Would YOU know if your daughter was sexually active?

An Associated Press story reports that Sarah Palin didn’t know her daughter Bristol was sexually active before she learned the teenager was pregnant.

“The former vice presidential candidate told ABC’s Barbara Walters: ‘Truthfully, we were devastated.’ ”

I’m not why this should be a shocker. I don’t think most parents know if their kids, especially their daughters, are sexually active. I think teens are very adept at hiding many things – including drugs, drinking and having sex.

I know we have several regulars who have very good relationships with their daughters and talk about good communication but I think they’re unusual.

Would you know if your teen was having sex? How would you know? How could you determine it if you weren’t sure? Do you think boys are more open with their parents about having sex than girls? Is there some failing by a parent if they aren’t aware of their teen’s sexual status?

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mom2alex&max

November 16th, 2009
8:51 am

I don’t have a daughter, so I can’t say. But I do know this: my mother sure didn’t know.

JJ

November 16th, 2009
8:59 am

No. But she is armed with birth control, and more importantly, information. She has seen other girls her age have kids, and she wants no part of that right now. She is on a education highway and does not want to be sidetracked with a pregnancy.

She has had “The Responsibility Drill” talk over and over and over, since she was about 10 years old. I’ve never been afraid to talk to her about sex, and the repercussions (sp).

I truly hope that more parents can get over the fear of talking about sex to their kids. Start early and give them age-approriate information. Answer their questions without embarrassment. Either they come to you, or they find out from their friends…..which way do you want them to find out?

Vork

November 16th, 2009
9:02 am

I’m just going to assume that once my kids start dating seriously that they are going to be sexually active. All you can do is have, “the talk” with them and hope that they will listen and understand the consequences of their actions and plan accordingly and be responsible.

In my daughter’s case I think planning accordingly will be advising her on using protection and probably putting her on birth control. I mean unless I want to lock my daughter up in the basement there is nothing I’m going to be able do to stop her….I can only advise her on how to be responsible.

motherjanegoose

November 16th, 2009
9:10 am

@ JJ…yes, your last paragraph is SO true. I have been very open with my children. My parents NEVER talked about sex with me. I cannot talk about it NOW with my Dad. It is not something we do. I can talk about most anything with my kids though, because we have been open from the beginning.

My daughter is so busy with school, work, volunteer and her girlfriends that she does not have a boyfriend, so I am nearly positive she is not sexually active. She has boys who are friends but NOT boys who are boyfriends.

We talk about her friends nearly every day and she will ask, “Do you remember______ ” and tell me what is up with them. She also continues to remind me that the only babies she will ever have are SCHNAUZERS, she loves her little dog. I am not sure if I will ever get a grand child….haha! She did tell me she was not interested in attending an all girl’s college…

If you see your daughter spending lots of time with a boy, does it not occur to you to be frank with them? Kind of like if your children were heading out on a spring break trip, you may share some insights they would need to know???

I am guessing someone will misconstrue what I post…oh well.

Theresa, I am so happy you are o.k.

lmno

November 16th, 2009
9:20 am

If you have a teen, chances are that they are sexually active. If you have a college student, they are sexually active almost without a doubt.

Really

November 16th, 2009
9:23 am

off topic but Theresa how are the renovations going??

FCM

November 16th, 2009
9:24 am

My mother thought I was (active) several YEARS before I was actually did anything. I don’t think you ever know for sure. Like Vork I will probably assume they are active if they get ’serious’ about someone.

Like JJ we have been having informational talks for several years. Right now it’s the “MOM! That’s not something I want to talk about, I told you I will wait until marriage!” reply. The funny part is that I never told them to wait until marriage. I told them that for a girl it’s about emotions and feelings and stuff that get very complicated. It is not just a physical act but a big repsonsibility. So my answer to the reply above is “That is a good thing. However if you change your mind before then, you need to know things. The main thing is that if you change your mind, it is ok to tell me because I want to make sure you act responsibly when do you those things.”

MJG I will admit until you said she didn’t want to go to an all girls college I wondered. That’s a different talk we have had at our house.

I do know that my brother started being active much younger than I was even accused by my mom.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

November 16th, 2009
9:28 am

Hey — I’m sorry I didn’t get a topic up for Friday — I had five painters working and couldn’t even get to the computer — they’re still here!!!

