‘Princess and Frog’ a worthy addition to princess pantheon?

Lilina and I dressed as Cinderellas for Halloween. I bought the costumes for me and Rose and we've gotten a lot of use out of them.

Lilina and I dressed as Cinderellas for Halloween. I bought the costumes for me and Rose and we've gotten a lot of use out of them.

She got a little damp as Cinderella so she changed into the Snow White outfit to answer the door with Daddy while the big kids went out for more candy.

She got a little damp as Cinderella so she changed into the Snow White outfit to answer the door with Daddy while the big kids went out for more candy.

We have yet to actually see “The Princess and the Frog” but Lilina is already IN!!

I picked her up a little Golden Book of the movie at the Publix, and she wants to hear it constantly! My biggest problem with the book is that it gives away the ending so I don’t want Rose to read it yet. (She admitted to just flipping through the illustrations.)

We’re planning to take the kids to see the movie this week and Rose is so excited about it. (Walsh — not so much!) Even our babysitter is excited to see the movie and didn’t want to read the book as not to ruin the ending.

Lilina is constantly dressed up in different “princess” outfits. She was two princesses for Halloween – Cinderella and Snow White. She went to the elementary school in the fall dressed as Sleeping Beauty and all the teachers and the principal just adored it. (They all said how they remembered when their little girls did the same thing and how it passes so quickly.) Rose was the same way – parade of dresses throughout the day.

I have a relative who is very anti-princess. She thinks they are bad examples for little girls. I guess it’s the whole being rescued thing. She was completely offended that I let them watch the movies, play with the dolls and wear the outfits.

My only problem with the movies in general is that I think they are too scary for the little girls that just want to see the princesses. The dragon at the end of “Sleeping Beauty” still scares me, “Snow White “is scary all the way through. I don’t think Rose has ever made it all the way through “The Little Mermaid” or “Aladdin.”

I ran across the slide show on Time magazine last week all about different Disney movies controversies – including complaints about “The Princess and the Frog,” “Song of the South” and “Dumbo” for race issues.

So where do you stand on the princesses? Are you pro-princess?

Have you seen “The Princess and the Frog” yet? What did you think? Is it worthy of the Disney princess pantheon? Did you see anything controversial in the film?

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December 21st, 2009
12:51 pm

I’m just happy I had a boy instead of a girl. While I wouldn’t find any of the movies controversial enough to ever make a big deal of it, I can understand your relative’s position on the Princesses being a bad example.

Lori

December 21st, 2009
1:21 pm

The whole Voodoo thing was a bit scary and really not very appropriate, I thought for a kids movie. I think they went a little overboard on the evil magic. I’m not really well versed in Voodoo at all, but I don’t think Disney’s portrayal of it was accurate anyway, and why put something so evil and scary into a kids movie?? As far as your friend being offended by princesses, I’d tell her to get over it. There is a difference between fairy tales and reality, and as long as your child is taught the difference, then I’m ok with it. I have a son, not daughter, but he’s smart enough to know what is real and what isn’t, because I teach him such things.

mom2alex&max

December 21st, 2009
1:42 pm

Ok, I don’t have any daughters..what’s the big deal with this movie? Why is everyone talking about it?

Lori

December 21st, 2009
2:02 pm

mom2alex&max, have you seen the movie? The Voodoo guy basically makes a deal with the devil and when he can’t deliver, is taken by the devil. I’m just saying, I thought that was a big strong. I mean, sure turning a prince into a frog is dark magic any way you look at it, but they went for pure evil in this one.

FCM

December 21st, 2009
2:19 pm

Walt Disney was asked about the hunter scene in Bambi being too violent. He responded with “You’re dead if you aim only for kids. Adults are only kids grown up, anyway. ” Anyone who ever thought Disney was a kids outfit was oblivious to the genius that is Disney.

“Movies can and do have tremendous influence in shaping young lives in the realm of entertainment towards the ideals and objectives of normal adulthood.” — Walter Elias Disney

FCM

December 21st, 2009
2:22 pm

“Adults are interested if you don’t play down to the little 2 or 3 year olds or talk down. I don’t believe in talking down to children. I don’t believe in talking down to any certain segment. I like to kind of just talk in a general way to the audience. Children are always reaching.” (yes, another quote from Disney)

Cammi317

December 21st, 2009
2:26 pm

A big group of us and our kids went to see it on opening night. I loved it. I think ALL of Disney’s princess movies have a dark and scary aspect. Remember Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty? She was far more scarier than the over-the-top Voodoo theatrics in this movie. The theater was packed and not a child cried during the entire movie. In fact they cheered, laughed and clapped. I think as adults, we sometimes over think things. For the children it was just another movie where good triumphed over evil and the prince and princess lived happily ever after.

