Are you OK with Sunday activities for kids?

A friend recently asked on Facebook if anyone else had noticed a trend of kids’ activities being moved to Sundays.

We in fact have had two groups move many, if not all, of their meetings from weeknights to Sunday afternoons in the last two months.  Girls Scouts has moved entirely to Sunday afternoons. (The leader asked if it was OK and everyone said yes.) And Boy Scouts is still meeting some during their week but also some on Sundays as well. (They also asked if it was OK.)

I wouldn’t participate in any activity on Sunday that was during church hours in the morning.  I don’t mind the Sunday afternoon meetings too much. Since my husband is almost always home on Sundays I don’t have to drag all three children to the meetings. Also on Sundays he can help take their kids to the activities.

I hate having to rush through homework and dinner to do weeknight activities. So it has simplified our weeknights some.

My only objection is that sometimes it would be nice just to come from church and not have to go anywhere.

Do you see a trend toward Sunday games, meeting and activities for kids? If so, what do you think is spurring this trend?

How do you feel about Sunday activities? Does it make life simpler or cut into your weekends? Are you willing to meet on Sunday mornings? Would you mind Sunday afternoons?

189 comments Add your comment

Jane

February 16th, 2010
7:15 am

As long as it’s after 1:00 (so we can get home from church), I’m fine with it. It does make the week less stressful. However, many people still go to Sunday evening church which usually starts at 6:00. Alot of these activities run into that, so I’m sure that’s a problem for some folks.

Kate

February 16th, 2010
7:25 am

My children are too young for the types of activities mentioned, but I am okay with a meeting for myself or husband Sunday afternoon. No way Sunday AM. We go to a small church and Sun AM is the only option. Sun evening is not great but we would go along with that too. My dream would be for most places to shut down 1 day per week, Sunday I suppose, to give everyone a break from the world and time for family and friends. But I understand in this culture, and economy it would never happen. People love the 24\7 convenience and we have built an economy that needs a every minute of the day to earn money.

Jeff

February 16th, 2010
7:30 am

Side bar, I don’t remember who asked about taking my daughter to V-day lunch, but thank you. It was very sweet of you to ask and we had as much fun as possible in 2 hours. You never know what a child will remember as an important event in their life and seems that it won’t be what you remember.

Jeff

February 16th, 2010
7:33 am

Theresa, I’m glad you brought up this topic. My ex has scheduled Sunday afternoon meetings with a group from school and I thought it was a callous effort to cut in to my visitation time (no offer to make that time up anywhere-else, but that’s a different topic). Since it’s happening elsewhere, that eases the poke in the eye factor.

Generally, I’m OK with activities being moved to Sunday’s for 2 reasons. The weekdays are so crammed (as you said), and Sunday afternoons are generally lazy anyway, so being active is good.

As far as the visitation conflict, a little cooperation could solve that, but then again, we may be asking for cooperation from soomeone with a history of refusing to cooperate.

ABC

February 16th, 2010
7:42 am

Not everyone goes to church, and certainly in an area as diverse as Atlanta there are people of many different faiths who have their own days of the week for worship or reflection. So I personally have no problems with Sunday activities. I know I’m in the minority, but I don’t think going to church or a service of any sort makes you any better of a person or any more religious or spiritual than anyone else, so what’s the big deal of having to skip once in a while so you can attend something else worthwhile, like the ones mentioned here?

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
7:42 am

It is nice to know that there are still some families who commit to going to church on Sunday or even Saturday night. I fear their numbers are dwindling. While there are many choices on where to attend church, there are those who do not find it important today. To me, this is why we are having so many problems in families and our country.

None of us are perfect but when we are reminded of morals, this helps us remember what is right and what we need to do. Some may say attending church is a waste of time or ever tied to things that are no longer relevant. I see a lot of evil in the world and think that it is perhaps multiplying as those who attend church are diminishing.

We are looking for a good used car for our daughter and both she and my husband have wasted a lot of time traveling to see cars that are IN GOOD CONDITION, NEVER BEEN IN A WRECK, SOLD BY OWNER…when in fact none of the above are true. She told me yesterday,
“why can’t people just tell the truth….” A sad but true observation in our world and it does continue to give a bad name to a car salesman. Anyone have a good car thy are selling….LOL.

I am not opposed to Sunday activities but do appreciate a relaxed afternoon. I will be spending many of the next few Sunday in airports across the country and appreciate TODAY, when I can simply stay home,

I spent the day at UGA with my daughter yesterday…her day is coming all too soon…whew! We met one freshman student from Cherokee who has been home twice this year ( including Christmas). Imagine it….sounds like my son but my daughter will at least come home to see her
dog :).

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
7:45 am

@ jeff…good for you in your Valentine’s lunch. We had a pastor who once said,

“You will have bad days with your children but it is your job to make memorable good days. Hopefully, they will outweigh the bad ones and they will remember the good days you had together.”

Sounds like you are heading in that direction! KUDOS

JATL

February 16th, 2010
7:45 am

I don’t have a problem with it, but I am a fan of not scheduling your kids too much overall. Sunday afternoon stuff is ok, but truth be told I would rather it be some other time. I enjoy Sunday being a lazy, unfilled day where we may plan to go to church and then do something or just stay at home and make pancakes and watch movies. I believe our lives have gotten so hectic and overplanned that we all need a day where we just chill out!

Be Nice

February 16th, 2010
7:46 am

You don’t have to attend church or even belong to a religious group to have morals and ethics, @motherjanegoose. That is a simple concept that many people just don’t get. You can be agnostic or even an atheist and yet show compassion, caring and altruism toward your fellow human being.

first time poster

February 16th, 2010
7:51 am

It seems to me that you have to make a choice as to what is more important to you, the activity or the family time.

Personally, I don’t think whether you attend religious services or not makes you a good or bad person. I’ve seen religion both positively and negatively affect people in my life, but it comes down to the choices the individual made, not what religious services they went to or not.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

February 16th, 2010
7:54 am

Jeff — I agree with you — you never know what they will recall — I’m sure she will remember that special time and that effort — We have several divorces in the groups — our GS meetings are every other week so one of the moms has made sure it’s on her day. at least for our group we would welcome a dad if it was his day — we would appreciate him making the effort to get the child there — I don’t think our GS group would have any problem with dad participating too. Maybe your child’s activity would the same — maybe it could be something for you guys to do together instead of just a time suck.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

February 16th, 2010
7:57 am

It is definitely a change for the South — growing up here no one would have ever put something on Sundays or for that matter Wednesday nights — the big local sports league has no practices or games that I know of on Wednesday nights because that’s church night. Our church is outgrown its space and was having to do classes on Tues, Wed. and Thurs and it was a huge debate because that was cutting into people’s activities on Tues and Thurs — The wed folks were A-Ok because the clubs already respect that as protestant church night.

Jane

February 16th, 2010
8:06 am

ABC – first of all, nobody who posted before you claimed that they were better just because they went to church, so please lose the attitude. Secondly, you said “what’s the big deal of having to skip once in a while so you can attend something else worthwhile.” If a weekly event is scheduled on a Sunday morning, then we’re not talking about skipping church “once in a while” – we’re talking about missing it totally. “Weekly” means each week, not occasionally.

I’m fine with things “once in a while”, but if one of my son’s activities wanted to meet every Sunday morning, then yes – there would be a problem because his religious upbringing is more important to us than another activity.

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
8:08 am

@ be nice, you are correct. Wonder if both folks in yesterday’s blog attend church? It would be interesting to see a correlation. How many of those who are in prison where regular church attenders? Anyone?

I find that I tend to absorb habits, language and behaviors of those who I hang out with. When I am around people who church going, I see more morals and ethics than in the general public.
Maybe I am the only one in this camp and everyone else on this blog lives in an arena of those who have the utmost moral integrity, yet never attend church. It certainly could be true…readers?

I absolutely agree that going to church does not make you a better person, especially if you are not listening to anything ( while in church) or interacting with any other folks who attend.

I also agree that those who attend church are not always of the highest morals. There are days I am mean as a snake and I typically go to church…we make mistakes ( going to church reminds me to get in line).

I find myself emulating those I hang around with, both in thoughts and behaviors, This is perhaps obvious in my opinions about education as I am immersed in that arena nearly every day. My friends who attend church, keep me grounded and remind me of what is important in my life. Maybe it is just me! Kind of like if you hang out with someone who is thrifty, you may become thrifty or if you hang out with someone who cusses like a sailor, your vocabulary could change too!

Off the wall question…does anyone think a president could get elected in the USA ( in today’s world) who is a proclaimed atheist? Just wondering.

ZachsMom

February 16th, 2010
8:15 am

Not everyone has Sundays off have lazy afternoons. Like Kate said, we live in a 24/7 world. My biggest complaint is actually with my church. They think that everyone (women-moms) is either retired, wealthy or a stay at home mom. Pancake supper tonight is at 5pm. Church tomorrow night is at 6pm. I don’t even get off work until 530 on a good day. By the time you pick up the kids and get home to change clothes and could even get to church its 630.

