Babies in bikinis; sexy 7-year-olds dancing to ‘Single Ladies’: Which of these is age-appropriate or neither?

Yesterday morning I ran across a blog asking if babies in bikinis were cute or icky? Strollerderby found the original conversation on Café Mom where the moms were pretty evenly divided on the topic. Here’s a sample of the conversation.

From Strollerderby:

“What’s interesting to me is how the debate is framed from such vastly different perspectives. For some moms, it’s an issue of modesty and for others, it’s a question of the sexualization of girls. A few moms expressed concern about sexual predators, and others said that bikinis should be reserved for grown-up women.”

“The majority of moms who weighed in seemed to think it was “no big deal,” but several voiced strong opposition.

“ ‘The point of the bikini being created was to show off as much body as possible including boobs and butt, hips, etc… the parts men find sexy. Bikinis are lingerie that have been accepted to be worn in public. Why would anyone put publicly accepted sex attire on a child?’ wrote one mom.”

I sort of chuckled at the discussion. I don’t really have a problem with a baby in a bikini as long it isn’t a thong or have padded cups – a la the bikini marketed to tweens with padded cups.

I usually get my girls tankinis – which cover a little bit more than a true bikini – because it’s just so much easier to go to the bathroom (or change a swim diaper) in a two-piece suit.

But I digress.

Later in the day I ran across another blog with something a bit more shocking than the babies in bikinis.

The Huffington Post picked up a You Tube video of girls identified as  7-year-olds not only dressed scantily but dancing fairly suggestively to Beyonce’s “All The Single Ladies.”

Now they are good dancers. I am amazed by their dancing.

However, I don’t think that some of the moves they are doing (some of the straight legs bends or should/chest shaking) were really appropriate dance moves for their age. Especially not in red and black “bikini” tops and hot pants.

So what do you think about the video? Is there a line crossed here? Could this be made right if they weren’t dancing as suggestively or they had on more clothes?

What do you think about the babies in bikinis? Anything wrong going on there?

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235 comments Add your comment

crass realist

May 13th, 2010
12:09 pm

I hold up two horrible examples of society run amok: Lindsey and Dina Lohan. Dina Lohan sexualized her daughter at a very young age and now lives vicariously through (and with) her. I think it is deplorable what has happened to our young girls…

stephen ball

May 13th, 2010
12:11 pm

I am a 63 year old dance teacher and have b een teaching for 40 years…I say “No” to all two piece costumes and suggestive moves of any kind…my students consistently win national dance competitions and even my l8 years olds never dance in such suggestive manners. It is time that national dance competitions take a stand and disqualify any number that has children dancing in such a way.

JJ

May 13th, 2010
12:17 pm

Can you say Denial?

motherjanegoose

May 13th, 2010
12:23 pm

Hoorah stephen, you are the voice of reason….there is such a thing as classy dance. I am curious as to why ( you think) adults seem to encourage this type of thing in their children.

Often, kids will do anything for parental approval….they are not mature enough to sort things out themselves. Unfortunately, some adults ask children to do things that are simply not right and is even illegal. Where do kids draw the line?

motherjanegoose

May 13th, 2010
12:24 pm

ooops…things that are simply not right and may even be illegal.

Porn for Pedophiles

May 13th, 2010
12:36 pm

You know what comes to mind when I watch this????? JonBenét Ramsey . I mean that happen in 1996 so I guess it’s lost to many new parents. Go take a child abuse investigate class at your local community college and it will open your eyes. This is porn for pedophiles. I know we can’t keep are kids locked up and there are great positive things from dance competitions and other competitions for kids BUT show casing them as little adults is not a good thing. CLEARLY these girls are great dancers…..but gyrating and the skimpy costume is……WAY inappropriate. AND to me it doesn’t matter if they are 7 or 9. If one of them was abducted these parents would be reevaluating their parenting style. I took a one credit class to purely keep my scholarship in college and it was best class I ever took and it was before JonBenét Ramsey. It was child abuse investigating and it really opens your eyes to child predator.As a parent you have to be EVEN more vigilant today because of the Internet . Sexual repressed I am not…..overly religion I am not. I’m very open mined and liberal but to me puts these kids in the target for child predators!

katgil

May 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

I have 3 daughters who all dance.(ages 8,10,and 12). Their company teaches dance as a art form. Yes, they go to one competition a year but they never so much as show their stomachs or shake it on stage. Those who teach these children to move like this are not really teaching dance. Our girls are always shocked to see other groups who perform this way and the parents are always thankful for our dance studio!