FCM

December 21st, 2009
2:26 pm

Lori–yes and my tween hanging a RPattz photo on the wall means she will only date vampires! The Voodoo Priest, Ursula asking for a soul (the song says voice but the final bargain was for her soul), the evil guy in Hunch lusting after the gyspy….Sheeesh if nothing else Disney provides pleanty for overbearing parents to fret about.

And here I thought...

December 21st, 2009
2:30 pm

…the overriding aspect was that this was the first “black” princess that Disney had done! Silly me…

JATL

December 21st, 2009
2:31 pm

OK -first, I’m taking my 3 year old to see it this week, and we can’t wait! What is with all of you never wanting your kids to see anything scary at all? Granted I haven’t seen this, but if you find voodoo so scary, why don’t you explain it from an educational perspective to your child? How are kids supposed to EVER deal with any fear or being scared if they aren’t slowly introduced to it as they grow along? NO, they shouldn’t be watching “Friday The 13th”, but Disney movies with witches or dragons or voodoo priests are not a big deal. Have you ever thought of how completely uninteresting and plotless so many of these movies would be without their “fear factor” (deals w/ the devil, evil queens, etc)? When we’re watching a movie and my child says “Oooh, that is scary, ” I either ask him why (if it’s not obvious), or explain it to him. Yes, some things scare the beejesus out of kids -that’s part of being a kid! I think it’s a good idea to slowly introduce them to imaginary fears that can’t really hurt them before they get older and start being confronted with the real scary stuff in this world.

As far as the princesses -I’m a feminist and I do like for girls to have other rolemodels than only princesses, and they do! 99% of little girls LOVE princess stuff just like 99% of boys LOVE construction trucks. Again, if someone has a daughter and they think the princess thing is so horrible, maybe they should look at why their daughter is so into it -probably because of the pretty dresses, castles, adventure, etc. I doubt there has ever been a 5 year old girl to come out of a princess movie and exclaim -”Hey mom and dad, no need to wait for college-I’ll just wait for Prince Charming to come along and rescue me!” The kids are really not overthinking the feminist perspective of the film…

Cammi317

December 21st, 2009
3:03 pm

LOL@JATL….Thanks for the afternoon chuckle!

Karen

December 21st, 2009
3:08 pm

Cammi317 – you gave away the ending at 2:26pm!!!

Cammi317

December 21st, 2009
3:12 pm

OMG Karen….I am soooooo sorry that I ruined another suspenseful Disney ending…ROFL!

oneofeach4me

December 21st, 2009
3:55 pm

I haven’t personally seen it but my mother took my daughter, who is 8, to see it this weekend as part of her xmas. No one complained, and my daughter thought it was “very well written and entertaining” (her exact words to me.. lol).

Anyhow, I have one girl and one boy. As someone said before, most girl are hardwired for girly fairytale princess stuff just as boys are hardwired for trucks, cars, planes and trains. I think as long as you lead by example in real life (hence not waiting around on prince charming to come and save you), then your kids will more than likely follow suit. In the end.. LET THEM BE KIDS…they will have plenty of time to be an adult and over think everything!

Katie

December 21st, 2009
4:33 pm

I took my three (almost four *gasp*) year old to see it yesterday and I was above and BEYOND disappointed.

Firstly, I didn’t appreciate how all the white people in the film were portrayed to be rich, petty, and stupid. I mean, look at the movie. Every. Single. One. And I can’t think of a single Disney movie of recent history that does that to any other race.

Secondly, I think they went wwwwwaaaayyy to far out when it comes to capturing the spirit that is New Orleans. There is so much more to the people and culture there other then Madri Gras, the bayou, etc. There is a spirit about those people that this movie failed to capture in any way, shape, or form.

My little girl asked the entire time “But Mommy, WHERE’S the princess” and talked during alot of the movie (a problem we NEVER incur whilst watching the real Disney classics). So for her, although it did entertain her, it was definitly one of those movies that you should not waste lots of money on in the theater, just rent it when it comes out.

I’ve been a big Disney stockholder and fan for many years now and I am really considering getting out. I think that they let the pressure of not having a black princess get to them, and it showed in a terrible way with this movie. Its almost like they tried a little too hard and went complelty overboard.