This also ties in with yesterdays topic. If your child is only home 2 weekends a month, will that activity work with you? What if it starts in the afternoon and they are not due back until 6pm? Do you ask the child to choose between time with one parent or an outside activity they want to do?

Who knew that life would always be so complicated????

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
8:23 am

@ ZachsMom…I am laughing, as my church staff thinks that you should absolutely be there most every time the door is open. Our Pastor ( I believe) really thinks everyone should be in church for the Sunday services. Well, I appreciate the firefighters/police who are on call and not at church. I am also thinking the restaurant workers do not run out of service at noon, so they can be there to whip something up quick before everyone else ( from church) shows up at 12:30. Or even the hospital workers who ( gasp) are working and not in church. This is so silly, to me.

Yes, our world is not the same as it used to be. In fact, I remember as a little girl when different churches were on the four corners of the main street and after church everyone would stand outside and visit with each other for a long time. Not so much anymore.

I am off but need to get some things done today too…hugs to everyone!

Be Nice

February 16th, 2010
8:26 am

@motherjanegoose, you bring up a very interesting question about whether someone who is an atheist could be elected President of the U.S. Unfortunately, I think the answer today is still “no,” but I would hope that one day people might be able to look past religion and simply see the candidate and his or her record. I think we made huge progress by electing Obama. Yes, he is a Christian and has been his entire life (sorry birthers and other conspiracy theorists), but his father was a Muslim and he did live in Indonedia, a predominantly Muslim nation.
I don’t think given his background (both ethnicity and religious), he could have been elected to the presidency even 20 years ago, so I would say we’ve come a long way!

JJ

February 16th, 2010
8:27 am

I don’t go to church so Sundays are wide open for me. Although I don’t have a kid at home full time anymore, I still use Sundays to relax and prepare for the upcoming week. I do my grocery shopping, plan my weekly menus, do the laundry and just putter around the house.

Pretty soon I’ll be able to get out and start preparing the yard for this year’s garden. Putting in a salad garden and an herb garden this year. My Irises have already started coming up…..

ABC

February 16th, 2010
8:29 am

@Jane, relax. I was merely saying that in today’s diverse world, church is not the be all and end all of everyone’s existence. People have to make their own choices. Theresa said she would not sign up for anything that met Sunday mornings, and that is certainly her right. But since not everyone goes to church, I don’t think groups (sports or anything else) need to necessarily shy away from scheduling things on Sundays just because they are worried about the church-going crowd.

Becky

February 16th, 2010
8:30 am

@Jeff..That was me that wanted to know about the dance with your daughter..I am so glad to hear that she was able to go and that y’all had such a good time..I had my 2 grandchildren for Valentines and it was so nice to hear him say “Nanny, you always give me the best Valentines Day”..

@ABC..I loved your post and you are so right..There are so many different faiths in and around Atlanta, that some might not be in church Sun. morning..I will say though, since I’ve started attending church on a regular basis, I do feel much better about myself..

I had an uncle that could quote you verse for verse the bible and was in church every Sun. morning..This was after he had been out drinking Fri. and Sat. nights..He ran around on his wife the entire time that they were married, so your right, going to church does not make you a better person..I guess that each person just has to choose what is right for them..

cld

February 16th, 2010
8:39 am

My husband’s grandmother (passed away a couple years ago) used to expect her family to gather at her house every Sunday after church. They were expected to stay until it was time to leave for Sunday evening church (they did not all attend the same church, but were all the same denomination). As her grandchildren grew into teenagers and had schedules of their own, the family gradually started loosening those expectations – it became every other week, or only for a few hours. As the grandchildren became adults with careers and spouses and in-laws of their own, it became a monthly activity, but there still was an underlying tone that it wasn’t often enough. She meant well and loved her family dearly, but times really have changed in the last 40 years. Our 24/7 world just won’t accommodate those things anymore, at least not for such large groups. I give this anecdote because it was a really big deal when the younger grandchildren started having Sunday afternoon schedule conflicts like ball games and homework.

5!!!

February 16th, 2010
8:44 am

We had a baseball league that had games on Sundays. It really was the best time for us.

In the spring and summer, weekday activities are ok, but in the winter, it doesn’t work.

Its dark by the time I get home.

“Can’t see when I go to work, can’t see when I get off,
How do you expect a man not to get lost,
Every year I keep working I get deeper in debt,
If there’s a happy day Lord, I haven’t seen it yet”

Photius

February 16th, 2010
8:48 am

What ever happened to just letting your child play in the backyard alone, staring at the clouds or playing with a stick? Whatever happened to allowing your child to actually get bored? Kids today are over structured on mindless activitities. You really want to help your kids? Leave them alone!

ABC

February 16th, 2010
8:52 am

@Becky, that is the point 100%. You choose what works for you and your family and should not have it dictated by anything or anyone else. I remember when I was a kid stores wouldn’t open until noon or later on Sundays (even grocery stores) and many were closed entirely. Today you can find a lot of places open on Sunday mornings, which is a great convenience for people who work long hours during the week or simply have no other time to do their shopping.
So while I totally respect the right of people to attend the house of worship of their choice, when they wish, I am also happy that our society doesn’t revolve around people who go to church and cater only to that schedule of Sunday morning service. I think that is progress and shows we are an enlightened, free thinking society.

Andrea

February 16th, 2010
9:00 am

I would be against scheduling activities on Sundays. We very much enjoy not having anything to do after church on Sundays. I think the kids are already too scheduled, so that would not work for us. If the activity insisted on meetings on Sunday, we would have to really evaluate our commitment to the activity before deciding if we would participate.

Michelle

February 16th, 2010
9:08 am

Personally, I think there should be 1 day that is NOT scheduled. I think Sunday should be kept free to do “whatever” you might want to do as a family (if that works for you). We typically use Sunday as our hanging out day since this is the only day that we all have off together! This is usually the day I do laundry, make sure homework is finished, etc.

MJG-get my e-mail from Theresa. My hubby can help you locate something for your daughter. Just let me know what you are looking for (i.e. year, type, cost range, etc.) and he can help you out!

John

February 16th, 2010
9:14 am

I have a problem with a lot of the scheduling being done on Sunday. Even if the event like a soccer game, for example, is scheduled on Sunday afternoon, you still have to get ready for the event, travel to the event, and squeeze in lunch some time. Therefore, it effectively means a lot of families going to the event can’t attend church on Sunday. In addition, many churches have things like children and youth choirs and Bible studies late Sunday afternoon so even that is a problem for those families. I never had a problem participating in sports, Scouts, school events, etc growing up and neither did my children who now are in their twenties. However, we were able to do all of these things on other days of the week and still have Sunday set aside for church, family and relaxing time. It is easy to avoid Sundays if parents try.

Right-on

February 16th, 2010
9:14 am

Oh yeah Michelle, heaven forbit you post your email on here for MJG, we’re all just longing to send you pointless emails.

lulu

February 16th, 2010
9:14 am

I don’t go to church. For the record, I think that religion tends to be a sick, twisted power sport, and that such strong beliefs in religion with such weak values is exactly what is wrong with the world today. But the fact that I don’t go has nothing to do with my personal beliefs or the values with which I’m raising my son, and I resent the implication (although it’s such a common one from the church-goers) that not attending church is what’s wrong with the world. I’m pretty sure that the prison population on the whole is, perhaps surprisingly, quite the spiritual group, and gang members and drug dealers tend to be pretty religious as well.

That said, as far as the actual topic at hand, I am always surprised at the number of birthday parties, etc. scheduled for Sunday mornings or early afternoon. Seeing as Sunday is the day before Monday, though, I would rather events be scheduled earlier rather than later so everybody has plenty of time to come home and be prepared for the start of the week. I have noticed more weekly activities being scheduled on Sundays – I have no problem with it, but so far I have opted not to sign my son up for any of them since I’d rather keep Sundays as clear, quiet family days. I like having an “at-home” day – but if you’re not too over-scheduled already and Sunday works, I don’t think it’s an issue.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

February 16th, 2010
9:16 am

Michelle — email me again so I have one at the top of the file — you wouldn’t believe all the crap that goes to that account — i’ve given up even trying to clean it out —- I will forward to mjg -

Becky

February 16th, 2010
9:16 am

@ABC..I also remember when stores weren’t open early on Sun. To this day, I won’t go to a grocery store that is open on Thanksgiving or Christmas.. Like MJG (I think) said, there are some jobs that you expect to have to work Sundays and holidays..I’m sure that is just me, so if I offend anyone, sorry..We are all different and for that I am thankful..Most of my family doesn’t go to church, but they don’t give me grief over us going..Again, what works for me, might not work for you and that is no reason for me not to like you..JJ has said several times that she does not go to church, but (based on this blog) I think she is probably a very nice person..Just because she doesn’t go to church, that doesn’t make me automatically think not to like her..

smh

February 16th, 2010
9:18 am

Our church had a great message on Sunday regarding racing the clock. Our pastor pointed out that since he obviously works Sundays, Thursday is his sabbath or rest day. Point being, commit to one day of rest regardless of the specific day. With that said, our family tries to keep things pretty quiet on Sundays. I personally would not like kids’ activities scheduled on Sundays. I too remember the days when few business were open on Sundays and as a child remember visiting relatives, things like that. I am not convinced that our 24/7 expectation is for the better. Sometimes it is good to slow down. Just my two cents.

