Does spanking create dumber, more aggressive kids?

A new study from the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University found that children who are spanked as 1-year-olds are more likely to behave aggressively and did worse on cognitive tests as toddlers than children who were not spanked.

HealthDay News reports:

” ‘Age 1 is a key time for establishing the quality of the parenting and the relationship between parent and the child,’ said study author Lisa J. Berlin, a research scientist at the Center for Child and Family Policy at Duke University. ‘Spanking at age 1 reflects a negative dynamic, and increases children’s aggression at age 2.’ “

The study, which is published in the September/October issue of “Child Development” examined data on 2,500 white, Mexican American and black children from low-income families. The data included parents’ reports about their children’s behavior, their use of spanking, as well as home visits by trained observers to document parent-child interactions at ages 1, 2 and 3.

“About one-third of mothers of 1-year-olds reported they or someone in their household had spanked their child in the last week, while about half of the mothers of 2- and 3-year-olds reported that their child had been spanked.”

“The average number of spankings for 1-year-olds was 2.6 per week, while the average for 2-year-olds was nearly three.”

“The study found that children who were spanked at age 1 had more aggressive behaviors at age 2 and performed worse on measures of thinking abilities at age 3.”

“Being spanked at age 2, however, did not predict more aggressive behaviors at age 3, possibly because the spanking had begun at age 1 and by age 2 the kids were already more aggressive, Berlin said.”

Apparently just scolding your kids doesn’t increase their risk of bad behavior, as long as the mother is generally attentive and supportive.

In a related story ABC News examined how being raised by abusive parents affects your parenting. According to ABC News, studies show that one in three people who were abused as children will grow up to become an abuser.

“For more than a month last year, ABC News followed three parents in Florida who are trying to overcome those odds. Cameras rolled as the parents struggled to deal with their kids monster tantrums and meltdowns that could test anyone’s patience. The families volunteered for a mentoring program for at-risk parents called Parent Aide, run by the Toledo, Ohio-based National Exchange Club Foundation.”

PrimeTime on ABC showed the footage last night of how the families were handling their children’s discipline and how they could do a better job. The online story also reviews what the parents were doing wrong and how else they could have handled the situations.

In another related story on ABC News, a doctor offered 10 TIPS TO DEAL WITH DEFIANT CHILDREN, and I found them very interesting. Obviously they don’t want you spanking a child or even using time-outs repeatedly. The big thing this doctor recommends is just recognizing good behavior from your kids and constantly pointing it out.

Dr. Alan Kazdin of Yale University Parenting Center and Child Conduct Clinic, says in the ABC News story:

“Positive attention to good behavior can be a smile, a touch or praise — or all three — but do it right away and be specific about what it was the child did right every time. ‘Great job taking your dishes to the sink!’ works better than ‘Great job!’

I’m actually going to try his tips and email them to Michael. I like the idea of telling them frequently when they are good (I do it now but probably not enough!).

What do you think of each of these stories?

Do you buy that spanking at 1 or under will increase the child’s chances of behaving badly and doing poorly on cognitive tests? Did you notice how often these little 1-year-olds were getting spanked?

Do you spank? How young did you start spanking? How often do you spank?

Do you believe that abused children are more likely to abuse?

What did you think of the coping tips offered in the second story, as well as the 10 tips offered by the Yale professor?

202 comments Add your comment

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
2:55 pm

Ahhhh, Jack, I see the trap now. I can’t speak for others, but my husband and I love and respect each other. Therefore there is no “need” to change any behavior as we respect each other. (you know the Golden Rule.) If I have a problem with something he is doing (or vice versa) all I have to do is go to him and communicate my needs and why something bothers me. Children are learning. They are not always equipped to be as mature. JMHO.

Alright

September 17th, 2009
2:56 pm

Just who is the “real” lakerat? An does anyone really care? I think not.

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
2:58 pm

LOL, Jack….I’m Episcopalian. Our motto is that we all can agree to disagree. Haha

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
3:04 pm

Different personalities in children may dictate which form of discipline works better. With some children, all you have to do is give them a dirty look (that was me growing up). Others can be more stubborn and will defy you (my sister was more like this). You can’t always use a one method fits all.

motherjanegoose

September 17th, 2009
3:04 pm

@ lakerat…I am in awe that you are in my corner….thanks!

