Has MTV gone too far?

The Hard Times of RJ BergerMTV Shows

I know I’m going to sound like that guy that spits in the Twisted Sister video “We’re Not going to Take It” but I’m really feeling like MTV has just gone too far. I tuned in for about an hour of the MTV Movie Awards last weekend and couldn’t get over the ridiculous amount of cursing and very graphic sexual references.

I know Madonna was pushing the envelope in the 1980s squirming around on the floor in her underwear but this year’s movie awards came off as adult programming, not a show for 16-year-olds wanting to see Bella and Edward from “Twilight” kiss. (I couldn’t get the stupid videos to load properly so you’ll have to click the links to see Christina Aguilera’s performance where her back up dancers fondle her and her vaginal region lights up in a heart shape at the end. Also watch one of the stars of “Twilight” curse a blue streak accepting his award.”

I was thrilled when Entertainment Weekly’s coverage of the MTV Movie Awards agreed with me that there was a ridiculous amount of cursing and way too much graphic sex references.

EW broke it down by the numbers:

50 times a curse word was bleeped

12 times MTV missed the bleep

16 number of pelvic thrusts

12 number of simulated sex acts
Another example that I think is just simply over the line is a new show called “The Hard Times of RJ Berger.” It is basically a show all about a teenager with a giant – well you know. It’s unbelievably sexual and very adult. Essentially a younger version of HBO’s “Hung.” And even though when I saw it the show was on at midnight it just seems way too raunchy for a teenager. (Maybe OK for college students.)

I just walked upstairs to get the EW to quote from and MTV happened to be on. The show was “True Life: I’m in the Adult Sex Industry” and the guy was explaining how he was a straight guy doing gay porn because he made more money that way. That seems appropriate for a 16-year-old.

So have I completely crossed over to Old Ladiesville or has MTV crossed a line with content that is just not appropriate for teenagers anymore? Are they aiming more for college students? But you know high school (and younger) are watching it!

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G.R.I.T.S.

June 15th, 2010
7:15 am

wow….i dont know why anyone would ever have MTV on lol…that is the worst channel…i used to watch it all the time…LONG ago…the only shows on there i liked were boiling point and i think that isnt on anymore.,..well..i have had my tv disconnected as my daughter and i never watch it…after my son moved out one day i realized the tv hadnt been on for over a month and freaked that i was paying so much for truly nothing…so we dont even have tv…we watch videos…as for language….that is everywhere…i cant tell you how many times in my job i hear profanity-either from an irate customer or just people talking together…people have no respect anymore….and people do not demand respect so its just going to get worse.

Jeff

June 15th, 2010
7:31 am

Wow GRITS, I know I’ve thought about it but haven’t tossed mine. I’ve always wondered how much more productive I would be, but that is a forever-chasing issue.

I was an MTV kid in the 80’s. Can still name songs by visualizing the video in my head. It’s as close as I’ll get to a photographic memory. So I have a little reference.

I personally think MTV is only relevant to those kids who are already on that slope. As an adult, yes it’s obvious what the people on there are doing. But it’s no different than any other group of people who constantly want attention at all costs.

G.R.I.T.S.

June 15th, 2010
7:46 am

well i answered jeff and it is lost in cyber land somewhere…..:(

HB

June 15th, 2010
8:16 am

And to think when I was 16, everyone was all worked up over Beevis and Butthead. Seriously, though, if Theresa didn’t blog about their shows now and then, I wouldn’t remember that MTV is still on the air.

Photius

June 15th, 2010
8:27 am

Pssst, Theresa…. let me let you in on a little secret. 15 year old boys with a computer download all the porn they could ever desire – the girls will view it as well (Remember high school, Theresa, someone showed you a porno before you turned 18!). Television is not the problem – it would blow your mind what type of adult stuff Little Johnny is downloading on his old man’s work computer.

JJ

June 15th, 2010
8:56 am

It’s not just MTV, it’s everywhere you look. There is no respect anymore, that is correct. Everything is sexual, EVERYTHING….

Just look at the video of the 11 year olds bumping & grinding, shaking and grooving……

I have not watched MTV in YEARS, since they stopped showing videos. I’m on the verge of disconnecting my cable too, except for one or two shows, and I normally record stuff on the DVR. There are too many freaking commercials……and I’m tired of paying for them.

I had my cable cut a few years back, and my daughter and I found so many other things to do to occupy our evenings…..

ATL06

June 15th, 2010
8:56 am

Or in some cases what the old man is downloading on his work computer.

YUKI

June 15th, 2010
9:00 am

MTV is pretty much trash. I don’t even understand how they can still call it MTV (which stands for Music Television). Do they even still play videos anymore? Why don’t they just call it Reality Show Television?

Michelle

June 15th, 2010
9:00 am

Theresa, I must be in the same category as you! I cannot stand to be around that type of behavior. Thankfully, I just turn it off or switch channels. I’m very particular about what my little guy watches AND what is on when he’s around.

