disgusted — that poor, poor child!! I have a very hard time understanding how God can let bad things like that happen to children — like that little girl molested and killed by her friend’s mother — terrible –

Jeff

June 29th, 2010
12:01 pm

JATL – you are dead on. I think the real cause and effect is lack of parental oversight and not the smoking. Moms who smoke during pregnancy NOW are more than likely also going to lack parental oversight skills (and desire to have that skill).

FCM

June 29th, 2010
12:31 pm

Catlady….It has been over a decade since I read the book where I got the terms. You are correct I had it backward in my head….the ones who bring their poverty on themselves (which is the ones I most certainly was talking about as the post says–drunks/druggies, etc) are the UNDESERVING poor. I believe in my head I always associated it with those deserving the poverty because their actions lead to it.

However lets be correct in the nomenclature and I will restate my post correctly: “The “unruly” children of that time frame often were from single parents, or what was once termed “the undeserving poor” (those who could work but didn’t, or gambled/drank their money away).” I also want to point out the children themselves were considered deserving poor, it was the parents who were undeserving.

JATL

June 29th, 2010
12:35 pm

@Melody -that’s not true! While the majority of women didn’t smoke in the 20s and 30s, they started puffing away like crazy during and after WWII in the 40s-especially younger women of childbearing age. Several famous and very successful ad campaigns urged women to pick up Lucky Strikes instead of sweets for weight control and to calm their nerves and anxiety. During the 50s and 60s, a significant percentage of the female population smoked (again, predominately younger women of childbearing age)!

You can look at the following or just google for the info. Different studies show anywhere from a third to half of the female population smoking in the decades from the 40s -70s. Smoking became very socially acceptable for women of all classes during WWII.

Specifically look at p. 9 (and the younger ages of women in their 20s) -http://profiles.nlm.nih.gov/NN/B/C/P/H/_/nnbcph.pdf

http://social.jrank.org/pages/1093/Risky-Behavior-Smoking-Trends-Adults.html

From Tobacco.org -The Tobacco Timeline: 1949: CONSUMPTION: 44-47% of all adult Americans smoke; over 50% of men, and about 33% of women (certainly not just a few sinful flappers). AND most of those women were young and in their child-bearing years.

JJ

June 29th, 2010
12:56 pm

Theresa, Seriously? Taking SC off your vacation plans. You do realized that only a small part of the state is on the coast. Sharks don’t come inland. You are really starting to worry me with all these fears of yours. I too am terrified of sharks, so I just don’t get in ocean past my knees. I actually got into Lake Lanier the other day, on a float. Oh wait, there might be a huge catfish down there, waiting on me for lunch…..

You can’t go to the oceans – there might be sharks in the water;
You can’t go to the Mountains – there might be a bear or mountain lions

But, if there is a STATE WIDE watering ban. you fill up the kiddy pool, not just once, but numerous times, since the water gets dirty. can’t have dirty water in a kiddy pool now can we? You might not be able to see the sharks…..

Are you hellbent on making your kids housebound and scarred to death of anything that moves???? Here Walsh, go play a nice video game. Grand Theft Auto anyone?

HB

June 29th, 2010
1:06 pm

@JATL, I get what you’re saying, and no doubt many behavioral problems are due to a lack of discipline (and this study, by the way, doesn’t suggest otherwise), but even among kids discplined the same way, whether that way is strict or lax, there are huge variations in behavior that I think most of us would say is due to “natural” tendencies of the individual that are not necessarily entirely shaped by parental influence. This study is just saying that smoking during pregnancy likely contributes to that kind of behavior, much as alcohol and drugs can, not that discipline is irrelevent or even that most unruly kids you see at the mall are the result of maternal smoking.

And while I agree with you that American society has often been overly focused on children to the point of doting on them in the last 15-20 years, I don’t know that that’s the case in the U.K. It’s important to remember in analyzing this study that we can’t necessarily apply our own observations of American society and parenting trends because the study was not focused on Americans.

bring back lewis!

June 29th, 2010
1:43 pm

The AJC actually beleives this hack represents ATL Mom’s? Her kids are destined for glue addictions. I am boycotting everything AJC until they dump her!

FCM

June 29th, 2010
1:51 pm

TWG–”I’m totally creeped out by lakes so my kids are really screwed!!” Isn’t this the real reason you cancelled the trip to Lake Lanier Water Slides?