@ jack 5656 I always read your posts and many times agree, just not today. I do not hink you are stupid! I always appreciate a poster who has points that cause me to think!

@ Kathy, the state SAT scores are based on the entire group of GA students who take them. Many states only have students take the test who are actually college material and thus those that would score at the bottom of the barrel do not even take the test, making GA look really bad as most kids do take the test. It helps when you look at school districts scores where most of the High Schoolers in Ga are heading to college…in Gwinnett County, we generally score well above many of the other 50 states and not as low as the overall state statistics some may read in the paper.

@ those who are posting as me ( 2:17) when I just walked in the door 10 minutes ago…I am not interested in joining the blog when others are falsely posting under regular’s names. Y’all enjoy yourselves….

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
3:13 pm

There’s no trap here Nurse&mother..just questions to clarify the issue.

I don’t want to put words in your mouth here, but what I understand you to say is the following:

Corporal is appropriate when it can effectively change the behavior of people who can learn a lasting lesson from the punishment, but do not have the maturity to reason and communicate with others.

Now, assuming that is an accurate restatement of your position….is it just for children or anyone?

motherjanegoose

September 17th, 2009
3:21 pm

In case anyone wants to know…most may not, while GA High Schoolers tend to take the SAT test, many other states take the ACT test. Here is an ACT statistic to show that we ( in Gwinnett County) do not need to be ashamed at the state test ranking. Maybe no one else besides myself and JJ ( in our county) ever spanked their kids and this is why the country scores look better….LOL.

I am sure there are more recent scores but I do not have time to look.
Just have to brag a bit but my kids ( who were both spanked as a LAST resort…like nurse and mother’s… and probably less than a dozen times in their lives) both scored substantially better than the county, state and national average.
In 2005-06, Gwinnett County high school students averaged 21.6 of a possible 36 on the ACT, besting the state average of 20.2 and the national average of 21.1.

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
3:22 pm

Jack, NOT necessarily an accurate restatement. For the most part are you agreeing with me or just trying to get me riled up? Are you merely playing the Devi’s Advocate (as I sometimes do myself). Depending on your answer dictates MY answer. I’m not going to waste my time if you are just baiting me. (I have a lot of things I need to be doing besides blogging). Obviously if you disagree with me, I am not likely to change your mind (and vice versa).

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
3:26 pm

MJG…thanks. I actually don’t think I’m in a huge disagreement with anyone here. I will concede that responsible, reasonable corporal punishment has it’s place in certain circumstances between a parent and a child (school corporal punishment is a much bigger sell for me).

I am still waiting on an answer for why it should cease though. So far nurse&mother is the only person who has tread that water. At the end of the day is it solely a maturity issue and with maturity it becomes obsolete?

penguinmom

September 17th, 2009
3:31 pm

I think a 12-18 mo-old child should only be spanked in a safety situation. When they start running away from you in the parking lot, then a small pop gets their attention and reminds them that running in the parking lot is not something they want to repeat.

We have spanked all of our kids at one time or another. Not very often, but it doesn’t take much and then the threat of a repeat is enough.

All of my kids were smart enough to figure out that they didn’t want to continue a behavior that would get them in that kind of trouble.

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
3:32 pm

Just as I thought, Jack. No it is not “solely” a maturity issue (although it helps). I have better ways to occupy my time. Sorry I won’t engage in a battle of the wits especially when one wants to twist my words. Have a good day.

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
3:35 pm

Ok, one last thought. One of the reasons it ceases is that as the child grows, often times, restricting cell phone usage, company coming over, etc. seems to work better than physical punishment. Like I said earlier, the method depends on the child’s personality.

Mackey

September 17th, 2009
3:41 pm

Why are we acting like all kids are the same? What may work for one child, might not work for the other. Spanking may work for one child, and do nothing for another. It may make one child aggressive, and another child well behaved the rest of their life. Stop looking for the “Perfect” solution, and learn your child and what works for them. But I would take my chances spanking my child as to putting them in Time Out. “Spoil The Rod, Spoil The Child”. Every since some dummy said spanking is bad for kids…people have stopped, and the behavior of these kids have blown to OUT OF CONTROL.

HB

September 17th, 2009
3:49 pm

“Many states only have students take the test who are actually college material and thus those that would score at the bottom of the barrel do not even take the test, making GA look really bad as most kids do take the test.”