TechMom

February 16th, 2010
9:19 am

I dread any scheduled Sunday activities other than church because it really is our only ‘family’ time. Husband is currently working a job that keeps him out of town Mon morning – Fri afternoon. Son plays lots of sports so we’re typically at some kind of sporting event on Saturdays and if we’re lucky maybe dinner with some friends, which really leaves us Sunday for family time and catching up around the house. Of course I dread those school projects that take hours on Sundays too, not just the activities. The problem is that there simply isn’t a lot of time during the week. I pick the boy up after practice… it’s supposed to end by 5:30 but anyone with a kid in sports in MS/HS knows that the coaches think their time is more important than yours so it’s usually 5:45 by the time they’re out of practice and 6 by the time they’re out of the locker room. By the time we get home, he gets a shower and we have dinner, there’s only enough time for that night’s homework… and we have to plan around Tuesday nights since that’s Scout night and we aren’t usually home until 8:45. That being said, I still would not want Scouts moved to Sundays even if it means that Tuesdays are less hectic or my husband could help more. I just value our Sunday afternoons as a time to reset for the upcoming week, get things in order and have a meal & time together.

My son goes to a private school so Wednesdays are still respected. Our church only has youth service on Wednesday nights but since I help lead, I’m there too. His school lets out an hour and fifteen minutes early on Wednesdays so activities can finish earlier and teachers have time throughout the school year for their training, parent-teacher conferences, etc. And even though teachers don’t typically assign homework on Wednesdays, there are still times when reading needs to be done or studying for a test so I’ll leave the boy home to work on school work while I go to youth (faith is obviously important to our family but Wednesday nights are fun nights so I’m OK with him skipping if he has too much school work, the same is true for Tuesdays when he has Scouts- I’d rather him be there but school work is a higher priority).

Sandra

February 16th, 2010
9:25 am

Speaking of weekend activities, when did Chuck E. Cheese get so trashy? Is it because it’s close to the bus stop? It has gone the way of six flags and become a baby sitter for poor people. Is nothing immune?

Becky

February 16th, 2010
9:26 am

@lulu..Not all people that go to church think that you not attending church is what’s wrong with the world..So please keep your implications to yourself..

Lisa

February 16th, 2010
9:29 am

@ lulu – quite judgmental of you. You erroneously said: “I’m pretty sure that the prison population on the whole is, perhaps surprisingly, quite the spiritual group, and gang members and drug dealers tend to be pretty religious as well.” Um, that’d be a no. Some are, some aren’t, but to say that in general the whole is religious is wrong and a pretty stupid statement by one who should be more concerned with her own unethical opinion process.

5!!!

February 16th, 2010
9:32 am

Kind of on topic:

I don’t like it when birthday parties for children are scheduled for late in the day on Saturday. Its very inconvenient. Get it done in the mornings or lunch time so that the various projects we have to work on Saturdays can be completed.

When you work all week, you have to have some time to take care of all of the activities involved with maintaining a home. Its a real pain when you are in the middle of something and have to go spend two hours at chuck-e-cheese in the prime time of the day.

So, when scheduling your child’s birthday, consider doing it around 10AM.

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
9:34 am

@ Michelle and Theresa…thanks so much! Sorry to veer the topic.

My kids will put the down payment on a car and make their own payments. I will add $1000 to her down payment . My son has a 1999 Saturn, that he paid for himself ( 4 years ago) and it is still running. He has less than 100,000 miles on it.

I will wait to get your e-mail. I am going to send Theresa my phone number too, as she will not put it on the blog….LOL.
We are looking for something in the $5000 range. She is just getting her driver’s license and ( while others mayl not agree) does not need a fancy car. A 2001 Civic or Corolla?

@ right on….are you new here? Not many posters put their e-mail on the blog. Typically, they ask Theresa to connect them. I have done it myself. Others, have an alternate e-mail they use for this purpose only. No point in getting snippy….when someone is trying to help!

Jim Warren

February 16th, 2010
9:35 am

I don’t have kids but have many in my life. Just my opinion ( and slightly off topic), but kids today seem to have NO time for just playing. Too many planned activities. Baseball twice a year? Two basketball seasons? Let kids be kids a little bit of the time.

ABC

February 16th, 2010
9:38 am

I’m with you @5!! re: birthday parties. How about parties on a Friday night from 6-8 p.m. or Saturday for that matter. I’m sorry, but that time is usually when we’ll go out to dinner as a family or go to someone else’s house or have a date night. I’d rather not spend my weekend evenings at a kids’ party.
And @Sandra, you are so right about Chuck E. Cheese. Even 10 years ago it wasn’t that bad, but today even if you’re in a nice area like Northpoint, I dread having to attend a birthday there. Thank goodness my child is older and less likely to have to set foot in a Chuck E. Cheese!

cld

February 16th, 2010
9:46 am

I’m with @5!!, too! I’m so tired of 2 p.m. parties and showers. For a multitude of reasons that still irritate me, we had to host our son’s first birthday party as a late lunch on Sunday. I really wanted noon on Saturday seeing as we were serving lunch, and would love 11 a.m.!!!! But apparently too many people (at least in his family) think 1-2 p.m. is a great time for lunch. Anything earlier is just unthinkable. And don’t even get me started on the Saturday vs. Sunday issue. That one still makes me mad.

JJ

February 16th, 2010
9:54 am

My now ex sister in law used to schedule her kids birthday parties at 4:00 Sunday afternoon. Drove me freaking crazy….!!!!

Becky, thank you for the kind reference…..you are by far THE NICEST person on this blog. You always have a kind comment. And when you do “blast” someone, you do it with the utmost respect. You and I could be very good friends…

I haven’t been to church in years. Church was never forced on me as a kid. We just didn’t go. My mom worked every other weekend, and my dad travelled a good bit, so Sunday’s were for family.

I am involved in my community, support my schools, etc. You don’t have to go to church to be a good person.

deidre_NC

February 16th, 2010
9:55 am

whether you are a church goer or not…we all need a day of rest..a day to do nothing or whatever you want. kids have so much stuffed planned for them they have no time to be kids and to try to figure out on their own how not to be bored. i think this is sad. i unfotunately have to work almost every sunday and havent gotten to go to church in a long time. i really miss that. i do know people who dont go to church and some are nice and some arent…just like ones who do go to church..where i work it is a fact that after church we are invaded with mean nasty people…sunday is the worst day for mean people to come shopping…that amazes me…it is also tru as MJG said that you sorta become like the people you hang out with…anyone who cant understand that lives blindly imo…so no matter whether you go to church or not..there needs to be a day where only family and self (and god if you are into god) matters…

catlady

February 16th, 2010
10:03 am

Growing up, Sundays were family time. Church in the morning, a nice lunch, quiet afternoon, and youth group meeting in the evening. I would have missed that, as would my kids, I think.

Now I observe a Saturday Sabbath.

I think everybody needs ONE day with no meetings or calls on their time except worship (if they like) and quiet pursuits of leisure/visiting/ good works/family. So, yeah, I would have a hard time giving that up for Scouts, etc. Giving over that one day for “higher pursuits” does not seem too much to ask.

And if I had multiple children’s activities pulling on us, well,I would just give one or more up, no matter how worthwhile they are. FAMILY time is more important,in the long run, than scouts, etc., IMHO.

Other folks may see it other ways.

Rebecca

February 16th, 2010
10:07 am

@ lulu – wow, the attitude!

Sunday afternoons for sports and other activities is unfortunately becoming a trend. Many facilities are so over scheduled that sometimes things have to happen on a Sunday to get everything in. Last Spring I remember my daughter’s week night and Saturday softball games being rained out, and Sunday afternoon was the makeup time. Scouts is finding if they want to attract the sports kids that Sunday is the best time.

Michelle

February 16th, 2010
10:09 am

Right-on, we don’t typically put e-mail addresses on here! I really don’t care who e-mails me! It is simple enough to block anyone who is annoying! For some people who hide behind their blog names and say things they wouldn’t if they were know, that could be a problem! I, personally, wouldn’t say anything on here I wouldn’t say in person!

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
10:14 am

@ deidre…sorry for the nasty church folks….do you work at Wal Mart? You may not want to say.

I worked there all through college and know the church folks can also be a pain. Some church folks are not the ones you want to hang out with…and some family members also fall into this category LOL.

My Dad is the king of church folks. He is a LOUSY tipper. When I am eating out with him ( rarely) I always leave extra money for our wait staff.

Here is something that someone once told me and I do not know if it is true….maybe others can tell us:

Chik Fil A prefers to hire teens who attend church.
I find the kids who work in there to be thoughtful, courteous and generally clean and neat….who knows?
Of the fast food environments, typically the most pleasant and consistent!
Anyone else find Chik Fil A to be a pleasant place to eat?
They are closed on Sundays…..hmmmm.

