Duggars: Should medical issues mean no more kids?

(AP Photo)

(AP Photo)

Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar surprised a lot of people when they recently told People magazine they are still open to having more kids despite their most recent baby – their 19th child – being born more than three months early and struggling to live with multiple medical issues. (This particular article is not featured online, but here is the most recent story about the Duggars on People.com.)

Mom Michelle had preeclampsia, pregnancy induced high-blood pressure, and the baby girl had to be taken by C-section in December.

Jim Bob and Michelle talk frequently about why they want to have as many kids as the Lord will give them. (The story is on their Web site.)

Michelle miscarried after she conceived on birth control pills. The doctors felt the miscarriage was because of the pills. At that point they decided to they shouldn’t use contraceptives and be open to how ever many kids they conceive whenever they conceive.

Doctors in the People article suggest that the preeclampsia could be a problem in any future pregnancies and additional health problems could arise as Michelle is 43.

People did have some interesting quotes on having multiple babies that I had never heard before:

“ ‘The risks of additional pregnancies tart to go up dramatically after four,’ warns Dr. Jeffrey Richardson,a Ventura, Calif., obstetrician who had practiced for more than 30 years.”

“ ‘Postpartum hemorrhage, dysfunctional labor, preterm labor and early miscarriage are all risks.’ ”

The article says the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists says pregnancies should be spaced out at least 18 months. (I think Rose was 16 months old when I got pregnant with Walsh.)

The article also reported that based on the Bible, The Duggars abstain from sex 40 days after having a boy and 80 days after having a girl.

The Duggars say in People: “Each child is a gift from God.”  Jim Bob adds, “The negatives don’t bother us.” Agrees Michelle: “Our hearts haven’t changed.”

There are many faiths that for many reasons preach that parents need to always be open to conception and there are loads of reasons why people think having as many kids as you can conceive in a lifetime is excessive, but I really want to focus on the medical issues alone.

At what point do medical factors override that openness to having children? At what point does Mom’s health or baby’s potential health change being open to conceiving any time you are having sex?

277 comments Add your comment

Jeff in ATL

February 10th, 2010
3:32 pm

@motherjanegoose: that’s just the CTC, what about all the dough for each dependent?

JATL

February 10th, 2010
3:33 pm

@Tiger -yes, I would think Bill Gates was doing us and the earth a disservice AND I would certainly think he was dumb! There’s a difference between academic intelligence and common sense. Anyone electing to have this many kids is S-T-U-P-I-D!

@Jeff in Roswell -not overly self-righteous or judgmental -certainly not any more than you! Of course this is an OPINION blog, and my opinion is that these people are dumb, overpopulating religious nuts who need to shut down the baby factory.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
3:33 pm

@Jeff in ATL..I would disagree with you Jeff. I bet they have a VERY good CPA who does a tax plan for them every year and makes sure that they make estimated tax payments that roughly equal their tax liability, therefore reducing, if not eliminating, the amount of their tax refund. Putting in a bunch of money just to get a refund is what unsofisticated taxpayers do. If this guy holds commercial properties and has a TV contract, I doubt he (or his CPA) does his return at the end of the year wondering what the end result is going to be.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
3:34 pm

did I just spell unsophisticated with an “f”…..I’ve got to go hide under a rock for a while!

Way

February 10th, 2010
3:37 pm

I admire them. Their kids seem to be very well raised and there seems to be a lot of love in the family. They should serve as an example to many dysfunctional american families with spoiled kids in $100 sneakers and $200 jeans who have all the entitelment in the world and have no idea what responsibility is.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
3:38 pm

@JATL…so if he has 5, you’ll still hold out hope that he’s smart because he has the sames goals for his children as you outlined, but the minute the 6th is born, he’s stupid. Interesting. I didn’t know intelligence was that malleable.

Jeff in ATL

February 10th, 2010
3:39 pm

“estimated tax payments that roughly equal their tax liability”

It is possible for people to have a “negative” tax liability, isn’t it? Say throughout the year they pay in $8,000 (over 24 or 26 paychecks) then at the end of the year get more than $8,000 back after filing a return?