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

November 16th, 2009
9:29 am

I’m hoping to get photos up by next week of all the work — ready to be alone in my house.

FCM

November 16th, 2009
9:35 am

Sort of on topic. A co-worker and I have had this discussion. Since the Clinton administration a certain act has been viewed as not ’sex’ or not ’sexually active’ by people who came of age in that time or later. For those who came of age prior it is often considered ’sex’ or ’sexually active’. Therefore, does that count or not toward the question at hand?

Becky

November 16th, 2009
9:47 am

My Mother never talked to any of her daughters about sex..Guess that’s why 5 out of six had children out of wedlock..Like others said, you just have to talk to them and hope that you prepare them..

I find it interesting...

November 16th, 2009
9:49 am

…that hardly anyone has answered the question at hand. And I am glad the mom2alex&max had the courage to point out the obvious – that HER monther (and probably all of ours) did not know when we started, ,so how could we possibly KNOW?

Also, just because “My daughter is so busy with school, work, volunteer and her girlfriends that she does not have a boyfriend, so I am nearly positive she is not sexually active. She has boys who are friends but NOT boys who are boyfriends” does not mean she is not sexually active. Not saying that she is, but this is sometimes the “head in the sand” outlook that catches even Vice-Presidential candidates off-guard!

And, yes FCM, the kind of sexual activity you describe, and that to which Bill Clinton described as “I did not have sex with that woman” IS definitely being sexually active!

new stepmom

November 16th, 2009
10:02 am

FCM, great way to handle “the talk.” This is a subject where I have to tread VERY lightly with my step daughter. She is 10 and very curious especially since I am now pregnant. Her dad and I have talked about the fact that she will likely always come to me with questions because I am not her “mom” and I am younger and percieved as being a little “cooler”. However, her mom has had no informational discussions with her. Her mom is Catholic and wants no discussion of birth control to be had and wants me to defer to her whenever a question comes up. I have tried to have dialog with her mom about it and have been shot down. So at this point, I answer ant question that comes up factually and give no more information and let her mom know. Later on since I have my husband’s blessing, if I think that she may become sexually active, I will try to give the same advice that you guys have mentioned and hope it is not too late. I hate sitting on my hands but my mis-step could land us in court. We do plan to get the American Girl book “The Care and Keeping of You,” which discusses development and at this point that I all I can offer.

Have any of you ever had neices or nephews or other kids you were close to you come to you for advice and your thoughts differ from their parent’s thoughts? Basically at this point all she needs to know is mechanics and that sex is very special-she still thinks boys are pretty gross.

Also, FCM, the Clinton definition of sex is interesting. I think it counts even more today than it did 10 years ago because kids do not see that act as “sex” and are often not responsible about protecting themselves from disease or the emotional hurt that can go along with being sexually active in that way. I think it is an integral part of any sex talk with kids who are old enough to comprehend that act. Now I do not know what that age is…

Michelle

November 16th, 2009
10:03 am

Well, my teenage step sons have been pretty honest. We have tried to be open with them, especially about the responsibility factor! It is a lot different for boys though, it’s almost like a celebration or “atta boy!” With girls, they are looked down upon (slut, easy, etc.) I think the double standard is one reason a lot of girls don’t tell their mothers more.

I agree with Mom2alex&Max…our parents had NO clue (until my sister’s boyfriend spilled the beans when they broke up…what a vindictive jerk!) Anyway, until that day, Mom & Dad thought we were all sweet and innocent!

My younger siblings that grew up with my mom…their house was a lot different. Mom was the type of person to tout the “joys of sex” not the responsibilities! Her 2 sons both had kids out of wedlock. My sister though, she’s responsible in her own right! She has NO intentions of that happening to her!

I hope that by the time my little guys thinks about becoming sexually active, that our relationship is close enough that we can talk about it openly. I just hope that he is responsible and remembers that to girls sex has a different meaning than to guys!

I would say that yes, a BJ is being sexually active. It’s not intercourse, but it is still a sexual act and has the potential to spread disease.

motherjanegoose

November 16th, 2009
10:19 am

I thought Thereas might be looking for this feedback:

I know we have several regulars who have very good relationships with their daughters and talk about good communication but I think they’re unusual.

Guess I was wrong.

I do not have the answer to this question, for all parents. I can only direct my own children and know they are armed with the information they need. I probably will not lose sleep over someone else’s unexpected pregnancy.