GRITS, you are right, most people just accept the foul language as a part of life. I feel that I deserve more respect than that!

Photius, you are right as well. Kids today have WAY more access to inappropriate things than we did. I think if the parents were more “attentive” and actually looked in on what their kids were up to, the problem might not be as widespread.

A problem that I have is that our culture is just allowing these to happen and are accepting is as normal or ok! Why? Just because it is show biz, entertainment, etc., doesn’t make it right. If we continue on this track, we are destined to be another Sodom & Gomorrah (sp?).

JATL

June 15th, 2010
9:11 am

I agree that there doesn’t seem to be much of a “line” to cross any more. I LOVED MTV when it debuted and throughout my teen years and college. That was when it was really music television! The raunch factor that got us so whetted up came primarily from the music videos, and I even remember some of them being edited or not airing until really late hours. My basic problem with all of this stems from who is supposed to be their core demographic. If it was a station like Bravo or AMC or something, I probably wouldn’t have a problem with any of it, but when your entire brand is “teenagers” and you market to teenagers and very young adults, then I think there is some responsibility there. The shows about the guy’s giant d*** and documentaries about porn workers don’t belong on there. If MTV has taken a turn and decided it’s going to be all about the 21-30 demographic, they’ve done a very poor job in marketing. It’s all about teenagers, and their programming specialists want to keep them hooked, so they show this crap. I seriously would NOT allow my kids to watch it if they were under 16. From 16 on -hmmmm -I don’t want them getting a constant stream of filth, but I’m not going to freak out over the MTV awards -although they should strive to clean it up a bit. We all know that half the kids watching that were way under 16! This is another reason kids do NOT need tv in their bedrooms! That was one of my biggest peeves when I was a teacher -my students staying up until 3 and 4 AM watching “Real Sex” -or even MTV -and getting no sleep while watching highly inappropriate shows for their age range. Keep tv out of your kid’s room so you have control! You know that you cannot rely on the networks or cable channels to care or be responsible. It would be nice if they were and maybe some high level backlash like EW’s will help, but ultimately you have to control the tv. On the other end, they just want to make money.

Becky

June 15th, 2010
9:36 am

Like others have said, I havne’t watched MTV in years..They haven’t had videos for long now that most teenagers today don’t (probably) even know that that’s what they’re suppose to be seeing on MTV..I do want my two to be exposed to “everyday” things for some stuff, but I don’t think that cursing and sex should be everyday stuff..

irisheyes

June 15th, 2010
9:55 am

Here’s how I deal with MTV (and other channels that I find inappropriate). They’re blocked on my TV. Sure, my kids are 8 & 7, so MTV isn’t exactly their demographic, but I figure they’ll be so used to channels not showing up, that it’ll just be normal. But I’ve already had to tell them that there are shows that they can’t watch because of the content. More parents just need to say “No” to their kids.

A

June 15th, 2010
9:55 am

Like other posters, I remember when MTV debuted in the early ’80s and actually played music videos! We all knew the VJs’ names, and it became a cultural touchstone for us. Obviously things have changed. Our parents may not have appreciated us watching MTV, but compared to the stuff kids see today it was harmless. My 7-year-old doesn’t even know what MTV is, and I hope to keep it that way. Kids grow up too fast as it is.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 15th, 2010
10:22 am

Here is what is surprising to me:

(A) a 40 year old tunes into the MTV music awards
(B) it takes an hour to realize that it offensive

On the other hand I kind of get it, when I got Cinemax, it took me years to realize that Cinemax After Dark was actually a deliberate effort by a company to show soft core porn and sexually provocative programming for the sole purpose of increasing ratings! SHOCKING! Don’t worry though, I monitor that programming on a regular basis and I’ll check back in with you guys if I ever find it to have crossed the line of good taste. I take my watch dog duties very seriously.

Michelle

June 15th, 2010
10:33 am

Tiger, you’re a hoot! You do know the nickname for Cinemax right? SKINemax (after dark)!

DB

June 15th, 2010
10:40 am

I never really watched MTV in it’s heyday, and my kids weren’t allowed to watch it when they were growing up, so it’s a non-issue. My daughter and I watched a few shows of “Parental Control”, but we were both turned off by the utter rudeness of the bum boyfriends/girlfriends, especially when it came to their behavior towards the parents. As my daughter said, in shock, “I can’t IMAGINE saying that to someone’s parents!!!!!”

I did catch some of the awards show the other night, but got bored with it and turned it off. I just don’t find blatant fake sexuality all that interesting, titillating or even provocative. It just seems tired and cheap to me. Eh. I don’t understand reality programming (real life’s not interesting enough?) and my memories of a music video include Steve Martin in “King Tut”. :-) So obviously, I’m not their demographic. No matter how many bows you put on it, trash is still trash.

Bill

June 15th, 2010
10:51 am

The writer states, “I tuned in.”

See where I’m going with that, Theresa? YOU tuned in. YOU can tune out.