So do I think its going to become a Classic? NOPE. Will little girls want to stand in line to meet her at Disney? Nah. In twenty or thirty years from now will Disney re-release it as a classic like they’ve done with Snow White etc? Nope. This movie will be at the bottom of some pile in a storage room no one goes into.

cmahdi@hotmail.com

December 21st, 2009
10:09 pm

Yeesh! A couple of my relatives were complaining because there was no black prince for the black princess, yet the main villain in the movie was black (he was a far worse person than any other character, not to mention if you read too much into the film you would walk away believing that all black people in New Orleans practice or believe in black magic). Katie (who I assume is white) is complaining “all the white people in the film were portrayed to be rich, petty, and stupid”…Well I guess you can’t please any of the people any of the time….

I enjoyed the movie as did my daughter and all of her friends who have seen it thus far. It’s so sad that we can’t enjoy the movie the way the kids did and stop looking for things to complain about. Unless it was pointed out by an adult, I can guarantee you that none of the kids cared about the color of the prince, the color of the villain or the color of the rich people and how they are acting. Those are adult issues and this is a kids movie. Everything in the movie was over-the-top and exaggerated from the southern accents, the voodoo and yes, the rich white family. Overall, I thought that it was still a good movie.

One last thing…it’s always sad to see one’s race shown in a less than positive light, but believe it or not, it feels worse to not be seen at all. Something to think about the next time you pop in Snow White, Cinderella, Beauty & The Beast, The Little Mermaid, Mulan, Aladdin, Pocahontas….get the picture (or lack thereof).

Kathy

December 22nd, 2009
2:58 am

I saw the movie with my 6 year old granddaughter…I was extremely disappointed!! I agree with Katie…the innuendos all throughout the movie about the rich white folks…trying to keep the black man down…I am SO over that mentality! The voodoo aspect was very uncalled for…I don’t care if it is indicative of New Orleans…not appropriate for a kid’s movie…hard to believe that this was a Disney movie…very disappointed and telling all my friends and children/grandchildren not to bother…what happened to just a sweet movie with a fairy tale ending????

Jane

December 22nd, 2009
7:22 am

cmahdi@hotmail.com – as was discussed in earlier posts (which you didn’t bother to read before you came out swinging at Katie), Disney movies are NOT all about kids. They are writen for adults as well – so this is hardly a “kids movie.” It was intended for all and falls far short.

If you like it so much, you should be happy to know you’ll be able to buy it on DVD in the bargain bin real soon.

Just saying

December 22nd, 2009
8:22 am

Is ‘Princess and Frog’ a worthy addition to princess pantheon?

Yes and here’s why:

1) One of few Disney Princess movies where the female is dependent upon herself and not the male (Only other is Jasmine because Mulan and Pocahontas were not princesses).

2) Theme(s): Love; Family; Dream big, but know hard work is necessary to make your dreams come true (compared to only wishing on a star)

As far as the Voodoo, if your child is able to watch Anastasia (1997) made by Twentieth Century Fox, which had its own elements of dark magic (Rasputin), then this movie should not be a problem.

Tiana’s best friend was Charlotte who just so happens to be white. Yes Charlotte was rich with a touch of vanity (appearance wise), but never petty or stupid. Charlotte’s deeper inner self is shown towards the end of the movie to re-enforce the theme of Love.

Just saying

December 22nd, 2009
8:23 am

I’m sorry, the last line should be to “reinforce” the theme of Love.

Kally

December 22nd, 2009
8:29 am

The movie was amazing, Shadow Mas has to be evil you alway have to have some one with pure evil in there heart for the truly good to come out. And the portal of Voodoo is not all bad have we forgot the good Voodoo that our frog team get in the bayou? This is a story that a princess doesn’t need rescuing in fact it is the prince who needs to be rescued. And my dream has been to work for Disney it is an amazing company that brings joy and fun. They are movies!!! Entertainment!!! This is not fact this is not a history book these are fairy tales with the element of historical times. Yes when Dumbo was made look at the times! Look at History! Should Disney have known that in todays standard some of the things in the movie would be taken out of context and made into racial issues? NO if he had he would have been able to see into the future people! This movie was set in a true style of New Orleans at that time in history! Enjoy the colors the style of clothing the music! Why does everyone have to make an issue over nothing! For all those who say that these movies are bad influences then don’t let your children watch them, or better yet raise your children don’t let the TV do it! I am a very powerful young women, who at 21 independently purchased my own home and have taken care of it. Yes I love Disney, but I also know that wishing on a star will only get you so far the rest is truly up to you! Relax and enjoy a movie!

