Study:25 percent low-income kids having sex; average age 12

A new study of 1,000 low-income families in three major U.S. cities found that one in four children between the ages of 11 and 16 reported having sex, with their first sexual intercourse experience occurring at the average age of 12.77.

The Iowa State University news services reports:

” ‘So if 12 years was the average age here, that meant that some kids were starting at 10 or younger,’ said Brenda Lohman, an Iowa State University associate professor of human development and family studies (HDFS). ‘A handful of kids reported having sex as early as 8 or 9. We know from our follow-up interviews that one boy who reported having sexual intercourse for the first time at age nine had fathered four children by the time he was 18.’

“In the study, boys reported their first sexual intercourse at younger ages (averaging 12.48) than girls (13.16). Boys also had nearly 10 percent higher frequency of intercourse than girls.”

“Recent national research has found that 13 percent of girls and 15 percent of boys have had sex by the time they’re 16. Lohman says that means the rate of sex among her low-income sample is only slightly higher among the girls, but almost double among the boys.”

“African Americans also had 12 percent more early sexual intercourse than whites (29 to 17 percent respectively), although racial differences did not change the age of their first intercourse.”

The study found kids were more likely to have sex if: they committed juvenile crimes, were out past curfew, and had instability at home.

“They found that additional maternal education — beyond a high school level — was found to inhibit some of that activity.”

” ‘That can be for multiple reasons,’ Lohman said. ‘It can be that mothers have better paying jobs and more stable home environment and they’re less likely to be in stressful circumstances. It could also be that mothers then have greater cognitive capacities to sort of sit down and discuss the pros and cons of waiting to have sex until you’re older.’ “

The researchers are suggesting programs be set up to help mothers prevent early promiscuity.

The researchers believe schools start their abstinence programs too late.

One of the researchers said that she was shocked by the ages they were finding, and rightly so. I can’t imagine a child at 9, 10 or even 12 being the least bit prepared to have sex.

What do think of these numbers? What do think of this study? What can be done to help stop children, literally children, from having sex?

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motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
7:37 am

To me, this is very sad. I will not pretend to have answers for this one.

I do know that YOUNG children are becoming more and more sexually versed, per the stories I hear from the teachers who are attending my presentations. Children are seeing and hearing things way too early and repeating what their parents are saying or what they see on TV or movies they should not be watching…some of it is quite crude.

I suppose, children like anyone else, will seek love and affection…if they are not getting what they need from their parents or other close adults. Our society is somewhat in a free for all, as far as sex goes and perhaps this is trickling down….I do not know.

While I would like to agree with HB and give most people the benefit of the doubt, I have seen and heard way too much. Thus I choose to agree with catlady when she says, “common sense is not so common anymore….”

Perhaps we should ask grandparents what they think needs to be done.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
7:42 am

OOOPS…I meant to share this illustration…

A 5 year old told his teacher, ” My Dad has a new girlfriend. The do the hootchie koo. It’s o.k. because they are going to get married soon and all married folks do it too….”

WOW….some may think this is cute but to me, why does the 5 year old know this or need to know?
Perhaps I am WAY too old fashioned but some things need to be more private.

If you had a five year old who played with this child and your child may come home with this story…

HB

August 19th, 2009
8:08 am

This is horribly sad, but Theresa, could you please take a closer look at your headline and the story? If I’m reading the story correctly, it does not say that the average age that low income children first have sex is 12. Rather, that’s the average age among the 25% who are having sex between the ages of 11 and 16 (I think — correct me if I’m wrong). Those are two very different statements.

And clearly, the children who are having sex so early are not in good home situations, and as a society, we need to find ways to improve the lives of the impoverished. But this won’t cause me to assume that every parent I see whose child is having a bad moment or who spills something lacks common sense.

As for looking to previous generations for answers, while this is horrible, many people have a misguided notion that things were so much better in yesteryear. The poor have always suffered. During the 20th century, children worked in horrible factory conditions. In some areas, it wasn’t uncommon for children to be married by 13! My mom who grew up in rural Georgia in the late-40s to early 60s laughs and the idea of how great things were “back then.” Her small family home had running water only for the kitchen sink — no toilet or bathtub. And in that area, they were not “poor” but average. Being white, she did have the opportunity to attend a local school with a reasonably sound building, but she said the black children’s school could barely be called a building and they had no school bus. So yes, terrible things happen and we shouldn’t be blind to the problems people face, but there was never a time when everyone was in church on Sunday, crime was nonexistent, and all people treated each other with kindness.

Photius

August 19th, 2009
8:29 am

Good people don’t reproduce enough…. but the morons reproduce like Rabbits who amount to nothing and the cycle of stupidity repeats itself.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

August 19th, 2009
8:46 am

HB – I’m rechecking with the headline on the piece. I am terrible at stats so I will double check –

Jesse's Girl

August 19th, 2009
8:49 am

So true Photius….so true. The people that have no business sharing their gentic code…are the ones throwing it around like candy at a parade. I have seen this first hand…sadly. The studio I worked along side a few years back was primarily a Hip Hop oriented studio. They had some amazing people working there…brilliant. But the folks that were coming in to record were dumb a$$es. And they brought every person they ever met in life to watch them record. It was sickening to see some of these KIDS….and they were, 12-13-14…behaving in the ways I witnesses. I had a conversation about it with the studio owner…who is black. He said thats just how it is in certain neighborhoods. No daddys….little money…no attention school and grades. And the racial mix of these kids was 60% black, 30%white and 10% Asian/Hispanic….so its not just the poor black kids this is happening with. I was appalled daily.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
8:59 am

@ HB

“But this won’t cause me to assume that every parent I see whose child is having a bad moment or who spills something lacks common sense”

I do not make any assumptions until I see how the parent reacts, as kids will always be kids. This gives me tremendous insight into who is lacking in the common sense arena. I guess I have been a teacher for so long that I respect parents with common sense and thrilled with children are managing confidently in life. An old saying is, “the apple does not fall far from the tree…”

You and I are very different stages and locations in our lives and we have a different approach.
Suffice it to say that our opinions are different….perhaps polar opposites. I base mine on my experiences and so do you.

I work, most every day, with children and have been ( in schools) with children from Florida to Alaska. I am also indebted to the teachers who share relevant information with me. This is where my insights come from.

I do not know about rural GA as it was when your mom grew up, so those are very valid points too!

“So yes, terrible things happen and we shouldn’t be blind to the problems people face, but there was never a time when everyone was in church on Sunday, crime was nonexistent, and all people treated each other with kindness.”

Even if things have never been perfect, can each of us make a difference in some way?
Contrary to what you may think, I try to share some form of kindness every day and I challenge my clients to do likewise. If everyone does a little a lot can get done.

Off of my soapbox….

Michelle

August 19th, 2009
9:02 am

Wow…that is a little earlier than I would have thought! I knew around 14 or so that was definitely happening. It is sad to think that these kids who don’t even have control over regular emotions are adding a whole new turmoil to their lives. For some people, sex is just sex. For some though, it is a means for affection, connection, acceptance. We need to teach these kids how to have respect for themselves and others. They need to have a reason to strive for something different than what they know.

Aaron

August 19th, 2009
9:26 am

Helloooooooooooo. Is anyone surprised? It’s all that great parenting by the thugs. They don’t properly teach their kids which is why they are having sex so young, robbing people, killing people, ruining Atlanta, etc. If they would make them go to school and get an education, maybe things would be a little better.

Captain Underpants

August 19th, 2009
9:27 am

This is neither sad nor surprising.

This is just a confirmation of bad or lack of parenting, a breakdown in society, continued Dems policy failures and lazy good for nothing adults taking zero interest in themselves or their offspring.

The parents are probably just as bad or worse than the leeches they produce. Poverty begets poverty with the same bad attitudes leaping from generation to generation.

The bottomline is lack of morals and lack of character.

