Swine Flu Etiquette: Should families self quarantine?

We all know I’m a germaphobe, but I am wondering about some choices moms are making after they know one of their children has the Swine Flu. Here are a few examples to consider for our discussion:

1. A child is officially diagnosed with the Swine Flu. The mom, her husband and the child’s sibling all show up at a very optional social event two days later.  My feeling is they put other people at risk showing up when one of their children had full on Swine Flu.

The mother’s argument was that she was trying to keep the second child away from the first so he wouldn’t catch it, but a few minutes earlier she had said the doctor said they were most contagious before they felt sick. So her son had already been exposed under that theory.

2. Another mom reported that after her eldest was diagnosed with the Swine Flu she still sent her daughter to school the next day. One day later, that daughter had the Swine Flu. The mom and the baby ended up catching it too. The husband has yet to come down with it. Who knows how many classmates also picked it up!

My assumption is that sibs and probably mothers are going to catch it if one child has it, and I would argue that if at all possible (for at least for 24 to 48 hours after a diagnosis) kids and parents should try to stay away from other people to help prevent the Swine Flu from spreading.

I know in some cases parents cannot miss work. And I’m not saying a well child should be kept out of school for a week or anything that extreme. I just think I would be inclined to keep the “well” child out at least for a day to see what develops. And at the very least skip optional activities for the whole family.

3. A mom who runs a daycare center says they do allow sibs of Swine Flu patients to come to school. They’re not so worried about sibs spreading it as they are parents giving the actual patient Motrin and sending that child on to school because they can’t miss work.

So those are some examples with Swine Flu to think about. But let’s also look at it the context of other illnesses:

Last year my baby has the Rotavirus. She was sick for a week. We had planned to have a Valentine’s Party that weekend at a jumpy place with a bunch of friends. Obviously I wouldn’t have gone and wouldn’t have brought the baby, but the same mom from my first example was very adamant that she didn’t want to be around any members of my family at all! We ended up canceling the party instead of having friends worry about their kids catching something from us. (None of the other kids came down with it.)

Would you keep kids home from school or away from social activities if one child had:

The stomach flu?

The Rotavirus?

The regular Flu?

Pin worms?

Lice?

Chicken Pox?

Have you ever quarantined sibs when another child was sick with another illness? Do you think families should self-quarantine at least for a day or two if one child has the Swine Flu? Should sibs and parents at least skip optional activities?

104 comments Add your comment

DB

October 28th, 2009
7:19 am

It has always amazed me that other people seen to think that their germs don’t stink! The same people that frown when someone doesn’t cover their mouth, when they sneeze , complain bitterly when their child picks up lice, and use a paper towel to open the door in a public bathroom are often the same ones who, when their child is sick or infected, suddenly decide that “Oh, it’s not so bad.” Suddenly, the principles of communicability of disease become theoretical — parents suddenly become experts in determining that THEIR child has magically picked up the ONE germ that doesn’t transmit to other people.

This is a perfect example of “do unto others.” If you wouldn’t want to catch this illness, DON’T EXPOSE ANYONE ELSE TO IT. Why is that such a hard concept?

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Christina

October 28th, 2009
8:14 am

I only have one child and if he is sick, one of us has to stay home from work with him anyway. So the sibling issue isn’t one I can weigh in on, and the parent issue doesn’t come up often since the baby (toddler) can’t exactly stay home alone. He actually did have a respiratory virus last week (tested negative for influenza and negative for strep, then confirmed it was viral). We were scheduled to have some friends (who also have a baby) over for dinner the night he was diagnosed. I didn’t cancel, but I called to give them all the facts (including the fact that our son would be in bed for the night by the time they arrived), and left it their decision on whether or not to postpone. They went ahead and came over. Our son was in bed, though I’m sure his germs were in the air and on the surfaces of our house, but no one else got sick. Honestly, at that age, the kids are sick all the time – a sliding scale develops on how “urgent” the quarantine really is.

One thing that has made me laugh, is all the hype about H1N1. Yes, the groups who are getting hit hardest by it are not the same groups who normally suffer from influenza. And yes, it seems to carry slightly worse symptoms. And yes, the period of being contagious seems to be a little longer. But at the end of the day, it’s merely another strain of the flu. It’s transmitted the same way the normal flu is, and it is treated the same way. I swear, some people in my office building have gone off the deep end with H1N1 paranoia. Suddenly, hand sanitizer bottles popped up EVERYWHERE–I feel like any day now, we’ll be forced to dip our bodies in a vat of the stuff upon entering the building. What really irks me is the sanitizer that suddenly appeared at the bathroom sinks in our office, because now I’m concerned people are using it instead of washing their hands! Eww! I’ve looked into it, and only about 1/3 of flu (including H1N1) transmission occurs through hand contact (hand to hand or hand to surface to hand). The other 2/3 is airborne: people cough or sneeze and don’t fully contain their mouth/nose, so the germs spray into the air, onto nearby surfaces and people. Maybe I’ve jaded by all the hype, but I really think we’ve blown it out of proportion.

Christina

October 28th, 2009
8:17 am

Also, most people are taught to cover their nose/mouth with their hands when coughing or sneezing. That actually isn’t the best thing to do. It’s better than not covering, but not as good as sneexing/coughing into your elbow. That way, the germs aren’t on your hands; they’re on your sleeve, halfway up your arm–a place that is much less likely to come into contact with people and communal surfaces, than your hands.

madmommy

October 28th, 2009
8:33 am

I am of the frame of mind that if anyone is sick, they need to stay home. There is nothing like sitting in your office hearing someone cough and sneeze all day. As for swine flu or any other sickness that can be spread, stay home no one else wants to get sick. Some people think they are just so important they have to be every where and can’t miss out on anything. It’s not always easy to keep a kid out of school or to miss work, but it’s better for everyone in the long run. Miss the time and just don’t take as long of a vacation. Trust me, it’s worth it to everyone when you do this.

Michelle

October 28th, 2009
8:37 am

If my child is sick, I do not take him anywhere or allow him to go anywhere. If he has a fever, he stays home…period! I’m not one of the moms who give their kids something for the fever and send them to school anyway! I think that is just wrong!

I would not stop the rest of the family from going to events just because someone at home was sick. There are SO many times when just 1 family gets something. If everyone is observiing good etiquette (handwashing, covering cough, etc.) hopefully, the exposure to the remaining family is minimal.

The bad thing about the flu is that yes, you have already been exposed (and exposed others) BEFORE you feel any symptoms of illness. So, keeping others home probably isn’t logical. How do you know when they were exposed? They have probably already exposed LOTS of people anyway.