Maybe someone knows more about this than I do or my info is outdated.

cld

February 16th, 2010
10:20 am

@mjg, I don’t know if your first statement about CFA preferring to hire church-going teens is accurate . . . however, I do find they consistently have the best customer services, by leaps and bounds. When we were traveling last summer, my husband dropped off DH (one year old) and I for lunch at CFA. He was running and errand in the adjoining shopping center, and would be joining us shortly. I walked into that place carrying a toddler, a diaper bag, a high chair cover and two sippy cups. I had no idea how I was going to conduct the transaction of actually getting our lunch. But a friendly elderly man who was working in the dining room grabbed a high chair for me, took it to the table I pointed out, set it up (along with a placemat for the table), and even carried my tray to the table for me after I’d ordered! He was a lifesaver. We had similar help from a courteous CFA employee on our return drive a week later. For that, we ALWAYS prefer to spend our (RARE) fast-food money at CFA rather than somewhere else. Those are the businesses I want to support.

JJ

February 16th, 2010
10:21 am

I schedule “pajama weekend” about once every 6 weeks, where I do absolutely Nothing…..lay around in my house clothes and watch mindless tv.

As for Chick-Fil-A, the owner, Truett Cathey, is highly religious and will not have his employees work on Sundays. Same with Hobby Lobby, they aren’t open on Sundays either.

cld

February 16th, 2010
10:21 am

*husband dropped off DS NOT *husband dropped off DH :)

DB

February 16th, 2010
10:23 am

I don’t really care when my “down time” is, as long as I get it in there somewhere! When the kids were younger, we spent many a Sunday afternoon at club soccer games — but we found those times relaxing and fun family time, so we didn’t really resent that they were schedule on Sunday. As they got older, we had Girl Scout meetings on Sunday afternoons (after Sunday services, before Sunday evening services) because that was, literally, the ONLY time the girls (who were in three different high schools) could meet. I personally don’t think there’s anything particularly sacred about a Sunday as opposed to a Saturday morning or a Thursday evening. We had a good family friend, an observant Catholic, who would look at her month ahead of time, figure out who was doing what when (four kids), and write it on the calendar which mass the family woudl be attending — either Friday night, Saturday or Sunday. It was a priority for them, and I admired her flexibility in not insisting on Sunday to make it work for their family to attend together.

And while I may miss my chicken biscuit from Chik-Fil-A on Sunday, or the opportunity to browse through Hobby Lobby, I have to admit, I’m glad for their employees that they can count on one day off during the week.

5!!!

February 16th, 2010
10:26 am

Sundays are not a day of rest for me BECAUSE of church. Have to set the alarm to be there. Rush out the door. I attend a small church which is like having a second job. Be there early to take care of all the things that need doing. and stay late to watch children.

Then out to lunch, then chores.

Saturdays are usually filled with “have tos” as well. Have to do the laundry. have to mow the yard. Have to clean the gutters. have to rake leaves. Have to clean the house.

Weekdays are out the door by 7 to make it to school on time, then to work, then home by 6. Dinner, help with homework, light chores, meetings at various groups.

A day of rest every week? Sounds great, but its not even close to realistic for me.

A day of rest once a quarter is more like it.

mystery poster

February 16th, 2010
10:29 am

I don’t understand what the big deal is. You don’t like a 2PM Sunday birthday party? Don’t go. It’s an invitation, not a summons.

5!!!

February 16th, 2010
10:33 am

I don’t like a 2PM SATURDAY birthday party. Sunday would be better.

And 2PM is better than 4PM. The problem is you have it hanging over your head all day. You can’t get started on something else because you will have to do that later.

I can’t tell you how many times I am in the middle of a project and I realize I have 3o minutes to go get myself cleaned up so that I can get my son to a birthday party. I am not going to let my son miss a birthday party over my chores. I am just saying it would be more convenient to get those thigns over with in the morning

Also, its nice when children’s birthday parties have things for the adults too. Obviously, if you chose Chuck E Cheese, then its going to be a chore for the adult. However, if you choose your home or a park, you could serve adult food and beverages as well as pizza, hotdogs, and sugary drinks.

cld

February 16th, 2010
10:37 am

I think my last post got lost . . .

@mystery poster – I will let you deal with the inquisition from my in-laws when we skip those parties. The fallout of not going usually is worse than just going.

I don’t care for the 2 p.m. parties because it seems like I get half-way through what I need to do for the day, then have to switch gears, and by the time I get home, it’s time for dinner. Plus, with a toddler nap schedule, having to be somewhere at 2 p.m. means choosing between arriving late or disrupting his nap schedule – so it’s partially just the phase we’re in right now. But then again, we never DO anything on Saturday nights, so 4 p.m. wouldn’t shift any of our plans. 4 p.m. on Sunday, though, is the pits. That is one invitation I would refuse, regardless of the fallout. Hello, people who work during the week, need some time to decompress and prep for Monday.

Becky

February 16th, 2010
10:37 am

@Photius..Our two grandchildren aren’t involved in any activities and it works for us just fine..They both do want to try golf and when it’s warmer, we’ll let them..They are both left handed, so not sure if we’ll be able to find someone to teach them that is also left handed..This leave us lots of time to just take off on weekends and do other things..We spend a lot of time outdoors (in the mountains) when it’s nice outside..To me, this is just as important as having them in 500 “activities”..

@ABC..To this day, I won’t go to a grocery store that is open on Thanksgiving or Christmas..I know that this is just me, but I feel that those of days that you should be with family (if thats your choice)..I know that there are jobs that you can’t be off for these days and I’m fine with that..

@JJ..Not sure if I’m the nicest person on here, but thank you..

@MJG..Good luck with the car hunt..I found mine on the AJC..We looked for 3-4 months until we found just what we were looking for..

TechMom

February 16th, 2010
10:43 am

Unless the kids are under the age of 5 or 6 or don’t play any sports, Saturday mornings are a terrible time for birthday parties. Almost all athletic organizations schedule games on Saturdays between 8am – 4pm (unless it’s baseball and they schedule games whenever they very well please – at least in our county).

mystery poster

February 16th, 2010
10:45 am

Re: hanging around Chuck E Cheese
Have things changed that much since my kids were young? Why do the parents need to hang around at their kids’ friends bday parties. Drop them off and pick them up at the predetermined times.

YUKI

February 16th, 2010
10:48 am

I just finished reading Truett Cathy’s book about how he insists on Chick-fil-a being run. Very interesting…makes me respect CFA and his business practices even more. He insistes that the individual owners spend a lot of time in the restaurants and they are very picky about who they hire. I myself have gone in with just a toddler and the young high school guy taking my order offered to bring my food to me at the table so that I could get myself and my son situated. I was more than impressed. The restaurants themselves seem cleaner and the employees are friendly in almost every situation. I would go there over McDonalds any day. Have you seen some of the people working in the other fast food restaurants sometimes??? Customer service is obviously not as big of a priority. And I do belive that all of this comes down to Mr. Cathy’s religious beliefs. His faith is what helps him to run his business and to do so many things for the community. And no, I’m not related to him just very impressed with his operation!!

TechMom

February 16th, 2010
10:49 am

@mystery poster – most parents don’t feel comfortable doing that- they’re paranoid because they heard on the news one time or got forwarded a chain email about a kid who got abducted from Chuck E Cheese. They don’t consider the fact that like 98% of kids who get abducted, are taken by family members from their own houses.

YUKI

February 16th, 2010
10:49 am

sorry, a few typos in my post above please excuse them!

wmsmommy

February 16th, 2010
10:49 am

I ALWAYS want Chick Fil-A on Sundays!

wmsmommy

February 16th, 2010
10:49 am

I ALWAYS want Chick Fil-A on Sundays!

wmsmommy

February 16th, 2010
10:50 am

I ALWAYS hate it when I post twice!

Erin

February 16th, 2010
10:54 am

I would hope that most places would not shut down all on the same day of the week. Most people do not work 7 days a week, EVEN if their workplace is open that long – that’s what shifts and schedules are for. Yes, people should get breaks (and I’d give a lot to get a 10 hr/ 4 day schedule myself) but even the weekends as they are make it extremely difficult for a regular office worker to get most things done. I have a LOT of trouble scheduling ANYTHING – doctor appointments, dentist, estimates for house work, DMV trips, tag/tax office trips, pharmacy pickups, etc. Everything is closed whenever I’m free. If schedules were not duplicated everywhere, it’d be so much easier to have a day to catch up and a day to rest, and not be half nuts about it – I’d gladly give up one of my two weekend days for a Monday or Friday.

More to the original topic, no, no problem with Sundays here. It seems that would be a great time for scheduling such meetings – everything else is closed, and most of these activities are ‘rest’/ fun activities anyways – better than couch time for the weekend. If you are taking a more traditional view of this day of rest, don’t most of these activities fit that bill? Chances for friends and camaraderie – it is a healthy break (and if not, and you’re overwhelmed, it may be time to re-evaluate the number of activities, regardless of what day they are on).

