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		<title>By: FCM</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/momania/2009/09/30/how-do-we-teach-kids-self-control/comment-page-2/#comment-10443</link>
		<dc:creator>FCM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 10:23:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the full article again.    Kindergarten teachers have &#039;centers&#039; that include housekeeping, blocks (wood), &amp; puppet center among others.

The first grade does not.    Further the children in our school spend increasing amounts of time doing writing/reading academics and less in even recess.    This has to do with QBE and NCLB I am sure.   Not to mention the homoginization of the classes in general.

So the question is, if this article is true how do we institute more of the play to learn in school?     Yes, some of this can be done at home, but lets face it not every kid has the luxury of going right home.    Additionally, it is the kids who cannot go straight home that are most at risk.

For our family, we choose to spend more $$$ on a higher end daycare.   We did use the school one in the past, and due to behavior changed.    What we have found was a decided decrease in the incidents that occurred in the afterschool progorgam.   I attributed this to not being in the same 4 walls for longer (they get gym and recess though) with the same teachers who are burned out from their academic day and like the supplemented income.

Now, I am wondering if it is not just the change of scenery.    The oldest is able to do legos, housekeeping, wood blocks, painting etc because they have pre-k room as their after-care classroom.    Instead of a 4th grader limited to board games and books, she has a wide variety of things to do .   Additionally, she often reads aloud to the younger children, and helps them problem solve in play--teaching if you will.    The playground has scooters, bikes, and in her opinion better play options than the school one.    

If their homework is done (and we go over it during 1:1 time when get home) then they are free to play while I get dinner.   It is always a desire to be the first to get 1:1 time (whomever has their things in order where they belong first goes first), so that they can play longer.   Play often involves dress up or dolls.   Many times I am brought &#039;dinner&#039; from the play kitchen while I make dinner in mine.  Sometimes I dine with queens, sometimes, with witches, and sometimes with a &#039;class&#039; at the lunchroom (this involves dolls).

With the medication focusing the child&#039;s brain, skill s that may well should have been learned earlier are starting to take root.   I am seeing growth in them.   So in my opinion it is probably &#039;fixing&#039; the medical side and doing just what we told my child when they went on the medicine &quot;retraining your brain.&quot;  (She by the way will tell you the medicine doesn&#039;t make her better, he just reminds her to make better choices.  Probably because we have the impulsivness under control).

Now, as to the organization issues mentioned in the article....GOOD LUCK!   I firmly believe you teach that only so far.   BO or FLYchild?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the full article again.    Kindergarten teachers have &#8216;centers&#8217; that include housekeeping, blocks (wood), &amp; puppet center among others.</p>
<p>The first grade does not.    Further the children in our school spend increasing amounts of time doing writing/reading academics and less in even recess.    This has to do with QBE and NCLB I am sure.   Not to mention the homoginization of the classes in general.</p>
<p>So the question is, if this article is true how do we institute more of the play to learn in school?     Yes, some of this can be done at home, but lets face it not every kid has the luxury of going right home.    Additionally, it is the kids who cannot go straight home that are most at risk.</p>
<p>For our family, we choose to spend more $$$ on a higher end daycare.   We did use the school one in the past, and due to behavior changed.    What we have found was a decided decrease in the incidents that occurred in the afterschool progorgam.   I attributed this to not being in the same 4 walls for longer (they get gym and recess though) with the same teachers who are burned out from their academic day and like the supplemented income.</p>
<p>Now, I am wondering if it is not just the change of scenery.    The oldest is able to do legos, housekeeping, wood blocks, painting etc because they have pre-k room as their after-care classroom.    Instead of a 4th grader limited to board games and books, she has a wide variety of things to do .   Additionally, she often reads aloud to the younger children, and helps them problem solve in play&#8211;teaching if you will.    The playground has scooters, bikes, and in her opinion better play options than the school one.    </p>
<p>If their homework is done (and we go over it during 1:1 time when get home) then they are free to play while I get dinner.   It is always a desire to be the first to get 1:1 time (whomever has their things in order where they belong first goes first), so that they can play longer.   Play often involves dress up or dolls.   Many times I am brought &#8216;dinner&#8217; from the play kitchen while I make dinner in mine.  Sometimes I dine with queens, sometimes, with witches, and sometimes with a &#8216;class&#8217; at the lunchroom (this involves dolls).</p>
<p>With the medication focusing the child&#8217;s brain, skill s that may well should have been learned earlier are starting to take root.   I am seeing growth in them.   So in my opinion it is probably &#8216;fixing&#8217; the medical side and doing just what we told my child when they went on the medicine &#8220;retraining your brain.&#8221;  (She by the way will tell you the medicine doesn&#8217;t make her better, he just reminds her to make better choices.  Probably because we have the impulsivness under control).</p>
<p>Now, as to the organization issues mentioned in the article&#8230;.GOOD LUCK!   I firmly believe you teach that only so far.   BO or FLYchild?</p>
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		<title>By: Terry</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/momania/2009/09/30/how-do-we-teach-kids-self-control/comment-page-2/#comment-10429</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 19:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Theresa - I could not find the study that you mentioned in the blog here, the one from Yale. I am really interested in seeing that because this kind of ties in with expulsions/suspensions during later years. There is some statistical data in Georgia showing that some counties really are suspending and expelling an awful lot and therefore excluding kids out of an education.  So I am very interested in the study . Thanks.