Porn for Pedophiles

May 13th, 2010
12:37 pm

THANK YOU stephen ball !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jd

May 13th, 2010
12:39 pm

FCM- I generally agree with a lot that you have to say but the remark about mom’s not wearing bikini’s after children was just too much. I’m 45, have 3 children, size 2 and look better than most 20-30 something’s in a bikini. A remark that broad aimed at ALL mother’s is wrong. Just because you can’t wear one after your children, don’t dish those of us that can okay.

The Reader

May 13th, 2010
12:40 pm

How sickening! First class child abuse. Same with that TV show “tiaras”. etc. These idiotic mothers have no clue about what is right/wrong. Unfortunately, they see their kids becoming great models, and making lot of money, so let’s start early. And here we go again. Here, in US it does not matter HOW the money is made. Sale of violent computer games, fast food junk that’s killing people, guns, stupid TV shows. Does not matter – it’s business, brings money, more money to Uncle Sam to waste elsewhere, instead of investing in here…

motherjanegoose

May 13th, 2010
12:44 pm

HB…lots of assumptions being tossed around today… I guess you have noticed….:)

KJ

May 13th, 2010
12:45 pm

LOL @ all the “pedophile” references, as if people are going to watch this video and magically morph into child predators. Better update the sex offender registry to include anyone who has youtube access.

JATL

May 13th, 2010
12:47 pm

@jd -I agree. While I don’t look good in a bikini right now, I know I could again especially with the tummy tuck I want! You better believe if I get to have my tummy tuck/”mom special” w/ a breast lift -I’m going to show off the results! And I have to say, there are some moms at our neighborhood pool who have one or two kids, and they look SPECTACULAR in their bikinis -literally -kill-worthy looking! I fear they may be in danger from other moms! There’s not one stretch mark and their tummies are super-flat and toned. Why shouldn’t they wear one?

stephen ball

May 13th, 2010
12:57 pm

I have been asked why I think parents allow this..and I have to say I honestly think it is allowed because that is what is winning a lot of comptitions in dance these days. Katgil please thank your children’s dance teacher for me..I am glad to know that there is one more out there who feels the way I do.

jd

May 13th, 2010
12:58 pm

JATL- thank you, my point exactly. I live on the lake and see many mom’s that should not even think of the word bikini but in the same scene I see some great looking mom’s that can flaunt it with the best. A good friend of mine is 54 and looks about 35 in hers. I’m just hoping I can still look that good in mine at that age. On topic….NO….these children should not be dressing and moving like that. I saw a documentary recently on pedifiles and several of them said they started with the coppertone baby pictures. Our minds don’t understand it but they’re out there.

motherjanegoose

May 13th, 2010
1:04 pm

JATL…glad I do not live in your neighborhood. We have real moms in real swimsuits here and it is not eye candy. Some Moms really do look great but we are not having a competition, as far as I can tell. I have never worn a bikini ( even when I would have looked good in one) and certainly never will ( that is just me) . I always tell me clients, ” I know I was not hired for what I look like…I try to look nice but the information I can share is always more important…” Perhaps not on this blog ( LOL) but for those who actually pay for my opinion.

KoolAid House

May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

Hello, motherjanegoose!

JATL

May 13th, 2010
1:15 pm

@MJG -who is having a competition? I’m sure other moms at the pool have looked at those moms just like I have, with a little green-eyed envy, but it’s not like they’re ostracized or anything dumb like that. We are grownups -not high schoolers. We’re all primarily there though to enjoy the pool with our kids. There’s certainly no competition. We have plenty of “real” moms in “real” swimsuits at our pool -and I’m one of them (thank you Land’s End for skirtinis!). Not sure why women in bikinis can’t be “real moms” or why bikinis aren’t “real swimsuits” though… I’m sure when some of those bikini-clad moms are on their 5th mile of jogging and pushing a 60 lb + jogging stroller full of kids, they feel like real moms!