@ the could an atheist be president question… No, not yet. A more local position, probably, but the country still has a LOT of prejudices ingrained that would tend to prevent that.
Really, it has always scared me when someone asks how someone can be moral without church – if that person is held back only by a rule – to the point that they don’t understand not wanting to do such bad things, then that is not very reassuring.

5!!!

February 16th, 2010
10:54 am

“Why do the parents need to hang around at their kids’ friends bday parties. Drop them off and pick them up at the predetermined times.”

It depends on the party. If the parents hosting the party offer that to you, then its ok to leave. If it is not offered, I would not assume that its OK. I have been to a few parties where the parents say, “You can stay if you like or come back later”. Thats nice, but its not always and its not assumed its OK.

I have attended a few birthday parties where adults and children both are catered to and have a nice time. I think thats the way to go. For example, if you have the party at your home and its during a sporting event such as college football, or a Braves game, put the game on in a room of the house with some adult snacks and beverages and let the children’s activities be elsewhere in your home.

cld

February 16th, 2010
10:55 am

Also, my particular comment about the maddening Sunday party was an isolated incident: not Sunday vs. Saturday in general. We wanted a Saturday lunch party for our son. SIL couldn’t make it. We moved it to Sunday to accommodated. Her Saturday plans fell through but she couldn’t make Sunday either. She cries that she never sees him . . .

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
10:56 am

@ YUKI…lol…I know some here will think I am nuts but I prefer not to be waited on by a person who ( as my husband says)” looks like they fell into a tackle box head first”.

Where my daughter works ( I am not saying) they cannot wear any jewelry or nail polish…no tatoos either. I was surprised but everyone in there is clean and neat and thus I feel better about where she works too!

Cammi317

February 16th, 2010
11:05 am

I don’t want to HAVE TO DO anything on Sunday afternoon. My daughter and I have began the trend of catching an afternoon movie, but that is relaxing mommy-daughter time. It is stressful running from activity to activity during the week, but it would be more stressful for me to have obligations on Sunday afternoon instead of relaxing and getting prepared for week.

RJ

February 16th, 2010
11:06 am

As a true southerner, I can tell you that Sundays have alway been off limits for anything other than church activities and family time. I have noticed more and more activities being scheduled on Sundays. I’m okay with some things, but not everything. My son’s basketball team actually had an AAU game scheduled Easter morning a few years ago. Are you serious? Needless to say the game was canceled. Apparently whoever planned it didn’t realize that Easter is the most holy Christian day.

Since I have to leave my house at 6:30am, I really like to rest on Sundays. My kids are older so no more birthday parties at Chuck E Cheese, so I’m past that. Someone mentioned just not going, but it’s not always that simple. Imagine if my son’s game hadn’t been canceled. He would’ve been devastated. Regardless of how diverse our city is, I think people need to consider that the majority of people recognize Sunday as the Sabbath and should plan accordingly.

@lulu, it seems that you grew up with some negative experiences with church folk. My beliefs are what keep me grounded; without them I would indeed be lost. You have a right to believe whatever you choose, just as Christians do.

lulu

February 16th, 2010
11:07 am

I believe it was stated earlier that people not going to church was what was wrong with the world. People have different reasons for not going to church; it is not because we are bad people. I have nothing but respect for church-goers who actually act like Christians.

I was not comparing church-goers to criminals; it was asked whether prisoners were spiritual. And many of them are. I’m not sure how that makes me unethical.

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
11:17 am

@ Erin…you CAN certainly be moral without church.
Some can be moral in the midst of evil and I have ultimate respect for those folks.
I am inclined to RJ’s comment:

My beliefs are what keep me grounded; without them I would indeed be lost. You have a right to believe whatever you choose, just as Christians do.

I can certainly drive a 5 speed ( on the interstate here in Atlanta) as I used to drive one for years and could probably pick it up. If I drove one once a week, it might come quicker to me and make my trip easier….say tomorrow.

When I am in church once a week, it reminds me of the things I need to do and the way I need to live ( in the face of adversity) ….comes quicker to me when I perhaps need it most….LOL.

Michelle….still waiting for your e-mail from T.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
11:27 am

Nope, we have too much to do on Sunday.. Church in the morning. I am in the choir and he is in the orchestra. Then at 4 they have orchestra practice and service that night… Our day is packed.

mystery poster

February 16th, 2010
11:30 am

Re: having an atheist president:
In 1960, they never thought JFK would get elected because he was Catholic. Just sayin’

Wayne

February 16th, 2010
11:30 am

I don’t know that not going to church is what is wrong with the world, but I do know that church attendance is much lower now than what it used to be. Up here, churches are either closing or consolidating. It might be an indicator of folks and their thoughts on Sunday’s? If less people are attending church, than it must be okay to schedule events on a Sunday.

And don’t get me started about event times. My wife’s family likes to schedule holiday events at 5:00 p.m. Whether or not the next day is a work day or not! Oh man, I blasphemed one year by having Thanksgiving at 1:00 p.m…

Julia

February 16th, 2010
11:30 am

5!!! just take them down to six flags or the mall with out supervision. **rolls eyes**

Michelle

February 16th, 2010
11:33 am

T-did you get my message?

Erin

February 16th, 2010
11:36 am

I’d rather see a business that is somewhat sensitive in it’s scheduling than one that plays some PC gamble of close on the Christian days. Closed doesn’t mean nobody is giving up their holiday (many of those businesses still have warehouse, shelving, counting, cleaning going on – sometimes overnight, and the schedule bears no arguments), and open doesn’t have to mean forcing Christians to work on their own holidays (would nobody trade out Christmas for their own religion’s day?)- wouldn’t it be better to work with the employees to give them their most relevant holiday/family days off, rather than being one size fits all, and perhaps still have some minimal staffing for quick pick ups when the holiday item is ruined/burnt/whatever or child has a holiday cold or whatever else?

Wayne

February 16th, 2010
11:36 am

Julia! You are still around!

Sally

February 16th, 2010
11:41 am

Do you think CFA will go the way of other fast food places? “Can I axe you a question?” and “We don’t got that here”? Speaking of hat,did anyone try the free breakfast promotion at Denny’s? I guess they found a price point that their customers could afford.

Becky

February 16th, 2010
11:41 am

Based on my experience with people in prison, as I was told once..They all find God when they are there, but when they get out they tend to lose him..Grew up with a guy that killed someone in a bar fight..Went to prison, found God, became a preacher..Fast forward to a couple of years after being released, back in jail for probation violation..Again, some church people are walking the talk and living the life, some aren’t..So lulu, if you don’t go to church, how do you know what christians are suppose to act like?

Jan

February 16th, 2010
11:42 am

Hey 5, thanks to your parenting philosophy, white water and six flags have become gang land.

cld

February 16th, 2010
11:49 am

@Erin, When I worked in the food and retail industries (short-lived in high school), we had no employees who celebrated something BESIDES Christmas. We had our fair share of employees who only celebrated the commercial aspect of the holiday, but they didn’t even pretend it was a religious thing. So to ask if someone can switch for their own religious holiday, is operating under the assumption there are employees who celebrate something else. Yes, there are people who aren’t Christian – but in those two cases, I didn’t work with anyone who celebrated anything other than Christmas.

@Sally, I REALLY hope they don’t!

Julia

February 16th, 2010
11:49 am

Hey Wayne, the boy and I have both been sicker than dogs. He had a sinus infection – gave it to me – I gave it back and then he got pneumonia.

Becky

February 16th, 2010
11:50 am

Where’s Tiger?

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
11:51 am

@ Sally ROFL.

I have to share this on the blog. I bank at two banks: PEOPLE’S BANK in Gwinnett County ( I love them and they are the BEST with customer service) and Bank of America. I HATE B of A. They act like they appreciate you….WHEN YOU GET TO THE COUNTER….after waiting 15-20 minutes behind folks who have no account with the bank, no ID or no idea what they want to do at the bank.

Last week, I was in there to make a deposit and had to wait. It was 3:00 in the afternoon the middle of the week. When I finally got to the counter…the person who stepped over to help me was some type of VP and told me she appreciated me waiting and my patience. I told her that I was not patient and that I hated banking there even though I have had an account with them for 20 years.

After a bit of hem hawing, she said she wanted my banking experience to be memorable and hoped things would change for the better.

I told my husband and he told me that I should go back in there and close out my savings account…ask for CASH and share that I wanted this to be a memorable day for her.
I thought it was a riot.

Are you saying ( Sally) that some dining experiences are more memorable than others…..:).

Wayne

February 16th, 2010
11:56 am

@MJG: I dislike BofA greatly. One of my last experiences, my wife says I should write a book on it. It was awful. I was telling the ‘agents’ how they conduct business. To long a story for here, but just don’t take your B0fA American Express card into any branch and expect to use it. Just sayin’

Wayne

February 16th, 2010
11:57 am

@Julia: I feel for your son. I had pneumonia and it sucked. It does seem to be making the rounds though, I’ve noticed.