BTW, I like your idea of role- playing, that&#039;s something we did a lot when my kids were younger and now that their teenagers I still do it at times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Theresa &#8211; I could not find the study that you mentioned in the blog here, the one from Yale. I am really interested in seeing that because this kind of ties in with expulsions/suspensions during later years. There is some statistical data in Georgia showing that some counties really are suspending and expelling an awful lot and therefore excluding kids out of an education.  So I am very interested in the study . Thanks.</p>
<p>BTW, I like your idea of role- playing, that&#8217;s something we did a lot when my kids were younger and now that their teenagers I still do it at times.</p>
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		<title>By: His Mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>His Mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 21:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could ask the teacher to prompt him prior to the activities that seem most troublesome.  My 6yr old does best when he is told what is coming next and asked to tell us what the appropriate behaviors for that activity are.  *Especially during the non-structured times.  Teacher could possibly work out some &quot;codes&quot; to let him know that he&#039;s getting too chatty w/o chastising him.  Like making eye contact with him and touching the side of her nose...
For us, - if we are going into a store I tell him - then I ask what he is going to be doing while we shop.  When he starts wandering and touching things on the shelf, I snap my fingers, he knows he is supposed to return to my side in the store.  
His teacher also does prompting at school and it does make a big difference for us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could ask the teacher to prompt him prior to the activities that seem most troublesome.  My 6yr old does best when he is told what is coming next and asked to tell us what the appropriate behaviors for that activity are.  *Especially during the non-structured times.  Teacher could possibly work out some &#8220;codes&#8221; to let him know that he&#8217;s getting too chatty w/o chastising him.  Like making eye contact with him and touching the side of her nose&#8230;<br />
For us, &#8211; if we are going into a store I tell him &#8211; then I ask what he is going to be doing while we shop.  When he starts wandering and touching things on the shelf, I snap my fingers, he knows he is supposed to return to my side in the store.<br />
His teacher also does prompting at school and it does make a big difference for us.</p>
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		<title>By: DB</title>
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		<dc:creator>DB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 12:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ADHD is certainly a possibility, but we ran into another similar issue with my son when he was in 1st grade -- sensory defensiveness, a motor skills issue that presents as constant movement, etc.  I&#039;m not going to go into the long detailed explanation of how we discovered it, but T, you might want to Google it and see if any of the symptoms fit.  It is often confused with ADHD, as it presents with many similar symptoms, but it&#039;s addressed by a course of physical therapy, and there aren&#039;t too many psychologists or doctors who are familiar with it. But it was a godsend for us. If you&#039;re interested, T., I&#039;ll email you with how we discovered it -- suffice to say that the psychologist who originally diagnosed my son with ADHD is now screening kids for sensory defensiveness now before confirming it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ADHD is certainly a possibility, but we ran into another similar issue with my son when he was in 1st grade &#8212; sensory defensiveness, a motor skills issue that presents as constant movement, etc.  I&#8217;m not going to go into the long detailed explanation of how we discovered it, but T, you might want to Google it and see if any of the symptoms fit.  It is often confused with ADHD, as it presents with many similar symptoms, but it&#8217;s addressed by a course of physical therapy, and there aren&#8217;t too many psychologists or doctors who are familiar with it. But it was a godsend for us. If you&#8217;re interested, T., I&#8217;ll email you with how we discovered it &#8212; suffice to say that the psychologist who originally diagnosed my son with ADHD is now screening kids for sensory defensiveness now before confirming it.</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa's favorite cousin???</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theresa's favorite cousin???</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 19:33:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T, our family has some ADD poster children in it. How about your Dad, cousins, etc? NOT saying that is the problem, but just another genetic predisposition to look into. What about yoga? Get a free tape of mommy and me out of the library. You don&#039;t have to get into a regular practice, but once he&#039;s more aware of his body and breathing, he can self monitor his restlessness in school and have some tools to take him to a mellow place when he wants to get chatty. Good luck. Tell us what works for him :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T, our family has some ADD poster children in it. How about your Dad, cousins, etc? NOT saying that is the problem, but just another genetic predisposition to look into. What about yoga? Get a free tape of mommy and me out of the library. You don&#8217;t have to get into a regular practice, but once he&#8217;s more aware of his body and breathing, he can self monitor his restlessness in school and have some tools to take him to a mellow place when he wants to get chatty. Good luck. Tell us what works for him :)</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tiffany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, FCM! Hopefully the information that you posted will help someone. Parents should not be afraid to have a child tested. A parent needs to be an advocate for their child. Many times it is the child&#039;s parent that must step forward and ask for help for their child. The schools do not always wish to get involved or would rather label a child as a troublemaker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, FCM! Hopefully the information that you posted will help someone. Parents should not be afraid to have a child tested. A parent needs to be an advocate for their child. Many times it is the child&#8217;s parent that must step forward and ask for help for their child. The schools do not always wish to get involved or would rather label a child as a troublemaker.</p>
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		<title>By: Ypper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ypper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, this problem disturbes every student in the class. We can&#039;t teach others if we are constantly correcting students. We always kept extra books in my daughter&#039;s bookbag so that she would have something to do. I wish I had a solution for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, this problem disturbes every student in the class. We can&#8217;t teach others if we are constantly correcting students. We always kept extra books in my daughter&#8217;s bookbag so that she would have something to do. I wish I had a solution for you.</p>
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		<title>By: Theresa Walsh Giarrusso</title>
		<link>http://blogs.ajc.com/momania/2009/09/30/how-do-we-teach-kids-self-control/comment-page-2/#comment-10382</link>
		<dc:creator>Theresa Walsh Giarrusso</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 14:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t give him any allergy meds this morning so we&#039;ll see if he&#039;s better today --- But an easy change is the teacher is not going to let the three boys that get in trouble together go together alone into the bathroom or be by each other in line --- that should stop a lot of it in one fail swoop! I didn&#039;t realize that step hadn&#039;t been taken yet -- but I am going to try the role play, strategy games, and more exercise -- Plus try the allegra for my little guy ---- the teacher says she sees him trying to make good choices -- so at least she knows he&#039;s trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t give him any allergy meds this morning so we&#8217;ll see if he&#8217;s better today &#8212; But an easy change is the teacher is not going to let the three boys that get in trouble together go together alone into the bathroom or be by each other in line &#8212; that should stop a lot of it in one fail swoop! I didn&#8217;t realize that step hadn&#8217;t been taken yet &#8212; but I am going to try the role play, strategy games, and more exercise &#8212; Plus try the allegra for my little guy &#8212;- the teacher says she sees him trying to make good choices &#8212; so at least she knows he&#8217;s trying.</p>
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		<title>By: MomOf2Girls</title>
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		<dc:creator>MomOf2Girls</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 12:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t get on the board yesterday - too busy, but I sure hope Theresa reads it this morning.  My younger daughter (8) was on Flonase for congestion that is a result of her cleft palate repair (common problem, long explanation).  It drastically changed her behavior, making her very aggressive and sullen.  We didn&#039;t put 2 and 2 together until an incident at school where she &quot;swung scissors&quot; at another girl who make fun of her name.  I freaked and called the school counselor, who was very understanding and said that normally there are 5 things that cause behavior changes like this.  Can&#039;t remember all 5 (had to do with home / family changes), but #5 was medication, especially allergy meds.  Lightbulb went on, did some research, and found that although this isn&#039;t an official side effect, there were a lot of stories about kids her age having this problem.  Stopped the Flonase immediately and saw a drastic behavioral change for the better.