I hear this argument a lot, and it certainly has some influence on Georgia’s ranking, but probably not as much as many people seem to think. Using this reasoning, you would think that Georgia students taking the ACT, who usually “are actually college material,” would have an advantage in those rankings, right? Georgia’s average ACT score is still below the national average and the state is ranked 40th — better, but still the bottom quartile. A few years ago, when a smaller percentage of Georgia students participated, the ranking was actually lower — 47th — so hopefully, that’s a sign that things are improving. Rankings only mean so much, but when a state is consistantly near the bottom in a lot of different categories (test scores, grad rates, etc), the problem cannot be attributed just to the ways the numbers are crunched.

But of course, as MJG said, you can’t judge all schools by the average because some individual districts will perform better than the average (and some will perform worse!). It’d be interesting to see if more affluent communities in Georgia with more students going to college score as well as similar communities in other states as opposed to a comparison with other states’ averages. Has anyone run across a study that does that?

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
3:52 pm

@nurse&mother…I SWEAR to you I’m not baiting you. It just seems to me that many people view circumstances deserving of corporal punishment a lot like the Supreme Court views pornography…they can’t define it, but they “know it when they see it”.

So what I’m trying to get at is this….WHO, in your opinion, is deserving of corporal punishment? In one breath you reserve it for children, and in another you reserve it for those of a specific maturity level. So is it an age test or a maturity test? You seem to have a very black and white view of who SHOULDN’T be subjected corporal punishment (most notably, yourself and someone’s spouse) and that ambiguity is what I’m having problems with.

I know immature adults who would learn a lasting lesson from corporal punishment, I’m sure you do to. I’m sure if I got electric shock punishment after my 4th speeding ticket in a 2 year span, I wouldn’t have gotten my 5th a year later, but that seems to be off the table to you, even though I will be the first to admit that it would effectively change my behavior.

So to go back to my earlier question, what is the caveat that makes you think, well we can’t do it to THIS person? And before you think that I’m just baiting you, consider there are other cultures who do not believe that corporal punishment should stop at childhood. I’m sure you remember the caning sentence handed down to the American teen in Singapore years ago. It would seem that our culture says the appropriate punishment for a similar offense in the States is not corporal punishment. I’m just wondering where the line is drawn in your view, and what the justification for it is.

Honestly, Singapore seems a lot less hypocritical to me.

On the other

New Stepmom

September 17th, 2009
3:52 pm

MJG, I was spanked when I needed it growing up and graduated from a Gwinnett County HS with very good grades and an ACT well above the averages you mentioned. You and JJ were not the only ones spanking in GC.

I do not spank my step child (reasons for that in yesterday’s blog), but can see that it may very well be a method I use with any bio kids I have. I do think it can be very effective for the reasons you and JJ have mentioned!

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
4:01 pm

@nurse&mother…how exactly did I twist your words? i made the caveat, “my understanding of what you said”……You were free to correct my understanding.

I think I’m asking fairly straightforward questions here, but in case I wasn’t, here’s one:

Should there be an age limit on corporal punishment?

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
4:06 pm

Jack your comment on the “know it when you see it” is certainly accurate. Common sense goes a long way. It amazes me that so many folks lack this trait (hence the need to define many things regarding this topic).

The law seems to state that one cannot use physical punishment on another adult. I’ve personally seen a few cocky college age guys get the snot beat out of them from their peers. Probably a much needed lesson learned, imho. These guys certainly changed a little bit for the better. (although I am NOT necessarily condoning taking matters into one’s hands-merely saying sometimes the ends justifies the means-in the adults only situation).

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
4:09 pm

@nurse&mother…I agree with you whole-heartedly on your premise that ‘restricting cell phone usage, company coming over, etc. seems to work better than physical punishment’.

What I’m saying is that in my experience, with my 5 year old, I’ve never found a circumstance where physical punishment was more effective than other means at my disposal to curb poor behavior. I fully recognize that can change tomorrow, and/or my child just may not be one of those kids that just hasn’t acted out yet in a way that deserved it.

On the other hand, I think we’re being naive if we think that there aren’t an awful lot of parents who spank for a mulititude of reasons that have NOTHING to do with correcting behavior, and those parents shouldn’t be spanking their kids.

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
4:13 pm

Jack I didn’t correct you because I felt (and maybe you are truly not baiting me) that you were trying to set a trap. We do have a few trolls on here from time to time. I am running short on time as I really need to be doing a little housework and spending time with my precious children.