Mitsy

February 10th, 2010
3:40 pm

The Duggar’s are not on public assistance but they could not possibly afford to feed/clothe all those children if they didn’t have the TLC show. In other words, Jim Bob is making money off his cash cow which is Michelle. I believe that they would likely be in the poor house had it not been for the TV show. You can’t spend $3,000 a month for groceries alone on what he’s taking in on rental property monies. They should have quit having kids about 6 kids ago. Michelle cannot parent or mother that many children and she simply doesn’t because the older Duggar girls are raising the younger ones. That’s totally unfair to them and unfair to the toddlers who never really get to bond with their Mom. Jim Bob needs to learn to abstain if they won’t use birth control. The family is a train wreck and they are not role models for society. Most Christians do not think they are the poster family for Christian values. They are actually pretty ignorant and pathetic.

MomsRule

February 10th, 2010
3:40 pm

@Tiger – hehehe! thanks for the giggle. ;-)

TallaDawg92

February 10th, 2010
3:42 pm

Many people on here worry about mooching or being on the public dime, and approve as long as the Duggers can “afford” all of the kids. The environmental impact of 19 kids IS mooching off of future generations. Whatever the number, there is a finite number of people that the earth will support. We as humans no longer need to populate the earth from the Biblical perspective. It is time we cared for the earth that God gave us as a home.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
3:42 pm

@Jeff in ATL…that typically only happens for low income folks who qualify for refundable tax credits. There are a litany of credits that are eliminated once your AGI gets to a certain level, and it’s not extraordinarily high….a two income family make $60K each will are seeing the reductions in credits. It’s possible, but I think with the income they are likely making, in my professional opinion as a CPA with tax experience, it’s highly unlikely that the Duggars are getting that deal.

Jeff

February 10th, 2010
3:43 pm

Mitsy. why does JimBob need to be the one to abstain?

motherjanegoose

February 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

@ tiger…that’s it…I am flying out to Colorado to have lunch with YOU and to discuss MY taxes….LOL. Can I afford you?

Yes, I am sure they make too much money but is it not true there are those ( with large families) who get back more than they pay due to the things I mentioned?

LOL…my accountant keeps telling me she is moving to Utah, with her daughter and I tell her that I WILL find her.

I am not trying to rile up the homeschool parents, I am not an advocate of homeschooling but again that is just me. I have spent over 25 years with kids in school buildings and that is what I do.

HOW do you homeschool say 12 out of 18 kids at one time. To me, this is like making lasagne, grits, a wedding cake, minestrone, and canning pickles all at the same time.

I worked with almost 300 four-six year olds today but we were all doing the same thing at the same time.

I’LL ADMIT THAT I AM NOT INTELLIGENT ENOUGH TO TEACH PHONICS, MULTIPLICATION TABLES, MEMORIZING THE CAPITALS OF ALL THE STATES, CURSIVE HANDWRITING, LATIN, BIOLOGY, CALCULUS AND ECONOMICS TO MY KIDS IN AN EFFECTIVE MANNER.

My hat is off to any homeschooling parent who is able to do a bang up job on this…I mean it!

MomsRule

February 10th, 2010
3:44 pm

@Mitsy, I’m curious, how do you know what they are making on their rental properties? Has it been mentioned on the show or something?

Jeff in ATL

February 10th, 2010
3:46 pm

“in my professional opinion as a CPA with tax experience, it’s highly unlikely that the Duggars are getting that deal.”

Unless they have a CPA better than you, then they might be, eh? ;)

M1chelle

February 10th, 2010
3:48 pm

Sorry to hear about your sister Becky. I agree totally. This doesn’t apply to the Duggars, but it is unfair that there are honest, hard-working people who make minimum wage and then there’s people who cheat the sytstem and get free food, money, healthcare, and subsidized living. You know that Section 8 is not what it used to be – crowded apartements. People can rent very nice homes on Section 8 nowadays and pay very little in rent.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
3:49 pm

@MJG…sure it’s true…but unless I’m mistaken, the shot was taken at the Duggars, not the general public. :-) Plus, blaming anyone for taking advantage of the tax law in every legal means possible is just silly. Hate the game, not the players.