FCM

December 22nd, 2009
9:29 am

“Mulan, Aladdin, Pocahontas” — um those are not white people…and Mulan was not a princess she is a warrior! Jasmine is a princess and Pochontas is the chieftans daughter so I guess a princess of sorts. Again NONE are caucasoid.

“Should Disney have known that in todays standard some of the things in the movie would be taken out of context and made into racial issues?” Walter Elias Disney died in 1966. He had nothing to do with this movie as it was presented in the theaters this month.

As to the Voodoo dude (or Ursula or Jafar etc) let’s get it straight from WED “All cartoon characters and fables must be exaggeration, caricatures. It is the very nature of fantasy and fable.” While WED has been dead a long time, there should be no doubt he left his mark on animation and story telling.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

December 22nd, 2009
9:59 am

Mulan is one of my favorites. I really like that one.

Kally - a "very powerful young woman"...

December 22nd, 2009
10:00 am

Another legend in her own mind!!!!!!

Jane

December 22nd, 2009
10:12 am

Yes, a “very powerful young WOMEN” – who thinks alot of herself, even if she doesn’t know how to spell or concoct proper sentence structure. But she is powerful!

ummmm

December 22nd, 2009
10:14 am

next boring topic please!

Lori

December 22nd, 2009
10:20 am

I think it is interesting though, the despite all her hard work in the movie, she was still shot down by “the man” and didn’t get what she wanted until becoming a princess.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

December 22nd, 2009
10:27 am

I’ve posted the “next boring topic” — it’s about best and worst spouse presents! Think hard about the real stinkers you’ve either been given or gave — What about the best presents?? What really made you know your spouse was thinking hard?

Cammi317

December 22nd, 2009
10:53 am

Jane I was not “swinging at Katie”. As I stated in my post, I was equally bothered by the complaints of some of my relatives. Theirs and hers, were both racially based complaints. I was showing both sides of the coin, so to speak. I don’t think anyone would have made any of these complaints if all of the characters were non-human or all of a singular race. Then it would have just been an enjoyable movie with a typical Disney plot. I don’t understand why everything has to be dissected all of the time. Racism and Reverse Racism exists, and if you look hard enough you can probably make a case for it just about anywhere. However, I don’t believe the writers at Disney were going for either.

I don’t see how Voodoo is any different than any of the other black magic utilized in Disney movies. Not too mention, it was and is a big part of the New Orleans culture and histor. None of it is real, but yet voodoo seems to spook people in real life. Probably would have been better if the movie was based in “Once Upon a time in a place far, far, away”.

Katie

December 23rd, 2009
5:34 pm

Swing as hard as you’d like. It just continues to prove the point that I made to begin with. And it shows, that perhaps you are more racist then anyone here could even begin to be.

cmahdi@hotmail.com

December 23rd, 2009
11:47 pm

Katie I really would like to know what I said that was racist. I simply pointed out that I have heard from both black and white people that they found something about the movie racially biased. I didn’t have any issues with the movie, nor did I call anyone racist. Your comment and my relatives comments were about race issues. If you thought that I was calling you a racist, I apologize because that was not the case.

Andielynn

December 31st, 2009
3:53 am

i am 16 years old, and still have my first snow white movie. By the age 1 i was already working the tv so i could watch it. I love all the princess in the disney collection. To be honest i watched snow white last night i own the dvd now! Princess are not a sign of weakness to little girls i am a strong person you never see me with a boyfriend. I belive women can take care of them selves. Disney movies just show children a different world. Somthing better than what we are really truly living in. To be honest i wish deeply i could some how be transported into this magical world of disney. These movies was not made about race, or any thing else. Disney made these movies for the children and for the ones that wanted that fantsay world. The magic in a disney movie is amazing! Now that all of you are adults and have kids you try to point out the wrong in these movies. Say that they are scary kids should not see this stuff. Think bad to when you was a child and you dresses in your princess dresses and you wished upon a star. When all you wanted to do is see the next disney movie. Or even your first time to disney land or disney world. Them place showed me magic i had never seen. I went there when i was about 7 and i can rember everything about it. It was a mermorie i will never forget. Somthing i canit wait to share agine with children of mine own. For the disney movie princess and the frog its wounderful. It takes you back to the way old movies was done. it anit this high teck crap that makes it all look funny its real animated. Which i loved the most. For the charaters they are funny and alsome. This is one of the best disney movies of the decade for sure. Theresa all i have to say is enjoy your lil girl loving the princess and wanting to dress up. They grow up so fast and its somthing you will miss. Belive me your going to wish all your daughter ever watched was disney movies.

love always
andielynn

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