Not sure about the age limit on corporal punishment. I personally think there would be a little less violence in our society if there was not an age limit. (not saying yes or no. ) Not sure exactly how to answer that one although I am inclined to say no on the age limit thing. I will have to mull that one over.

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
4:18 pm

Jack, I wholeheartedly agree with your 4:09 post. I have two children with completely different personalities. I discipline them a little different.

Yes, I agree that many may not use physical discipline the way I do. BUT misusing physical discipline has another name- abuse. There can be a fine line, yes. It may be difficult to define, yes. Sometimes it is one of those situations where you “know it when you see it”- will have to agree on that too.

Things in life are not always black and white. Most of the time there are shades of gray (as I am learning over the years).

Does that answer your questions?

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
4:28 pm

I promise when I say this is the last post, guys. lol.

I suppose that those of us who spank without abusing our children take offense to others who lump EVERYONE together with those who beat their children. I really disliked my development of the family professor in college for having such a self righteous attitude towards ALL parents who choose ANY form of physical discipline. I have a hard time with folks who can’t see that there is a clear difference in an occasional pop on the fanny or back of the hand (and not leaving a mark) with someone beating the stew out of an innocent child who spilled a glass of milk accidently on the table. I think one looses credibility if he/she can truly lump the two together. JMHO. Over and out, guys. Enjoy the rest of the day with your family.

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
4:30 pm

Nurse&mother…you wrote….”BUT misusing physical discipline has another name- abuse. There can be a fine line, yes. It may be difficult to define, yes.”

And THAT is why I’m passionate about this topic and why this issue is scary. People seem to think that those of us who don’t spank are lazy or overly sensitive or weak willed. And I’ll concede that some of them are. But, IMHO, spanking your kid because a cop tells you the world would be a better place for it, or you were spanked as a kid and it worked for you, or “public humiliation does wonders”, are equally weak and lazy parenting philosophies.

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
4:32 pm

Common sense goes a long way, Jack. I don’t use physical discipline because my neighbor told me. I USE COMMON SENSE. Does anyone out there still possess a little common sense?????

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
4:35 pm

jack if you are having trouble with the gray areas in this topic, I suppose this is not the only issue you have trouble with. Life if full of gray areas. Not much is black and white (something I have had trouble with myself). Peace to you and have a wonderful day.

I apologize to the other posters who are tired of seeing my name.

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
4:39 pm

I agree, N&M…the distaste I have for spanking has nothing to do with you…and I’m not lumping you in with the abusers or those who spank for the wrong reasons, if I gave you that impression, I apologize.

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
4:48 pm

wow…just when I think we’ve found common ground I get accused of having other “troubles” with life. I’ll give you that though N&M, I’m not really a -”the Lord works in mysterious ways”, summarily accept actions without logic and reasons- kind of guy. You’ve got me pegged.

nurse&mother

September 17th, 2009
4:56 pm

If you didn’t notice I also admitted to having trouble with gray areas. (birds of a feather?) ;-D

Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
4:59 pm

There is an exceptionally fine line between abuse and spanking. It really gets me that people think that hitting children is a fine idea when with all the research, in a variety of formats, clearly says it is not a good idea. My question to the spankers – would you expect your boss to hit you when you didn’t meet a deadline – as an adult? My guess would be no and you’d file a lawsuit for harassment. The notion that hitting children is acceptable because you can’t rationalize with a 20 month old is a lame excuse is all. There are a million ways to train a child to behave and spanking is innapropriate. And further, did anyone actually watch the primetime show last night? If not, I wish you did.

For the person who stated that a district report that many corporal punishments in the school – agains proves it isn’t working. Why are they still doing it, if what you state is true, when there is not one college of education has it as a ‘best practice’ in an education setting. Further, no college of education teaches educators on any of this, so why is it used in an education setting.

The main problem I had growing up is it definitely made me more defiant and then later on rebellious. It didn’t stop me from my own foolishness and I even dared my parents to ‘go ahead make my day’ a couple of times.

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
5:06 pm

I did notice that…I guess where we differ is that I don’t find it to be a trouble at all. ;-)

jack5656

September 17th, 2009
5:16 pm

hey N&M..since it looks like you’re checking in (and I have “trouble” letting the grey areas go ;-P), let me ask you a followup question.

You say you’re inclined to not have an age limit for corporal punishment.