How many of you drive 55 because it’s better for the environment? I’m betting you drive 75 because that’s the legal limit.

And if you’re not paying more than you legally have to for taxes, it’s pretty hypocritical to slam on those who also take full legal advantage of the tax laws as they stand.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
3:51 pm

@Jeff in ATL…I know people who are tax cheats…lots of them. the Duggars don’t fit the mold. I could be wrong, but i bet they do whatever is legally afforded them, and not a penny more.

Kitty

February 10th, 2010
3:51 pm

s – I’m sorry, but your comments made me laugh out loud! I’ve often wondered what thrill is left for him because he probably just falls in …

There will be no early menopause for Michelle; the more times you are pregnant the later your menopause begins, since the nine months you are pregnant you aren’t releasing eggs, so your supply lasts longer and your menopause is delayed.

I feel less animosity toward the Duggars because they take financial responsibility for their own and do seem caring and loving – although I agree with all the posters that wonder how they can bond individually with every single child. I also think that those who feel the older children might resent having to take care of the younger children haven’t considered that, in most situations where this happens, there is resentment because the older children are forced into this involuntary servitude and the families are not loving and economically sound – which in my opinion makes a huge difference in their attitude toward their forced slavery.

The Duggars have been uncommonly lucky so far with the births of 18 healthy children. My college roommate got pregnant with her third child too soon after her second was born; her son was delivered prematurely because her uterus wasn’t strong enough to hold him in; he spent many months in the NICU, and still has permanent neurological issues in adulthood. I would like to think that they would not take a chance on having another preemie after this experience, but something tells me that that would not be part of their plan.

I feel nothing but contempt for the Gosselins and OctoMom, who are milking their families for all they are worth. I saw a news piece on OctoMom the other day, and it was appallingly clear that she had had some serious plastic surgery on her midsection, and she was made up, with false eyelashes no less – for the piece. And Kate Gosselin – with her new hair extensions – is an egomaniac of the first order. Both of these women seem to have no compunction about accepting both anonymous, and taxpayer, financial assistance to maintain their images. In their cases, it’s not at all about their kids. Disgusting.

anon

February 10th, 2010
3:53 pm

Anyone that believes a higher power tells them to have as many kids as possible is out of their mind. And it’s for this reason that they should not be allowed to have ANY kids and spread their lunacy.

Over population much? People should have to pass a sanity test and get a license in order to breed. These people would not pass the test…

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
3:54 pm

Let’s also not discount another difference between the Duggars and Octomom and Gosselins. From what I can tell, the Duggars aren’t going to extraordinary measures to conceive, whereas there was lots of fertility help with those other two. the duggars are all natural, from what I can tell. Not relying on medical assistance to conceive should count for something in the compare and contrast between the Octomom, Gosselins and Duggars.

motherjanegoose

February 10th, 2010
3:55 pm

@ tiger….I almost always drive too fast….GUILTY!

BUT 2 tickets for me ( since I got my license in 1975)…one in Ohio and one in Iowa….going 63 in a 55 on a farm road. Considering how many miles I cover in metro Atlanta each week, it is laughable.
Both tickets were in RED rental cars and while it is my favorite color….I would not drive one if it was given to me!

Single Mom in ATL

February 10th, 2010
4:05 pm

I don’t think that God wants anyone to be irresponsible. That’s what they are being at this point.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
4:07 pm

@MJG and Jeff and ATL…assuming that the Duggars are on the up and up with their taxes, this year when you do yours and your refund is $2000, when you write the IRS and tell them, “just send me a grand and keep the change”, THEN you can make the tax benefit argument to me and I won’t call BS on you.