Welcome to Geezerville. Population plenty!

penguinmom

June 15th, 2010
10:56 am

We also have MTV blocked on our TV. I’m not really shocked that the awards show was that raunchy. I thought everything on MTV was aimed at being as raunchy as possible. It’s almost become a contest to see how much further they can push the line each year. I don’t plan on unblocking MTV when my kids get older because it will probably be completely pornographic by then. (TWG – I hope your young kids weren’t home watching MTV upstairs while you were downstairs typing in your blog.)

I also remember when MTV was actually videos. That was back in the golden days of cable when we all thought there was going to be a channel for everything. Now we’ve discovered that there are lots of different channel names but, in general, they are all devolving into the same ‘reality TV’. MTV & VH1 are not about videos or even music anymore. HGTV has moved from decorating and upgrading your home to show about following a couple around as they search for the right house or shows about finding their next ‘design star’. Ditto on Food Network – not many recipes mostly competitions. A&E – is ‘Dog the bounty hunter’ really arts and entertainment? Is ‘Pawn Stars’ really History? AMC – American ‘Movie’ Classics – ‘Breaking Bad’ is not a move or a classic.

I’m not saying that I don’t like some of the shows these channels have, just that, when cable originally started there was a thought that each channel would have a specific demographic and would program accordingly. It hasn’t turned out that way probably because the payment model changed somewhat. Instead each channel now competes for every demographic which means we end up with fairly homogeneous looking channels with names that don’t have much connection to the types of shows they air.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 15th, 2010
11:08 am

Personally, I find “the real housewives of…” to be pretty pornographic…not in the sexual sense, but more so in the intellectual sense.

And since the real topic is that MTV is a public nuisance, not really a nuisance to the programming being a threat to HER children, because they didn’t watch it, she did….I have to wonder if Walsh is into Bakugan Brawlers, Ben 10, or the new gem Generator Rex like my son is. I haven’t had a problem with BB or B10, but I drew the line at Generator Rex. I guess I took the same offense with violence that Theresa did with sex and sexual innuendo. But if MTV is offensive and Walsh sits arounds watching Generator Rex, then I see a hypocrisy.

But that’s what our society is about now isn’t, violence is ok whether it be Luke getting his hand cut off in Star Wars along with the countless good guys and bad guys getting shot and killed while Darth Vader chokes people to death, but we have to draw the line at Han and Leia getting a little freaky in a utility closet of the Millenium Falcon.

Jack Nicholson said it best …….”cut a d*@k off and you get an R-rating, put one in a mouth and you get an X”. Good ole Jack.

Kathy

June 15th, 2010
11:13 am

How come you are just now figuring this out. MTV has been trashy since my children were teenagers and I had to deal with it. That was more than 15 years ago.!

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 15th, 2010
11:16 am

My bad folks on the Nicholson quote…that’s the quote I remember, this is what was actually said..

“If you suck on a t*t the movie gets an R rating. If you hack the t*t off with an axe it will be PG.”

good ole jack!

Ron Mexico

June 15th, 2010
11:27 am

Comes down to parenting and how you raise your kids. Too many parents want to be BFF’s with their kids and it’s hard to tell who the kid is and who the parent is.

Bottom line: Kill your tv. I’ve read a few “momania” columns and you gals talk and write like teenagers. Grow up.

Michelle

June 15th, 2010
11:33 am

Tiger, I don’t like the BB, but like Ben 10. I haven’t watched too much of Generator Rex…maybe I should watch it a little closer?! Hmmm…

Like many of you, I don’t particularly care for violence just for the sake of violence (same with cursing, sex, etc.) When my son asks why he can’t watch something, I try to give him an honest reason (along with the famous standby of because I said so!)

I never really cared for MTV when it was popular back in the day. I sure don’t care for it now! I’m SO sick of reality TV too. We are just about ready to cut our cable down to basically the kid stations.

itpdude

June 15th, 2010
11:36 am

MTV has always been a bit trashy, no? The only time I watch now is for Nitro Circus. I used to only watch it for Jackass, Bam, and Wild Boyz. They haven’t played music for a while, but last time they did, it generally sucked unless it was some rock, which they’ve turned away from in favor of rap and RB and hip-hop for quite some time. The only good thing about them not doing vids anymore is they don’t have the crappy black videos on anymore.

I understand the over-sexualization you witnessed, though I did not see that particular program. That is the state of our youth culture today: Hyper-sexuality. It was Hi-Sexuality shortly ago. The culture is changing very quickly and we are seeing the mores change quickly, too.

If you want to escape it, get rid of your cable television, severely restrict the internet, don’t let your kids have camera phones, and only let your children associate with the same kinds of kids.

david

June 15th, 2010
11:51 am

Censorship is Un American! http://www.theroc.org Long live Ozzy!

Drew

June 15th, 2010
11:57 am

Here’s a news flash for you… this is what MTV does. They are professional provocateurs. They shock, they poke, they just want to be talked about the next day. They were responsible for Janet Jackson’s so-called ‘wardrobe malfunction’. Their programming is one endless pandering scream for the lowest common denominator. As a parent, if it’s on in your home, you’re just enabling them.