With that in mind, what, if any, circumstances can you think of that might warrant corporal punishment to an adult over the age of lets say….21?

Becky (original)

September 17th, 2009
5:23 pm

nurse&mother..Laughing at your guestion of does anyone out there possess a little common sense?? My boss says that NO, noone has any common sense anymore..I don’t 100% agree with that, but I do think that most people don’t have it (or at least don’t use it)..

motherjanegoose

September 17th, 2009
5:23 pm

Interesting link for ACT scores:

http://www.act.org/news/data/07/states.html

Not as many Ga high schoolers take the ACT as do the SAT test. Other states prefer the ACT over the SAT.

Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
5:24 pm

jack – great post at 4:30 pm

@nurse/mother – would you subject yourself to a whack from your husband when he says you have transgressed him – you know, just a little tap? My guess is no, am I wrong?

How about from your boss when you are habitually late, because you’re just not ‘gettin that being late from work is against company policy. Do you think just a small slap from your boss would make you change behavior..Again, you mention common sense – right back at ya dear.

Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
5:29 pm

@Mackey
Are you saying that those of us who do not spank are raising out of control children? I assure you if you are asserting that, it is false. My children are far from out of control, they are not perfect, but they are not out of control.

HB

September 17th, 2009
5:29 pm

“For the person who stated that a district report that many corporal punishments in the school – agains proves it isn’t working. Why are they still doing it, if what you state is true, when there is not one college of education has it as a ‘best practice’ in an education setting.”

I’m the one who posted that, and I hear ya. I was stunned that there were over 600 instances in the one school. Like I said, it’s right next to another district that has banned the practice, and I am familiar with both and can’t imagine the school paddling 600 times is seeing significantly better results than the middle school 5 miles down the road in the next district. I was shocked that there was that big of a difference in the two discipline approaches since the two school systems aren’t dramatically different from each other. I would have thought that if one used corporal punishment and the other didn’t, that it would be somewhat rare in the one that did.

Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
5:33 pm

A question for nurse/mother – you do realize that the latest research shows that when a teenager is subjected to corporal punishment, they often are more likely to suffer depression, confusion, drug/alcohol problems, trouble in school and on and on and on and on.

I can tell you flat out that it did not work for me, that I was defiant and had problems and I believe it negatively impacted me for life. I believe I was one very confused teenager who dabbled in a lot of foolishness, and I am lucky to be here today by the grace of God. But the hitting never ever stopped me, it spurned me on to defy authority more. That is why I chose non-spanking.

Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
5:38 pm

HB – what’s their testing scores at the school system reporting and is it broken down by individual school, now that would be an interesting study.Are any of the schools on a needs improvement. Have the numbers of corporal punishments risen and what have AYP done in relation to that? Now that would be interesting. What’s funny to me, is why is all this data collection even going on. What’s the point of documenting this really

I also pulled an open records request, would you believe 1 district reported over 2000+ in 2008. I kid you not.

By the way there is this little diddy just published in August:
http://www.hrw.org/node/84950 — which chronicles stuff going on in Georgia.

This report spurned a campaign in Florida that is ongoing on Facebook called ‘
Stop Hitting Our Kids Now – with over 700 members and still growing:
http://apps.facebook.com/causes/341382/41469811?m=6987e7df

Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
5:45 pm

looks like one of my posts has been placed in time out.. not sure why

Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
6:14 pm

HB – what’s their testing scores at the school system reporting and is it broken down by individual school, now that would be an interesting study.Are any of the schools on a needs improvement. Have the numbers of corporal punishments risen and what have AYP done in relation to that? Now that would be interesting. What’s funny to me, is why is all this data collection even going on. What’s the point of documenting this really

I also pulled an open records request, would you believe 1 district reported over 2000+ in 2008. I kid you not.

By the way there is this little diddy just published in August:
http://www.hrw.org/node/84950 — which chronicles stuff going on in Georgia.