If you think about it, they’re a living example of the conservative right philosophy. Lower taxes and spend money in the community. You should be happy if they’re not spending money on taxes because that is more money going directly to your local supermarket, mechanic, and charitable organizations that would otherwise be going to the govt.

JATL

February 10th, 2010
4:29 pm

@Tiger -you have to draw the line somewhere. If you have 5 kids and don’t get “fixed” or use a damn good form of birth control to prevent more, then YES, you’re irresponsible! I think 5 is too many, but it’s not in the realm of complete craziness like these fools.

cld

February 10th, 2010
4:32 pm

I can’t even follow all the tax back-and-forth discussion, but I am impressed by Tiger this afternoon.

The derogatory comment from Jeff about whether the Duggars would owe or get a refund at the end of the year . . . really has nothing to do with total tax obligation. Their total annual taxes could be $20,000 with a $1,000 refund, or it could be $30,000 with them owing $1,000. Who are we to care? As long as they settle up with the IRS and are getting their quarterly estimats close enough (I understand you’re obligated to be off by no more than 10% at the end of any given quarter), then what do I care whether they withheld more, less or exactly the same as their total due?

Two things are certain in this country. Taxes and death. If you’re making money, you’re paying taxes. If the government says they don’t have to pay taxes on $XXX of their income because they have XX dependents, then we can’t judge the family for that – it’s the government’s rule.

I do find it funny that most of the discussion has been about anything but medicine . . .

cld

February 10th, 2010
4:33 pm

*estimats should have been estimates.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
4:37 pm

@JATL….I think you should restate your sentence..

Instead of “you have to draw the line somewhere”

You should say

“I have to draw the line somewhere”

that’s kind of my point. You can have your opinion for what YOU think is right for YOU. But when you project your opinion on others, then you’re getting into dangerous territory.

I have one kid..he’s all I want. I’m happy with him and my family. I have caught UNGODLY grief from those with two and more kids because I made the decision to not give my kid a sibling (or more). But it’s right for me, just like 2 is right for you, and the Duggars feel that 19 is right for them.

You would be up in arms if I told you, I have one, and you, JATL, are STUPID for having more than that. You are STUPID for replacing you and your wife with two of your own in the midst of a population explosion. You are STUPID for spreading your resources among two kids when one could get more of them. Basically, you are STUPID because you decided what is right for you is different than what I feel is right for everyone.

I just can’t go there, and I will vehemently oppose those who do.

Jeff in Roswell

February 10th, 2010
4:37 pm

Yeah Tiger! JATL said the limit should be 5 kids and gosh darn it all – people should listen! JATL has thought about this long and hard and 5 kids seems about right to her/him so 5 kids should be the right amount for everybody. Okay, how do we get this made into law? Let’s get er dun!

motherjanegoose

February 10th, 2010
4:40 pm

@tiger…not sure I’ve ever gotten a $2000 refund. I play things pretty close and pay estimated.
We are usually plus or minus $500 to $1000. I like to keep my money all year instead of getting a fat check….LOL. I prefer to pay what I owe.

We did get a $2 refund once and signed the return to tell the IRS to KEEP IT as it would take more than $2 to process, stamp and deliver it. Of course, we got it back! LOL

I would never argue with you on this one tiger, if you are into numbers, you have my respect…I hate numbers….hahaha! My accountant tells me I am organized but it is a job I hate to do.

DB

February 10th, 2010
4:41 pm

I think it’s interesting that so many people are predicting that Michelle will have health problems, yada-yada-yada, if she “keeps it up.”

Consider this: Michelle may just be one of those people who were born to be a prolific mother. It’s a “gift”, if you will. Those who have had problem pregnancies, etc., may not be able to identify, by obviously, being pregnant and having children is something that Michelle obviously excels at — just like an Olympic runner, or a talented artist.

