Swine Flu Etiquette: Should families self quarantine?
We all know I’m a germaphobe, but I am wondering about some choices moms are making after they know one of their children has the Swine Flu. Here are a few examples to consider for our discussion:
1. A child is officially diagnosed with the Swine Flu. The mom, her husband and the child’s sibling all show up at a very optional social event two days later. My feeling is they put other people at risk showing up when one of their children had full on Swine Flu.
The mother’s argument was that she was trying to keep the second child away from the first so he wouldn’t catch it, but a few minutes earlier she had said the doctor said they were most contagious before they felt sick. So her son had already been exposed under that theory.
2. Another mom reported that after her eldest was diagnosed with the Swine Flu she still sent her daughter to school the next day. One day later, that daughter had the Swine Flu. The mom and the baby ended up catching it too. The husband has yet to come down with it. Who knows how many classmates also picked it up!
My assumption is that sibs and probably mothers are going to catch it if one child has it, and I would argue that if at all possible (for at least for 24 to 48 hours after a diagnosis) kids and parents should try to stay away from other people to help prevent the Swine Flu from spreading.
I know in some cases parents cannot miss work. And I’m not saying a well child should be kept out of school for a week or anything that extreme. I just think I would be inclined to keep the “well” child out at least for a day to see what develops. And at the very least skip optional activities for the whole family.
3. A mom who runs a daycare center says they do allow sibs of Swine Flu patients to come to school. They’re not so worried about sibs spreading it as they are parents giving the actual patient Motrin and sending that child on to school because they can’t miss work.
So those are some examples with Swine Flu to think about. But let’s also look at it the context of other illnesses:
Last year my baby has the Rotavirus. She was sick for a week. We had planned to have a Valentine’s Party that weekend at a jumpy place with a bunch of friends. Obviously I wouldn’t have gone and wouldn’t have brought the baby, but the same mom from my first example was very adamant that she didn’t want to be around any members of my family at all! We ended up canceling the party instead of having friends worry about their kids catching something from us. (None of the other kids came down with it.)
Would you keep kids home from school or away from social activities if one child had:
The stomach flu?
The Rotavirus?
The regular Flu?
Pin worms?
Lice?
Chicken Pox?
Have you ever quarantined sibs when another child was sick with another illness? Do you think families should self-quarantine at least for a day or two if one child has the Swine Flu? Should sibs and parents at least skip optional activities?
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Corporate File&Rank
October 28th, 2009
11:14 am
Vork, less companies offer those perks as well..flex hours. Let’s face it. They are able to squeeze more out of everyone with more demands and less perks because if one person doesn’t want to abide, there are 50 people waiting at the front door with resume in hand.
New Stepmom
October 28th, 2009
11:18 am
JCT-they pay part I have gotten the info on, short term disability for 6 weeks, unpaid for 6 weeks.
Michelle, good to know about the rolling calendar….Thanks!
Christina
October 28th, 2009
11:21 am
New Stepmom . . . Regarding FMLA, it’s to each his own. I personally would not (and did not) use any FMLA time before childbirth. If you can take off from the office for your doctor appointments (my boss, HR rep and I considered mine “sick time” just like any other doctor appt) without making a big ordeal, then do that. Save the FMLA for after delivery (or later in the pregnancy, if you have to go on bed rest). 12 weeks sounds like a lot, but it’s not. AND it’s not paid. So if you take FMLA time for all your doctor appointments, you might eat up a week of your government-protected time off. When it’s time to break away from that baby and return to the office, you may want that 12th week.
If it’s causing a problem with bosses or coworkers then, by all means, use FMLA. But most (salary–I really can’t speak for hourly employees who don’t receive any paid time off) expectant moms (all that I am aware of) have waited until delivery or until they were put on bed rest. I mean, if you’re on bed rest for the last four weeks, then you will only have eight weeks of protected leave after delivery. And that’s assuming you don’t use the time for your appointments. Just my two sense . . .
New Stepmom
October 28th, 2009
11:27 am
Christina that is what I have been advised to do since I do have PTO and I am salaried. I did not mean to hijack the thread….
Christina
October 28th, 2009
11:27 am
To jct’s points . . . the government is the entity that mandates FMLA. According to the Family and Medical Leave Act, it is a rolling calendar. The employer doesn’t get a choice since it’s a government program.