This report spurned a campaign in Florida that is ongoing on Facebook called ‘
Stop Hitting Our Kids Now – with over 700 members and still growing:
http://apps.facebook.com/causes/341382/41469811?m=6987e7df

notgonnagiveone

September 17th, 2009
7:33 pm

Oh, and the top 10 things story…NOT 10 things…four things…one thing repeated with variation six times then three others (praise/reward six times and then the tenth is to make sure you do number one which was praise/reward…the other three were ignore, one time instruction and stay calm)…the argument is as old as time…to spank or not to spank (and the article you posted was about abused people … not spanked people so the association people draw from that is valid. To your mind spanking is abuse…

Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
7:45 pm

Unfortunately about half people polled will say that spanking is abusive and the other half will say not so. People’s attitudes have changed, because it was never thought of as abusive in the 70’s. At risk youth are more likely to be abused. And most people’s attitude about spanking is that it is good if it is a ‘controlled’ spank or loving spank. The notion of a loving spank is an oxymoron.

deidre_NC

September 17th, 2009
8:59 pm

lmao @ captain hammer ..”No, spanking a child does not make them dumb. If that were true most of us would be retarded that was good ….i was spanked..i spanked…or hit or whatever you want to call it. sometimes thats what it took…i didnt abuse. my kids are smart. they are not dumb and are not violent. wonder how that happened. btw-im pretty smart too and not violent. miracles do happen.

Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
9:02 pm

I really need to just shut the hell up because I’m the only one still talking and no one is listening to me.

Troll alert Retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
9:23 pm

9:02 post not me

catlady

September 17th, 2009
9:31 pm

Retired nurse and mother: I am a teacher with 38 years of experience. I have 2 master’s degrees (one in early childhood education) and a PhD, all from large state universities in the Southeast. My PhD was in research and policy analysis. I’ve had quite a few child development classes at BS and MS levels (and made As in them). I am a parent of 3 adults and (now) 2 grandchildren. I was NOT spanked as a child. My mom’s degree was in psychology, and I was a very timid child. My dad never raised his voice to me.

Used judiciously, a spanking can clear the air about who is in charge. I stand by that.

The study that provoked this seems to have SERIOUS problems in terms of design. I wouldn’t bet a cup of coffee on its results.

HB

September 17th, 2009
9:43 pm

Just curious, catlady, what about the design of the study bothers you?

Kathy

September 17th, 2009
9:46 pm

If you want to know anything about what is actually going on in your school district….Contact the state DOE. They will give you the answers that locals don’t normally like to leak….like corporal punishment. Now, why do you suppose the local system does not disclose the number of hits during a BOE meeting? How many of you actually can send me a site showing research that shows that children do better on high stakes tests if they are hit in school….high stakes test as per the federal No Child Left Behind. In Georgia, 3, 5, & 8 grade CRCTs…11th grade GHSGTs L/A and Math.
I would also like to see the PRO spankers, (other than SM…LOL) to show me that spanking keeps kids in school long enough to graduate, which is also a measure of NCLB. Don’t care about NCLB? Well, it is the federal law and school systems that don’t think the USDOE law applies to them? Not true because NCLB is tied to funding from Federal Dollars, Title I, which is WHY states monitor local eduaction agencies regarding Title I mandates. Anybody have a problem with holding parents responsible for disciplining their own kids instead of using our tax dollars to fund Title I schools to spank kids, which may make them dumber and deviant? Let’s see, Georgia schools utilize spanking in the education process, Georgia is 47th in the national standings as per SAT scores, and from my understanding Georgia has a overwhelming prison population. Could be a coincidence….

retired nurse/mom

September 17th, 2009
9:50 pm

Catlady. Will you discredit other studies from the University of New Hampshire, Tulane University and Dr. E.T. Gershoff too?

Kathy

September 17th, 2009
9:59 pm

motherjanegoose: I submit the School Council Institutes argument to your SAT claim.
Common issues. When analyzing test data, a few other points commonly come up. SAT scores have become the standard the public uses to rank states and high schools. When states are ranked according to the SAT, Georgia usually ranks in the bottom 5. The participation rate (70%+) is usually brought up as one explanation for the score. Georgia does have a high percentage of students taking the SAT. Yet Massachusetts and Connecticut have more than 10% more students taking the SAT and score more than 69 points higher. Delaware, Virginia and Maryland have about the same participation rate as Georgia, yet score significantly higher. The percentage of students awarded a diploma is also about the same as the percentage of students taking the SAT. Clearly, the participation rate is not the problem. The SAT is designed to measure how well prepared a student is for college. Our SAT scores reflect that too many of our students are not prepared for college. ACT scores are not as widely reported, but Georgia also ranks in the bottom 5 on that test.
http://www.georgiaeducation.org/councils/2009%20Section%202%20-%20Data%20Analysis.pdf
see pg. 2.10