Parents (and non parents) just need to use some common sense! Good grief!

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

October 28th, 2009
8:39 am

Two comments from my friends on facebook – —- one mom says her nephew has it and his parents have quarantined him to his room. They gave him a tv and said enjoy!

Other mom says virus has been shown to reach 10 ft from the person so should be kept away.

Walshie has a low grade fever today — I did keep him home. we’ll see what develops.

mom2alex&max

October 28th, 2009
8:46 am

I simply must make a comment on the sick at work issue. First of all, I FERVENTLY believe that yes, they should. HOWEVER: what about people that don’t get sick days? Have you ever endured the weird looks the day after from your manager when you called in sick the day before? Have you not noticed the awkward pause over the phone when u call in sick? You know the one that says “this is so terribly inconvenient for you to be sick right now and can you not just suck it and come in anyways” without really saying it? I have.

Everyone seems to think that people come in sick to work out of machoness. It is not. It is out of FEAR. Fear of loosing their jobs, fear of being passed over, fear of what their manager will think.

That should make you sick. Welcome to Corporate America, have an awful day.

motherjanegoose

October 28th, 2009
8:51 am

Quick turn around before I am back on the road and I have just a minute but wanted to share this. YEARS ago…1960’s, my parents visited friends whose kids had the chicken pox but the Mom insisted THEY WILL STAY IN THEIR ROOMS. Well, Mom came down with the chicken pox and so did we. We were under 10 but my Mom was miserable.

I am also wondering this…folks who are wearing those face masks while on the airplane…I have seen at least one on every flight I am on each week, this month.

My son ( Pharmacy Intern and hanging in there so far…just sharing for those who may not know to give some credence) tells me that those things will not work for the long haul. The particles will penetrate, as they are so miniscule ( sp?). He heard this at work or in class, not sure which. Does anyone know anything more detailed about this? Doctors wear them for different reasons, while in surgery etc.

Just got this from a web page:
By technical definitions of “airborne”, the 2009 Swine Flu (Novel H1N1) is not “airborne”, but it can still be in the air and able to be inhaled. This is when the virus is in the air on droplets from a sneeze or cough. For lay purposes, it is best to just think of it as potentially in the air. The CDC recommends, if at all possible, keeping a distance of 6 feet from someone confirmed to have this virus.

Unless you wear a respirator or other specially made masks that can filter the sub-microscopic viruses to prevent your breathing them in, wearing a standard surgical mask, or other facemask that is not designed to filter sub-microscopic organisms (i.e., to fit correctly and filter correctly), will not help you avoid breathing viruses on droplets in the air. Viruses are small enough to pass right through the masks, or can enter around the sides of the mask.

I am wondering why folks wear them, do THEY have something or are they afraid WE do.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

October 28th, 2009
8:57 am

Here’s the think about those medical masks that we have learned from being around my brother —- The wearer of the mask is not protected from picking up germs — it just helps prevent the wearer from spreading germs —- that is why when we go to visit my brother we are the ones wearing the masks not him —- he does wear one to go the hospital for treatments only because it offers a small amount of physical defense if someone sneezed or coughed directly on him —- but really they just prevent you from spreading not from catching

lmno

October 28th, 2009
9:06 am

Just use common sense and common courtesy.

I think that a more serious error that parents make when dealing with sick children is their over use of antibiotics. Antibiotics are for infections, not viruses. People seem to treat every illness with them and it is causing more rapid mutation of illnesses.

My son is 6, he has never had an antibiotic. I would give him one for an infection. He has had viruses.

I have not taken an antibiotic in my adult life. (I am mid 30s) When I have a mild illness, I stay in bed a few days and sleep it off.

Meme

October 28th, 2009
9:13 am

Things are so different. When I was younger and someone got the chicken pox, measles, mumps and some others, we would all go and visit. Our parents knew that eventually we would get sick and so we might as well get it and get it over with.

Unfortunately, we have parents who cannot take a day off with their children and send them to school sick or cannot come and get them when they are sick at school. After all these years, I have built up a pretty good immunity.

JJ

October 28th, 2009
9:21 am

I think the media is hyping this crap.. I’m not at all worried……this is another thing I cannot control. I’ll just keep taking precautions…….Vitamin C and wash the hands……..

What I can do is wash my hands, wash my hands, wash my hands. I have a head cold right now, and I did stay home one day last week. I do not want to sit in the office, coughing, sneezing, watery eyes, and all that crap. So I chose to stay home and rest, which is what you are supposed to do.

I am not going to get fired for taking a sick day. We get 10 sick days a year, and I’m only 5 into them……

Becky

October 28th, 2009
9:38 am

I have always heard that you are only contagious(sp) if you are running a fever..Does anyone know this for certain? I’m not overly concerned about the swine flu..I did find out this week though that our Pastors grandbaby does have it and she was at church Sun.Like JJ said, I wash my hands for eveything..

As for letting kids go to school sick..No, I don’t think they should..Part of the problem with this though is that they are only allowed to miss something like 7 days..I know this sounds like a lot, BUT..My granddaughter get cold sores every year..She has to use medicine prescribed by a Dr..These cold sores last about a week and she has to be kept home the entire time..Even though they are only contagious the first day, the school won’t let her be in class until they are gone..

JJ, wow, you get 10 sick days? That is great..We don’t get any at my office..

Tig

October 28th, 2009
9:38 am

At the company I currently work for we are allowed 5 sick days a year and only 2 tardies or unexcused absences in a month. So if you have the flu for a week in January you’re SOL for the year. Want to use vacation? Okay, that’s fine, but if you’re sick for another 5 days in April there goes your paid days off for the year, better not get sick or you’ll get written up for time missed.

If my daughter gets sick, I have to use vacation time, if any is available, to stay home with her. If I’ve already used it all up + 5 days vacation during the year and I have to stay home wtih her 2 days in a row, voila, instant write-up from management for excessive absences.

New Stepmom

October 28th, 2009
9:39 am

Being pregnant this fall has given me several Julia Sugarbaker soapbox moments this fall. First of all, yes I do think that with swine flu you should quarentine the family for a period of time. I am not a germaphobe by nature and fairly laid back when it comes to stuff like this, but until I can get the vaccine, I am very concerned because I could die from this (10% of the deaths have been pregnant women and pregnant women are only 6% of the pop). Since people generally do not quarentine themselves, I have sort of quarentined myself from spots where there are a lot of children. I know adults get this too, but they generally at least cover their mouths when they sneeze etc. I also am using hand sanitizer wipes a lot and taking other precautions personally. And, again I am not a germaphobe by nature at all.