And if your six weeks paid are via short-term disability, then technically your entire maternity leave is unpaid. You’ll receive a check from the insurance company, but you will not be receiving anything from your employer payroll. That was the same way my company worked. Maternity leave was unpaid, but they provided STD coverage which paid me for six weeks of “disability” (as declared by the OB upon giving birth–some women with complicated deliveries are declared “disabled” for eight weeks). As I learned after the fact, our short-term disability coverage had a seven-day waiting period. That part really threw me for a loop. So the insurance company did not pay me for the first seven days of my disabled period. However, my company pays us during that waiting period.
So technically, my employer paid me up to my delivery date, then for seven days after while Prudential was making me wait . . . then Prudential paid me for the remaining five weeks I was “disabled” and then, for the next six weeks, I was off payroll of my employer and off payroll of disability. My first paycheck after returning had all the deductions from the three unpaid months (insurance premiums, FSA deductions, etc), so it was quite a bit smaller than my normal pay amount.
Christina
October 28th, 2009
11:34 am
Now, back to being contagious (sorry about the tangent!) . . . Someone mentioned ear infections. My son had ear infections for five months straight last winter (resulting in him getting tubes at 10 months old). Talk to your childcare provider. Ear infections are not contagious, though they may have resulted from something that is contagious (i.e. a cold that caused an ear infection). If your child’s pediatrician diagnoses the ear infection and confirms he/she isn’t contagious, your daycare or school should allow the child to return. We kept our son home for 24 hours after his fever with the first ear infection–partially because it was caused by a respiratory virus and partially because he was such a pitiful little sick five-month-old–but after that, when his doctor diagnosed the continued ear infections every 3-4 weeks, we just kept his daycare director aware of what was going on, that he’d seen the ped, etc. And each time, he was fine to come back as soon as he saw the doctor and was diagnosed with a non-contagious ear infection. If I’d had to keep him home each time, we would have missed 2-3 every month for five months!
JJ's Car
October 28th, 2009
11:36 am
Fine, Since you don’t want me. I’ll find love elsewhere: http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/27/nevada.car.crash.home/
Christina
October 28th, 2009
11:43 am
Zaboo and Vork, there are mercury-free versions of the seasonal and H1N1 vaccines. My pediatrician ONLY uses the mercury-free versions.
Uconn
October 28th, 2009
11:47 am
I need to hijack for a moment. We are having an office baby shower on Friday and the invite said “no gifts required” (I think that was a topic a few weeks ago, I digress). Anyway a guy in the office sends out a mass email to say that he thinks its inappropriate to come to a baby shower empty handed and that everyone should contribute so that we (the office) can give her a gift card. The company is footing the bill for the food and cake etc, but I don’t know this girl well and am I being a brat by not contributing as the invite said no gift required? (btw this guy is a super big brown noser) I was going to go but not eat the food anyway (diet as I am getting married in Feb) but just to say hi and congrats… ANd what if I grab a little salad? Am I blowing this out of proportion? Thanks!
Bladezz
October 28th, 2009
11:53 am
@UConn
Yes you’re blowing it out of proportion….try to think about it less actually, you will be a lot happier.
Are they REALLY going to know if you don’t contribute? And even if they do WHO CARES!!!!
Corporate File&Rank
October 28th, 2009
12:09 pm
Uconn, imagine if you were this person. You aren’t expecting gifts but do you know good it would make you feel if they surprised you with a gift card because people cared enough to contribute? Surely you can spare $5.00. It’s not much but would allow you to chase away any question of proper ettiquette. And since you’re getting married, children are not far in your future. Believe me, you will hope someone reciprocates the love. Stocking up for baby’s arrival is expensive and those diapers have a bottomless price-tag once baby arrives! It just goes on forever. Hope this helps!
lmno
October 28th, 2009
12:15 pm
A shower is different than a party from what I understand. I would bring the coworker a gift card.
However, I think you’re right to resent it in the first place. They have pulled a couple of those at my office and I just drop the card with the gifts and head out to an appointment. I have no desire to sit around listening to a bunch of Yentas sitting around going on and on about “when I was pregnant…”
Still, drop $20 on it and get out of there.
JJ
October 28th, 2009
12:15 pm
UConn the invite specifically said said no gifts. It puts too much pressure on EVERYONE in the office to bring something. The fact that the office is footing the bill for the shower is enough and the new mom will appreciate that.