JD

June 29th, 2010
2:03 pm

FCM, I live on the lake and just curious…what’s so creepy about it?? On topic, had 3 children in the 80’s & smoked with the first two. All three weighed over 8lbs and all three are well adjusted – no behavior problems. Although, I would never smoke while pregnant now, my primary concerns are with the water we drink, exhaust fumes we breath & the crap we eat. If you read Time in late May, an article addressed all these and the underlying causes of cancer. This world is a mess with our garbage, medicated/polluted drinking water and trillions of cars smoking every day. Cigarettes are terrible….so is water & air. We’re all doomed to a short life span so make the best of what we have.

JJ

June 29th, 2010
2:45 pm

Theresa said that, no FCM….

JATL

June 29th, 2010
3:13 pm

@TWG -I know I’ve said it before (yesterday and other times) but if you think there’s a beach out there without shark activity, you’re mistaken! This wasn’t at Hilton Head, so you could still go there! I do hope you’re kidding and just putting this stuff out there to flame up the blog.

catlady

June 29th, 2010
3:25 pm

FCM- we called them bums or trash. Now, seems like we have even less patience with people who are down on their luck, until it is US!

JJ: A little harsh, eh? (The kiddie pool think really bothered me, too, I will admit.)

FCM

June 29th, 2010
4:14 pm

catlady my children keep talking about if they run off or don’t get an education they will have to be Hobos. Where they got that one I don’t know. They do seem to know what a Hobo is though.

motherjanegoose

June 29th, 2010
4:50 pm

@ FCM…different strokes for different folks and not all Doctors agree on everything.

I can certainly understand some children having dry skin and that would be a good reason not to over bathe.

I DID NOT grow up having a bath every day. Neither did my husband. We did bath our kids nearly every single day of their lives…with few exceptions. Some folks think swimming in the pool can be an excuse for not bathing…not me. I spent 5 years in the classroom with PreK-2nd children before having children of my own. I came to appreciate the smell of clean children, especially after recess. Also, teeth that are brushed….LOL.

Pooling teachers, I am not the only one but we are in our own orbit about things that happen with children, 180 days plus or minus each year in class. We do often chuckle about recommendations from Doctors who absolutely KNOW LOTS OF MEDICAL THINGS but even spent 12 hours a room with 20 plus kids EVER.

I was at a wonderful school in NM where the interns took turns on a rotating basis being in the clinic in the school and observing behaviors in the classrooms by interacting for several weeks. Seems it added new insight to their thoughts on kids. What a wonderful idea!

I did teach early on in Texas, where the temp. ( like today) is often in the 90’s and kids do tend to get overly sweaty just from being outside on the playground. Kids here can get sweaty just from walking to and from the bus stop, at least 6 months a year.

I will say that personal hygiene is a skill my kids picked up early and still have to this day.

The routine of a warm bath, story, snack, teeth brushing and going to bed with a musical cassette was a big part of our life when the kids were little. But I am fully aware that fewer and fewer kids have any kind of routine now.

This is interesting and I found it on: Savvy Science Mom

Use common sense. If your child is visibly dirty, sweat a great deal during the day, or has an odor, it is time for a bath.

Teachers seem to detect the odors when kids have come in from the playground after recess. Just like those who live in a smoke filled house do not notice the aroma as much as those of us who do not smoke.

I have given kids rides ( in my car) that have obviously not had a bath in 24 hours and I can tell.
Guess my nose is on alert after smelling all those little kids.

Peachy

June 29th, 2010
4:50 pm

Please tell me this was just for shock factor and not serious:TechMOm — we will now mark SC off our list — beaches without shark activity quickly dwindling– to make things worse I’m totally creeped out by lakes so my kids are really screwed!!

Yesterday your blog was about memories, what kind of memories are you really making for your children? They are going to be scared of everything and not remember anything except all the things they couldn’t do…that makes me very sad for them. It seems like your family is well off enough to take vacations to the beach, mountains, lake, etc but you can’t/won’t because of your fears. Please take a deep breath, be a little more rational and make some fun outdoor memories with your children (even if you are secretly holding your breath the whole time!)

On topic- One more reason not to smoke, but just like Jeff said why is reason 1,001 going to make a difference to all the idiots that didn’t listen to the first thousand.

motherjanegoose

June 29th, 2010
5:01 pm

oops..Doctors having NEVER spent 12 hours in a room with 20 plus kids.