KAG

August 19th, 2009
9:29 am

That’s a bunch of bs. A child’s decision to have sex is largely based on how they were raised and their moral values that were instilled by their parent/s or guardian.

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wae

August 19th, 2009
9:31 am

Why not? The more kids they have, the bigger house they will get from the welfare system called Section 8. I am a landlord I know. I also know it is a broken system that needs to be fixed. The tax payers suppor these people, they start having sex and babies too, too early.

Donna P.

August 19th, 2009
9:31 am

Ridiculous study, I hope my tax dollars didn’t pay for it. I’m from a middle-class neighborhood in Northern Virginia; most of the parents worked for the government and had steady incomes, etc. My friend “Lori” had sex at age 12 (her father worked as an air traffic controller). There were other young women; 12 – 14 whom had sex. I waited until I was 17. All of this took place back in the early 1980’s. To say low income 12 year olds are having sex because of their income statist is crazy. All kinds of young people are having sex early in their lives. They need to be informed about STDs, AIDS, pregnancy, etc. Some parents have blinders on and don’t discuss sex at home. It is a mistake not to be open with their children about this important issue.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
9:33 am

@Photius and JG, I wholeheartedly agree with you but did not want to risk such a rash opinion this early as the naysayers would be jumping all over me and turn the blog into a criticism of my comment vs. sharing some insights we could actually learn from. Thanks for your opinions.

IMHO: too many rabbits are now voting … we will see how this will make things better….

@michelle: They need to have a reason to strive for something different than what they know.
To me, this would make all the difference in the world…great point….

pd

August 19th, 2009
9:33 am

If we didn’t have a societal structure in place that makes it difficult, these would be the natural breeding ages for the “wild” human. Unfortunately, these children are not a part of, nor do they understand the societal structure in place. Therefore, they are behaving like wild humans.

Coop

August 19th, 2009
9:34 am

There is very little supervision for our children. Many of these children live in single parent homes and they come home from shcool to empty homes on a daily basis. Parents have to work!

Renee

August 19th, 2009
9:35 am

I believe that some of these children may have been molested. The majority of them are exposed to sexually explicit material early on. Too many parents are not monitoring what their children watch on TV, what they listen to on the radio/cd’s. The parents are also not taking into consideration who their kids play with or hang around. We are constantly bombarded with sex via, billboards, commercials, tv shows, etc. Daytime commercials are just as bad as those shown at night. Early intervention is needed. Sex education begins at home. Parents need to utilize resources available if they are not comfortable having this discussion. If you are comfortable, make sure that you have ALL the information you need to answer any questions that your child may have.

joshua

August 19th, 2009
9:36 am

I remember starting middle school in 1986 in Atlanta Georgia. I remembered that I was 11 and didn’t know anything about sex but it seemed like I was in the very severe minority. I made the mistake of telling people that I was a virgin. And I remember the ridicule that I received. My parents were going through a divorce and my mother was not making a lot of money at her job, so we moved to a neighborhood with Section 8.

So, all of the children that I dealt with were having sex except me. Or at least they said that they were. So to me this is not new information. My perception was and is that it must have gotten worse because my experience was some 23 years ago.

The big problem with this picture is with young African American men. There must be a realization within them that they can achieve dreams and that they can be challenged mentally and it be a cool thing. And African American Men must challenge African American men to be men. It is going to take men to go into communities and challenge these young men to do better. If that never happens, then it will continue to spiral uncontrollably to levels of depravity that we have never seen.

Renee

August 19th, 2009
9:37 am

I believe that we need to get back to the basics and look at what God says about sex. If you are not a Christian, what does your religion say regarding sex? The kids need to know that sex is not just sex. There are many facets involved when you become intimate with someone.

Jim morrison

August 19th, 2009
9:38 am

Correct wae,

That is how the New Society has failed and the DEMS want to keep these people on welfare, food stamps, and any other government program in the hope of getting or keeping votes..i.e. Obama Care ring a bell.

These kids are raised in this type of world. Stuggle, have kids, get government assistance and the like. Therefore, the trend continues. Plus, the hip hop music with the ebonics and incorrect grammer that one hears daily is glorified my radio stations and the media as hip.

To me, there has never been a strong push to promote education in the media like other things out there.

My opinion is if you have a child and you are on or have been on the welfare system for years, then you get your tubes tied for free to stop the reproducing for others to support.

darkness

August 19th, 2009
9:39 am

Kids have an extreme need for affection and love at all stages of their life especially during this time of extreme change. These kids are just acting on pressures from society and their friends. It has been happening for years and will never change until parents take action to talk to their children about this subject. There needs to be a lot of truth and relevancy to the talk about sex. Their should be a consequence discussion that holds back no punches so that kids know the real dangers. We need to stop allowing our kids to learn from the media that sex is ok or fun and teach them the real meaning behind this topic.

The vulnerabiliy of kids at these ages is a serious factor in this whole debate and we need to take a serious stance.

Deborah Gibson

August 19th, 2009
9:39 am

Dixie, I will assume that you are less than “clued in” on the actual statistacal date of welfare recipients. Let me buy you a clue, if you will: Whites form the largest racial group on welfare; half of all welfare recipients leave in the first two years; and teenagers form less than 8 percent of all welfare mothers. So besides the fact that you are igorant, before you start speaking, Ebonics, please get your facts straight.

Jeremy

August 19th, 2009
9:39 am

Why is this so surprising? These parents are failures as individuals. They can’t even make a decent living (or don’t care to try). Why would you be surprised that they are failures as parents as well? And yes, I know, there are always exceptions to the statement; however, the only reason you can’t make a good living in this country is because of your own poor decision making.

RCH

August 19th, 2009
9:40 am

Like usual, it’s society’s fault. Society has been conditioned to accept premarital sex. But did society climb into bed with that women and create that child?

tdmfs

August 19th, 2009
9:40 am

And the surprise is where? How much did this cost the taxpayers? All the researchers had to do was monitor the news in any large metro area and obtain the same results.

C.J.

August 19th, 2009
9:41 am

One in five adults with genital herpes. I forgot the stats on teens with STD’s but its up there. All a result of the free love movement of the 60’s. The whole Woodstock generation should be patting themselves on the back, because this is the fall out from their maligned viewpoints. Abortion, divorce, STD’s, now 12 year old’s having sex! Great job, once again–FREE love is never free! Idiots.

not a parent but still concerned

August 19th, 2009
9:41 am

This doesn’t shock me. After reading the news article about the 8 year old girl who was gang raped by 9-15 year old boys, nothing shocks me anymore. We need better parenting. Now we have “childproof” everything. We now have programs that teach our kids, instead of the parents teaching their kids. But I dont’ blame most of the parents, I see a lot of parents working their tales off just to support their family. Some have two jobs and are hardly ever home so they have to pay someone else to raise their children. Society is changing. It’s ok to have sex now. No big deal. People don’t wait until marriage anymore. I heard many older adults tell me “you have to have sex before marriage and live with someone before you marry them, to make sure that’s what you want” WHAT!? I think it all boils down to a lack of respect. We don’t respect much these days. Marriage, communication, sex, elders, laws, and other important things like that. We’ve become PC. We’re trying to make everyone happy and it’s not working. We tell kids its ok if you have sex before your married, we try not to encourage it, but we won’t be upset if it happens. I had a friend, who’s mom went and bought him a box of condoms when he was 12, cause she knew the day was coming. She’d rather him be prepared. I say, why not talk to him about it, and convince him to not do it until he’s ready! His first sexual incounter was 13…on a train…with a 16 year old girl. I wish I could turn back time and raise kids when I was a kid. Seemed much simplier then. Though I didn’t wait until marriage, I still waited a LOT longer than kids are now. And in all honesty, if I could take it back, I would have waited even longer. We need to turn this trend back around. Maybe there is a reason people shouldn’t know EVERYTHING.