However, a gift card, blanket or diapers AFTER the baby has arrived would be more appreciated, if you are good friends with this mom to be. There’s no pressure to do this on your own…….and no one in the office has to know you did that…. If she’s just another coworker in another department, don’t fret…….but diapers are ALWAYS appreciated!!!!! New moms don’t realize how quickly they go……
HB
October 28th, 2009
12:17 pm
UConn, it sounds to me like the company put “No gifts required” because they wanted to have a celebration that included everyone without making people who may not know the woman well to feel pressured to give a gift. If that guy feels it’s bad to go in empty handed, then he should simply bring a gift rather than tell everyone else what they should do. I think it’s fine for you to show up empty-handed and not contribute to a group gift. You could bring a card with simply a note of congratulations — still completely optional, though.
Jessica
October 28th, 2009
12:20 pm
The people who knowingly take their sick kids to social functions are just plain selfish. The ones who send their sick kids to school because they can’t take off work are often desperate.
I think this is one of the biggest disadvantages that many two-income families face — no one has time to take care of the family. If your kids are sick, your troubled tween needs more supervision or your aging parents need a little help, too bad — everyone is busy.
I know that some two-income families really can’t make it on any less and single parents have no choice at all. However, a lot of families *could* downsize and allow one parent to stay at home or work part-time, but they both choose the extra income and the personal fulfillment of working. If you fit into this category, I really don’t have a lot of sympathy for you when someone in your family needs care and you want to complain about how stressed you feel. Enjoy your bigger, better lifestyle and your job satisfaction.
Uconn
October 28th, 2009
12:22 pm
Thanks everyone… To LMNO’s point, this is more of party than a shower, as it gives everyone in the company a chance to socialize. And JJ.. Thanks for the suggestion, I think that I will bring some diapers as I feel bad for the few people who I know can’t contribute and have already said they were going to go but now feel as though they shouldn’t if they don’t contribute… I understand this guy’s point of not wanting to go empty handed, but then he should do it himself (he lives with his parents at 27 yrs of age… Another topic from last week!) but again I thank all of you for your insight and appreciate the suggestions… Oh and thanks for not getting upset with the momemntairy sidetrack!
Uconn
October 28th, 2009
12:24 pm
Oh and I agree… If you *CAN* take time off when you are sick… Please do!
April
October 28th, 2009
12:28 pm
JJ – we must be twin germaphobes separated at birth – I do all those things and more.
Magenta
October 28th, 2009
12:33 pm
Regarding employer policies, I’ve had occasion to talk to several friends and relatives who work in places like NY, NJ and Calif. Every time there’s a comparison of job policies, the north wins out big-time. This applies to salary, sick time, vacation time, policies & procedures, etc. for companies and positions very similar to mine (hourly, low rank). The reason? Unions for one thing, but also, people in the north have attitude. They have so much attitude I moved down here 25 years ago to escape it. But the attitude certainly keeps them from tucking in their tails and saying “Yessir” or “No ma’am” when policies are prohibitive, unfair and excessive. People are nicer down here. Too nice, sometimes. If it weren’t for age, family, friends and love of warm weather, I’d probably move back at this point. Employees in the south need to think seriously about this. Things are “tough all over,” but we don’t realize they don’t have to be quite so tough because they’re not that tough everywhere.
Corporate File&Rank
October 28th, 2009
12:51 pm
Magenta, I agree about the Southerners being less aggressive. I have another story about the same company I described earlier where the guy was written up for a heart attack for not calling in the night before. There were many unfair and excessive things implemented by management. So the union guys start showing up across the street with signs aimed at our complex. They gradually moved to the parking lot entrance of our complex, making sure they still remained clear of the property. The Exec VP and other top management began standing outside to intimidate any employee from talking to these guys as they arrived and departed work. The Union would try to hand flyers to employees as they passed in their car but management made sure the message was clear…anyone attempting to talk to the union or bring in the union was being watched. And we know what happens to these employees. Management WILL find a convenient way to terminate. I don’t have strong feelings about the union either way as there are pros and cons to both sides. But at the rate employers are abusing their position and taking advantage of the lean job market, I’m leaning PRO union sympathy. Pregnant women should not have to worry about their time off during maternity leave. And while you may be eligible for FMLA, they do not have to hold your position vacant. They can fill it and force you to take another position in the company. This is an unfair tactic. They could easily train someone temporarily to assume your responsibilities but again it’s another way to get you to take less time off if you think you’re same position will not be there.
lakerat
October 28th, 2009
1:00 pm
You guys have made me so paranoid after reading all of this that I had to get up, wash my hands, and then apply Purell!