Erin

February 16th, 2010
12:01 pm

@cld That hasn’t really been what I’ve seen – either in high school at such jobs, or later in more office type settings. However, as few are interested in such accommodations, and it invariably means trouble at work, there is little point in making any diversity known or obvious.

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
12:05 pm

@ Wayne…I have a Hilton Honors American Express with nearly 800,000 points on it from business purchases…no balance. I use it for FREE trips as we can stay at any hotel in the Hilton chain.
( anywhere from 30-70 nights for free now or 4 people on cruise)

Thanks for the tip!

Sorry, since I do go to church perhaps I should not have said hate…LOL.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

February 16th, 2010
12:06 pm

Teacher Friends — I have a question from a friend of mine — She’s wondering if there is any good ITBS preparation books or tests she should use for her child — He’s in third grade. She’s not looking for test prep questions as much as content type questions —- any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!! thanks! theresa

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

February 16th, 2010
12:08 pm

Julia –did you both get some get good meds — what do they treat pneumonia with?? they think my brother had it in the hospital from all the laying around in ICU – very common!! Hope you both feel better soon — I am so sorry you guys have been so sick!!

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

February 16th, 2010
12:08 pm

mjg – that’s a crapload of points — what’s your plan for those??

Julia

February 16th, 2010
12:18 pm

they gave him antibiotics I cant remember which one but it was stronger than amoxil They also had me do his breathing machine around the clock for 3 days and keep his humidifier on as well… it was LOADS of fun :)

Lisa

February 16th, 2010
12:24 pm

@MJG – so in your 11:51 am post, you’re saying that one of the bank officers was especially nice to you, apologized and tried to help you, and you and your husband are being nasty to the woman?

You surely have no class. Shame on you.

NFulton

February 16th, 2010
12:29 pm

If Chick-fil-A made hiring decisions (teen or otherwise) with any preference to church attendance, they would be breaking the law! It’s call the EEO and it’s a federal law to prohibit job discrimination.

Erin

February 16th, 2010
12:36 pm

@NFulton They have been sued on such grounds – and settled out of court. Many of the stores have employee daily prayers.

Jane

February 16th, 2010
12:37 pm

@NFulton – you said “it’s a federal law to prohibit job discrimination.”

Um, wanna rethink that one?!?!

Julia

February 16th, 2010
12:39 pm

Lisa, I doubt that she was nasty to the woman in the bank and I bet a kidney you have said a snide comment under your breath at some point.

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
12:40 pm

@ Lisa, this is not the first time I have been told that they (Bank of America) appreciate my patience and they want me to be happy. The officer was actually not especially nice…she came over to clean up a mess of a line with 12 customers waiting when there was one teller for the drive through and one at the counter. It was not a good day.

They offer lots of lip service but the banking experience itself continues to be a bad one. I have heard this from others too ( including the lady in front of me who told me she closed her account and move to Wachovia but promised her mother she would take her checks to the bank).

Even Clark Howard ( here in Atlanta) recommends not banking with them. He also tells us to vote with our pocketbook and ( to me) this means putting my money somewhere where they appreciate me. After 20 YEARS I am not convinced.

I am a Medallion with Delta and a Gold Level with Hilton, Holiday Inn and Choice Hotels. Each of them recognizes my continued loyalty and appreciates my business. They offer perks and greet me with a ‘THANKS FOR FLYING/ STAYING WITH US…WE APPRECIATE YOUR BUSINESS” When you are appreciated, you are more apt to remain loyal….maybe it is just me?

Would anyone continue to eat at a restaurant where the service is always slow and you have to wait for your food only to be apologized to every single time? Not me….

Theresa…I use my points to take various trips when I want to. We went to NYC last year and stayed at the Embassy Suites. My daughter and I will go to the beach over spring break. My husband may go to Las Vegas with our son as our son does not like the beach . We will also go to Boston this summer. I am frugal with the points and cash them in a little at a time, so I can have a fun treat once in a while. We went to the Smokey Mountains on my Choice Points in December.

Have you sent me Michelle’s e-mail yet? I do not see it. Thanks!

Julia

February 16th, 2010
12:40 pm

I do not understand.. If you dont believe in a company policy religious or not, why go work there?? Just to be an azz??

Wayne

February 16th, 2010
12:41 pm

Yeah, I had the 5 day course of antibiotics. Didn’t have to do the breathing maching though.

Erin

February 16th, 2010
12:46 pm

@Julia Not everyone has the luxury of turning down a paycheck.

Julie

February 16th, 2010
1:00 pm

I do and it’s great feeling to not have any debt. Need to borrow a few bucks?

Wayne

February 16th, 2010
1:03 pm

That would be ‘machine’ and NOT ‘maching’…

DB

February 16th, 2010
1:04 pm

I met Truett Cathey briefly about 8 years ago, at a booksigning for one of his books. We took our son with us, as he was interested in meeting him, too. I was so impressed with how Mr. Cathey greeted us kindly, but REALLY zeroed in on my son, asking him questions about his life, etc. At the time, my son was in the 8th grade, and I didn’t know that Mr. Cathey had spent over 40 years teaching 8th grade boys Sunday School. He later wrote a book, “It’s Better to Build Boys than Mend Men” discussing his belief on the importance for young teenage boys to have strong role models that taught them discipline, hard work and values and showed them how to live those values. He zeroed in on 8th grade boys, because he felt that it was a particularly vulnerable time, between puberty, peer pressure and developing the habits that would carry them successfully through high school and life. My son was dazzled, not just with meeting Truett Cathey, but that he had actually taken an interest in him.

And if you think it’s tough being a Christian in a Sunday busines world — try being an observant Jew! I’m not, but we have friends who are, and they have been long resigned themselves to a world that pretty much ignores the fact that their Saturday mornings are as sacrosanct as many Christians’ Sunday mornings. In fact, there is at least one group of several Girl Scout troops whose families are Jewish and have banded together to provide activities for the girls outside of the Saturday mornings that are often scheduled. In club soccer, we actually ended up with a game on an Easter one year, because Easter was very late that year, and the season had been remarkably wet with rainouts. Combined with the Japanese students who weren’t Christian, the Jewish kids, the agnostic kids, the Christian kids were sorta outnumbered, so we had a game Easter Sunday afternoon. It was a beautiful day, too, and we just changed up our family tradition of an Easter meal to an elaborate Easter picnic and invited some family members to join us at a park after we were finished with the game. It was fun :-)

@MJG: I hear the Hilton in Hawaii is quite nice . . . :-)

Erin

February 16th, 2010
1:05 pm

No, I’m just fine; but I do sympathize with those who aren’t – including many of those at the sort of jobs that were mentioned.
I did also work jobs I had less choice about to get here; and sometimes the consequences are rather harsh. Not everyone starts out in their dream job.

JJ

February 16th, 2010
1:05 pm

No debt over here either……but I still would not turn down a paycheck.

1sus

February 16th, 2010
1:06 pm

Sunday is the only day that my husband does not work a good part of the year, so I, for one, don’t mind kids’ activities on Sundays, so that he can activitly participate. I’ve never had something that hasn’t allowed time for morning services, so that hasn’t been an issue. After school and homework is very hectic for us and I find the one day that we have a 6-7:00 p.m. activitie scheduled is the day I DREAD! So I welcome Sunday opportunties for activities, and I consider that family time in a way.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
1:10 pm

so erin you would be a prostitute or a stripper ?? even if that was against your grain?

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
1:15 pm

@ DB, been to Hawaii three times and stayed in a condo each time. We did drive past the Hilton in Waleila ( sp) and it is gorgeous but not enough room for a family of 4…we need a kitchen and washer/ dryer….LOL.

I do not think I will go back to Hawaii…ever…too far but it is beautiful! They do have great promos on the points on a Hilton American Express card…some of our friend’s grown up kids went and loved it.

Now Alaska is a different story altogether!

Erin

February 16th, 2010
1:18 pm

If it were that or my family starving I might have a choice to make then, wouldn’t I? Luckily, I’ve worked to keep myself from having to make that choice.
Seriously, you agree 100% with everything every company you’ve worked for does? You think all people could afford to just not work for any industry that is not their religion, that perhaps employs child labor or underpays overseas, etc?
Not everyone is born rich. Sometimes people need to pay bills. Sometimes people have to take care of themselves while they move up. What jobs would you have some 16 year old on the street with no money do, if they are not of the appropriate belief system for the few local fast food jobs, while unemployment is at such a high?

Yes, I work at a job where the employees have all prayed together many times, where I was told to work extra hours in order to make up for a holiday party I had little interest in. You know what? It’ll get me the experience to chose a more suitable place later. In the meantime, my job does something helpful for the soldiers and I’ll do everything I can – and ignore all the rest of it that I can.

If you seriously have been in a situation all your life where you could chose to stop working indefinitely and never worry about a bill, then you are lucky – but most of the world is not.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
1:24 pm

Erin you are either an idiot or a new person on here… I am about as piss pore as they come but if My gut tells me not to take that job I wont.. even if it means finding something else…. If you can get a job at chick a flick you can also get one at burger king.