Charity

August 19th, 2009
9:41 am

@ Coop

I wholeheartedly agree with you. People automatically want to start saying that it’s a black thing without saying, you know, using words like thugs, gangstas and drive bys when in actuality low income could be from a nasty divorce and the parent has to work and the children are unsupervised and prob just lashing out. I hate statistics. Even when I took it in school. So vague and you can always expect the racist, sexist and colorist to find a way to make the numbers not pertain to themselves.

HB

August 19th, 2009
9:42 am

MJG wrote: “Even if things have never been perfect, can each of us make a difference in some way?”

Absolutely we can.

Thanks for looking into the headline, Theresa.

Staci

August 19th, 2009
9:44 am

There are still too many double-standards in society. Many would think it odd for someone to be out of high school & still be a virgin. They might even be labeled abnormal or worse for it. Yet we wonder why kids (high school and younger to me is a ‘kid’) are having sex.

DAVID

August 19th, 2009
9:48 am

DO NOT BELIEVE THE STUDY…How do you verify the results of the study-???….You cannot.

Todd

August 19th, 2009
9:53 am

Photius
I have been saying this for years. The smart people have the kids that they can afford. The morons of the world reproduce like rabbits. Why not let your kids be kids and not have the extra burden of growing up too fast?

bob

August 19th, 2009
9:56 am

As long as the liberals reward bad behavior, we will see bad behavior, Look at the effects of welfare !

DAVID

August 19th, 2009
9:57 am

BELIEVE THE STUDY IS PURE B.S….Most adolescent boys will swear on a bible they have had SEX……just to fit in…It is the Macho thing to admit.It is cultural….Believe the results of this study are rigged…to get more funding for more research.

Jaye

August 19th, 2009
9:57 am

Having worked for the Girl Scouts for many years, I think it’s obvious tat girls are becoming sexually aware, and sexually active, in a way that is alarming. Parents – both mom and dad – need to step up to the plate and raise their children. Yes, it’s a hard job – the hardest. Next, they and other adults who care about children should speak up about the blatant sexual messages that barrage the lives of children and young people in our society today. There has been no line drawn for children. Adults must have the courage to do this. We must role model for our children.

Realistic Teacher

August 19th, 2009
9:59 am

To me the sad part that is not mentioned in the article is that some of the parents don’t seem to think that this is a problem. I teach 8th grade in a low-income school; roughly 75% of our students are on free or reduced lunch. One of my parents is a waitress at a local resturant and when I saw her this summer at the resturant, she informed me that her daughter became a woman this summer “in both ways”. It was like she was sctually proud of the fact that her 13 year old daughter had been having sex. This, IMO, is the saddest part.

Mad Money

August 19th, 2009
10:03 am

Ok. Lets get real! In a low income home usually means that either it is a one parent home or an uneducated household. Either way, the child suffers from guidance and we all know that children need constant reminders on what and what-not to do. SO EVEN IF THEY GET PROPER ADVICE AT HOME THEY GENERALLY GET THE OPPOSITE FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT IS MORE THAN LIKELY LOW INCOME STATUS. THERE IS ALOT MORE THAT I CAN SHARE FROM EXPERIENCE BUT I WONT BABBLE.

Jen

August 19th, 2009
10:04 am

Geee I wonder what percent are black? Gotta love the thugs!

pd

August 19th, 2009
10:04 am

I always laugh at the people who strike out blindly against the parents in these situations.

The child has a child at 12, so you blame the 12 year old’s mother who was 14 when she had her baby. You pitied the child until she made the same mistake and then you strike out against her.

Yeah, that 12 year old should have raised her daughter not to have sex at 12!!!

JH

August 19th, 2009
10:05 am

Hey… I wonder when LIBERALS and the ACLU would step up and take credit for this social disaster. When they forced God out with their “separation of Church and state” crap, which btw was never stated in the Constitution, they also forced out any kind of moral foundation and values education that were taught to children of generations past. This vacuum was subsequently filled with all the reality shows and garbage that some termed as entertainment and you are surprised about the results of this study? It is all I can do as a parent today to shield my kids from all the crap that is out there and preserve their childhood.

Again, thanks ACLU and LIBERALS.

Ashlie

August 19th, 2009
10:08 am

This is such a sad statistic. I do point my finger at the parents/guardians… Be more involved in your kid’s lives. If you don’t “have time” get them involved in other activities. I highly recommend “Big Brothers, Big Sisters” this gives them the type of mentors they need/desire. I have worked with them and volunteered for them. I have seen first-hand how much of an impact and positive influence it can have on “latch-key kids”, etc. It costs nothing on your part, as a parent, and has a world of positive effects on the kids involved.

On another note, a friend of mine who teaches 1st grade in the Atlanta area noticed two of her kids from class on the playground. They were holding hands, and walking. She asked them what they were doing. Their response? “Going to the local motel”… Kids are seeing and hearing WAY too many things on tv and especially from other adults… Be careful what you say/do around them. They are TOO impressionable.

REX FERAL

August 19th, 2009
10:09 am

Tell ‘em like it is, C.J.

FCM

August 19th, 2009
10:09 am

In some documented histories of Puritan New England, it was not unusal for a couple to get engaged and have a year to 18 months ‘engagement’ but the bride waddle down the aisle.

I cannot recall which trash novel had the line but I loved it “Why does each generation thinks they invented sex?”

Does that mean I want my children having sex. HELL NO! I want to lock them in a closet and keep them safe. (I won’t do that either)…..What I will do though, is educate them and advise them. My 9yo knows more than most, and one of my best friends thinks it is crazy. However the first time I spotted her freezing framing a shirtless Zac Efron (age 7) I knew I could bury my head in the sand or I could do the right thing by her and start the dialogue…..When she realized that her being here meant her Dad and I had sex….OMG! Her face was priceless….then she said “You have to promise me you and Daddy will NEVER, NEVER, NEVER do that with each other again!” Since we are divorced I had no problem promising. ;)

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Get Real People

August 19th, 2009
10:14 am

I am amazed at the racist misinformation being thrown about as facts by some people commenting on this blog.

NEWSFLASH: The majority of people receiving welfare are not BLACK!!!!
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Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:
Traits of families on AFDC (1)

Race
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White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

Back on topic….too many of our young people are bombarded with images in the media that say it is okay to have sex without worrying about the consequences. There is no stigma attached to having babies without having a husband. Baby Daddies and Baby Mammas images are glorified throughout our society these days. Young people see it all the time with the rich and famous who shack up and make babies without the need for a marriage. However they don’t realize that these people have access to resources that they don’t have that permit them to provide for their child.

Where are these kids parents??? Why are they not being held accountable???

Dan

August 19th, 2009
10:17 am

Thank you Stell, once again the impact of “journalistic” sensationalism

Light

August 19th, 2009
10:17 am

Not surprising… how many of us plant seeds in our childeren with the use of music videos and movies. On the flip side how many of use that same energy in planting seed of truth knowlege and wisdom in the children? What is truth one may ask? Who do u belive in…. have the Lord of your life lied to you… if not why are we apprehensive of follow his principles of life?

JATL

August 19th, 2009
10:19 am

I agree with Photius and JG and others who are like-minded. The findings of this study make me want to puke, and DAVID, if you don’t believe it then you should spend some time in a low-income middle school. It’s disgusting! I do want to make clear that I am including ALL races and ethnicities in my comments. Too many see this as a “black” problem, but I’ve found that when it comes to trashy people, it’s across the board. I must also qualify my statements to say that I DO NOT consider all poor people to be trashy!!!! There are a number of low-income folks who, for whatever reason, are poor but have high morals and teach their children well. My mother grew up very poor and particularly in this day and age (and even in the early 60s) would have been thought of as a prime target for teenage motherhood, but she was taught better and at least when she was an adolescent, unwed motherhood at an early age was something to be ashamed of that you avoided.