I am a little appalled that our church is still doing communion by dipping bread in the wine. I have refrained from participating, but I think that the churches need to make a wiser decision on this and not put people at risk.

As for sick days at work…the trend of Paid Time Off with no specific sick days is absurd and is doing no one any good. I have the boss that is none to pleased that I have to have prenatal appts and had a scare that required a day off. I work for a health care company that has an emphasis on pregnancy….go figure. Corporate America has it’s priorities all wrong and it shows….

JJ

October 28th, 2009
9:46 am

Becky, that’s not all…..along with our 10 sick days, we also get 10 paid holidays, our vacation time, and two personal days. Every 5 years of employment gets you another week of vacation. I’m up to 20 days of vacation now……so total, I get about 42 paid days off a year. And I can use them basically any way I want……

When my daughter was younger, and she would get sick, I would stay home with her. I never had to use sick day or vacation days…..they allow us to stay home with sick kids. Once my daughter got older, she stayed home alone when she was sick, as long as she wasn’t throwing up. If she was throwing up, then I stayed home……..but those days are long gone now……..

I work for a great company and they are family oriented….

gpkbsin

October 28th, 2009
9:46 am

wow, just the thing I was thinking about.

my 3 yr old had fever saturday before last. it was gone by monday and i still didn’t send him to daycare on wednesday. on wednesday him and my husband got the h1n1 shot because of the 4 month old and both got sick right away. husband stayed in our room till saturday. 4 month old stayed in his room and 3 yr old moved around. 3 yr old and husband were both better by saturday but I refused to take the kid for a play date to a friend’s house even though the friend’s kids had already got h1n1 shot. no way am I going to be responsible for getting anybody’s kids sick.

mom2alex&max

October 28th, 2009
9:48 am

Becky and Tig: you got it. THAT’s why people come to the office sick. It’s not that they want to, is that they HAVE to!!!!

Tig

October 28th, 2009
9:53 am

JJ – is your company hiring? ;)

Michelle

October 28th, 2009
9:55 am

Cover your cough, wash your hands, and don’t touch your face/mouth! That is the best precaution you can use!! This is what I was recently told, “If you can “feel” the cough or sneeze, you’ve likely been exposed!”

New Stepmom…I hope you’re using your FMLA for your pregnany visits if they are during work. That is typically considered a covered reason. You cannot be “docked” for absences, etc. if they are related to your FMLA.

Becky, cold sores are contagious as long as they are oozing fluid (oh, and a couple of days before they actually pop up) and until they are crusted over! Once they are crusted, they are not supposed to be considered contagious. I think missing school would also depend on the age of the child. I would think by school age (vs. daycare) they should be able to go no matter what!

Becky, you may be contagious for 24-72 hours BEFORE you start showing symptoms of the flu! But, yes…definitely contagious with a fever! That is why they are recommended not to return to work or school for 48-72 of being fever free WITHOUT medication!

I’m going to be attending a webinar from the CDC today about H1N1. I’ll let you know if anything new is mentioned!

Tig

October 28th, 2009
9:56 am

Whoops, just realized I forgot something re: lack of available time off from work for parents… Now with the furlough days closing schools, that’s just another day that parents have to take off from work if they either can’t afford to pay for childcare for individual days or can’t find anybody. I feel extremely lucky that my daughter is in pre-k and her school is still open on those days, just have to pay a very minimal per-day fee for those days, but once she hits ‘real school’ next fall it could really get interesting…eek!

New Stepmom

October 28th, 2009
9:59 am

Michelle, fortunately, my boss’s boss is very supportive, so I have not had too many issues other than a very sour attitude-which she has with everyone. I have also let our employment attorney know that I am pregnant in order to document everything. At this point, I am able to schedule my appts so i am only about 15 minutes late when I have one. I am not too concerned about her attitude getting me in trouble, it is just a pain to deal with…

JJ

October 28th, 2009
10:04 am

No Tig, sorry….we aren’t hiring…..we didn’t have to lay anyone off either recently……one benefit of a small company…..there’s only 11 of us here…

Vork

October 28th, 2009
10:04 am

Media Fear Mongering at its finest is all this is….a handful of people on the planet die from this and everyone goes bat shiat crazy.

How about an even better topic: Do I take the risk and give the swine flu vaccine to my kids even though the level of Mercury contained in the vaccine is so high that the risk of death from Mercury poisoning is VERY REAL?

Tig

October 28th, 2009
10:05 am

JJ, sounds like a lucky company in the current climate :)

HB

October 28th, 2009
10:10 am

Re: antibiotics

Yes, overuse is a problem and it’s not just due to people taking them for viruses. Please, please, please, everyone, stop using antibacterial soap!!! It is NOT effective at killing bacteria, only at making them antibiotic resistant. Honestly, I can’t believe the stuff hasn’t been banned. Plain soap and water are best. Hand sanitizers that use alcohol rather than antibiotics don’t cause harm as far as I know, but they also don’t kill as many germs, so they should only be used when you’re on the go. I’ve heard some schools and museums have replaced hand washing at sinks with sanitizer — bad idea.

Re: fevers/contagious

I don’t think it’s true that you’re only contagious if you have a fever. Pretty sure it’s an old wices tale.

re: communion

This makes me nervous too. I’m Methodist, but usually attend an Episcopal church here. I comfort myself with the the thought that the alcohol in the wine could possibly kill off some of the germs (probably not actually true, but I can make myself believe it). But grape juice at the UMC?! Man, you know that’s gotta be a petrie dish. Makes me nervous when I go back home to my mom’s church.

HB

October 28th, 2009
10:11 am

That should have said “wives’”.

Sean

October 28th, 2009
10:13 am

Uptake of the new swine flu vaccine among NHS staff is set to be low as many have fear over its safety. Swine Flu UK

jct

October 28th, 2009
10:15 am

People should stay home when they are sick, period. I am glad that I work for a pretty family friendly employer. That being said, I am not more concerned for the swine flu over the regular flu. Flu is bad no matter which strain you get. I am a master hand washer and have always used hand sanitizer for the in between times.

Think about this way…I was born with a compromised immune system. When most folks get a cold, I most times end up with something a whole lot worse. I got the regular flu 2 years ago. I was out of work for 10 days. People are so selfish and don’t think about what their germs could do to others in their office. You can infect officemates thus ruining the productive for the entire office.

If you come to work sick then stay in your cube. Don’t visit or come in my office to tell me how sick you are. Use clorox wipes (or equivalent) to clean the surfaces you touch (I do this once per week because of the amount of people who come in my office).