To me, if your children are dating or spending one on one time with members of the opposite sex, then they could get pregnant. Maybe I REALLY missed the sex talk. My daughter is not, at this time. She catches rides home ( with neighbor boys) from school sometimes and will call me and tell me who she is riding home with, then is home in 10 minutes.

I had a teacher tell me last week…her son asks..MOM how does someone get pregnant?
He is 8 and it took her back…she said she was flustered and trying to figure out what to say.
Then, he says…”Aw, you don’t really have to tell me….I know it’s when you get bit by a poisonous snake!”

YEAH…stay away from those snakes….LOL!

motherjanegoose

November 16th, 2009
10:21 am

oops Theresa…. sorry for the typo and maybe Theresa was NOT referring to me….

Sarah

November 16th, 2009
10:23 am

We had the local movie theater call to let us know that middle school boys and girls were having oral sex in the back of the theater. They didn’t consider it sex.

JATL

November 16th, 2009
10:31 am

I doubt I will know when my sons start “doing the deed”, and quite honestly I don’t really want to know! Like Mom2alex&max said -my parents had no idea when I started having sex. We DO plan to be very open, honest and frank regarding sex and sexuality. I’ve never had any issues discussing sex and sexual matters, and I am a firm believer in lots of appropriate information. We plan to let our guys know that we would REALLY prefer for them to wait until they get out of high school, but we’re not idiots, so there will be a box of condoms in their bathroom when puberty hits. I go back and forth about condoms for boys and the pill for girls as “pushing” them in that direction, but I had much rather all of them be careful and not get pregnant than have a grandbaby in 12 years.

Parents, PLEASE stress the importance of condoms to your children regarding diseases and other ways of disease transmission! Oral sex is, in my opinion, being sexually active, and while pregnancy can’t happen -lots of nasty diseases can be transmitted! Same for anal sex (and I know that makes some of you shudder, but you might be surprised at what kids do). When I taught there was an almost-epidemic outbreak of anal herpes at several area schools due to kids having anal sex to prevent pregnancy.

One more point for parents of sons -remind them that they should always use a condom EVEN if they have a girlfriend for a long time because, unfortunately, for lots of different reasons, some girls decide they WANT to get pregnant (even if they’re 15, 16, 17), and they tell guys they’re on the pill when they aren’t. When I was in high school I knew two girls who did this, and I also knew a girl I taught who did it. Condoms are SO important for SO many reasons!

Becky

November 16th, 2009
10:40 am

@MJG, my stepson (34)talks all the time about getting BJ’s on the ride home from school, so don’t underestimate (sp) those 10 minutes..

I don’t have a daughter to talk to about sex, but as someone else mentioned, I do have a lot of neices and nephews..I have one neice that is 18 and swears that she is waiting until she gets married to have sex..I think part of this has to do with knowing that her Mom had her at 17, then lost custody of her, got her back and within 2 months of regaining custody, left her to move in with her new boyfriend..So she doesn’t want to make the same mistakes that her Mom made..In answer to the question, yes, I talked to her a lot about having sex out of wedlock..

lakerat

November 16th, 2009
10:55 am

I guess tomorrow’s topic will be on cinnamon buns and doughnuts – we have gone from masturbation to chocolate milk and now to teen sex. It is only fitting, to follow the pattern, that sweet confectioner products be the next topic!

And, y’all do know why most brides are so smiley and happy on their wedding days, right?

jct

November 16th, 2009
11:05 am

Wow, my mom figured it out within a week of my doing the deed. I don’t know what I did or how I acted that tipped her off.

We think we know when our son started. We figured it was pretty much right after his 16th birthday (he’s 18 now). We started pretty early with the sex talk. Making sure he understand the proper names and that oral sex is really sex. We still speak with him quite often stating that even if his girlfriend states that she is on the pill to always use a condom.

Unfortunately, he learned this lesson that hard way this past summer. He got his girlfriend pregnant. He stated the condom broke. Well they both learned the consequences and will both have to live with the after effects of an abortion.

FCM

November 16th, 2009
11:36 am

For the record I take the stance that a BJ is indeed sex. It is the co-worker (who is a bit younger) that says it is not. I am glad to know I am not alone in my thinking.