BlondeHoney

February 16th, 2010
1:31 pm

Poor lulu I have to stick up for her; I too am not a churchgoer but I have good values and morals nonetheless. There are many so-called christian churchgoers that have an attitude of “I’m a better person than you because I go to church and you don’t”; frankly, no you are not any better or worse than me and I for one am tired of it. And if an atheist ran for president, he’s got my vote :)
On topic I prefer activities earlier rather than later on Sunday, always have…need Sunday sfternoon to regroup, get ready for the week ahead

Erin

February 16th, 2010
1:31 pm

If everyone had that belief, we would only have straight white protestant males in 90% of the workplaces out there – while everyone else fights for the last 10% or starves. We don’t, and I don’t see why we should.

ZachsMom

February 16th, 2010
1:37 pm

Working on Sundays does have a few advantages. Off today, went to the bank, pharmacy and library and there was no wait. I did get to eat at Chick Filet today since I was in Gainesville because Zachary had a Doctors appointment.

My goal is that once a month…myself, husband and son all have the day off together. I work 12 hrs shifts with every other weekend off, husband has a M-F 8-5 24hr on call job. Zachary is in high school and all that involves, plus he has to spend time with his dad (see yesterdays post). It has been nice to have today off…but I am at home alone.

My parents figured out a long time ago that they were never going to get ALL of the kids and grandkids there at one time. They schedule something and if you can come GREAT…if not that is ok too. I remember the 1st year that my husband and I were married. I had to work Christmas day and Zachary was with his dad, so I sent my husband to the inlaws ALL BY HIM SELF. Still don’t think that he has forgiven me for that one.

Becky…I work in prison and I see inmates find “god” all the time. The one thing that most leave in their cell when they leave…..the bible.

Erin

February 16th, 2010
1:38 pm

Thank you all for reminding me why exactly everyone is “Christian” in a workplace – why you never notice the ones who aren’t – and why I left church in the first place. How dare I express a view that tolerance, family and a healthy lifestyle be a more pressing concern for some?

NFulton

February 16th, 2010
1:38 pm

Jane-

Quote from the EEOC website: “It is illegal for an employer to discriminate against a job applicant because of his or her race, color, religion, sex (including pregnancy), national origin, age (40 or older), disability or genetic information.”

Maybe I’m missing your point.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
1:41 pm

That is right Erin… pull the everyone is not a christain when they say they are card….. **yawn**

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February 16th, 2010
1:47 pm

Just to try to not hurt Theresa’s feelings about not reading her topics and just responding to the more outrageous positions taken on this site…I don’t mind Sunday events for my kid, its not like I’ve got a church appts to make! I will tell you I don’t like 11:30 AM Sunday events for the kid, because we’ve got one of those pretty big churches on a main street from my place to town and there is such a traffic jam when they break at 11:00 that I have to leave early just to get to where I need to be on time! And the road rage they exhibit in the traffic jam of their own creation after a worship session is hilarious! I think that might be why attendance might be down…who really likes the traffic and parking problems they have to suffer through?

Regarding the relationship between church going and morality…I haven’t been to church other than for weddings since 1982 and after reading a lot of the posts here from frequent churchgoers…I feel comparatively moral, decent, and kind. ;-) Actually I think Jesus digs me and thinks I’m funny and wouldn’t hold a little thing like not attending church against me.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
1:47 pm

NFulton yea and some dont have the money to pursue this either.. they would rather put food on their table

JJ

February 16th, 2010
1:51 pm

Some are Sunday Christians. And Easter Christians, and Christmas Christians……some are christian when it’s convenient……

5!!!

February 16th, 2010
1:52 pm

“Hey 5, thanks to your parenting philosophy, white water and six flags have become gang land”

What? One of the two of us has poor reading comprehension.

Either I don’t understand what you are writing, or you don’t understand me.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
1:53 pm

but then there are those that go regularly and are godly people

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February 16th, 2010
1:55 pm

JJ and Julia…..but lets not also leave out the Christians who are 24/7 and really, really bad people too.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
1:59 pm

I know tiger.. and they are in every walk of life… its means free will of man and of doing what they want to. but there are those out there that are godly people an try to do the right thing….

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
2:00 pm

@ tiger…too funny. I urge my husband not to put any kind of church bumper sticker on his car as he can be a nutcase driver. He hollers at most everyone around him as if they can hear him. We do have some real morons in Atlanta! I love driving in Arkansas….no hurry no worry!

We once decided NOT to go to a particular church as it took over 30 minutes to get out of the parking lot. I do not want stress on Sunday ( my usual but not always day off) , as I have it all week long when I am being paid to handle it.

Not sure how Jesus feels about you and this is NONE of my business at all! I do think you are funny and bring a lot to the blog. I go to church ( as some go to synagogue) as I think God or Jesus would like to see his children have some kind of commitment to spending time in his house, every once in while. Kind of like my kids saying I really dig them but they never stop in for a visit. I’m just sayin…..
Yes, I can visit with my kids in a boat on the lake or at the beach under an umbrella or in the ballpark but when they come to see me at my house…that sort of says something ( to me and it may be just me).

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February 16th, 2010
2:01 pm

@Julia….you’re right…just like there are lots of non-godly people out there trying to do the right thing. I count myself amongst them.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
2:07 pm

tiger there is a big difference in being godly and perfect. no one other than the one that hung on the cross is perfect. we all make mistakes, Christians or not. I am not a bible thumping “you are going to hell because you dont have my values” but if you do ask me why I feel they way I do, I will try to explain.

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February 16th, 2010
2:10 pm

@Julia…ahhhh, but isn’t it the conventional Christian position that I’m not making it through the pearly gates if I don’t accept Jesus as my saviour? If I recall correctly when I read the bible, to not do that is kind of a deal breaker.

Yes, Tiger...

February 16th, 2010
2:11 pm

…that assumption on how to get through the “pearly gates” is correct.

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February 16th, 2010
2:13 pm

@MJG…..”Kind of like my kids saying I really dig them but they never stop in for a visit. I’m just sayin…..”

Yet you love your children unconditionally and the same whether they visit or not, I would presume.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
2:14 pm

Again Tiger that is my belief…

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February 16th, 2010
2:16 pm

@Yes, Tiger……well there ya go. Murderers who truly repent and accept the saviour the night before their executions get to join the club, and I’m out.

Oh well. Glad I’m not one to take things personally.

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February 16th, 2010
2:18 pm

@Julia…so I’m not going to hell because I don’t share your values, but because I won’t accept Jesus as my saviour…..Tomato, tomahto.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
2:18 pm

Tiger that is your “choice” :)

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
2:19 pm

YES I do love my children either way but I would be terribly hurt if they never came to visit me and perhaps would even wonder if they did care about me at all.

Someone told me this years ago and I stick with it;

YOU MAKE TIME FOR WHAT IS IMPORTANT TO YOU

This is harder to do every day!

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February 16th, 2010
2:21 pm

@Julia…you’re right…it’s even my choice without the quotes bookending the word. ;-)

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February 16th, 2010
2:23 pm

@MJG…and seeing how Jesus would presumably have an insight to me that you don’t even possess with your children…my guess is that he gets me and isn’t hurt at all about not congregating to sing his praises.

5!!!

February 16th, 2010
2:26 pm

Actually, the bible says that if you forgive men when they sin against you, you’re heavenly father will forgive you your sins. If not, then not.

That part is in red.

Lots of magic word Christians. If I say this, then this. But its pretty clear to anyone who actually reads the book that “The Way” was simply a belief that God will treat you how you treat other people.

So, assuming that Christians are right and Jesus was who he said he was, then so long as you treat others good, you’re good, even if you don’t believe in Jesus.

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
2:27 pm

Ya know tiger…you could be absolutely right! Sometimes my insight is WAY off kilter with my own kids and since I am not perfect ( as Jesus is)…that makes sense too! Not mine to judge at all.

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
2:30 pm

5!!!…I believe the red part means that Jesus spoke it. Not all Bibles have His words in red, so then how would we tell which words are the most important?

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February 16th, 2010
2:32 pm

@5!!!!…..good to know there is a loophole there! Now when you say that part is in red…was it originally printed in red, did God say to whomever was dictating for him that day “make sure you put that part in red”, or was that editorial discretion at the latest printing?

@MJG….who knows…now THAT is the eternal question.

5!!!

February 16th, 2010
2:32 pm

I guess whichever words stick out the most to you. I particularly am fond of the 3rd chapter of Acts promoting Communism.

Jane

February 16th, 2010
2:32 pm

@NFulton – you missed the point. You need to re-read EXACTLY what you wrote. You wrote:

“it’s a federal law to prohibit job discrimination.”

I said for you to rethink that one. You said that it’s a federal law to PROHIBIT job discrimination. In other words you said it’s illegal to stop someone from discrimination. See? You got your words mixed up.

Lisa

February 16th, 2010
2:35 pm

Tiger’s getting off on his soapbox again! (and I do mean GETTING-OFF).