Perhaps the BIGGEST pro-active thing we could do would be to institute a nation-wide comprehensive sex education program that started in Kindergarten with age-appropriate materials and went through high school -like they do in Scandinavia where they have extremely low rates of teen pregnancy, abortion or STDs and they also have free birth control available at the high schools but in Denmark the average age of first sexual intercourse is 19 -that’s NINETEEN people!

We need to quit listening to the religious nuts and say -look, this is an epidemic that’s putting considerable strain and burden on society and our children. If you don’t like it -home school -but if you’re using public school your kid IS going to learn from the get-go how to be sexually responsible!!!

From my teaching experience I encountered a number of kids today who are taught to at least wait awhile and be careful, but a lot of people who are low-income are low-income because they’re too ignorant and lazy to be anything else (lazy being the operative word -they COULD take advantage of free educations and college and training opportunities, but they’re too lazy to do it). They tend to breed out of control starting at an early age (much like cockroaches or rats), and they raise their kids with multiple partners around thinking nothing of it. They’re the same people who seem to think it’s just so cute to dress their 5 year olds like little hookers and pimps in half shirts, platform shoes, earring studs (OH YES -I do preschool assessments and have encountered loads of poor 3 and 4 year olds with “grills” and cubic zirconia studs on the boys) and the like. They make sex jokes and are open with sex in front of VERY small children and think nothing of it. There’s also a lot of sexual abuse in these homes from all the different “boyfriends”, drug and drinking buddies who come in and out of the home on a revolving basis.

Renee -you commented about people’s relationship to God helping the situation, but SO MANY of these folks are “deeply religious” but that doesn’t seem to apply to screwing.

I’ve been astounded in my interactions with these people at just how many of them think absolutely NOTHING of teenagers (even really young ones) being sexually active and getting pregnant/causing pregnancies. There is going to have to be some kind of HUGE shift in parenting and society before this changes. I hate to say it, and I hate to punish kids who haven’t been taught any better, but I don’t think it would be a bad thing if the whole idea of having a baby in middle school and high school was something you should be ashamed of and afraid of having happen to you -like it used to be even 25 years ago when I was in high school.

I would also LOVE to see drastic government programs that ended Section 8 all together and imposed draconian measures for continuing to breed if you’re on public assistance. I would be VERY happy for my tax dollars to pay for abortions, vasectomies and tubal ligations. Our tax money already pays for free birth control at the county health offices, but these morons are obviously too clueless and lazy to acquire and use it. And don’t start with me on class and racial or ethnic warfare. Hey, guess what -I don’t think society would be hurt by having fewer low-class people! I also think that the decent people in every ethnic group and racial group would then get to enjoy more of the fruits of their labors if they weren’t carrying the burden of so much trash. For anyone who doesn’t like it -try to make something of yourself and teach your kids to do the same! There will always be some who fall through the cracks and go down this road, but we certainly don’t need to encourage millions!

anonymous coward

August 19th, 2009
10:19 am

Oh….my….god. 6 more months in this hell hole and then I can leave all you idiots behind. It can’t come soon enough.

Todd

August 19th, 2009
10:22 am

The problem with your stats Get Real People is that Blacks are only 12 percent of the population but 37 percent of the welfare population. Whites are 60 percent of the population but only 38 percent of the welfare population. Welfare is to blame for much of this peoblem. I’m not blaming blacks. I think they are victims of welfare. Unfortunatly have been talked into believing that the Dem. are working for them by providing more welfare. When in reality they are keeping them poor and uneducated.

Look who's at the top of the list

August 19th, 2009
10:24 am

Here are the statistics on welfare recipients:
Traits of families on AFDC (1)

Race
————–
White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

Time on AFDC
—————————
Less than 7 months 19.0%
7 to 12 months 15.2
One to two years 19.3
Two to five years 26.9
Over five years 19.6

Number of children
——————-
One 43.2%
Two 30.7
Three 15.8
Four or more 10.3

Age of Mother
——————
Teenager 7.6%
20 – 29 47.9
30 – 39 32.7
40 or older 11.8

savannah

August 19th, 2009
10:26 am

keep em in the houseeeee

White Guy

August 19th, 2009
10:30 am

I agree with Stell Simonton. If most of the uneducated people (I did say people, not thugs, gangsters, or blacks) would take the time to comprehend what they are reading, we wouldn’t get so many ignorant comments. GOTTA LOVE THE SOUTH!!! Read the article again.

The quotation pulled from the report — and the report itself — is misleading. According to the report, only one-fourth of the low-income kids had sex before the age of 16. Of that one-fourth, the average age was 12. The report does NOT say that the average age of sex for low-income kids is 12, but that’s what a lot of people are going to take away from this. In fact, the headline could equally say: Most low-income kids don’t have sex until 16 or later.

OneChris

August 19th, 2009
10:30 am

Low Self Esteem = Gateway to many things such as sex, drugs, etc.
The saying is true that is does take a village to raise a child.
The solution is for everyone to be involved in a child’s day to day so as to spark their interest in other things such as sports, crafts, youth groups at church or civic groups, etc.
Children need to feel it is also acceptable to be a virgin. Society at present mocks the virgin.

Shonuff

August 19th, 2009
10:30 am

This is not just happening. I am 35 years old and this was going on when I was same age. I remember the conversation and the more experienced girls coming on to the boys. I grew up in a single parent home without my father and my mother made sure I knew right from wrong. I made some bad choices and I knew what was going to happen to me for making the choice that I did. Some parents, not all, treat there kids as their peers and not their children. This is a REAL problem. You can be your childs friend and a parent. But there is a difference between peers and friends.

A blind eye has just been turned to the fact and now it is coming out. It would not suprise me if the statistics were even higher than what they are.

RollerGirl

August 19th, 2009
10:31 am

Trash begets Trash. Low income people are low income people because of the lifestyle choices they make and the cultures they embrace.

SD

August 19th, 2009
10:32 am

Children are definately a product of the enviornment. If they are not getting the love and attention at home they are going to find it somewhere. If they see and hear about child support and welfare money they are going to live for that monthly check as well. Ignorant parents teach of this behavior. The welfare, medicaid/peachcare, section 8 housing, and child support systems need to be looked at in our government. There should be a set amount that it takes to raise a child, and that amount should be split equally between the parents. Child support should not be based off income. All children should be treated equal. Why should one father pay $1500.00 per month and another father only pay $200.00? Children learn of this and gives them the desire like free money. The more children the more income and no work is required. I had my first child at 16 and am very successful in life and received $148.00 per month in child support, I have worked my behind off to support my family. I was adventurous because I was lacking attention at home.My parents were afraid to talk about sex, afraid that would be to informative. They were wrong!! My son is very respectful of what I have done for him and knows importance of working hard and right from wrong. Our government is paving this pathway for our children, blame it on the parents and most importantly the government!!

:/

August 19th, 2009
10:36 am

When our forefathers came here, we were a white race. Now we have a diverse culture. But mainly here at my school, we have blacks and hispanics failing left and right and white people trying to make something of their lives. So my qq is, why can’t the immigrants who travel here go back to their homeland to produce their babies. This is the downfall of our society as of today. We support the low-lifes who came here for jobs but did nothing, but produce babies.

Amber

August 19th, 2009
10:37 am

While disparities do exist among race and socio-economic status, that is not the point. Let’s learn something from this. This is not the only study to yield these results, and many children are having sex this early. Let’s teach values and education, but please don’t turn a blind eye.

I knew kids (male and female) that were having sex at 13 when I was in school. Not that the following things matter, but to make a point–my parents are highly educated and hold white collar jobs that provided for a strong school system in a suburban neighborhood. I participated in religious activities and sports growing up. Based on the comments of many posters, one would not think children in the environment described above would experiment sexually. I’m glad that number was not 8 or 9 years old when I was in school, but 13 isn’t great either. I just think that we need to open our eyes, though it is alarming. Refuting the study or solely attributing it to demographics isn’t wise if we want to turn this around.