MJG when my (older) daughter was about 8 she asked the question about how not to have a baby. She never asked how to have one though. I asked her why and she said because she wanted to make sure not to have one. That was easy “Don’t get nekkid with a boy.” To which I heard EWWWWWWWWWW that is GRRRRRRRRROOOOOSSSSSSSSSSSS. Flash foward to her (younger) sister who is now almost 8 “Can I have a picture of Taylor Lautner without his shirt on my wall?” UH NO. Of course she also asked for Rock Em Sock Em Robots for Christmas. (Older child stopped the HSM movie on a shirtless Zac Efron at age 7 so they definately start thinking in patterns you don’t want them too at a young age).

Christina

November 16th, 2009
11:39 am

I don’t have a daughter and my son is only a toddler. However, I will say . . . my parents were pretty keen. Even though I wouldn’t admit it, they knew what was going on (high school). I married my high school sweetheart seven years later. My husband’s parents, on the other hand, were pretty naive. My dad once laid it out for them (we were roughly 16 and 18 at the time) and my in-laws were horrified that he would say such a thing!

I had a coworker who was the BFF type of mom. She bragged that her then-17-year-old daughter was responsible, mature, and CHOOSING to wait until marriage. I met the daughter and knew right away she was full of it. I’m sorry, but some girls dress the part, and she did. A couple months later, the mom was helping her daughter set up an abortion. Apparently that “open” relationship between mother and daughter, was only open for the mother.

Christina

November 16th, 2009
11:43 am

I also will state that my mom had “the talk” with me when I was eight. My youngest sister was born when I was seven, so I had some idea of the baby process. Then, a year later, an older girl (fifth grade) in my gymnstics class mentioned learning about sex in health class. I told my mom and she laid it all out for me. My husband’s “talk” at home consisted of “You’re going to be hearing some things in health class soon. If you have any questions, just ask your teacher.”

KB

November 16th, 2009
12:33 pm

My daughter sent me a text last week during class that said “I skipped my third period”. Needless to say I was shaking while texting back to her asking what the heck she was talking about when I got another text from her telling me “she needed an excuse”. Just imagine that feeling before and after LOL. I was actually thrilled she had skipped her third period class :)

DB

November 16th, 2009
12:53 pm

Hmm. Wow. To be honest, I don’t know. She is a college freshman, she doesn’t drink (and I know, because she calls me from parties complaining that her friends are throwing up and she doesn’t know what to do with them.)

We have been very open on sexually-relatd matters for as long as I can remember — she is easy telling me which of her friends is having sex, which ones have had pregnancy scares, etc., etc. She was also quick to tell me about dumping one guy because he seemed to think that oral sex was an appropriate “payment” for a date. I think that many of the guys she’s dated would be aghast at just how much I *do* know! She is on birth control to control very severe periods; so I know that if she decided to engage, she’s at least mostly covered. She decided not to tell guys she’s on birth control — just that she’s on “hormone supplements” (Said it took a lot of pressure off relationships, when sex wasn’t a possibility!) We’ve discussed STDs, condoms, oral sex, etc., etc. And, most importantly, we’ve discussed the emotional aspect of sex, how it is different for girls than for boys, and the degree of intimacy required for *good* sex, and how sex when you are too worried about the consequences isn’t nearly as fulfilling. But, basically, she’s a young adult, and it’s not something that I have a great deal of control over at this point. We got through the tumultuous high school years without sex and alcohol. Hopefully, she’s maturing enough to be able to make wise choices from here on out.

I did my best. :-)

RJ

November 16th, 2009
1:04 pm

@jct, what are you teaching your kids when you pay for an abortion? Wow!

I have a teenaged daughter and we have the talk quite often. My mother accused me of having sex while in middle school. I didn’t even have a boyfriend. My daughter swears she will never have kids; she doesn’t want the stretch marks! Hopefully she will change her mind when she’s older and married. Until then, I encourage her to use condoms should she ever decide to have sex. I let her know that sex has consequences. I would never put her on birth control pills. They don’t protect you from AIDS.

Vork

November 16th, 2009
1:20 pm

@RJ

No birth control pills don’t protect you from AIDS but they do help to prevent pregnancy. Why wouldn’t you want a backup in case the condom breaks? Redundancy is key here kids. You can never be too protected.