Same goes for your children. Nobody said parenting was going to be easy. This is just another of the sacrifices we make when we decided to have children.

YUKI

October 28th, 2009
10:19 am

I get PTO as well, so many days per year to use however you need to…be it vacation, sick or whatever. It seems to work ok, but I have a very understanding manager and last year when I got very sick, my baby kept having ear infections and I had just started my job I was out quite a bit. If my child is sick, either me or my husband is staying home. We have no family around or anything so really don’t have a choice. I would not want other parents sending their sick kids to school so why would I? It’s hard but you deal.
As far as this H1N1, it’s scary but if you take precautions there is no need to panic. Also not sure about the H1N1 shot, somebody commented yesterday that their kids said it’s more like peanut butter going on and is different that the regular flu shot. YUCK! But I’d be more worried about how new it is and how they are rushing to get the doses out, etc. We have all gotten our regular flu shot but I’m still on the fence about the H1N1.

YUKI

October 28th, 2009
10:20 am

I meant peanut butter going in….

Zaboo

October 28th, 2009
10:22 am

@HB

So the communion bowl at church filled with “holy water” is actually a petrie dish for germs….NICE!!!….never thought about that one.

Glad I’m not religious.

MomsRule

October 28th, 2009
10:24 am

I would not keep my “well” child home from school just because a sibling has the flu. Schools have rules about absences and staying home because a sibling has the flu, or even swine flu, is not an excused absence. Our district is making exceptions regarding absences for swine, flu and flu like symptoms with a doctors note. But it doesn’t apply to siblings.

JJ

October 28th, 2009
10:25 am

I carry hand sanitizer in the car. I have to use it after pumping gas, or going anywhere near Walmart…..I hate shopping there, I feel so dirty when I leave and want to jump in the shower when I get home…..

I use it after grocery shopping or at Target……I think of the nasty people who don’t wash their hands, and the babies mouths, kids with their hands in their noses and mouths, then touching the cart handles. Sometimes I wipe them down with the Clorox wipes at the front of the store….

I won’t touch the hand rail on an escalator. And after using a public rest room, I wash the crap out of my hands…and I do use my paper towel to open the door….

Zaboo

October 28th, 2009
10:28 am

@Sean

Your link fails….but I think I know where you are going with that as it was my kids’ pediatrician who told me about the high level of Mercury in the Swine Flu vaccine and then she told me that she would not be getting the vaccine for herself or her familyand that none of the other medical staff in the practice were getting it either because of the high levels of Mercury…..That sold me right there.

I’d rather take the risk of getting Swine Flu than die of Mercury poisoning from what is supposed to be a vaccine.

Vork

October 28th, 2009
10:30 am

@Zaboo

My point exactly…

Becky

October 28th, 2009
10:30 am

@Tig, glad that the company I work for isn’t that strict..Like JJ, I work for a smaller company (35ish) and if they wrote up any of us for being late, they would have to hire a full time person just for that..Most everyone here is appx. 4-5 minutes late everyday..Of course most of us get here before the two bosses..We get 6 holidays per year and only after 10 years 3 weeks of vacation..

On the bright side though, I can take off anytime that I need to..If I need to take a long lunch hour, no problem there..If I want to leave early, I just put it on the calendar..We wear whatever we want to..

Thanks for all that answered my questions..As usual on this blog, I learn something new daily..

New Stepmom

October 28th, 2009
10:32 am

HB, we are methodist, so it is good ole grape juice with no alcohol. I know communion is ordained by God, but God gave me sense enough to stay safe….

Michelle

October 28th, 2009
10:37 am

New Stepmom…even though they are “understanding” about your pregnancy, doesn’t mean they will hold your job if something happens! FMLA is government JOB PROTECTED leave for up to 12 weeks. Basically, it’s a safety net. You can do what you would like, but I would “strongly” encourage you to file for it! Oh, it also allows you to get any raises, promotions, etc. that you would have gotten while you were off! You can’t be penalized for any missed time!

Corporate File&Rank

October 28th, 2009
10:44 am

Well JJ, you are very fortunate. MOST companies are not family oriented. I work as an Admin Asst and due to corporate restructuring, I have had EIGHT (yes 8) jobs in the last 10 years. Out of all of them? ONLY one was not clocking in and out. Some even had clocking in and out on your PC! And like some of the others, if I was supposed to be there at 8:00 and I clocked in at 8:01, I was considered late! No matter if there was a traffic accident, flat tire, whatever. TRUE STORY! I worked a large NASDAD listed company whose policy was if you were going to be sick, you had to call the night before to let them know you wouldn’t be in or you would get written up. On one occassion, an hourly worker went to the emergency room in the middle of the night with a heart attack. Yes! He was written up the next day. Is this absurd or what? Most companies go through hell and high water to make it as impossible for you to be off as they can and to make sure they get 8 hours of work…not 7hours55minutes – but a solid 8.00!! So most parents are having to send sick children to work because of corporate greed. The worst part is if they themselves have a sick child, they take the day and don’t record it against PTO. They call it Comp Time so they can save their precious days for vacation and not for sick children like the rest of us.

New Stepmom

October 28th, 2009
10:45 am

When I asked about FMLA they told me to file 6 weeks before delivery and to use PTO days until then. I am hearing that is not standard? Should I be using FMLA time now instead of PTO?

Vork

October 28th, 2009
10:47 am

@Corporate File&Rank

Do you have a college degree? Because if not you do realize that you’ve just become the poster child for getting a college education right?

Michelle

October 28th, 2009
10:50 am

I would check into it! Some companies are a “little” different. My understanding from when I administered FMLA was that anything related to the pregnancy could be used for FMLA if that is the condition upon which the FMLA was approved. If you use all of your PTO now, will you have enough to cover you through until you actually take your FMLA? You can go to http://www.dol.gov. I believe they have information on there and a contact number. I would call for clarification.

Some companies only look at the “delivery” part for FMLA, but I believe “pregnancy” includes all the aspects including delivery.

Michelle

October 28th, 2009
10:55 am

New Stepmom…I went to research a little further, the FMLA piece comes into play for complications. So, your visits with problems (cramping, bleeding, etc.) would fall under the FMLA. Some companies will allow the MD visits too. If you are high risk (don’t know if you are), then I would think this would count.

It can be pretty confusion that’s for sure! The DOL is a good resource if you feel like you aren’t getting enough clarification from your company reps! I just want you to have one less stress when the time comes!!