JJ
October 28th, 2009
1:03 pm
We have a strict NO UNION policy at my company. It’s even in our Company manual.
JJ
October 28th, 2009
1:05 pm
April – I’m not what you would call a germophobe, I just don’t want to get sick……I did get a head cold, but so far that’s the worst thing I’ve had in YEARS……
I had a flu shot back in 1993, and I have not had one since, nor have I had the flu.
New Stepmom
October 28th, 2009
1:06 pm
UConn….glad someone else gets irritated by office showers. Two of my coworkers insisted on throwing one for us when we got married and I was miserable. I am not close friends with these folks. I made sure I got to approve the guest list and that everyone included was someone I had day to day contact with and I personally told everyone to come and enjoy and not worry about gifts…some brought gifts, some didn’t.
It sounds to me like the mom to be on this one does expect gifts and got a lackey to spread the word, but that is just my thought based on the tacky showers I have attended that were not celebrations but entitlements.
I would say if you are truly close to the person and would have gotten a gift for her shower or not, then get something. Otherwise take the ivitation for face value. I think JJs gift ideas are great!
Corporate File&Rank
October 28th, 2009
1:07 pm
Not surprising JJ. Those in power want to remain in power. Unions means concessions and negotiations, neither of which they will entertain.
lakerat
October 28th, 2009
1:27 pm
What is up with Theresa’s topics this week – potential lackanookie on Monday, peeing and pooing (her words) on Tuesday, and now germs, germs and more germs! Can’t wait for tomorrow’s topic!
And, I have suggestion for a “fun Friday” topic that is sure to generate a multitude of comments – it deals with James Bond’s first girl friend and how she has changed the standards of marriage after 45+ years!
I have a
JJ
October 28th, 2009
1:35 pm
Has anyone heard from NewMom lately?
I believe she is...
October 28th, 2009
1:55 pm
…busy being a new mom for the second time!
madmommy
October 28th, 2009
2:02 pm
Jessica, not everyone choses to work for a “better” lifestyle, but out of necessity. We are a two income family and while it does afford us to do a few “extra” things, it also allows us to be better parents and give our child more. When she is sick we take turns staying home with our child. You have to do what works for you. The world would be a much better place if everyone did what was best for them and kept to themselves.
JJ- as for the shower, bring a small gift as a little bit goes a long way. It’s easier to bring something small, than nothing at all. Shampoo never goes bad and wipes are always a huge bonus and you could always just get a few pacies and attach it to a card. Just something small would mean so much.
Katherine
October 28th, 2009
2:19 pm
@YUKI
About the H1N1 vaccine, I’m not sure about it being like peanut butter going in (um…ew?! LOL), since I haven’t had it, but I just wanted to clarify that the H1N1 vaccine is prepared the same way as the seasonal flu vaccine (in eggs), just with a different antigen (the H1N1 vax contains H1N1 antigen, the seasonal flu vax contains antigens to three different flu strains). The technology is the same, which is why they don’t have to do clinical trials for each year’s new flu vaccine. It may protect against a new strain of virus, but it is certainly not a new [type of] vaccine.
Of note: “The F.D.A. does not require a new round of human clinical trials to study minor changes in the flu vaccine each year. However, clinical trials were conducted on the H1N1 2009 vaccine to determine the adequate dose. In addition, because H1N1 is a pandemic, we now have more information from other countries. Of the first 39,000 Chinese to get shots, only four had side effects, including muscle cramps and headaches. “You could argue that this is better tested than seasonal flu vaccine,” said Dr. Paul A. Offit, chief of infectious diseases for Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.”
For anyone who wants to learn more about H1N1 vaccine, the following New York Times article (which is where I copied the preceding paragraph from) is very informative: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/10/health/10primer.html
YUKI
October 28th, 2009
2:20 pm
amen Madmommy. I think Jessica and Kendall might be one and the same!
YUKI
October 28th, 2009
2:22 pm
ok, thanks Katherine!