She has been fortunate that she and her husband have been able to fully enjoy her gift. Her children are being raised differently than perhaps you or I would have – but different is not necessarily badly. It’s just DIFFERENT. Personally, I don’t see anything wrong with children being raised to understand what it is to be needed, to have work that needs to be done, and to have responsibilities to those around us. In fact, it’s only been in this last century when “child-centered” families have burgeoned – where children were coddled and helicoptered to the point where so many children these days are depressed, suffer from lack of self-esteem, etc. I’m better that the Dugger children don’t suffer from depression or lack of self-esteem — they know they are vital parts to their family, and they have useful work to do that helps them develop the confidence to deal with the world. AND, they are not seen as a “financial drain” on their family, as so many children are these days. How many children grow up these days aware of how much they are costing their parents — because the parents are constantly telling them? Would being constantly told that you are a cost, not an asset, be a contributing factor to many kids’ feelings of being disconnected to the world?

Just thinkin’ outloud, here . . .

motherjanegoose

February 10th, 2010
4:43 pm

@ cld…me too about the medical aspect…where is HB…she is usually the topic police ( on me) when I veer off course and I plainly stated this morning:

Since you want to focus on the medical aspect and I have no verifiable comment here, I will pass and be interested in the medical aspects others share.

Now, things are up for grabs!

BTW where is our friend Julia? Hope she is o.k.!!!!

Jeff in Roswell

February 10th, 2010
4:46 pm

DB, I’ve been thinking the same thing. Maybe the Duggars are exceptional parents. Maybe, like you said, pregnancies are easy for her. Why do people have to begrudge them? I just don’t get it.

Becky

February 10th, 2010
4:47 pm

Wow, I’m glad that my Mother didn’t stop at 5 kids, if she had of, my sweet little self would not be on this blog yaking..

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
4:50 pm

Now keeping in mind all my rants defending the Duggars for their right to make the decision to have 19 kids…I think they’re crazy as sh*t for actually doing it! ;-)

But I’ll defend with my life their rights to! ;-)

motherjanegoose

February 10th, 2010
4:57 pm

@ DB…your points are good ones.

I, for one, would go LOONEY TUNES if I thought I would have to be a ( stay at home) mother to 18 kids, or even 6. I love my 2 kids but there is more to my life than cleaning, cooking, laundry and homeschooling.

My sister tells me that her neighbor has 10 kids ( right now). Her takes is that you have to be hyper organized ( as in the Duggars) or totally LAID BACK ( as in her neighbor).

I remember having a neighbor once who had 6 (now 7) kids. I watched them stroll down the street
( one hot summer day) in our neighborhood ( or should I saw them stroll all over the street….not like ducks in a row). I walked out and chatted with them mom and asked her where they were going on such a hot day. Her answer was a walk to the gas station….about a block out of our then neighborhood to get some candy.

I WOULD NEVER WALK TO THE GAS STATION TO GET CANDY WITH SIX KIDS but I have never been cooped up in a 3 bedroom house with 6 kids all day either!

I am just sayin…..

Becky

February 10th, 2010
5:03 pm

@M1chelle..Thanks for your comment..Ths sad part is that she has been given numerous (sp) chances to get clean and sober, she doesn’t want to..Then she calls me crying and all upset because her bio grandchildren do not like her and call me and my husband Nanny and Poppy..Like Tiger, IMO, they can have as many as they want, it just isn’t my thing..

Susan

February 10th, 2010
5:09 pm

The Duggars are doing a wonderful job raising their children to be kind, respectful and loving. Love watching their show. I agree that children are a blessing. I also believe Mothers are a blessing to their children. I hope and pray Jim Bob will consider a surgery to avoid future pregnancies. I don’t believe Michelle has the heart to stop and Jim Bob says he leaves it up to her. However, God gave man the responsibility to do what is best for the family. I pray that Jim Bob will seek wisdom. Michelle is the heart of the family and the show and it would be terribly difficult on everyone if her life is given up while trying to have a 20th baby. On scripture that comes to mind is “learn to be content in the state you are in”…Jim Bob, you are now the father of 19, please learn to be content with that. Your family will be open to many, many other blessings. I am praying for Josie.