Becky

October 28th, 2009
11:02 am

@Corporate File&Rank..Laughing at your last line..My boss calls in “sick” quiet a bit with a headache..If she comes into our office and one of us says something about having a headache, she’s always quick to tell us that if we would eat better and take vitamins we would feel better..I would say that she calls in 10-15 days per year with a headache..

Corporate File&Rank

October 28th, 2009
11:02 am

Vork, what does a college degree have to to with any of this? Aside, a degree has no guarantees today. Half of all college grads are unable to find work and those who lost their job are unable to find work. And reports indicate the market is still shedding jobs by hundreds of thousands each month. You need to let that hot air out of your balloon and come down to earth and reality with the rest of us.

Corporate File&Rank

October 28th, 2009
11:05 am

Yeah Becky. I think most of us have observed this kind of boss! LOL.

Vork

October 28th, 2009
11:07 am

@Corporate File&Rank

Don’t take it personally…When you mentioned traffic and work I went off…It took me 2 goddamn hours to go 18 miles this morning on my commute to work because Atlanta drivers are farking retarded…

Granted…the company I work for doesn’t really care if I’m late or not because ultimately they know that I will make it up to them in one way or another.

jct

October 28th, 2009
11:11 am

@New Stepmom…I would also look into your companies administration of FMLA. Do they use a rolling calendar or use the calendar year for the administration of FMLA? If they use the calendar year then you could potentially have up to 12 weeks protection for this calendar year and potentially another 12 weeks come Jan 1. If you company using a rolling calendar/clock you would have 12 weeks within a year period.

Does you company allow you to use PTO during FMLA or is it an unpaid leave? Remember FMLA is about job protection and not pay. Each company will administer this part differently. If you company has a benefit rep or a FMLA administrator you may want to sit down with that person to formulate a plan that works for you and your family.

Corporate File&Rank

October 28th, 2009
11:14 am

Vork, less companies offer those perks as well..flex hours. Let’s face it. They are able to squeeze more out of everyone with more demands and less perks because if one person doesn’t want to abide, there are 50 people waiting at the front door with resume in hand.

New Stepmom

October 28th, 2009
11:18 am

JCT-they pay part I have gotten the info on, short term disability for 6 weeks, unpaid for 6 weeks.

Michelle, good to know about the rolling calendar….Thanks!

Christina

October 28th, 2009
11:21 am

New Stepmom . . . Regarding FMLA, it’s to each his own. I personally would not (and did not) use any FMLA time before childbirth. If you can take off from the office for your doctor appointments (my boss, HR rep and I considered mine “sick time” just like any other doctor appt) without making a big ordeal, then do that. Save the FMLA for after delivery (or later in the pregnancy, if you have to go on bed rest). 12 weeks sounds like a lot, but it’s not. AND it’s not paid. So if you take FMLA time for all your doctor appointments, you might eat up a week of your government-protected time off. When it’s time to break away from that baby and return to the office, you may want that 12th week.

If it’s causing a problem with bosses or coworkers then, by all means, use FMLA. But most (salary–I really can’t speak for hourly employees who don’t receive any paid time off) expectant moms (all that I am aware of) have waited until delivery or until they were put on bed rest. I mean, if you’re on bed rest for the last four weeks, then you will only have eight weeks of protected leave after delivery. And that’s assuming you don’t use the time for your appointments. Just my two sense . . .

New Stepmom

October 28th, 2009
11:27 am

Christina that is what I have been advised to do since I do have PTO and I am salaried. I did not mean to hijack the thread….

Christina

October 28th, 2009
11:27 am

To jct’s points . . . the government is the entity that mandates FMLA. According to the Family and Medical Leave Act, it is a rolling calendar. The employer doesn’t get a choice since it’s a government program.

And if your six weeks paid are via short-term disability, then technically your entire maternity leave is unpaid. You’ll receive a check from the insurance company, but you will not be receiving anything from your employer payroll. That was the same way my company worked. Maternity leave was unpaid, but they provided STD coverage which paid me for six weeks of “disability” (as declared by the OB upon giving birth–some women with complicated deliveries are declared “disabled” for eight weeks). As I learned after the fact, our short-term disability coverage had a seven-day waiting period. That part really threw me for a loop. So the insurance company did not pay me for the first seven days of my disabled period. However, my company pays us during that waiting period.

So technically, my employer paid me up to my delivery date, then for seven days after while Prudential was making me wait . . . then Prudential paid me for the remaining five weeks I was “disabled” and then, for the next six weeks, I was off payroll of my employer and off payroll of disability. My first paycheck after returning had all the deductions from the three unpaid months (insurance premiums, FSA deductions, etc), so it was quite a bit smaller than my normal pay amount.

Christina

October 28th, 2009
11:34 am

Now, back to being contagious (sorry about the tangent!) . . . Someone mentioned ear infections. My son had ear infections for five months straight last winter (resulting in him getting tubes at 10 months old). Talk to your childcare provider. Ear infections are not contagious, though they may have resulted from something that is contagious (i.e. a cold that caused an ear infection). If your child’s pediatrician diagnoses the ear infection and confirms he/she isn’t contagious, your daycare or school should allow the child to return. We kept our son home for 24 hours after his fever with the first ear infection–partially because it was caused by a respiratory virus and partially because he was such a pitiful little sick five-month-old–but after that, when his doctor diagnosed the continued ear infections every 3-4 weeks, we just kept his daycare director aware of what was going on, that he’d seen the ped, etc. And each time, he was fine to come back as soon as he saw the doctor and was diagnosed with a non-contagious ear infection. If I’d had to keep him home each time, we would have missed 2-3 every month for five months!

JJ's Car

October 28th, 2009
11:36 am

Fine, Since you don’t want me. I’ll find love elsewhere: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/27/nevada.car.crash.home/

Christina

October 28th, 2009
11:43 am

Zaboo and Vork, there are mercury-free versions of the seasonal and H1N1 vaccines. My pediatrician ONLY uses the mercury-free versions.

Uconn

October 28th, 2009
11:47 am

I need to hijack for a moment. We are having an office baby shower on Friday and the invite said “no gifts required” (I think that was a topic a few weeks ago, I digress). Anyway a guy in the office sends out a mass email to say that he thinks its inappropriate to come to a baby shower empty handed and that everyone should contribute so that we (the office) can give her a gift card. The company is footing the bill for the food and cake etc, but I don’t know this girl well and am I being a brat by not contributing as the invite said no gift required? (btw this guy is a super big brown noser) I was going to go but not eat the food anyway (diet as I am getting married in Feb) but just to say hi and congrats… ANd what if I grab a little salad? Am I blowing this out of proportion? Thanks!