Just sayin’.

penguinmom

June 15th, 2010
12:02 pm

I actually have less problem with violence as long as there are Clear good guys and bad guys. Sex, crudeness and cursing in today’s shows and movies almost always occurs for no good reason.

I do have to agree a little with Tiger… I don’t really understand a 40 year old even wanting to watch the MTV awards. The level of immaturity that the show is obviously going to display would turn me off even if I was *actually* interested in who won what MTV award. I can think of way too many things I’d rather do that watch the MTV awards. (I think cleaning my bathroom would even rank higher…)

At some point you have to give up the “I’m worried about people thinking I’m old” attitude. Once you pass 35, it really doesn’t matter how *cool* you think you are; if the person is under the age of 25, they think you are old. If they are under 20, they probably think you are ancient and a fuddy-duddy irregardless of what shows you watch or don’t watch.

Also, I’m hoping the last line of the article was sarcastic or mistyped. I would think a porn star documentary is *inappropriate* for a 16-yr-old.

Nativeson71

June 15th, 2010
12:08 pm

Please go watch the movies Cabaret and Sweet Charity…both movies made nearly 40 years ago…have suggestive costumes, provacative dancing, story lines that push sexual boundaries…and those movies are considered classic because they clearly ‘document’ a specific time in the 20th century.

If you do not like it – change the channel.

atl1netime

June 15th, 2010
12:14 pm

Truthfully sexual references and bad language sells….I am in the entertainment business (personal bodyguard) here in Atlanta, Ga. I have worked for country singers, R & B singers, Rappers…Actors etc. The point is most of everything you hear on the radio or see on T.V. is strictly based on ratings and sells. The only way these shows or entertainers are allowed to continue is if consumers back it. I say this to say that many people are commenting how bad these things are but support it by watching….even the comments in here are based on someone actually “TUNING IN” as I so eloquently heard it stated…..by tuning in you are actually secretly as it may seem supporting.. Just my two cents worth

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 15th, 2010
12:19 pm

@Penguinmom….My problem with the hypocrisy between sex and violence is that everyone seems to sit back and get uptight about the depictions of each. Apparently, showing good guys shooting bad guys or beating them in nice clean tidy transactions is ok. To me, that IS the disturbing part. When someone gets shot, or stabbed, or beaten viciously, it’s a messy scene and isn’t over the second the weapon hits. I think that depiction really anesthestizes youth to the serious awful ramifications of weapons and violence and doesn’t accurately depict acts of violence. Quite the opposite, it glorifies it as an act between good and evil.

However, just like this complaint today from TWG, the depiction of sex as anything other than an ultimate act of love and respect is deemed to be detrimental to society and sending a bad message to our youth. But the funny part is this, look around you and at the TV shows parents are watching (Desperate Housewives, soap operas, Grey’s Anatomy), and the sex is pretty much being portrayed in a way this is accurate to how the adult population of the US is acting. Without concerns for love and respect.

So maybe that’s the real problem. We watch MTV and we realize that behaviour is closer to reality that we are comfortable with, and we really want our entertainment to have nothing to do with reality.

Ask yourselves this, if somehow your 7-8 year old got ahold of the remote control someday without you around and had access to the full range of TV programming, would you rather you walked in on him or her watching the MTV music awards or the opening sequence to “Saving Private Ryan” where they invaded Normandy?

Amy

June 15th, 2010
12:25 pm

I had to laugh at this post because it rang so true for me. I used to watch MTV during my high school/college days, but haven’t watched in a while. I decided to flip over to the MTV movie awards, mainly because they were premiering the Harry Potter trailer. Anyway, after about 15 minutes I muted the sound and waited for the trailer. As soon as they aired it, I tuned out.

I told my mom the next day “either I am getting old or MTV has just gone way over the top with its crudeness” I guess its a little bit of both, huh??

It is disturbing to think teens and tweens are watching this crap, but it is not all MTV’s fault. Like so many have stated here, if parents don’t want their kids exposed to this type of material, they need to monitor what comes into their household. It’s not up to MTV to police your children. If you don’t like it, do what I plan on doing…don’t watch!

David S

June 15th, 2010
12:30 pm

You are finally noticing the problem with MTV? This channel has been worthless since they decided to stop showing videos and start showing porn-reality. Sad that they now own CMT and will likely be doing the same.

Wounded Warrior

June 15th, 2010
12:31 pm

stopped watching mtv when they stopped showing videos and TRL, and I am in my 30s with two daughters.

Bob

June 15th, 2010
12:32 pm

MTV has been degenerate from its inception, so where’s the news? Why do you have it on at all? Are you trying to find ways to destroy your children?

Immorality and sleaze are not signs of progress, but are as old-fashioned as Sodom and Gomorrah. Progress involves moral progress. Be progressive.

Darvis

June 15th, 2010
12:39 pm

Yes, yes, of course MTV has gone to far. Get rid of all this Rap nonsense and play some Slim Whitman and maybe ABBA.