Andy in Blairsville

August 19th, 2009
10:39 am

More proof only stupid people are breeding.

Dan

August 19th, 2009
10:40 am

Get real – you are correct those are well known or should be well known. The issue of course is not the absolute percentage on welfare but the fact that a population segments that comprise about 74%,13%,14%, and 4% of the entire population (in the order you listed above) comprise 39%,38%,17%, 3% of the welfare population respectively. So you are correct that there are a number of ignorant racist comments on the board, the numbers are pretty compelling that the culture of respobsibility (or lack thereof in the communities) have significant impacts

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
10:41 am

@ HB…thanks for meeting me half way

Everyone else…who then would agree with my statement :

I do not make any assumptions until I see how the parent reacts, as kids will always be kids. This gives me tremendous insight into who is lacking in the common sense arena.

Based on some of the stories that have been shared…this one in particular :

One of my parents is a waitress at a local restaurant and when I saw her this summer at the restaurant, she informed me that her daughter became a woman this summer “in both ways”. It was like she was actually proud of the fact that her 13 year old daughter had been having sex. This, IMO, is the saddest part.

I would say that the reactions or lack of actions of MANY parents today are not near enough to common sense…do I have an amen?

Yolanda

August 19th, 2009
10:43 am

Come on people. This is just another biased study used to down grade black people. These studies are conducted in in poor neighborhoods. All black people are not poor. All black people do not live below the poverty line. All black people are having children out of wedlock. All black are not on welfare living on section 8. There are educated black people. No one has never contacted me or anyone I know for our input. Black people I live around are not engaging in these activities. Let be honest here, all children are starting to have sex earlier regardless of their life at home. We have seen and hear many stories about wealthy white children having annal and oral sex to maintain their “virginity”. They are doing to be cool in school and get things from the opposite sex. Let keep it real and lay everything on the table. These studies are bogus, they are not worth the paper they are written on. There are good and bad in every race and culture.

not a parent but still concerned

August 19th, 2009
10:44 am

This report should be titled in a more positive note. 3 out of every 4 low income children, wait to have sex! Lets get some more positive news here people. It’s a scare tactic!

Yolanda

August 19th, 2009
10:45 am

THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT HAVING CHILREN OUT OF WEDLOCK!!!!!THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT ON WELFARE AND SECTION 8.

RKS

August 19th, 2009
10:46 am

The more kids they push out, the more welfare they get. Why not start at 12? 4 or 5 kids by the time they’re 20 equates to a good chunck of change. That’s the way liberals set up the system, so why get an education and spend 8 or 10 hours at work when you can get free taxpayer money to stay home?

Denise

August 19th, 2009
10:46 am

I’m getting rather ticked off at the whole Black people = thugs mentality of some of the folks commenting on this blog. Thank you for showing how much progress our people(as in Americans) have made. [/sarcasm/]. It shows ignorance; “stupid people shouldn’t breed”, right?

I went to elementary and middle school in through 1985 at a Catholic school in a very country town in MS. I was the only Black student in my 5th and 6th grade classes (not in the whole grades). In the 5th grade the White kids started having “kissing parties” where you had to have a date to make out with. I will never forget a girl telling me that her boyfriend wanted her to wear a dress with no panties to the party. IN THE 5TH GRADE! I went to a co-ed slumber party in the 7th grade and I could have been scarred for life with the things my sheltered ears heard that weekend. In other words, I heard more about sexual contact, even oral sex, at a young age from my White classmates. Were their parents deadbeats? No. Were they from single-parent homes? No. Were they poor? No. Were they neglected? No. They were curious and adventurous so they found a way to get it in. Just like the kids do today.

Brian

August 19th, 2009
10:46 am

NOTE: THIS IS ABOUT MATH NOT RACE:

This study is scary due to the faulty math.

12 percent more early sexual intercourse than whites (29 to 17 percent respectively)

29 is 70.6% more than 17 (29-17=12then/17=70.6%) 12% more than 17 is approx 19. It is scary that the person doing this study used such faulty conclusions.

Mari-mom

August 19th, 2009
10:47 am

“The researchers are suggesting programs be set up to help mothers prevent early promiscuity.” HMMM I think this statement says alot! Why is this perceived as solely the mother’s responsibility?

Mara

August 19th, 2009
10:48 am

Stell, good point about the headline. But I doubt “75% of Low Income Youths Are Not Having Sex” would sell papers the way under-age sex does.

The researchers believe schools start their abstinence programs too late.

‘abstinence programs’? Maybe that explains it! If the researchers took their pool from ‘abstinance only’ schools, they shouldn’t be surprised. Study after study has shown that ab-only programs do not work. The best programs seem to be fact-based ‘astinence plus’.

As for starting ANY sex ed at a younger age…never happen. We’ve far too many repressed churchies fooling themselves that if their kid doesn’t hear about s-e-x from a knowlegable adult, they won’t hear about it from anybody.

REG artjazz54

August 19th, 2009
10:49 am

As always-racist whites get it wrong and then they excuse themselves from the very same behaviors, or worst. To Photius & Jesse’s Girl, remember, white males raped black women and children as early as 6,7,8, 10, and 12 years through out slavery, and right up to the Jim-Crow era. Also, remember, Thomas Jefferson started raping Sally Hennings at 10 or 12 years olds, and you called it a Love Story; how is it possible for a slave to have an opinion or choice on love, when she had no humanly rights, or human emotions, according to you white folks. And please don’t forget, white males in the slave society, had a right of passage to rape black people at an early age, to assert his, so called, Man Hood. The white men and boys raped their black sister, and brothers, and then in a few years, would turn-around and rape his own daughter, then granddaughter, and then great granddaughter. This was done either as Master – Slave relationship, and/or forced Concubinage, or just by plan terror. Since the sixties, the white man has raped his own women, including serial killings, mass-murders, pedophilia and molestation. Benjamin Franklin (Statesman, Inventor), as well as Thomas Woolman (Abolitionist), on their travels through the South, referred to whites in the South as, White Savages, and you remain the same today. Have any of you white people been watching the local and National News lately, everyday in Georgia and everyday nationally, some white male coach, teacher, or other person in authority, including priest and ministers are charged with sex crimes against children, in many cases, its their own children. How is it possible, that any white person would have the b … to critize black people? Don’t forget about the Herpes epidemic underway in Southern California among young white celebrities, especially young white females. Also, lest not forget about white female teachers and others in authority in our schools and daycare centers, and their sexual attacks on school children at an unprecedented rate. The white mans’ sub human behaviors toward blacks and other humans in the last four or five centuries as been abomination before God, and he needs to keep his Fu…. g, mouth shut before an international tribunal began hearings on the atrocities inflicted upon blacks and Native Americans in the history of this BS Nation.

iancu wagner

August 19th, 2009
10:49 am

what do you expect? all theis generation sees on TV is violence and sex. and all have happy ending, that’s where the problem starts. in real life very few have happy ending so why not portrai that in those shows. it is the holywood who preaches promiscuity and violence, it’s all y can see: teens with problems, teens with atitute bad mputhing parents. It never occured to me until I was 12-13 to say NO to my parents. look the way they are dressed! Get inoforms on them and stop showing show with rebelious teen, they are role models.

love

August 19th, 2009
10:50 am

simple answer…for these kids sex equals love…the lack and or time of it at the home front…and although I believe many are low income, the high “fake joneses” has it just as much..mommy to worried about botox and tennis or the 60 hour workweek and daddy “busy” at the office or other places….leaves very little time for the attention these kids need.

JDG

August 19th, 2009
10:51 am

Ahh, the latest moral panic. Hits all the buttons that are likely to get the peasantry all worked up: sex, teenagers, and poor people.