Bladezz

October 28th, 2009
11:53 am

@UConn

Yes you’re blowing it out of proportion….try to think about it less actually, you will be a lot happier.

Are they REALLY going to know if you don’t contribute? And even if they do WHO CARES!!!!

Corporate File&Rank

October 28th, 2009
12:09 pm

Uconn, imagine if you were this person. You aren’t expecting gifts but do you know good it would make you feel if they surprised you with a gift card because people cared enough to contribute? Surely you can spare $5.00. It’s not much but would allow you to chase away any question of proper ettiquette. And since you’re getting married, children are not far in your future. Believe me, you will hope someone reciprocates the love. Stocking up for baby’s arrival is expensive and those diapers have a bottomless price-tag once baby arrives! It just goes on forever. Hope this helps!

lmno

October 28th, 2009
12:15 pm

A shower is different than a party from what I understand. I would bring the coworker a gift card.

However, I think you’re right to resent it in the first place. They have pulled a couple of those at my office and I just drop the card with the gifts and head out to an appointment. I have no desire to sit around listening to a bunch of Yentas sitting around going on and on about “when I was pregnant…”

Still, drop $20 on it and get out of there.

JJ

October 28th, 2009
12:15 pm

UConn the invite specifically said said no gifts. It puts too much pressure on EVERYONE in the office to bring something. The fact that the office is footing the bill for the shower is enough and the new mom will appreciate that.

However, a gift card, blanket or diapers AFTER the baby has arrived would be more appreciated, if you are good friends with this mom to be. There’s no pressure to do this on your own…….and no one in the office has to know you did that…. If she’s just another coworker in another department, don’t fret…….but diapers are ALWAYS appreciated!!!!! New moms don’t realize how quickly they go……

HB

October 28th, 2009
12:17 pm

UConn, it sounds to me like the company put “No gifts required” because they wanted to have a celebration that included everyone without making people who may not know the woman well to feel pressured to give a gift. If that guy feels it’s bad to go in empty handed, then he should simply bring a gift rather than tell everyone else what they should do. I think it’s fine for you to show up empty-handed and not contribute to a group gift. You could bring a card with simply a note of congratulations — still completely optional, though.

Jessica

October 28th, 2009
12:20 pm

The people who knowingly take their sick kids to social functions are just plain selfish. The ones who send their sick kids to school because they can’t take off work are often desperate.
I think this is one of the biggest disadvantages that many two-income families face — no one has time to take care of the family. If your kids are sick, your troubled tween needs more supervision or your aging parents need a little help, too bad — everyone is busy.
I know that some two-income families really can’t make it on any less and single parents have no choice at all. However, a lot of families *could* downsize and allow one parent to stay at home or work part-time, but they both choose the extra income and the personal fulfillment of working. If you fit into this category, I really don’t have a lot of sympathy for you when someone in your family needs care and you want to complain about how stressed you feel. Enjoy your bigger, better lifestyle and your job satisfaction.

Uconn

October 28th, 2009
12:22 pm

Thanks everyone… To LMNO’s point, this is more of party than a shower, as it gives everyone in the company a chance to socialize. And JJ.. Thanks for the suggestion, I think that I will bring some diapers as I feel bad for the few people who I know can’t contribute and have already said they were going to go but now feel as though they shouldn’t if they don’t contribute… I understand this guy’s point of not wanting to go empty handed, but then he should do it himself (he lives with his parents at 27 yrs of age… Another topic from last week!) but again I thank all of you for your insight and appreciate the suggestions… Oh and thanks for not getting upset with the momemntairy sidetrack!

Uconn

October 28th, 2009
12:24 pm

Oh and I agree… If you *CAN* take time off when you are sick… Please do!

April

October 28th, 2009
12:28 pm

JJ – we must be twin germaphobes separated at birth – I do all those things and more.

Magenta

October 28th, 2009
12:33 pm

Regarding employer policies, I’ve had occasion to talk to several friends and relatives who work in places like NY, NJ and Calif. Every time there’s a comparison of job policies, the north wins out big-time. This applies to salary, sick time, vacation time, policies & procedures, etc. for companies and positions very similar to mine (hourly, low rank). The reason? Unions for one thing, but also, people in the north have attitude. They have so much attitude I moved down here 25 years ago to escape it. But the attitude certainly keeps them from tucking in their tails and saying “Yessir” or “No ma’am” when policies are prohibitive, unfair and excessive. People are nicer down here. Too nice, sometimes. If it weren’t for age, family, friends and love of warm weather, I’d probably move back at this point. Employees in the south need to think seriously about this. Things are “tough all over,” but we don’t realize they don’t have to be quite so tough because they’re not that tough everywhere.

Corporate File&Rank

October 28th, 2009
12:51 pm

Magenta, I agree about the Southerners being less aggressive. I have another story about the same company I described earlier where the guy was written up for a heart attack for not calling in the night before. There were many unfair and excessive things implemented by management. So the union guys start showing up across the street with signs aimed at our complex. They gradually moved to the parking lot entrance of our complex, making sure they still remained clear of the property. The Exec VP and other top management began standing outside to intimidate any employee from talking to these guys as they arrived and departed work. The Union would try to hand flyers to employees as they passed in their car but management made sure the message was clear…anyone attempting to talk to the union or bring in the union was being watched. And we know what happens to these employees. Management WILL find a convenient way to terminate. I don’t have strong feelings about the union either way as there are pros and cons to both sides. But at the rate employers are abusing their position and taking advantage of the lean job market, I’m leaning PRO union sympathy. Pregnant women should not have to worry about their time off during maternity leave. And while you may be eligible for FMLA, they do not have to hold your position vacant. They can fill it and force you to take another position in the company. This is an unfair tactic. They could easily train someone temporarily to assume your responsibilities but again it’s another way to get you to take less time off if you think you’re same position will not be there.

lakerat

October 28th, 2009
1:00 pm

You guys have made me so paranoid after reading all of this that I had to get up, wash my hands, and then apply Purell!

JJ

October 28th, 2009
1:03 pm

We have a strict NO UNION policy at my company. It’s even in our Company manual.

JJ

October 28th, 2009
1:05 pm

April – I’m not what you would call a germophobe, I just don’t want to get sick……I did get a head cold, but so far that’s the worst thing I’ve had in YEARS……

I had a flu shot back in 1993, and I have not had one since, nor have I had the flu.

New Stepmom

October 28th, 2009
1:06 pm

UConn….glad someone else gets irritated by office showers. Two of my coworkers insisted on throwing one for us when we got married and I was miserable. I am not close friends with these folks. I made sure I got to approve the guest list and that everyone included was someone I had day to day contact with and I personally told everyone to come and enjoy and not worry about gifts…some brought gifts, some didn’t.