BShepCarlin

November 16th, 2009
1:24 pm

I don’t have daughters…just two young boys and as soon as they are old enough (sounds like it will be around 8-10, we will have the talk). My husband and I have promised to be more open and accessible than our parents. My sex talk was mom telling me to “read this book. if you have any questions, ask” Needless to say, I read the book and asked no questions. My husband got nothing, no talk, no book. Strict Catholic parents as mine are. Don’t think either set of parents knew when their offspring were off doing the horizontal mambo….

I will say though…IF I had a daughter, I WOULD encourage birth control pills AND condoms. Yes, the pills don’t protect you from AIDS, but they do protect you from getting pregnant. Never hurts to have a back up plan. Condoms are great…they help protect against STDs and pregnancy…but often condoms break, aren’t put on correctly or worse are old as sin and not as strong as they should be.

dbl_uhoh_7

November 16th, 2009
1:27 pm

is it different for boys and girls? I don’t know, I only have a son..but a guy I know said something that has stuck with me ever since my boy was in utero and we found out it was a boy….he said “be glad you’re having a boy…with a boy you have to worry about one penis…with a girl, you have to worry about them all.” I’ve never forgotten that little tidbit.

jct

November 16th, 2009
1:29 pm

@RJ – I don’t understand where you got the part that I (we) paid for the abortion. I did not. I would not. When our son came to us to tell us his girlfriend was pregnant we had a few simple questions, what were they going to do? Did they have a plan? His girlfriend is a freshman in college. He is looking to go to school in the spring.

He asked us to pay for it. I stated no way, no how. He had to use his saving to pay for it. There are consequences for your actions. At age 18, it is his responsibility not mine.

We did our best preparing him for a healthy sexual life which included birth control options as well as waiting until you could afford the consequences of the sex. The rest is up to him and his girlfriend. Like I said, it is their hard lesson.

lakerat

November 16th, 2009
1:30 pm

I actually secretly hope my daughter is a lesbian. Then I don’t have to worry about anything.

JJ

November 16th, 2009
1:35 pm

Abortion should NOT be used as a form of birth control.

Christina

November 16th, 2009
1:57 pm

@dbl_uhoh_7: I have heard the same thing, worrying about one penis if you have a boy and ALL of them if you have a girl. :-) I heard it years ago and have never forgotten it.

RJ

November 16th, 2009
2:13 pm

@Vork, I was never on birth control and had no teenage preganancy. I started having sex at 18 and the condom never broke. Guess I was lucky. Plus, there are side effects to birth control pills. I was taken off of them around 20 so they’re not for everyone. Still, no unwanted pregnancy. But, my best friend got pregnant (she was 21 though) even though she took them religiously. She was so upset to be in the 2% that could get pregant while on them. And honestly, children are the least of my worries. I don’t want to lose her.

@jct, apparently I misunderstood your post, my apologies. I had a friend in college that had 2 abortions before she finally had a child out of wedlock. The guys would just pay for them and move on. It’s definitely not a form of birth control. I always thought that was dangerous.

RJ

November 16th, 2009
2:14 pm

lakerat, are you for real?!

motherjanegoose

November 16th, 2009
2:28 pm

I do not think lakerat has a daughter…I thought she has sons but I could be wrong…as many point out each day.

@ becky…not sure how to take your 10;40 posts. If you are insinuating that my daughter is engaging in oral sex to get a ride home, I must admit I am offended.

@ FCM…this is what I mean about the real world…maybe I DO NOT LIVE IN THE REAL WORLD, as I do not know a single male aquaintance ( sp?) who would casually ( as Becky put it)

talks all the time about getting BJ’s on the ride home from school, so don’t underestimate (sp) those 10 minutes..

Do adult men ( in most regular circumstances) talk like this is mixed groups or with a woman relative?
Guess those with whom I am associated realize I would be aghast at this conversation. I surely do not know.

lmno

November 16th, 2009
2:33 pm

My son is six and he asked me, “How do babies get inside Mommies’ stomachs?”

I decided that I wouldn’t make up some story about storks and stuff. I actually explained it like I would any other biology lesson. I explained the anatomy and answered his questions as they came. After a few minutes, he changed the subject.

Then later he was asking me about what his testicals are for, so I went back into the same lesson.

I don’t know what the right thing to do is, but I don’t want to lie.