I agree with everyone about the unstructured outside play, but it&#039;s just not safe to do that anymore.  Too many predators.  I know they&#039;ve always been there, but it seems like it&#039;s much worse now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t get on the board yesterday &#8211; too busy, but I sure hope Theresa reads it this morning.  My younger daughter (8) was on Flonase for congestion that is a result of her cleft palate repair (common problem, long explanation).  It drastically changed her behavior, making her very aggressive and sullen.  We didn&#8217;t put 2 and 2 together until an incident at school where she &#8220;swung scissors&#8221; at another girl who make fun of her name.  I freaked and called the school counselor, who was very understanding and said that normally there are 5 things that cause behavior changes like this.  Can&#8217;t remember all 5 (had to do with home / family changes), but #5 was medication, especially allergy meds.  Lightbulb went on, did some research, and found that although this isn&#8217;t an official side effect, there were a lot of stories about kids her age having this problem.  Stopped the Flonase immediately and saw a drastic behavioral change for the better.</p>
<p>I agree with everyone about the unstructured outside play, but it&#8217;s just not safe to do that anymore.  Too many predators.  I know they&#8217;ve always been there, but it seems like it&#8217;s much worse now.</p>
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		<title>By: I sure am glad...</title>
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		<dc:creator>I sure am glad...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 11:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>...the ADHD junkies did not get started until really late yesterday and this morning or this topic could have gotten way off target early!  And, I am sure Theresa is glad, too!

FCM - go take another pill and relax - you made way too many arguments that support both sides of the issue - but ADHD was not the topic so I will not pursue further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;the ADHD junkies did not get started until really late yesterday and this morning or this topic could have gotten way off target early!  And, I am sure Theresa is glad, too!</p>
<p>FCM &#8211; go take another pill and relax &#8211; you made way too many arguments that support both sides of the issue &#8211; but ADHD was not the topic so I will not pursue further.</p>
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