It sounds to me like the mom to be on this one does expect gifts and got a lackey to spread the word, but that is just my thought based on the tacky showers I have attended that were not celebrations but entitlements.

I would say if you are truly close to the person and would have gotten a gift for her shower or not, then get something. Otherwise take the ivitation for face value. I think JJs gift ideas are great!

Corporate File&Rank

October 28th, 2009
1:07 pm

Not surprising JJ. Those in power want to remain in power. Unions means concessions and negotiations, neither of which they will entertain.

lakerat

October 28th, 2009
1:27 pm

What is up with Theresa’s topics this week – potential lackanookie on Monday, peeing and pooing (her words) on Tuesday, and now germs, germs and more germs! Can’t wait for tomorrow’s topic!

And, I have suggestion for a “fun Friday” topic that is sure to generate a multitude of comments – it deals with James Bond’s first girl friend and how she has changed the standards of marriage after 45+ years!

I have a

JJ

October 28th, 2009
1:35 pm

Has anyone heard from NewMom lately?

I believe she is...

October 28th, 2009
1:55 pm

…busy being a new mom for the second time!

madmommy

October 28th, 2009
2:02 pm

Jessica, not everyone choses to work for a “better” lifestyle, but out of necessity. We are a two income family and while it does afford us to do a few “extra” things, it also allows us to be better parents and give our child more. When she is sick we take turns staying home with our child. You have to do what works for you. The world would be a much better place if everyone did what was best for them and kept to themselves.

JJ- as for the shower, bring a small gift as a little bit goes a long way. It’s easier to bring something small, than nothing at all. Shampoo never goes bad and wipes are always a huge bonus and you could always just get a few pacies and attach it to a card. Just something small would mean so much.

Katherine

October 28th, 2009
2:19 pm

@YUKI

About the H1N1 vaccine, I’m not sure about it being like peanut butter going in (um…ew?! LOL), since I haven’t had it, but I just wanted to clarify that the H1N1 vaccine is prepared the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine (in eggs), just with a different antigen (the H1N1 vax contains H1N1 antigen, the seasonal flu vax contains antigens to three different flu strains). The technology is the same, which is why they don’t have to do clinical trials for each year’s new flu vaccine. It may protect against a new strain of virus, but it is certainly not a new [type of] vaccine.

Of note: “The F.D.A. does not require a new round of human clinical trials to study minor changes in the flu vaccine each year. However, clinical trials were conducted on the H1N1 2009 vaccine to determine the adequate dose. In addition, because H1N1 is a pandemic, we now have more information from other countries. Of the first 39,000 Chinese to get shots, only four had side effects, including muscle cramps and headaches. “You could argue that this is better tested than seasonal flu vaccine,” said Dr. Paul A. Offit, chief of infectious diseases for Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.”

For anyone who wants to learn more about H1N1 vaccine, the following New York Times article (which is where I copied the preceding paragraph from) is very informative: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/health/10primer.html

YUKI

October 28th, 2009
2:20 pm

amen Madmommy. I think Jessica and Kendall might be one and the same!

YUKI

October 28th, 2009
2:22 pm

ok, thanks Katherine!

Katherine

October 28th, 2009
2:24 pm

No problem! :)

Tig

October 28th, 2009
2:31 pm

@Corporate File&Rank

And of course clocking in on a PC is *so* much more fun when you’re required to shut your computer all the way down every night and boot it cold every morning. I have to get to work at least 5 minutes before I have to clock in just to make sure that my pc has enough time to boot and load into windows, the last program that loads of course being the program I have to log in through, lol.

Christina

October 28th, 2009
2:33 pm

Good info, Katherine!

catlady

October 28th, 2009
2:59 pm

When I lose money because someone sent their kid to school sick, I think I should be able to recover it, from the parent’s *&%. I am not talking about a child who becomes sick while at school (those happen often enough) but parents who send their kids on, even though they have been sick all weekend, or even if they have a fever, or vomited in the night.

It takes the simple ability to think of others and cover YOUR OWN responsibilites, IMHO.

April

October 28th, 2009
3:16 pm

Theresa, the truth is, we have all been exposed. If you work or shop outside your home or if your kids attend school, you have been exposed. It is unrealistic to put an entire family in quarantine because it is perceived that their exposure is greater than others. At this point, unless you want to become a hermit, we must all take common sense precautions and hope for the best.

JJ

October 28th, 2009
3:32 pm

Catlady, your comment didn’t make any sense. How do you lose money when a co worker sends their kid to school sick?

jct

October 28th, 2009
4:10 pm

I think one item that has not been addressed is flex time and working from home. Luckily I can work from home if it is necessary. I had a low grade fever earlier this month. I worked from home and did not expose myself to my co-workers. My employer has started reviewing which jobs can be done from home if H1NI takes off and we need to close.

It is probably incumbent on us not just to complain but to come up with creative solutions to get the work done.

Lynn

October 28th, 2009
4:16 pm

JJ – she looses money from missing work….at least that’s the way I read it.

mamaj

October 28th, 2009
5:01 pm

Good Lord, some of you people are wordy!

a regular poster incognito

October 28th, 2009
5:26 pm

i was written up for missing 3 days in 6 months…next write up im in deep dookey…so i went to work sick and was sent home…i made them tell me in front of 2 people that i would not be in trouble for this….we have sick days but there is no excuse for being absent. i know right? sounds pretty crazy…but it is true…only excused absence is if there is a snow advisory (managers discretion as to whether you really get this)-bereavment (3 days immediate family)-jury duty…thats it….plus you have to be absent one day with no pay before you can use your sick pay ( which you get 5 per year) for the next 2 days…if you are out more than 3 days you have to get a leave of absence…

soooo—some people go to work sick because they will seriously lose their jobs if they dont. and if you are a one income family then you do what you have to do. i think its awful to go to work sick but i do it. i need my job. and no a doctors note doesnt excuse you…

im posting this without my name in case anyone i work with sees this…i could get a lof ot flack for posting this lol…geezee…anyone ever heard of big brother? thats who i work for…but i thank god each day that i have a job…i really do!!!!

catlady

October 28th, 2009
6:04 pm

JJ: I lose money because I frequently catch the illness. You see, the children at school love me. They want to take my hand, give me a hug, and when they get sick they come to tell me and cough or vomit on me. I am somewhat immunocompromised. I make about 400 dollars a day (gross), and so every day over 11 that I miss (for any reason) comes out of my pocket. Now, I concede that sometimes a parent does not know. But I find the deliberate sending of sick kids to school to be endangering me (and the immunocompromised kids and adults) who are there. I routinely lose 3000 dollars a year on “extra” sick days, and quite a bit of it is uncalled-for. Especially in my area where there are not a high proportion of dual income families.