Also, it’s worth pointing out: humans, in general, like sex. And have for a very, very long time. So the notion that it occurs outside of the times or situations that “other people” (moral scolds, busybodies, the hyper-religious) believe it should be sanctioned is not surprising.

1eyedJack

August 19th, 2009
10:53 am

Race
————–
White 38.8%
Black 37.2
Hispanic 17.8
Asian 2.8
Other 3.4

Ok agreed that whites make up the largest percent of people on welfare, but whites also make up the largest percent of the population. When you compare the numbers of each racial group compared to their overall percent of the population then you can determine that yes indeed a larger percentage of black and hispanic people are on welfare that any other racial group.

When Bill Cosby comes out against this or any other topic critical of the black community he is denigrated as an “Uncle Tom”.

I am a college instructor at a mostly black college and one of my job functions is to find jobs for recent graduates. More times than not black students will turn down an entry-level job offer because they currently receive more money and benefits from welfare and other government subsidies.

The Truth

August 19th, 2009
10:53 am

Good Point White Guy:

The article does say that for one fourth of low income children the average age for sexual activity is 12.77.

Truth

August 19th, 2009
10:55 am

African American communities need to focus on their families. Enough of trying to lead the glamorous life, men need to be part of their children’s lives. Until there is a fundamental change in the way black men see the role they need to play in the lives of children, there will be no change. Crime will continue to grow, prison populations will swell, and poor neighborhoods will stay that way. Bill Cosby gets marginilized because he speaks a truth black people don’t want to hear. Fix your communities. I submit to you the biggest barrier of race in this country is crime. White americas contempt for black crime and the roots for it.

ATL4Real

August 19th, 2009
10:57 am

there is no effective way to stop poor and stupid people from doing stupid things

wae

August 19th, 2009
10:58 am

Why not have a system that educates these kids at an early age, emphasizing family values, less dependency on the government, and then reward the families who have the number of kids that they can afford. Free birthcontrol would also help, and STOP REWARDING FAMILIES WHO CONTINUE TO MULTIPLY, REWARD THE FAMILIES WHO KEEP THEIR FAMILY SIZE AT THE SAME LEVEL WHEN THEY WERE GRANTED ASSISTANCE. The system is broken, why not fix it, no one wants to address the problem. No wonder we are taxed to death.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
11:01 am

For the record…I have friends of all races/ religions and when I agree that ignorant people are breeding like rabbits, I am speaking of ALL races. There are stupid people too in every racial and even religious group.

Angie

August 19th, 2009
11:01 am

I think it all comes down to children needing a mom AND a dad. Even if parents get divorced, both parents should be involved in raising the children. I think men in general need to teach their sons to be men. No matter how good of a mom you are, you cannot teach your son to be a man. It seems that children of single mothers tend become single mothers themselves. If a childhood without a dad is all they know, then how can they learn what it takes to properly raise a child?
Men/Boys need to step up to the plate and take responsibility. A guy can just pick up and leave the girl he got pregnant. It is up to her to raise the child. Girls need to be more responsible as well. They can say no! Being the mother of two girls, I am worried about them and their future.

Black guy

August 19th, 2009
11:05 am

Very good point White Guy. The article could even say “75% of low-income children do not have sex until 16 or later.” But it’s written in such a manner that few would even catch that fact.

AndyW

August 19th, 2009
11:05 am

Obviously disturbing information here, but I can’t help but to think that the results, especially for the boys, are fatally flawed. Boys will never be truthful if you ask them when they first had sex (and how often they have it). I’m sure the researchers attempted to compensate for this, but if you ask teenage boys about their sexual experiences – nearly every one of them will exaggerate or flat out lie (as a way of bragging).

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
11:10 am

Also, I wonder why we cannot have birth control implants ( the kind that can be removed) .
When a mother has 2 children and no means of supporting them either now or in the future, she gets the implant IF she wants to rely on government assistance. If she can get job training ( once they are in pre-school or a free daycare attached to job training centers ) and support her own children, she can get the implant removed.

We all make choices. I have two children I can afford. I pay my bills and live in a neighborhood with association rules. If I do not want to abide by the rules, I move to a different neighborhood. I cannot paint my house any color I want in this neighborhood. I cannot even choose a different mailbox but since I want to live here and have done so for nearly 12 years…I abide by the rules.

If you do not want the birth control implant ( what is it called?) you do not get the government assistance…we respect your choice and will not force you to have it. OH you also will not get to jump on board to accept whatever health insurance they vote in either, unless you have the implant.

BTW this could reduce the number of uninsured children ( not yet born) who will then need the FREE insurance voted in by our dear friends….hahaha!

Alicia

August 19th, 2009
11:11 am

Why does EVERYTHING have to be about RACE!!!!???? This is about CHILDREN!!!!!!!

Blind yourself to the color….our children are loosing their innocence….among all races!!!!!!

Photius

August 19th, 2009
11:12 am

I don’t care for the comments on blacks. Example: South Georgia white people red necks who for generation after generation pop ‘em out young, no motivation, no drive, no education and no opportunity. The all drive around in late model American cars which are dirty, have some body damage to them. These rednecks are not on welfare, they vote Republican if you wave a flag and play Lee Greenwood or mention God…. so lay off the politics – it’s canned.

Solution: Sterilize the morons who are simply not going anywhere.

Greg H.

August 19th, 2009
11:13 am

We should stop being politically correct and just say it – most of these kids being discussed are minorities, and they come from homes where their fathers have run off or are in prison, while mom is never home either through legit work, or drugs, etc. There is non way to fix this. At least none that people will allow.

The only way to fix this would be to require all women who are on public assistance to be on Norplant birth control (implanted under the skin), and to mandate it that they would have to keep the birth control implanted until such time they are in a more financially stable situation and can properly raise/care for their children. The fathers who ware not in prison would be required to financially and physically take part in raising the kids they helped create, or, face lengthy jail time. Again, the tend to be “correct” will cause people to refuse this type of action, but it’s the ONLY way to fix this. Otherwise, get ready, because this current generation of kids are about to have their OWN kids, and it will be worse in the next generation – and worse in the next – and the next….

Indra Moedjio

August 19th, 2009
11:15 am

The process of educating our children about sex is the responsibility of the parents. It all must start at home and parent should be a good role model and set a good example to their children.

sean

August 19th, 2009
11:15 am

GASP! Kids having sex. Parents start talking about sex earlier.

Brett Shepherd

August 19th, 2009
11:17 am

The problem is that society keeps glorifying teen and pre-teen sex.
Not to mention these parents that are trying to be their kids best friends instead of being parents. You can go to any mall on a Saturday afternoon and see lots of pre-teen girls wearing “F ME” shorts and they are with their parents….What kind of sorry azz parent allows their daughter to go around wearing “F ME” shorts?
Sad as this is, I cannot wait to see how america reacts when we have the first ever teenage grandmother…

Brett Shepherd
Peachtree Corners

ray

August 19th, 2009
11:18 am

As long as society keeps looking the other way, as opposed to calling out, when previously immoral deeds are done on TV, on radio, and in public, what would the logical outcome be other than for the moral borderline of society to continue to decline??

Keep on America, the “don’t judge” mantra is revealing its results to us, is it really better?

YUKI

August 19th, 2009
11:19 am

Wow, this is a heated topic to say the least. It really all comes down to the parents, and too many parents are a joke these days. They don’t care, they had kids as teenagers and the trend continues. It blows my mind when I see a story on the news and they are showing the “grandmother” in her 30’s!!! And whoever said the comment about why should they actually work at a job when they can just keep having babies and get paid for that is right on! WITH MY MONEY! It makes me sick to think I go to work to support ignorant, lazy people. It is so frustrating to me. It doesn’t matter what color they are, if they are doing this instead of trying to better themselves they are useless in my book. But let’s face it, a large majority of those committing crime, having out of wedlock children and those in jail are not white.
I understand that sometimes people have bad situations and need help, but when they take advantage of it and want someone else (the government) to take care of them it’s just not acceptable.