Eddie Cochran

June 15th, 2010
12:55 pm

You’re foolish if you think MTV is anything more than porn for teenagers. Having one’s explitives beeped is actually “cooler” than dropping F-bombs. You want to know how I solved the problem? I got rid of cable. No TV in our house. We watch an occassional DVD, otherwise my 10 year-old reads, writes, rides a bike or plays baseball with other kids. I was at a friend’s home this weekend and her daughter was watching the endless loop of the Awards show, and I was amused when some foul-mouth loser started chanting “F**K BP!” Yeah, and F**K YOU for driving a “tricked out” Escalade, or Hummer, and trucking your stage accross the country in a wagon train of semis. MTV is to teenagers what the Disney Channel is to toddlers. The question you should ask is, have you gone too far in allowing your children to be exposed to such crap.

joe

June 15th, 2010
1:00 pm

Most everything Hollywood-related is pure trash and definitely inappropriate for kids. But then again, the agenda Hollywood pushes is exactly what most Americans find offensive, but watch anyway…kinda like sneaking a peak at the accident while driving home.

Patrick

June 15th, 2010
1:13 pm

It doesn’t surprise me at all. MTV had been going downhill since they started introducing “original” programming back in the early to mid-90s, with Beavis and Butthead and other similar dreck. I was right at the target audience level when the show aired, and I hated it. I loved watching MTV when it was just music videos. Their game show “Remote Control” was pretty good, but otherwise any “original programming” was garbage. The only thing they’ve had recently that was even remotely entertaining was the TV show “Pimp My Ride”. While the show had no real entertainment value, it was still interesting to watch those guy put all sorts of stuff in the vehicles you couldn’t even *dream* of putting in a vehicle. I think the most amazing thing they’d done was put a pool table in the bed of one pickup truck, and have the bed of another pickup raise up at a 90º angle, with several monitors mounted behind a sheet a plexiglass.

I agree with what others have said. Sex, violence, and foul language is everywhere. Sexual innuendo has even made it into commercials that would be shown at times when the entire family is watching. Take a look at the Axe product commercials. Another one that sticks in my mind is the commercial for a razor blade where anything that comes into contact with the man’s face instantly turns into a splash of water, including when a scantily-clad woman, in a highly suggestive pose on the bed, hits him with a pillow.

A pointless column

June 15th, 2010
1:15 pm

Interesting, a few weeks ago the topic was about John cheating and Kate…. Now it’s about MTV and porn.

Momania needs to focus less on what’s on her flat screen and be………..a mom.

JJ

June 15th, 2010
1:18 pm

It’s not just MTV – TV has a whole is fairly trashy.

Where else but the good old USA can someone crash a Whitehouse State Dinner, and then get her own TV show…….unbelievable.

The Truth Hurts

June 15th, 2010
1:25 pm

MTV is a joke. They have sold their soul to make money and it’s pretty obvious. The only people that watch MTV are uninformed people who don’t have a clue. I bet you that most of MTV’s viewers are Obama supporters.

Doug

June 15th, 2010
1:32 pm

MTV isn’t about music; it’s about trash culture. Jersey Shore, the mostly-staged awards shows, 16 and Pregnant…MTV is fast food entertainment. Any decent parent should limit their teens’ viewing of the channel, not because of language or sex, but because of the lack of intelligence behind it all. I’d rather have my kid watch Californication or The Tudors and at least get a dose of smart and deliberate adult programming.

JJ

June 15th, 2010
1:36 pm

If you limit your child’s tv viewing, keep in mind they can watch it somewhere else. Forbidding something makes all that much more alluring. Trust me, if it’s banned in your home, they will find it somewhere else.

MamaS

June 15th, 2010
1:37 pm

MTV is blocked on my TV. I don’t fill my child’s stomach with dirt and filth and I won’t let his mind be filled with it either. I am waiting for the day when we can choose which channels we get, instead of having to accept “packages”. Many of these networks and stations will disappear.

jlc

June 15th, 2010
1:39 pm

WOW! Just watched that Christina performance. Kiss on my ? That is awesome! I would totally! However I wouldn’t let my daughter watch that.

Joel

June 15th, 2010
1:45 pm

Welcome to the liberalization of America. Some call it progression, but there’s nothing progressive about it. I locked MTV off my cable two years ago when my kids were 5 and 3 so if it ever comes up, we just dont get that channel. Filth and sluttiness sells while the government and ACLU stand by so no ones right to free speech is violated. Meanwhile our children are brainwashed to think its okay for a 2 year old to smoke and for 10 year olds to have sex in class. Again, I thank all the liberals out there.

catlady

June 15th, 2010
1:57 pm

I must be a card carrying member of oldladiesville because i have never approved of MTV and would never allow my kids to watch it, either. It has always seemed so crass to me.