Katherine
October 28th, 2009
2:24 pm
No problem! :)
Tig
October 28th, 2009
2:31 pm
@Corporate File&Rank
And of course clocking in on a PC is *so* much more fun when you’re required to shut your computer all the way down every night and boot it cold every morning. I have to get to work at least 5 minutes before I have to clock in just to make sure that my pc has enough time to boot and load into windows, the last program that loads of course being the program I have to log in through, lol.
Christina
October 28th, 2009
2:33 pm
Good info, Katherine!
catlady
October 28th, 2009
2:59 pm
When I lose money because someone sent their kid to school sick, I think I should be able to recover it, from the parent’s *&%. I am not talking about a child who becomes sick while at school (those happen often enough) but parents who send their kids on, even though they have been sick all weekend, or even if they have a fever, or vomited in the night.
It takes the simple ability to think of others and cover YOUR OWN responsibilites, IMHO.
April
October 28th, 2009
3:16 pm
Theresa, the truth is, we have all been exposed. If you work or shop outside your home or if your kids attend school, you have been exposed. It is unrealistic to put an entire family in quarantine because it is perceived that their exposure is greater than others. At this point, unless you want to become a hermit, we must all take common sense precautions and hope for the best.
JJ
October 28th, 2009
3:32 pm
Catlady, your comment didn’t make any sense. How do you lose money when a co worker sends their kid to school sick?
jct
October 28th, 2009
4:10 pm
I think one item that has not been addressed is flex time and working from home. Luckily I can work from home if it is necessary. I had a low grade fever earlier this month. I worked from home and did not expose myself to my co-workers. My employer has started reviewing which jobs can be done from home if H1NI takes off and we need to close.
It is probably incumbent on us not just to complain but to come up with creative solutions to get the work done.
Lynn
October 28th, 2009
4:16 pm
JJ – she looses money from missing work….at least that’s the way I read it.
mamaj
October 28th, 2009
5:01 pm
Good Lord, some of you people are wordy!
a regular poster incognito
October 28th, 2009
5:26 pm
i was written up for missing 3 days in 6 months…next write up im in deep dookey…so i went to work sick and was sent home…i made them tell me in front of 2 people that i would not be in trouble for this….we have sick days but there is no excuse for being absent. i know right? sounds pretty crazy…but it is true…only excused absence is if there is a snow advisory (managers discretion as to whether you really get this)-bereavment (3 days immediate family)-jury duty…thats it….plus you have to be absent one day with no pay before you can use your sick pay ( which you get 5 per year) for the next 2 days…if you are out more than 3 days you have to get a leave of absence…
soooo—some people go to work sick because they will seriously lose their jobs if they dont. and if you are a one income family then you do what you have to do. i think its awful to go to work sick but i do it. i need my job. and no a doctors note doesnt excuse you…
im posting this without my name in case anyone i work with sees this…i could get a lof ot flack for posting this lol…geezee…anyone ever heard of big brother? thats who i work for…but i thank god each day that i have a job…i really do!!!!
catlady
October 28th, 2009
6:04 pm
JJ: I lose money because I frequently catch the illness. You see, the children at school love me. They want to take my hand, give me a hug, and when they get sick they come to tell me and cough or vomit on me. I am somewhat immunocompromised. I make about 400 dollars a day (gross), and so every day over 11 that I miss (for any reason) comes out of my pocket. Now, I concede that sometimes a parent does not know. But I find the deliberate sending of sick kids to school to be endangering me (and the immunocompromised kids and adults) who are there. I routinely lose 3000 dollars a year on “extra” sick days, and quite a bit of it is uncalled-for. Especially in my area where there are not a high proportion of dual income families.
Whether you can afford it or not, your sick child needs to be at home, not sharing the illness with the rest of us. It is unconscionable, for your kid or for others, not to take care of your child.
I do understand about the pressures of work. One of the reason I chose the work I do is because of the typical policies of the job. I get written up each year for excessive absences, but I won’t come to work with a fever, and when my children were sick, or hurt, they were out of school as well. It is part of my responsibility as their advocate and protector. Everyone needs a Plan B.