Olivia

February 10th, 2010
5:25 pm

Call it something else but reponsable choice is not. These parents seem they are a little selfish and hide their egocentric actitude behind a religious precept: might be sign of a deep cognitive disonance or other mental problem. Definitively not a role model to follow. I doubt they have in mind their children’s welfare. I am not talking about money nor food and clothing. A child needs real parents not proxies. Older siblings are not a good substitute for parents and older siblings tend to resent this early role. With 19 siblings and work, how much time can they allocate to each child daily to have a meaningful impact on his/her life? Let alone the minimum attention to the individual development(which changes with age) and preferences (e.g., soccer practices, music lessons, etc). Few studies have shown that kids who grow interacting more with other kids(siblings or not) and less with adults have learnign and behavioral problems at school or work. Children compete among themselves for parents attention/time and are very sensitive to their presence, quality or absence.

On top of the mother’s health concerns, in large families with little spacing among births, younger siblings tend to have lower IQs and more health problems in the long run. These undisirable features increase exponentially with the child’s birth order: the higher the birth order (i.e., the younger the child relative to siblings) the lower the IQ and the higher the rates of chronic or behavioral diseases in adulthood. And kids with lower IQs have lower productivity so their contribution to society (including Social security) would be limited. If you add the increasing college tuition costs, the prospects not only for the younger but for all kids are narrower. I hope I am wrong but I would be really surprised if even half of their kids will finish college. So far everyhting indicates they will not and as parents they should be concerned and had been more altruistic with their older kids by surrending their desires for more sometime ago. Imagine if more families follow thier role model, without more or better schools/teachers and without cheaper college tuitions in one generation the USA IQ and productivity would suffer a tremendous blow.

Gwen

February 10th, 2010
5:43 pm

They’re both just going to wait until it kills Michelle and then they’ll have no more.

JATL

February 10th, 2010
6:01 pm

@Tiger -the amount of kids they have isn’t the only reason I find them stupid. The fact that they’re part of the quiverful movement and think God wants them to have all of these kids, homeschool all of them and are, in general, not on the brightest end of the stick if you’ve ever watched the show -THOSE are all reasons I think they’re STUPID, and of course one or two kids if you can afford them isn’t stupid -you can show them plenty of love and attention, neither of them has to be responsible for the other’s care, and perhaps they may get something that’s not from Goodwill once in awhile. I’m not all for material possessions and spoiling kids -mine have plenty of yardsale and consignment sale stuff -but to always have to buy used and only get to take vacations because TLC foots the bill -that’s pathetic. I really think stupidity should be painful, then the Duggars would be in so much agony they wouldn’t be able to reproduce!

Ginger

February 10th, 2010
6:03 pm

No wonder she gets so happy when she has the girls!! The good lord keeps him away for 80 days after!! By now she should be better at knowing when she is ovulating! Have a rest my dear, you have done very well with all of your children!

Ginger

February 10th, 2010
6:21 pm

Wow I just read a bit of your comments! Pretty strong opinions! I agree that the Duggars have done well raising their children what I dont agree with is the older ones having to raise their younger brothers and sisters. Mom Dugger is always with baby in hand! I feel for the lack of attention each child DOES NOT get from their parents!! Dad Duggar is a selfish person who does not have consideration of his wife or children. Yes indeed a succesful business man! Look what they get out of the show and what does he have to do?? Get laid and put off the responsibilities to his children! Damn I should not have started!

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
6:51 pm

@JATL…I’m confused because it sounds like you say on one hand the Duggars would be stupid whether they had 1 kid or 19 kids. But on the other hand, if Bill Gates had 6 kids, that would by default make him dumb. You’re sending a very conflicting message, but I’m going to stick with this message you wrote:

“If you have 5 kids and don’t get “fixed” or use a damn good form of birth control to prevent more, then YES, you’re irresponsible! I think 5 is too many, but it’s not in the realm of complete craziness like these fools.”