Stan

June 15th, 2010
1:58 pm

MTV hasn’t contained appropriate programming for teenagers or younger for years! Heck, as a Christian, most of their programming isn’t appropriate for me, and I’m a 50-year old adult! Sadly, this is another example of Hollywood not just merely reflecting society’s values, but helping to change society’s values (for the worse), due to their position of influence with teenagers. (And the MTV executives know that.) I have 2 teenagers, and trust me, their age group absolutely pays attention to what is shown and said on that cesspool of a network. Any parent who allows their kids to watch most of the programming on MTV ought to turn in their parent card! Shame on them!

Cammi317

June 15th, 2010
2:01 pm

The MAIN reasons I dropped paid tv and switched to Netflix was because of MTV, BET and VH1. I do not want my daughter watching that crap, at least not at home. At friends homes, I am aware that she sees it from time to time. Those channels went too far very long ago and never came back. Reality TV has become the most raunchy thing on cable. I was already teetering on dropping because that dumb Flava of Love, I love New York and other garbage, but that Tila Tequila crap a couple of years back was the straw that broke the camel’s back. I can’t believe the question was even asked…..

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catlady

June 15th, 2010
2:12 pm

You mean it isn’t music videos anymore? The last (only) thing I watched was M Jackson moonwalking.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 15th, 2010
2:13 pm

I wholeheartedly agree that the glorification of sex without consequences or responsibility is a not exactly the message we shoudl be sending to kids. But there is an awful lot of porn out there being supported by a good portion of adult society, and not all of them are in their basesments dressed in their grandma’s panties and smearing peanut butter on themselves. I would submit a lot of them are respectable members of society, your neighbors, people you view as role models and respect, heck there might even be one or two bloggers here who has *GASP* rented or viewed a pornographic movie, or read some erotica.

So what is the issue here…cuz I’m getting the vibe from some on this group is that outside of loving, pro-creative sex in a committed relationship, sex shouldn’t be discussed or promoted to kids, or adults for that matter. If you have a naughty side or proclivity that extends beyond missionary, sweet, romantic sex, then you need to keep that behind closed doors. And since 16 year olds don’t have any rights to privacy, they shouldn’t be subjected to anything other than Ward and June sleeping in separate beds. Let’s leave the naughty stuff to us adults.

Seems to me that rather than throwing the TV and computer out the window, shows like the MTV Music Awards and programming content that is on display can be turned around into excellent teaching opportunities that we can provide to our children and even better learning opportunities to see how they decipher those displays. Of course that would require talking to our children about some pretty uncomfortable topics, so I guess I can see how it’s just easier to throw the TV away.

BlondeHoney

June 15th, 2010
2:20 pm

Tiger, i am with you 1000%.

Young@heart

June 15th, 2010
2:22 pm

35 today is not the same as 35 …20 years ago …. I liked the awards becasue I like movies.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 15th, 2010
2:24 pm

@blondehoney…careful making that public, I have a feeling we’re going to be in the minority on this one!

JATL

June 15th, 2010
2:37 pm

@Tiger and Blondehoney -I’m with you too! I think it’s sad that MTV isn’t a bunch of music videos anymore, but I wouldn’t be up in arms about a 16 year old watching it. Now a 10 year old or 12 year old -yes. BUT -I believe in discussing things with my kids and I plan to continue that -even when it’s sexual in nature. As to adults -don’t you DARE try to take away my “adult” programming -and I’m not even talking porn -but you would be surprised at the busybodies who think shows like “Breaking Bad” shouldn’t be shown because some kid may get ahold of the remote (if you watch that show -it may not be a bad thing -talk about many teachable moments…) -anyway -as I said before -CONTROL what your kids watch! I can’t imagine just getting rid of tv and computers all-together.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 15th, 2010
2:41 pm

and really…when comparing the sexual inferences and depictions on MTV with porn…there’s really no comparison. MTV is not porn..neither is anything else on basic non premium channel cable.

Don’t believe me…compare anything on cable to movies like:

Shaving Private Ryan
Romancing the Bone
Sorest Rump
Saturday Night Beaver
Buffy the Vampire Layer
Six Degress of Penetration
On Golden Blonde
Pulp Friction

I think you’ll find that those are porn…and MTV is just lacking in taste, intelligence, and any kind of socially relevant message.

uconn

June 15th, 2010
2:48 pm

Tiger, Blondehoney … I am with you as well…. Geeeezzz… Just because you are an age whether it be 20,30…even 60, doesn’t mean you can’t be ineterested in something. My mom just turned 60 last Friday and was asking me about some show and I had no clue… She dances to hip hop and generally has an all around good time. If you think you should act old because of a number, well then I feel sorry for you. You still have to have respect and be polite but why if I am over 35 can’t do what I want???

Also, I think George Carlin said “I would rather have my children watch a movie with 2 people having sex, then 2 people trying to kill one another” … Seems we’re A-OK with the violence, but the sex? Surely no!