Whether you can afford it or not, your sick child needs to be at home, not sharing the illness with the rest of us. It is unconscionable, for your kid or for others, not to take care of your child.

I do understand about the pressures of work. One of the reason I chose the work I do is because of the typical policies of the job. I get written up each year for excessive absences, but I won’t come to work with a fever, and when my children were sick, or hurt, they were out of school as well. It is part of my responsibility as their advocate and protector. Everyone needs a Plan B.

CartersMom

October 28th, 2009
6:37 pm

I’ll throw in my 2 cents as I’m currently in this predicament. My 20 month old currently has H1N1. A child brought it into his daycare about 2.5 weeks ago, and slowly all of the kids have gone out one by one. On Sunday, he woke up with a fever that climbed throughout the day. Other than the fever, the only symptoms were a cough and slight runny nose. On Monday morning, his Pediatrician confirmed (via the nasal swab)it was indeed H1N1. Though the swab only proves it is INfluenza A, my Ped said that H1N1 is the only strain of that going around right now. He’s on Tamiflu, and he has quickly recovered. In fact, he’s been fever free all day today with no Tylenol/Motrin.

His daycare’s policy is that he can return to school once he’s been fever free for 24 hours with no fever reducing meds. So, if he wakes up tomorrow with no fever, I could technically take him in. However, my husband and I have decided to hold him out until Monday.

I am very lucky that I have a great boss. When I spoke to him Monday morning, he instructed me not to return until next Monday and to simply work from home and do as much as I can. He felt it just wasn’t worth me possibly bringing it into everyone else. And lo and behold, I started feeling crummy yesterday. My husband’s employer didn’t blink an eye at him coming back in, well aware that our son had been diagnosed with it.

I’m blessed to say that so far it appears to be mild for our family. In my opinion, the RSV and Roseola my son had last year were worse. I’m lucky that he has stayed in good spirits the majority of the time. I’m heading in to be checked out by my doctor tomorrow, but only because I have an international flight in 9 days. My chest is burning, and I have a cough and runny nose. I DO NOT HAVE A FEVER. My pediatrician (and other documentation I’ve read online – including the CDC’s website) says not everyone has a fever with this flu. I’m proof of that.

The sad thing is, if I didn’t know my son had it, and that my symptoms were almost identical (minus the fever), then I would have no idea it was H1N1. I would have simply thought it was an upper respiratory thing. In all honesty, I think way more folks have had it than they realize.

I’m really interested to hear if other people have had the same mild symptoms we’ve had. If anyone has, or has had worse, please post. As I said before, to me, this is really different than the regular flu.

Corporate File&Rank

October 28th, 2009
8:43 pm

LOL at Tig! Exactly! And God forbid if the PC or network is having problems because then you DEFINITELY will be late! And try convincing those who matter that it wasn’t your fault! Ironically, we can’t be 1 minute late but the PC can require us to start the clock 5 minutes early for all the “booting”!

Kendall

October 28th, 2009
9:08 pm

Sorry Yuki, Jessica and I are completely two different people. Are you REALLY surprised that others would think like I do? I’m just honest and don’t mind having tomatoes and eggs thrown at me for speaking the truth. Regardless, my two cents on this topic is corporate DOES make it impossible for working families. I haven’t worked in the private sector very often so I don’t know about that but corporate does not like it’s employees taking off. They would rather you show up sick and work, spread it, and everyone show up sick and work. It’s all about productivity vs the bottom line folks.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

October 28th, 2009
10:13 pm

Cartersmom — I have heard from many mothers and nurses at our pediatrician’s office that it is very mild — the only problem is there are some kids and you never know which ones, who will get very sick from it. My little guy has had a fever all day — very low grade — but he looks terrible – his eyes look bad and he’s coughing — I’m thinking I’m going to take him in tomorrow — my husband is sick too — fever, cough, chills, overall feels bad — I just want to know if it’s just a virus or is H1N1 — walsh is going to miss field day tomorrow and he is crying!!!!! I was supposed to be there to serve the treats and drinks after field day — so now trying to scramble other mothers in to place — also was supposed to be at halloween party on friday doing a food craft with the kids — just sent another mom a note hoping she’ll be my back up depending on how walshie pans out ——- worried I will have a long weekend of three sick kids and a sick husband — worried!

FCM

October 29th, 2009
6:57 am

HB our church voted to use individualized plastic cups rather than a Chalice for our communion. We also have the bread pre-cut rather than breaking a piece off a loaf. This was done for concern about swine flu and other diseases.

Fever and chills does sound like flu. Make Michael go to a doctor too.

Theresa your school lets you do Halloween? We aren’t allowed at our school though they do pumpkin stuffs. Go figure.

Hope Walsh and Michael are better soon.

JJ

October 29th, 2009
8:10 am

Thanks Catlady…..I did not know you were a teacher…..Thanks for clarifying…..

Tig

October 29th, 2009
8:40 am

@Corporate File&Rank

Yep, hehe ;)

Tiffany

October 29th, 2009
2:34 pm

Theresa, I hope that y’all get well enough to enjoy Halloween…I would hate for any of your kids to miss out on the fun. I am trying to get mine the swine flu vaccination but the doctor’s office isn’t getting it until mid November. Heck, we could all catch it by then…does anyone know a place where we can get the injection vaccine…can’t do the mist because of asthma.

Mary

October 29th, 2009
7:16 pm

My child says the kids learned to cough and sneeze into their elbow at school with Germy Wormie, and I was totally taken aback. I always covered with my hands. But I went to the website and now I get it, hands touch, elbows don’t!! Kids can touch 300 surfaces in 1/2 hour and they hate to wash their hands. This is a simple thing that can make a huge difference. There is also an entertaining DVD that teaches them in a fun way the elbow cough, as well as other important hygiene habits.

CartersMom

October 30th, 2009
9:39 am

Theresa, I’m sure by this point you’ve taken your family in. Did they do a nasal swab on them? I hope they are hanging in there. Luckily, my son has been fever free since Wednesday morning, but his cough is still there. He too, had the rings under his eyes.

I went in to the Doc yesterday as well. It had moved to my chest, so I’m on a antibiotic now in addition to the Tamiflu. Again, I’m so blessed it had been “manageable” and “mild” for my family. It could have been SO much worse. And again, I was so lucky to have such an understanding boss.

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