KoolAid House

May 13th, 2010
1:16 pm

BTW, thank you Stephen. My child also dances, jazz, tap, balet, lyrical and hip hop. None of the troups costumes are revealing nor suggestive. They are nice and kid oriented. No reason for a child to come to the stage wearing boyshorts…no reason whatsoever!!

Dacula Nana

May 13th, 2010
1:19 pm

I’m reminded of an episode of “Sex and the City”, where Samantha is running the bas mitzvah for a 13-year old and her friends. These girls look and act as though they are in their 20s, and even the sexually liberated Samantha has trouble coping with them. In the end, Carrie says Samantha realized she had something these girls never had – a childhood. You are only 7 (or 8 or 9) once. You can never go back and be a kid again! There will be plenty of time for them to behave as adults when they are adults.

It is possible to choreograph dance routines for young girls that show off their dance talent without showing off their imaginary assets. I’ve attended many dance recitals that my nieces were in, and their teacher/choreographer always found something modern yet sweet for the ones in the single digits to dance to, and never put in such bump and grind moves as we see in this video. Even as teens doing hip hip, the moves were not terribly suggestive and neither were the outfits. Their dad would have stormed the stage and dragged them off if it had been otherwise! Neither he nor my sister-in-law are religious, and they are quite liberal politically, but they both firmly believed in teaching their daughters to respect themselves, and to find value in their intellect, talents, and personalities and not just their looks (and for the record, all three girls are quite stunning). Two are now in college and one in high school, and they would be absolutely shocked at this video.

KoolAid House

May 13th, 2010
1:21 pm

It is possible to choreograph dance routines for young girls that show off their dance talent without showing off their imaginary assets.

SLAM DUNK. Everybody can go home now!!!

Sounds like JATL...

May 13th, 2010
1:32 pm

…might be in the closet with all her “mom love” to the other flat belly moms. And, I, too, live on the lake, and have NEVER seen a 55 year old that looks like she could be “35″. Quite a bit of exxageration going on here today….

G.R.I.T.S.

May 13th, 2010
1:40 pm

@theresa…i would definately take this video off here…just wait til later or tomorrow and see how many hits this page has…this video is a pedophiles dream ( i would imagine) these kids are great dancers…the costume is horrible for the age group and so are a lot of the moves these kids are making…shaking their non existant breasts…and as someone else mentioned…all they needed was a pole…what are these parents thinking?? and yes it made me think of jon benet ramsey too….parents need to stop flaunting their kids like this. you can blame the choreographer all you want…but its the parents who are ultimately responsible. and yes-the dance schools do teach these things-here in my rural community the school has a talent show each year….one year one girl did a solo dance-she had been taking dance lessons for years and really was amazing..but she was 13..and her dance would have made professional strippers green with envy–half of the audience walked out of the show…and her parents were sitting there beaming proudly….all this just makes me sick…

Name (required)

May 13th, 2010
1:43 pm

@ Sounds like JATL… – I guess you weren’t in the right part of the lake to see the 55 year old.

Just because you haven’t seen the woman, doesn’t mean there isn’t one.

Roswell Jeff

May 13th, 2010
1:49 pm

G.R.I.T.S. – What do you hope to accomplish by having the video removed from the blog? Pedophiles find there jollies all over the net. Having it here on the blog is not going to stop them.

I didn’t even bother watching the clip. Judging by the comments, I don’t want to see it. Someone needs to see it though – someone needs to know what kind of garbage they are teaching these young girls.

G.R.I.T.S.

May 13th, 2010
1:54 pm

and as for ‘where are the fathers’ question…..my daughters would never be allowed to do anything like this and i sure dont need their fathers to help me make that decision!~

jd

May 13th, 2010
1:55 pm

Sounds like JATL – maybe that’s because you never guessed her age…or you live on the wrong lake.