Becky

June 15th, 2010
2:54 pm

“Make love, not war”

BlondeHoney

June 15th, 2010
4:03 pm

Amen Tiger…MTV is not porn; anyone that thinks so hasn’t seen porn in YEARS if ever. Not porn; sophmorish and juvenile, sure. I’m with you JATL, anything you don’t like,vote with your remote and don’t watch, simple as that. But don’t take away what like just because you don’t approve. An uconn, your mom reminds me of mine…too funny :)

Photius

June 15th, 2010
4:03 pm

When Walsh turns age 11 or 12 he and his buddies will start searching through each others home when the parents are away. Perhaps they will find Dad’s Penthouse magazine collection? I know we did! At around age 15 or 16 we saw our first porn movie on tape – guess what parents, it didn’t warp us into degenerates! Hey, a lot of girls in high school watched Ron Jeremy at a party as well! Guess what – they grew up to be normal 40 year old mothers who are shocked at MTV! You can fight it, but bottom line if you have a boy they will all be drawn to the porn and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Testosterone is a tremendous motivator.

srh

June 15th, 2010
4:11 pm

I know I am in the minority, but I thought the swearing was a little funny, much like a Judd Apatow movie. A little excessive, but some of the comedy was quite good. Tom Cruise was hilarious in that role of the sleazy film guy. MTV has also won quite a few awards for documentaries like the Real Life series. Some of the topics in this series show valuable lesson for young people. 16 and Pregnant is also a good show for young people to see. For any girl that thought it was glamorous to be young and pregnant, this show will change their minds. I was there for the beginning of MTV as well, and while I rarely watch it, I do like the Real Life and the 16 and Pregnant shows, oh, and I did watch the Jersey Shore maraton and laughed my azz off!

Billy

June 15th, 2010
4:46 pm

I agree that MTV has gone way to far. It was raunchy and vulgur. I turned the channel. There was nothing entertaining about that award show.

FCM

June 15th, 2010
5:15 pm

My thought is this…your 30 something—why are you watching MTV????? There is far better ways to find out the information…like the next day on the net…without having to watch the show.

G.R.I.T.S.

June 15th, 2010
5:50 pm

mtv is not porn..you are right…it is just needless trash…and really as many have said a lot of shows are like this,…and its because the majority of people want it that way. shows that dont make money for the company dont make it…i remember years ago the first time i watched roseann i was appalled at the way the parent and kids talked to each other….and i wouldnt let my son (a young teen at the time) watch it. kids live what they learn and see….whether its from home…school or tv…i just can think of many things id rather do and have my kids do than watch crap like that….my kids are more or less all grown now…last one is just turned 18 and they can watch what they want….my son loved the comedy channel and that is one of the most vulgar channels i have ever heard…im glad to have the tv off…i dont miss it and probably will never have it again….for the couple of shows i like its not worth paying so much….

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 15th, 2010
6:25 pm

I’m not sure how I can throw out the TV because of all the filth on it when I count The Hangover as one of my favorite films of all time. Like I said, I think I might just have to explain to my kid the nature of responsible sex and behavior as well as the virtues and vices of parody. Oh…and monitor his behavior and correct it as necessary. Call me crazy, but I think I can be a bigger influence on my kid than the TV ever could be….as long as I’m taking an active role in his life, which is what I practice.

@Photius…I have a feeling that we’re getting to stuff even more personal than just the magazine collection of dad’s. With the growing acceptance of battery powered therapeutic devices and parents whose are stashing them in their nightstands without locks and digital photography for mom and dad’s personal collection not hidden well enough on the pc, we’re talking bigger shocks for the kiddos than just pictures of anonymous women from far away lands that are totally unattainable.

It’s one thing to see a mag of another woman in a professional studio…it’s another to come across a pic of mom posing for dad one day and the next finding out that the “back massager” in her nightstand hasn’t been used on her back for years!

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 15th, 2010
6:28 pm

@Photius….”When Walsh turns age 11 or 12 he and his buddies will start searching through each others home when the parents are away. Perhaps they will find Dad’s Penthouse magazine collection?”

you KNOW there’s not a Penthouse in Theresa’s house! Good luck finding one at your buddies Walsh!

catlady

June 15th, 2010
8:20 pm

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penguinmom

June 15th, 2010
10:14 pm

@Tiger – per your question about my 7yr old watching MTV or Saving Private Ryan… I have to say I wouldn’t be happy with either but would much, much rather catch him watching Saving Private Ryan than MTV. Private Ryan is based on historical events and shows violence in the context of war. Violence isn’t a good thing but if he learns that violence is sometimes necessary to stop an evil regime then that’s fine. If he grows up looking up to soldiers as heroes that’s fine also. On the other MTV is just about a bunch of spoiled rich brats who are held up as being something important when they are really not. It is filled with unnecessary gratuitous sex, swearing and self-promotion. None of those are things I want my child to learn.

In our house, we don’t watch soaps or other shows (like Desperate Housewives) that promote a casual view of sex. Yes, some of the shows we watch occasionally have an unmarried couple in bed together. Those aren’t ones my kids are allowed to watch with us though. They all know the meaning of the word ‘inappropriate’ and accept that anything deemed inappropriate isn’t going to be watched by the non-adult members of the household.