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February 16th, 2010
2:40 pm

@Lisa…just trying to figure out the rules of the eternal bliss game ;-)

Julia

February 16th, 2010
2:42 pm

I do not feel the need to poke the bear or separate hairs on this…. Tiger, you miss the point. it is my belief and it does not have to be yours but I will not get on here to just counter every thing you say about your beliefs.. sometimes its good to take the high road or JUST LET IT GO :)

Julia

February 16th, 2010
2:46 pm

Tiger here is a very good read for you..My Decent Into Death. Its by Howard Storm. Its not a big book but it is very profound

lakerat

February 16th, 2010
2:46 pm

Wow, Tiger, you are getting a little (or, actually, a lot) off base as to what the original question for today is. And to 5!!!, the “red letters” in the Bible are highlighted that way to outline words that Jesus actually spoke (I know, I know – translations are subject to change, but the gist of the intent is that Jesus’ words were spoken and recorded as such).

There are many on this blog, Tiger, who would welcome a chance to sit down with you regarding your questions about Christ, the church, and Christianity. But, this is not the proper forum for that, so we, or at least I, ask that you refrain from getting so far off topic in your attempts to ridicule that which you do not believe, and stick to the subject du jour.

Thanks

Becky

February 16th, 2010
2:47 pm

Off topic, but here goes..We have a new baby girl in our family as of about one hour ago..

JJ

February 16th, 2010
2:47 pm

Ya’ll do know the bible was written 400 years AFTER christ. Who knew what he said then?

Sam

February 16th, 2010
2:52 pm

Hey Tiger, choke on my prayer stick.

5!!!

February 16th, 2010
2:52 pm

“Ya’ll do know the bible was written 400 years AFTER christ. Who knew what he said then?”

Well, the bible is actually a collection of books that were “cannonized” by the Council of Nicea in the 4th century. However, all of the books, letters, and other writings were penned much earlier. Some as early as 50AD-100AD.

Anyway, whats really interesting isn’t so much whats in the Bible, as what was left out and why.

lakerat

February 16th, 2010
2:53 pm

JJ – the red letter “words of Christ” only appear in the 4 Gospels – all of those are first hand accounts and were passed down in the generations after Christ’s death. History then is like history today – how do we know that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor? History is ALWAYS written AFTER THE FACT!

Rebecca

February 16th, 2010
2:54 pm

“There are many so-called christian churchgoers that have an attitude of “I’m a better person than you because I go to church and you don’t” ”

LOL – I would really like to know where you meet people like this. Personally never met anyone that has displayed this attitude towards me – verbally or otherwise. Maybe it is YOU. Paranoid perhaps? Maybe these “Christians” are reacting to some obscure behavior or attitude of yours? Tolerance is a 2 way street.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
2:54 pm

awwwww becky how sweet! :)

Julia

February 16th, 2010
2:55 pm

Rebecca or it could be the spirit has the mirror in their face and they do not like what they see for them selves

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February 16th, 2010
2:59 pm

@lakerat…fair enough..but if the day ever comes that you’re talking about anything other than the topic at hand, don’t get surprised if I call you on it. ;-)

@MJG…you know, I had actually written in the comment box “consider it let go”, and then I saw your book recommendation. Was that your way of letting it go? Just curious, out of deference to lakerat, I actually will let it go.

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February 16th, 2010
3:00 pm

@lakerat….I find your explanation about the symbolism of red letters in the Bible to be a tad bit off topic today. I had no idea I would get to remind you of that so soon. ;-)

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February 16th, 2010
3:04 pm

Awww Sam….I’m blushing.

Julia

February 16th, 2010
3:05 pm

Tiger you really can not see an act of kindness can you?

lakerat

February 16th, 2010
3:06 pm

Touche’, Tiger, but I must warn you, you really do not want to get into “who can be a bigger smart azz” contest with me…

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
3:07 pm

@ tiger…I think Julia actually recommended the book….I have not read it.

Well . . .

February 16th, 2010
3:08 pm

Tiger, I believe you should be speaking to Julia about the “let it go” comment, because she said @
2:42, “I will not get on here to just counter everything you say about your beliefs …”, but we all know better, don’t we?

Julia

February 16th, 2010
3:08 pm

where is dar when you need her! :)

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February 16th, 2010
3:10 pm

@MJG…my bad MJG….I did actually mean to direct that comment at Julia…I write you so often it’s just become second nature for me to put in your initials for some reason. Kind of like how I text my wife when I mean to text someone else…just habit! ;-)

Julia

February 16th, 2010
3:10 pm

can some one please hand me a tissue… what “well” said has just crushed me to were I just can not go on another day longer…

Julia

February 16th, 2010
3:11 pm

just like when you text the wife and it really was to go to the mistress?? :)

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February 16th, 2010
3:11 pm

@Well….just for the record, I haven’t uttered one word about religious beliefs since 2:42. Nor do I intend to.

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February 16th, 2010
3:12 pm

@Julia…..a tragic and untimely mistake from a man who would benefit from my counsel! ;-)

Julia

February 16th, 2010
3:12 pm

Tiger I was picking on you about the texting…. I really do not think you cheat on your wife :)

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February 16th, 2010
3:13 pm

@Julia…I got it! gave me a good chuckle!

Julia

February 16th, 2010
3:15 pm

good. it was just that door was left wide open and one smart ass to another, someone was gonna pounce :)

Becky

February 16th, 2010
3:17 pm

Theresa, what happened to your new topic about the Mother having to fly 2-3 rows away from her child??

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February 16th, 2010
3:17 pm

@Julia…it’s the slippery slope I manuever with a moniker like mine!

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February 16th, 2010
3:19 pm

@lakerat…..sounds like a challenge…..;-)

lakerat

February 16th, 2010
3:22 pm

Nah, too far off topic…

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February 16th, 2010
3:24 pm

@lakerat…fair enough, I’m not here to cause trouble.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

February 16th, 2010
4:12 pm

new topic up for your afternoon pleasure — would you sit rows away from your 2-year-old on a plane?? One mom’s fight with US Airways.

http://blogs.ajc.com/momania/2010/02/16/mom-fights-us-airways-via-her-blog-would-you-sit-separated-from-your-2-year-old/

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

February 16th, 2010
4:13 pm

Becky – I pulled it while waiting for a response from the airlines — still waiting but I gave them about 2 hours before putting it up — hopefully we’ll hear from them.

hlb

February 16th, 2010
4:30 pm

So for those complaining about children’s birthday party times, what times do you suggest for a party? Seriously, I have to plan one in April.

Jane and Julia

February 16th, 2010
5:23 pm

@Jane and @Julia, please go away. I’m tired of reading your comments. It’s posters like you that have made me less interested in this blog.

Kate

February 16th, 2010
5:33 pm

As I read through most of these posts the same theme pops out; to busy, to busy, to busy. It takes brave people to jump off the treadmill and stroll comfortably through this beautiful life with their morals, their gratitude and their shockingly bare calendars held securely to their hearts.

DB

February 16th, 2010
5:41 pm

@hlb: Plan it to suit yourself. If they can come, they will. If they can’t or don’t want to, they won’t. You are (obviously, from this blog!) never going to please everyone, “so you might as well please yourself!”

Julia

February 16th, 2010
6:53 pm

Jane and Julia who ever you are.. it sure sucks to be you

motherjanegoose

February 16th, 2010
7:32 pm

@ Jane and Julia…is that supposed to be clever?

There are many on this blog who dislike one poster or another. Lots of folks dislike me…some however like me. There are also some posters whose opinions I do not care for. Oh well…I have neighbors and relatives I do not care for either LOL.

Anyone who has been here for a while knows that EVERYONE is allowed and Theresa is really the only one who can make anyone go away…by banning their e-mail. This rarely happens unless things get WAY out of hand.

DB once said it best…kinda like first grade….if we ignore those we do not want to play with, they may get the message. So far, it does not seem like anyone is ignoring Jane or Julia…just my opinion. I guess we could ignore you and that might work? I have nothing AT ALL against you but am disappointed with all posters who do not use any kind of actual name, rather mesh together something someone else said…that’s just me.

@ Kate good point to ponder in your 5:33 post. I will say that there are some nights I just put on my P.J.s at 8:00 and enjoy a cup of hot tea and a good book…taking time to relax…love it!

zoe

February 17th, 2010
2:40 pm

Thersa- saw your post from yesterday about the ITBS test book, you can’t (and shouldn’t) prep for the ITBS. It is nationally normed, prepping for it defeats the purpose of the test. According to the ITBS website the purpose of the test is to: (1) to describe each student’s developmental level within a test area, (2) to identify a student’s areas of relative strength and weakness in subject areas, and (3) to monitor year-to-year growth in the basic skills.

If your friend is trying to get her kid into gifted using ITBS scores, she is doing a disservice to the gifted teacher and the students who qualified for gifted on their own merits. Like it or not, 50% of the students taking the test are above the average score, 50% are below. Unfortunately, we all can’t live in Lake Wobegon.

motherjanegoose

February 17th, 2010
4:30 pm

@ zoe…LOL…do southerners know what Lake Wobegon is? I loved to listen to the stories on tape!