JATL

May 13th, 2010
1:56 pm

@Sounds like JATL -nope, not in the closet -tried it in college, but it wasn’t for me -if it had been I would be openly gay and proud! I think it’s sad though that you think just because someone admires the way a person of the same sex looks, then they must be “in the closet.” Instead of “Sounds like JATL” why don’t you call yourself, “Sounds like a 14 year old”?

G.R.I.T.S.

May 13th, 2010
2:08 pm

@roswell jess..i guess i just dont want them here lol..i know these things are everywhere…but i just hate when trolls start taking over here…

i also asked the opinion of my 18 yo daughter and her 20 yo bf…they were both disgusted…..so its not just us ‘old fogies’ that think this isnt good…

G.R.I.T.S.

May 13th, 2010
2:10 pm

oops i meant roswell jeff lol..finger malfunction here

motherjanegoose

May 13th, 2010
2:15 pm

@ JATL….I certainly did not mean to offend you.

When I say real moms I mean the same as real women with real bodies….kind of like the difference between the models on the runway ( sp?) and the folks who live next door ( to me): a size 4 or a size 10/12/14…whatever. I really do not look at other women with a little green eyed envy because they born with a “perfect” body or they had the money to acquire one through plastic surgery. If they are happy…good …it is just not my thing. Perhaps I am the only one….who knows?

From birth to 18 a girl needs good parents. From 18 to 35, she needs good looks. From 35 to 55, good personality. From 55 on, she needs good cash…Sophie Tucker

motherjanegoose

May 13th, 2010
2:19 pm

this is funny too:

She got her looks from her father. He’s a plastic surgeon.
Groucho Marx

Roswell Jeff

May 13th, 2010
2:38 pm

G.R.I.T.S. – I’ve been called worse! :) My sister’s name is Jess(ica). I remember my grandfather doing roll call with us… I was called Jess, quite a few times. lol

dance gal

May 13th, 2010
2:43 pm

i think that babies in bikinies are ok its not bad cuz they dont have anything to flaunt so just let them were them while there young and i also think thattheres nothing wrong with dancing and showing off how good you are although they might be shaking a little too much its not there fault i was a dancer and still am and we wore outfits like that when i was 5 and we danced its not bad, they have nothing to flaunt either so i dont think its fair that you guys are calling the girls sluts and hoochies its the directors fault for teaching that to the girls

Michelle

May 13th, 2010
2:53 pm

@ JD & JATL, I think what FCM was trying to say (sorry if I’m wrong FCM) was that a mother, we would hope to instill modesty and self worth in our children, especially the girls. If we are wearing bikini’s and encouraging them as well, then maybe we are asking folks to look at only our “bodies” instead of the rest of what we can offer. Sometimes it is hard for others to look past that and respect the person!

That being said, I used to wear bikinis (back in the day) and would likely wear them now if I could! Honestly, I would likely wear a tankini versus the traditional one because of the ability it would allow me to actually do things with my kids without risking embarrassing me or them! :o) I say this because of the moms at the pool who has a nice figure and wears a bikini was “goofing” around and she didn’t realize that one of the “girls” popped out! Let’s just say none of the teenaged boys or husbands around the pool said anything!

Stephan Ball and the other dance instructors like him who teach the young kids…thank you for not teaching the adult moves! Trust me, they’ll learn them all on their own soon enough!

Porn for Pedophiles

May 13th, 2010
3:02 pm

that was quick. Ask a you shall recieve. Let it be gone!!!!!! I want a millon bucks…….waiting…….waiting……waiting……How long does it take after you ask???????

BTW I don’t see the vedio any more…..is it me or is it gone?????

jd

May 13th, 2010
3:05 pm

That’s fine IF that was her intention but her post said no mom, should wear them….tis the only reason for my post. And my girls are 18 & 16 respectively, and they both said they don’t see anything wrong with it as long as your junks not hanging out….straight from the mouths of teens haha

Monica

May 13th, 2010
3:12 pm

I’d love to know two things with regard to the video:

1) If this were a competition, what did they score?

2)How does Beyonce feel about this dance routine for little girls?

motherjanegoose

May 13th, 2010
3:20 pm

@dancegal…you really backed up the point about exactly what marketable talents many dancers do and do not possess. :0 Thanks for clearing things up.