I think the main thing here is that parents need to be more aware and proactive in censoring what comes into their house. While I would dearly love to see MTV go away completely, I don’t expect it to happen anytime soon so the best a parent can do is: be aware; educate your child; and know your child’s friends.

uconn

June 15th, 2010
10:48 pm

How about you don’t watch what you don’t like and stop forcing your particular ideals on everybody else??

JJ

June 16th, 2010
7:45 am

PenguinMom – I’m sorry, but I do NOT agree with censoring what comes into the home. I don’t believe in censoring at all. I myself see nothing wrong with an unmarried couple in bed together on tv, as that is pretty much the norm now. I myself lived with my now ex husband for two years before we married.

Like I said, I don’t believe in censoring. I believe in open discussions, age appropriate, of course. I’ve never censored anything from my daughter. I’ve always had an “Open door” policy at my house.

JJ - you mean...

June 16th, 2010
8:46 am

…you had a 2 year try out and still did not realize you had a scum bag?

Joel

June 16th, 2010
9:04 am

The comment by JJ pretty much sums up whats wrong with the world today…”it’s pretty much the norm now”. I find it laughable that America has so lost its moral compass on the premise of ‘its pretty much the norm’ or ‘everyone else is doing it’. From taking weed breaks in middle school to having sex on the bus, from ABC forcing gayness down our throats on every show to TLC making a mockery out of a family of 10. Hollywood and liberal groups such as the ACLU have DESTORYED our morality to the point that its all just normal now. At this rate in a decade, I’m sure we’ll all think its normal to sleep with animals and kill each other at will.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 16th, 2010
10:20 am

@Joel….how exactly is ABC forcing gayness down anyone’s throat? By acknowledging homosexuality and having programming that has story lines including gay relationships when there are no less than 130 other channels, including quite a few christian dedicated channels to choose from? I wouldn’t say in todays world that ABC exactly has a monopoly on the TV audience. Would you feel I have a legitimate argument if I said “from TBN forcing Christianity down our throats”?

Becky

June 16th, 2010
10:53 am

@JJ-you mean..We’ve been there before..Yes JJ made a mistake..Not everyone is a scum bag from the start of a relationship..Glad to know that you have never made a mistake, so now can we go on to something else?

ATL06

June 16th, 2010
11:36 am

Tiger I loved The Hangover I do not think that they need a sequel. I also loved Super Bad absolutely hilarious.

Tiger Ochocinco Mellencamp

June 16th, 2010
11:47 am

@ATL06…lets not forget “forgetting sarah marshall”, “the 40 year old virgin”, and “role models” either. I’m so glad these guys started making R-rated comedies again! If I had to watch another film like “Mrs. Doubtfire” be praised for it’s humor I was going to puke.

I still need to see “get him to the greek”.

ATL06

June 16th, 2010
11:53 am

Forgetting Sarah Marshall was pretty good too so I can’t wait to see Get him to the Greek. I think I’ll see it this weekend.

JJ

June 16th, 2010
12:12 pm

Thank you Becky!!!

FCM

June 16th, 2010
1:16 pm

@ JJ I believe in censoring, I use the same method JATL suggested. I censor what can be watched by changing the channel. I censor it by putting a parental block on the “spare” tv in the den. I censor it by refusing to purchase the “tie in” products of tv shows with which I do not agree.

@Joel–ABC is not forcing a lifestyle down your throat. They have been the most progressive of the “majors” to have that lifestyle on regular programming. What if your little Billy or Sally sees to same genders in Mid-Town holding hands? You going to pretend that isn’t real? That those folks are not real people with feelings and a right to live free of fear of physical harm?

I think a few folks on here need to go back and revist “Free to Be You and Me” and I am not a Steinem Feminist either. In fact I disagree with most of what she says. I do agree though that we should not be limited to a single sterotype existance.

angelhappy

June 25th, 2010
2:21 am

I am in the 30 something crowd and I remember back in the 80’s when MTV was just that: Music Television! Nowadays they should change their name to METV(Music Entertainment Television because there are hardly any music television. Just stupid nonsense shows with stupid award show with out of control rappers and singers acting like fools. I stopped watching many years ago.

www.honeyfern.org

July 5th, 2010
9:51 am

I couldn’t watch it with my 10-year-old; she looked at me after about 15 minutes and said, “I am pretty sure I am not allowed to watch this!”

S

July 12th, 2010
2:16 pm

I don’t like MTV shows: “Real World”, “I am Pregant and 16″ and “The Hard Times of RJ Berger”. Why? Overgloryfing sex. I am not surprised with the connection between teenage pregnancy and MTV or other tv shows.

Now, about penis… for the show, “The Hard Times of RJ Berger” are subconsicously squashing general male population that big penis is better and/or saying it is a freakshow. Big penis is not always better, boys and girls! Big penis can’t be rock hard just like the average penis. Believe me, I have been there and done it.