I already don’t like the fact that we are lying to him about Santa Claus and I want desperately to tell him the truth.

motherjanegoose

November 16th, 2009
2:37 pm

@ Christina, if you met my daughter…you would know that I am not full of it…hahaha!
She has fits with her friends who have no sense and do stupid things…tells me about it all the time.
Now that apple did not fall far from her mother’s tree!

My friends brag on her all the time. I tell them there are several times per month that I would gladly ship her over…when she has her attitude on….as all girls will … at one time or another!

motherjanegoose

November 16th, 2009
2:39 pm

@lmno…yes, it is easier to start when they are young and then they are used to asking you and not their friends! There are good books out there that you can read very matter of factly…that is what I did. I cannot remember the titles as it has been way too long!

lakerat

November 16th, 2009
3:02 pm

Yes, this is the real one – the 1:30pm was the troll “lakerat”. And MJG is correct; I only have two sons.

And, regarding the quote that it is better to have sons because you only have to worry about on penis, I heard that back in 1978 from a 79 yr. old grandmother of a friend of mine (though she said with girls you have to worry about thousands)!

lakerat

November 16th, 2009
3:05 pm

And, no, MJG, I do not think Becky was insuniating anything for which you should be offended; she was only stating that sometimes things happen even when there is seemingly too little time for it to happen.

lakerat

November 16th, 2009
3:06 pm

“insinuating” – my bad!

oneofeach4me

November 16th, 2009
3:18 pm

@newstepmom – The American Girl book is a GREAT idea!! My daughter turned 8 in May, but I actually got this book for her at xmas last year. But there was a catch… I held onto it in my room and for the 1st time around in reading it, we would do it together, 2 pages at a time so that if she had ANY questions she could ask. After we finish the book she will be allowed to keep it in her room to refer back to. FYI.. we started reading it when the BO came into play and the deoderant was puchased.

My mom SWORE my 16 yr old sister wasn’t having sex. Then 6 months later when she ended up pregnant my mother was wishing she had listened to me. As for the question, knowing means we must have proof. And with sneaky teenagers proof will probably be hard to come by. However, there is a thing called intuition and reality checks. So, in my opinion, talk to them, prepare them, and load them with as much knowledge as possible as if they already are having sex.

Becky

November 16th, 2009
3:34 pm

@MJG, no I wasn’t trying to offend you and if that’s the way you took it, then I apologize..I was just as Lakerat said, I was just saying that somethings happen in the blink of an eye..Thanks Lakerat..

As for talking about sex in mixed groups, I don’t see anything wrong with that..It’s something that (IMO) is wrong with kids today..Most parents don’t (or won’t) talk about sex to them or in front of mixed company..

Funny . . .

November 16th, 2009
3:49 pm

@MJG – I believe Becky said that her stepson is 34
so I would assume that everyone is “far enough down the sidewalk” to be able to discuss this matter in
an adult way. Not that you would want to carry on this conversation when your neighbors drop by, or your pastor, or even 80 year old Aunt Mildred.
Sometimes it’s good for the “old folk” or the “old
fashioned folk” to know what’s going on (even if it
is appalling to hear) because you would be surprised
at what high schoolers, and even middle schoolers, know today, and if they don’t have loving parents,
grandparents, aunts and uncles to guide them in the
proper way, they will get their information somewhere, whether we like it or not!!!

Vork

November 16th, 2009
3:57 pm

@RT

Way to completely miss my point. Nevermind.

Vork

November 16th, 2009
4:02 pm

I meant RJ not RT…My bad.

new stepmom

November 16th, 2009
4:02 pm

@oneofeach4me, glad to know the book is a good one. My husband’s sister recommended it and we plan to use it. It has good basic hygeine (sp?) lessons in it too. I so want to talk more openly with my step daughter about her questions, but at this point cannot. She is very bright and very caring and I think she will make good decisions, but because of her big heart, I do think she could get hurt too. It is a catch 22 for me.

As far as double standards, there are still huge double standards between girls and boys/men and women. I have heard grown men who cat around like gigolos say they would never marry a single mom because she must be trashy but God forbid a woman choose an abortion. I really wish men had the stigma of unplanned pregnancy that women do. I think that casual sex would almost evaporate. A little off topic, but I heard some mention of the double standard.

Christina

November 16th, 2009
4:05 pm

@MJG, I wasn’t implying that your daughter is deceiving you. In the case of my co-worker, her daughter also had not fallen far from the tree. Mom was just too far into BFF mode that she was blind to it.