I remember a child, early in my career who had some social and emotional problems. I was a young teacher and not at all prepared/qualified to make ANY kind of diagnosis nor recommendation. I asked other teachers to take a peak and then I spoke with my principal who agreed we would ask them to talk to their pediatrician ( after all, he WAS a medical professional). They came back in 2 weeks and proudly told us that after a 10 minute evaluation…..she was absolutely fine. OOOKKKK!

I also had a 5 year old who pooped in his pants regularly, in Kindergarten. He was a normal kid and did not seem to have any medical problems. Dad was a Doctor who said that it would just take longer for him to be potty trained, so go with it. How do you take one child to the restroom ( down the hall) and clean him up while leaving 17 other kids in the room alone? I never figured that one out.

catlady

June 29th, 2010
7:38 pm

MJG-Unfortunately our psychometrist could not recognize a kid with problems if they had a sign stapled to their heads. Never spent a day in the classroom, did not have children of his own, spent less than an hour with children to reach the “conclusion” that there wasn’t anything wrong with them. Would give us suggestions on how to help them which included things like, “Move the student closer to the board” or “Separate the student from others who misbehave.” Was sure the 2 little tests he gave each and every referred student would discover any problems; refused to give any credence to teachers’ concerns.

motherjanegoose

June 29th, 2010
7:44 pm

@catlady….yep…been there done that! Oh wow…you do give a bit of credence to those who have children of their own…be careful…that is a slippery slope on this blog…LOL!

motherjanegoose

June 29th, 2010
10:51 pm

For those of you who are foggy on math, if 18 Kindergarten Kids pooped in their pants only ONCE per week, that would be at least 4 hours ( per week) of the teacher being out of the class to clean kids up ( @ 15 minutes per poop). When I was teaching half day Kinder in Texas, that was equal to one instructional day per week spent on cleaning up kids who were not potty trained by age 5. This takes on new meaning when you are on clean up patrol and you should be teaching ABC’s or 123’s. Kind of hard to take an MD Dad’s advice and just go with it.

Often, teachers do have a different perspective: one sweaty unbathed body can perhpas be ignored but 6-10 brings in a need for some serious FEBREEZE :).

JJ

June 30th, 2010
8:31 am

Peachy – go back and read TechMom’s post at 8:29. She posted a story about a 6 year old who was bitten by a shark off the SC coast. Theresa was replying to TechMom’s post……and I quote -

“TechMom — we will now mark SC off our list — beaches without shark activity quickly dwindling– to make things worse I’m totally creeped out by lakes so my kids are really screwed!!”

That was NOT TechMom saying she doesn’t like lakes….

Peachy

June 30th, 2010
8:54 am

JJ – I understand I was quoting TWG, I know she is the crazy protective scared one, not tech mom. Please don’t assume you are smarter than everyone. Read my second paragraph it specifically says yesterday YOUR blog was about memories, therefore it is obvious this was directed at TWG.

JJ

June 30th, 2010
9:15 am

Wow Peachy – wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? Take it easy with the nastiness. It’s too early to be evil.

FCM

June 30th, 2010
10:48 am

Peachy….the your blog does indeed indicate you were referring to TWG….however it is usually customary to indicate the Proper Noun and the pronoun then refers to it. In this case the only Proper Noun named in the post of June 29th, 2010 4:50 pm was TechMom….so it is ligit that folks we link the “your” back to her not TWG. In fact not once was TWG mentioned in post as anything other than a pronoun.

FCM

June 30th, 2010
10:49 am

er folks would link not folks we link

Jim Ragsdale

July 11th, 2010
11:49 am

I am embarrassed I took the time to read these comments. First, you people who like to bash smokers are probably fat pigs 20-100 pounds overweight. Your going to die because of your lack of discipline with a fork.

Secondly, everyone of you drives a car. The only difference between car exhaust and cigarette smoke is the nicotine in the cigs. Yet not one of you says a word about driving while pregnant and exposing your unborn fetus to second hand auto exhaust. You people need to get your own life and stop trying to tell everyone else what to do. You don’t really let your children ride in an AUTOMOBILE do you? How disgusting. Do you know what you are forcing them to inhale???? Wht terrible parents you are. What you live in a city? Do you know how much second hand carcinogins are just floating in that smog that you are forcing down your children’s lungs? How can you live wih yourself for not moving to the country?

Katy Smith

July 18th, 2010
10:55 pm

I smoked Marlboro’s and both of my children like cowboy hats…