I’m kind of sad you’ve enlightened me though, because I actually had a favorable opinion (at least for their accomplishments and acheivements, even if I do disagree with some of their politics) of the following people…and it’s a little depressing to know that all these people were “irresponsible….fools”.

Joseph Kennedy – (father to JFK, and 8 other children)

Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia – 9 children

US Senator Rick Santorum – 6 children

George H.W. Bush – 6 children

FDR – 6 children

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
6:53 pm

@JATL…I just realized that you said FIVE is too many..so that mean GREATER THAN FOUR, right? I’m going to have to dig up some more irresponsble fools who had 5, like John D Rockefeller, and Bill Cosby….oh well….back to Google.

catlady

February 10th, 2010
6:56 pm

Well, this was a lively discussion. Thanks to those who kept an open mind (and agreed with part of what I said). :)

I find it difficult to believe that so many people believe they deserve the breaks they get, and that they pay their way. Very few people pay their way (the Bill Gates’ of the world, but even they benefit greatly from the labor of others), and thus almost all of us get welfare (income distribution) from those who pay more. That includes ALL of us who have our air or water quality monitored, our (Goodwill) clothing examined originally to be sure it was flame retardant, etc. I don’t think we should sugar-coat it. Why should your home mortgage deduction be appropriate, but not feeding hungry small children whose parents cannot/don’t take care of them?

Some of you didn’t read my posts very carefully, but I understand that outrage or threat causes the eyes and brain to skip around. You formulate an answer based on what you think the comment said. All of us do that. Reread before you hit the send button.

I don’t care about these people, but they and her health were the topic of the day. Some of the commenters also wondered about her mental health. Appropriate. Would they have had 19 children if they lived in Tibet, far from fame and fortune?

I’d love it if a forensic accountant were allowed to examine their finances completely. For example, how did “Daddy” get his properties he manages? I think it would be interesting to see how they “do it.”

I think a healthy dose of skepticism is always warranted.

I also find no difference among this family, octomom,and the Gosslins. Married or not, the kids are the pawns.

Hopefully the parents will live long and healthy lives, and continue to provide so well for all their dynasty,including the coming generations. If either of the parents die while these kids are minors, think of the SS payout we will be sponsoring!

Thanks, Teresa, for giving us such an open forum to express our opinions.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
6:59 pm

@catlady…do you deserve the breaks you get?

Wounded Warrior

February 10th, 2010
7:01 pm

@go tiger!! I am also an accountant, but not a CPA. I am 5 of 8 kids. I had fun growing up, but was economically hard. Stopped @ 2.

JATL

February 10th, 2010
7:01 pm

@ Tiger -you’re right, the Duggars would be stupid no matter how many kids they had, it’s just a shame they had so many! And don’t trot out people pre-1970s and the amount of kids they’ve had. New birth control methods and a changing social landscape have made huge families the exception and not the norm. The fact that in the early 20th century this country and many parts of the world were not overpopulated also didn’t make having large families a huge deal. My father is one of 5 and my mother was one of 6. Their mothers didn’t have adequate birth control (my father’s mother had her tubes tied when she was operated on for an ovarian cyst in 1945 and she was so happy), and my dad grew up in a big farm family where the kids were had as much to be workers as anything (and he will tell you that). But I will stick by my opinion that people in the last 30-40 years who have more than 5 kids are dim or at the very least not thinking about the most important choice a person can make.

Tiger needs me on his PR team

February 10th, 2010
7:06 pm

@catlady…wow…you’d like to look into their books. Not a big fan of that foundational American principle of presumed innocence, are ya?

Look, I get that you don’t LIKE them. That’s your right. But your initial post went WAY beyond not liking them…you villified a couple who has never done anything illegal and are just following the principles of their religion AS THEY SEE IT…which happens a bunch in religious circles with issues like birth control, premarital sex, and divorce just to name a few. Other than that, they’ve done nothing wrong except live a life that YOU don’t approve. Which is fine, but when someone, anyone, disapproves of something you do, don’t complain when they call you a terrible person for it.