White Guy

August 19th, 2009
11:20 am

Motherjanegoose, sarcastic, communist, indirect racist comments is so christian of you. Wow, what a wonderful world!

Blackberry Cobbler

August 19th, 2009
11:21 am

Obama, as the first black President, if he wants to do something to really “Change” this country, he should partner with someone like Bill Cosby and really come down hard on the black community. But he won’t. Jessie Jackson won’t. Al Sharpton won’t. They are all liberal cowards that pander to blacks rather than provide real leadership.

Jodi

August 19th, 2009
11:27 am

This needs to come off the top story with it being sooooo misleading. Try again at a feature.

Denise

August 19th, 2009
11:27 am

@MJG – I hate seeing you have to defend yourself everyday. If you know you are coming from a place of love and a strong desire to share as well as to understand, then that should be enough. Feel good about what you share even if folks don’t agree or want to criticize every 3rd word that comes out of your mouth.

White Guy

August 19th, 2009
11:33 am

Blackberry Cobbler, that will not change anything. This is a capitalist country. If there were no poor people, how could the wealthy prosper? I see some YOU PEOPLE don’t get it. Study socialogy, or government 101 before you make pricelees comments.

RickyDToo

August 19th, 2009
11:34 am

All this talk about education, kids needing an education, or kids needing to be educated. Where is the money going to come from when the first thing right-wingers want to cut in an economic down-turn is what? EDUCATION!!!!! Yes, educated minds are more in tune with society, reality and everything else in this world. But when you cut the financial strings that support it (can you say Reaganomics?), what you get is what you got!!! This is a large part of the answer; not the only part, mind you, but a large part. And when the finacial support is eliminated, then *we* have go into their world as volunteers and help educate them i.e.: reach out and talk to them!

Therefore, shut up, pay your taxes, and help educate these nuckle-heads to begin making this world a better place for everyone. If not, then just shut up and PAY YOUR TAXES!

It’s only when we all realize the fact that these kids are not going away, things can begin to change! You don’t help any one by talking *ABOUT* them; You help by talking *TO* them!!!

And guess what America? Here’s a cold dose of reality for ya: **When Black-America suffers, AMERICA SUFFERS!!!!** *(Whether you are willing to admit it or not!!!!!)*

Black Girl

August 19th, 2009
11:34 am

Blackberry Cobbler Obama is the first “bi-racial” president reared by his “white” family. Get your facts straight. He only calls himself black because of how White America sees him.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
11:35 am

@ white guy…I might be sarcastic but I am neither racist nor communist.

I apologize profusely if I came across as racist and have no idea what you are talking about…someone please tell me.

I DO have friends represented in various race and religious groups. I also know people in 46 states, different slices of America. I enjoy all types of folks who are contributing members of society.

Is it because I do not think anyone should keep producing more children just because they are able to do so, even when they have no means to support them? Well so be it. I am tired of folks claiming their rights when they will not claim their responsibility.

Anyone who is able to pay for their own brood can have as many kids as they want. Anyone who is asking for my tax dollars to to cover their children’s expenses is not welcome IMHO. YES there are exceptions in today’s economy.

I gladly help those who NEED help….not those who are too lazy to do anything or circumvent the system. There are Bible verses about laziness….and not many about the government handing out everything to those who will not work.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
11:39 am

Thank you Denise….I am always baffled when my clients tell me how much they enjoy my presentations but many here try to rip me to shreds…who knows?

Good thing I remember who butters my bread.

Outta here…I have work to do….

White Guy

August 19th, 2009
11:45 am

I like that RickyDToo

false

August 19th, 2009
11:46 am

The headline is completely inconsistent with the content of this article. The results are bad enough without exaggerating.

KDMack

August 19th, 2009
11:49 am

Why are are people who comment on the AJC blogs just outright ignorant. Please realize that you live in the south or relocated to the south; therefore, you keep relating low income to black, hispanics, etc. If you would take time to travel and learn there are lot’s of low income whites who reside in states where minority population is less than 5%.

We need to realize that all kids are having sex doesn’t matter the demographics, so stop pointing fingers at people who might not attend your child’s private school. I have facts and proof that “surburbia” kids are having sex (oral & anal)avoiding pregnancy. We really need to take a look at what’s on television and the lyrics to most top 40 radio play. The problem is larger than anything parent(s) could ever imagine; however, poor people have less resources. We took prayer out of schools not allowed to displine in some cases both parent(s) working kids are just learing about life through You Tube, Twitter, Facebook, Internet, Text Messages, Emails, etc. There is just way too much racial tension on this blog OMG! It doesn’t matter what color you are it’s the content of your character.

The Truth

August 19th, 2009
11:53 am

This is a sensitive subject and I always enjoy reading the responses. At the end of the day, there are still a lot of racist people in Atlanta. And if they are not racist then they are classicist. That is good to know. So that my children will not be mislead into believing that we have moved past that point in American history. We haven’t. And on the flip side, there are still a lot of black people that are angry at the revisionist history that we are feed so that white people can feel good about there atrocities. Yet the expect that we will never bring those same atrocities up in open forum. And when we do they say, ‘why can’t you get over that already?’ I will not got down that road.

But the bottom line is that it will require a movement from within the community to change perceptions regarding sex, love and lust and there needs to be a corporate agenda within the black community to reduce and eliminate this type of behavior at such an early age. Children need to enjoy being children because it is such a short time in there lives. Our goal should be to help them by being honest with them early and by preventing this through constructive activities with organizations and clubs in the low income urban communities, and churches. We owe it to our future to help break these vicious cycles.

White Guy

August 19th, 2009
11:53 am

One question remains, if America solves all the poverty in this country, who will carry the burden for the wealthy?

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White Guy

August 19th, 2009
12:10 pm

The answer is, it can not be done. As far as the children having sex at an early age goes, that percentage has been around forever. I wish there was something that could be done, but somethings don’t change. The best thing everyone can do is try to educate thier own kids and hope they will lose the battle to peer pressure, TV, the internet, and musc videos.

White Guy

August 19th, 2009
12:12 pm

The answer is, it can not be done. As far as the children having sex at an early age goes, that percentage has been around forever. I wish there was something that could be done, but somethings don’t change. The best thing everyone can do is try to educate thier own kids and hope they will “NOT” lose the battle to peer pressure, TV, the internet, and musc videos.

Jesse's Girl

August 19th, 2009
12:51 pm

Hey REG…I didn’t call those events in history anything. As a matter of fact…I didn’t mention anything you touched on. I was relaying an event I witnessed in person. Young KIDS of different races acting inappropriately. So back the frick off….