@ Michelle… your first paragraph is what I was thinking too!

lakerat

May 13th, 2010
3:29 pm

That “55 year old” on the lake is really 57, and has a twin sister who lives in Dallas, TX that looks just as good…I went to high school with them. They also have a 55 year old sister who, too, looks just as good, though she does not live on the lake. So, yes, those bodies do exist!

Becky

May 13th, 2010
3:38 pm

I don’t really care for some of the moves that the girls are making, but the outfits are ok..Only for a dance routine..One thing that I am confused about is everyone that says they won’t let their young daughters wear a 2 pc. swim suit..Why? Unless a mother is acting like a hoochie moma, I see no reason for a woman to wear a bikini around her daughters..I know a lady that is 62, has 2 granddaughters and a great granddaughter and (gasp) she wears a bikini..I would much rather them wear one at a young(er) age than 15-20(??) so that I can be there to monitor them..

Sarah

May 13th, 2010
4:17 pm

They are sort of faux bikini’s — really just short shorts with a bathing suit type top — and they are really fabulous dancers, pretty much in sync with each other and very good pirouettes. It looks to me that it is just show biz. The dance is a little suggestive with the shakes, etc. and maybe that could have been toned down a bit. When I was a child in dance we did a dance to Bali Hai from South Pacific in hula skirts and tops like that and wiggled our hips around in a somewhat suggestive hula type dance. That was in the 1950’s and no one complained about that show of early sexuality. I image those girls were just dancing and having a good time with it and did not even think about the fact that the original song and dance were suggestive in any way. Do seven year olds think about sex??? A good release of energy with an important life lesson on teamwork likely a lot of fun for them is how I perceive it.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

May 13th, 2010
5:43 pm

i’m pretty sure I’m disabling the video later tonight.

Angela

May 13th, 2010
6:53 pm

Am I the only one who thinks this is an open invitation to pediphiles, I mean come on, I’ve seen less suggestive moves and more clothes at a club and the parents are the only ones to blame. They have the say in what their child does or does not do. I work at an inner-city school and we work very hard to discourage this sort of behavior but our parent involvement is around 5%. This is awful and these poor little girls have no idea what they are doing.

Bri

May 13th, 2010
6:58 pm

These little girls have SO MUCH talent!! But this is really not the way to show case that talent. The outfits are MUCH to showy for a child!! And the dance moves are VERY sexual.

PTC MOM

May 13th, 2010
7:00 pm

Stephen Ball was my dance teacher 25 years ago, now he teaches my 15 year-old. He has always encouraged his girls to act like LADIES. When my daughter fell in love with dance, I knew she would be safe in his care, that he would not allow inappropriate costumes or dance moves. We do go to dance competitions all over the country and this type of dance is the rule, rather than the exception any more. I’m so thankful that my daughter has this kind of leadership in her life, now that she is almost grown up, that she is able to discern for herself what is right and wrong (but don’t think we don’t send her marching back upstairs if her dad and I don’t approve of her outfit!).

Isn’t that really our job as parents anyway, to give them wisdom and judgment to make the right decisions themselves? Seems to me that these little dancers will have a different perspective on that than my own little dancer.

Marci

May 13th, 2010
7:29 pm

Are you SERIOUS???

Get your HEAD out of your BUTT! Dance is dance ~ but this is smut! I have two daughters (one of them was in dance begining at this age) and she was CLASSICALLY TRAINED. This kind of exploitative display is only damaging to these girls and the ones viewing this…thinking this is something to aspire to. SHAME on these parents for NOT stepping up to change the choreography. THEY are the ones paying the teacher/instructor!
So much for women’s liberation.

Marci

May 13th, 2010
7:30 pm

(my comment was in response to the so-called father (or maybe the mother) who saw NOTHING wrong with this!

Marci

May 13th, 2010
7:38 pm

I am APPLAUDING Stephen Ball !

holly

May 13th, 2010
7:39 pm

not appropriate dance nor costumes for girls this age, what are their parents thinking. not good