CartersMom
October 28th, 2009
6:37 pm
I’ll throw in my 2 cents as I’m currently in this predicament. My 20 month old currently has H1N1. A child brought it into his daycare about 2.5 weeks ago, and slowly all of the kids have gone out one by one. On Sunday, he woke up with a fever that climbed throughout the day. Other than the fever, the only symptoms were a cough and slight runny nose. On Monday morning, his Pediatrician confirmed (via the nasal swab)it was indeed H1N1. Though the swab only proves it is INfluenza A, my Ped said that H1N1 is the only strain of that going around right now. He’s on Tamiflu, and he has quickly recovered. In fact, he’s been fever free all day today with no Tylenol/Motrin.
His daycare’s policy is that he can return to school once he’s been fever free for 24 hours with no fever reducing meds. So, if he wakes up tomorrow with no fever, I could technically take him in. However, my husband and I have decided to hold him out until Monday.
I am very lucky that I have a great boss. When I spoke to him Monday morning, he instructed me not to return until next Monday and to simply work from home and do as much as I can. He felt it just wasn’t worth me possibly bringing it into everyone else. And lo and behold, I started feeling crummy yesterday. My husband’s employer didn’t blink an eye at him coming back in, well aware that our son had been diagnosed with it.
I’m blessed to say that so far it appears to be mild for our family. In my opinion, the RSV and Roseola my son had last year were worse. I’m lucky that he has stayed in good spirits the majority of the time. I’m heading in to be checked out by my doctor tomorrow, but only because I have an international flight in 9 days. My chest is burning, and I have a cough and runny nose. I DO NOT HAVE A FEVER. My pediatrician (and other documentation I’ve read online – including the CDC’s website) says not everyone has a fever with this flu. I’m proof of that.
The sad thing is, if I didn’t know my son had it, and that my symptoms were almost identical (minus the fever), then I would have no idea it was H1N1. I would have simply thought it was an upper respiratory thing. In all honesty, I think way more folks have had it than they realize.
I’m really interested to hear if other people have had the same mild symptoms we’ve had. If anyone has, or has had worse, please post. As I said before, to me, this is really different than the regular flu.
Corporate File&Rank
October 28th, 2009
8:43 pm
LOL at Tig! Exactly! And God forbid if the PC or network is having problems because then you DEFINITELY will be late! And try convincing those who matter that it wasn’t your fault! Ironically, we can’t be 1 minute late but the PC can require us to start the clock 5 minutes early for all the “booting”!
Kendall
October 28th, 2009
9:08 pm
Sorry Yuki, Jessica and I are completely two different people. Are you REALLY surprised that others would think like I do? I’m just honest and don’t mind having tomatoes and eggs thrown at me for speaking the truth. Regardless, my two cents on this topic is corporate DOES make it impossible for working families. I haven’t worked in the private sector very often so I don’t know about that but corporate does not like it’s employees taking off. They would rather you show up sick and work, spread it, and everyone show up sick and work. It’s all about productivity vs the bottom line folks.
Theresa Walsh Giarrusso
October 28th, 2009
10:13 pm
Cartersmom — I have heard from many mothers and nurses at our pediatrician’s office that it is very mild — the only problem is there are some kids and you never know which ones, who will get very sick from it. My little guy has had a fever all day — very low grade — but he looks terrible – his eyes look bad and he’s coughing — I’m thinking I’m going to take him in tomorrow — my husband is sick too — fever, cough, chills, overall feels bad — I just want to know if it’s just a virus or is H1N1 — walsh is going to miss field day tomorrow and he is crying!!!!! I was supposed to be there to serve the treats and drinks after field day — so now trying to scramble other mothers in to place — also was supposed to be at halloween party on friday doing a food craft with the kids — just sent another mom a note hoping she’ll be my back up depending on how walshie pans out ——- worried I will have a long weekend of three sick kids and a sick husband — worried!
FCM
October 29th, 2009
6:57 am
HB our church voted to use individualized plastic cups rather than a Chalice for our communion. We also have the bread pre-cut rather than breaking a piece off a loaf. This was done for concern about swine flu and other diseases.
Fever and chills does sound like flu. Make Michael go to a doctor too.
Theresa your school lets you do Halloween? We aren’t allowed at our school though they do pumpkin stuffs. Go figure.
Hope Walsh and Michael are better soon.
JJ
October 29th, 2009
8:10 am
Thanks Catlady…..I did not know you were a teacher…..Thanks for clarifying…..
Tig
October 29th, 2009
8:40 am
@Corporate File&Rank
Yep, hehe ;)