Mrs. O

August 19th, 2009
12:52 pm

I am not surprised. During the last week of school, a three year-old at a preschool in downtown College Park that I worked at acted out sexually, modeling behavior she got from home. On Monday, she pulled up her shirt and told a boy in aftercare to lick her. The school director waited two days later before delegating the job of telling the girl’s mom to the senior aftercare provider. She says she wanted time to gather the facts (despite having the incident report) and figure out how to address the situation; I suspect the director wanted to avoid a sensitive subject since she felt sorry for the girl who comes from a broken home and she wanted to avoid embarrassing the girl’s grandmother who works at the school.
It turns out the girl’s grandmother told the girl’s mom about the disturbing incident the same day it happened. The senior aftercare provider told the boy’s parents two days later but the school had no working number for the girl’s mom or dad. Incidentally, the teacher in charge of telling the mother about the incident ran into the mother at a Wayfield Grocery store 2 days later and tried to initiate a discussion in the aisle; the mother dismissed the teacher saying her mother told her what happened and offered the classic defense saying she didn’t know where her daughter was getting this from. The boy’s parents were naturally distraught and considered pulling their son out of this school; after all, the school is located at a Methodist church—the last place you’d expect this to go on, assuming parents who bring their kids here are responsible Christians. The boy’s parents asked that their child not be in aftercare with the little girl after finding out what happened. To add insult to injury, the girl’s mother never tried to reach out to apologize to the boy’s parents for what happened.
Two other incidents also occurred; the last Wednesday of school in aftercare as snack was being prepared, the girl pulled her shirt down to her breast and asked about 3 male classmates near her if they were her boyfriend. The senior aftercare provider did not want the task of being the messenger again and told the junior aftercare provider to dismiss what happened instead of writing up an incident report. Then Friday, as the girl waited in the girl’s restroom for her teacher to return with a pair of undies after wetting herself , another teacher in the restroom with her saw her lift her skirt and shake her hips side to side, exposing herself to a male classmate standing outside the girl’s restroom. I asked the girl where she was getting this behavior from and she replied that her mom got on top of her dad and that when she took a bath, her dad would go in her mom’s room (her parents had a troubled marriage and lived together off and on). Not wanting the behavior to continue, influence other kids or run away the full price paying families at the under-resourced and under-funded school (the girl and her brother paid half-price under the grandmother’s employee discount), I emailed the girl’s mom about her child’s behavior over the last week to let her mother know what had happened and what her daughter said about where she learned the behavior from. The girl’s mom was offended, threatening to pull the girl out (which she was likely going to do, and ended up doing, anyway due to financial problems so that the girl could attend a free lottery pre-K program). The girl’s ghetto dad came to the school cursing saying “these mother f—— should punish the boy like they punished his daughter”, threatened there’d be consequences and that the school would do anything to keep his mother-in-law (the girl’s grandmother who works in the school) happy. He was right; I got reprimanded by the director who said I lacked compassion and was a liability to the school. I was terminated.
Undoubtedly, this child has lots of issues at home but she is not the first, nor the last. This is something that no one but her parents can control. (Since I left, the girl went to school telling the kids her dad went to jail; her grandmother told her not to tell her dad’s business.) The good news is that the playing field can be evened for kids “with issues” if schools and families are responsible enough to have the same expectations for behavior that good schools and families should have for all of its students. It is the job of schools and families to empower kids with “issues” to be as good as, if not better than, kids without issues.
In this case, I understand why schools and kids are in the shape they are in with administrators so quick to sweep things under the rug and overanalyze why things happen. Not handling problems head on leads to more problems and enables kids and parents to do be irresponsible. Kids are losing their innocence at such young ages nowadays. It’s poor parenting and some public school system’s culture of feeling sorry for kids from impoverished and broken homes that contributes to their victim’s mentality and sense of entitlement. This is a disservice to the kids and only breeds a society of hypersexual dependents.
Unfortunately, the innocence of several children was compromised and that’s something they can’t get back. It’s all because one child’s parents aren’t raising her responsibly and that has the potential to affect other people’s kids, including mine, if we’re not careful. I just hope this girl does not go on to get a baby out of wedlock at a young age only to end up struggling and living with her grandmother like her dad and mother.

motherjanegoose

August 19th, 2009
1:31 pm

Mrs. O….OH YES and you are brave to share these incidents….thanks! These are the kinds of things I hear about all the time! The actions are sad but the reactions ( or lack of) are just as bad.

JJ

August 19th, 2009
1:45 pm

Damn Theresa, you opened a can of worms today……..

Heather

August 19th, 2009
1:50 pm

Middle class white kids are having sex too, but their parents get abortions for them (or their girlfriends) so no one knows and they go on with their lives. Poor kids have a tendency to be forced to live with their mistakes, either through economics or other ways.

Mrs. O

August 19th, 2009
2:05 pm

Poor, middle-class or rich— kids are probably having sex in greater numbers at earlier ages than this “study” of 1,000 kids lets on. I’m always skeptical of so-called representative samples…The bottom line is there are too many welfare families that make babies out of wedlock that they can’t afford to take care of on their own. I was behind a tattooed baby mama with no wedding ring in line at Publix. She held up the line redeeming all of those welfare milk formula vouchers. It’s so frustrating to see people making irresponsible decisions to make babies that they can’t care for on their own who go on to share their “genetic code”…

YUKI

August 19th, 2009
2:06 pm

Oh yes, that’s it, middle class white kids all have abortions. Give me a break. I was a middle class white kid years ago, and I didn’t HAVE to have an abortion because my parents taught me how to be responsible and my religion taught me morals. That comment is one of the most ridiculous things I have read in a while.

mf

August 19th, 2009
2:07 pm

The problem with this is not video games,television,computer,parents etc. The reason these kids are having sex so early is because the schools start teaching them sex education in grade 3.Unbelievable. They started this about 15 years ago and kids that are now in their 20’s said they didnt know what sex was until they were taught in school. Once they were taught then they were curious.By grade 5 the school has taught them everything about sex and explained that if you wear a condom your 99% safe from deseases.
Why have the teachers become parents ,it should be up to the parents to teach their kids and not the schools. How dare they take away the innocence of our children at such a young age and then blame the parents when the kids start having sex early.If you do not know about sex you won’t do it. Just because a child can say the word sex does not mean they know what it means,they are just repeating a word they’ve heard many times.

Mrs. O

August 19th, 2009
2:17 pm

Heather, abortions aren’t the issue. At least the middle class and rich don’t bring kids into the world that they can’t feed, educate, clothe, house and pay health care for on their own. Poor kids do tend to have babies they can’t afford. In fact, if fewer poor people would have kids we probably wouldn’t be having a national debate about free, universal health care now.

Also, nobody forces poor kids to do anything. They force themselves to live with their mistakes when they force themselves to lay down and have unprotected sex and make a baby. Conception is a choice, an avoidable choice and I don’t feel sorry for kids or adults who screw up. Life is about accepting sole responsibility for one’s actions. Kids having sex is old news, it’s the consequences that matter most.

Jesse's Girl

August 19th, 2009
2:26 pm

The point is this….condoms are free at any clinic you go to. Its a matter of pride for most of these kids. They simply don’t think they should have to use a condom. No..we cannot stop kids of any race or socio-economic background from having sex. But we should be able to educate the crap out of all of them. Pass out the locations of health clinics….have local stores give out condoms. Whatever…just cover your junk so my money doesn’t have to go to another out of wedlock child. Unless I so choose.

jct

August 19th, 2009
2:30 pm

@MRS O…the little girl you are describing is showing classic signs of sexual abuse. I know you have been terminated but did your facility have any way of getting DFACS involved. This is not normal behavior for a child this age.

There have been many extreme examples given on this blog today.

The bottom line is we live in a society where sex sells. It is truly unfortunate that these studies don’t speak to the positive first- 75% not having sex before 16, now what are we going to do for the rest?

If you are not valued you will have sex younger. Period.

I find it quite funny that in the economy that folks want to denegrate poor folks. I have friends who when their child was born could afford all the luxuries but 1 year later they both got laid off. Without WIC it would have been hard to feed their growing child. The husband is now employed but the wife is still searching (again 1 year later). They used the system as the stop gap.

Now, I KNOW that there is a system of poverty but many seem to forgot there is a time limit on benefits if you are not working or in school. This has been the case for almost 10 years in Georgia.

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

August 19th, 2009
2:34 pm

Hey Guys — I have been out all morning with a dead battery in my mini-van (covered by warranty — awesome!) There have been some complaints about my headline and I wanted to tell you guys the process I went though on the headline. (It’s harder than it looks.)

Originally, I pulled from the Iowa State headline and tried to shorten to fit one line of space.
First thing this morning I had “Study: Low income kids started sex at 12 on overage”

One of regulars questioned the head. I am terrible with stats and was literally running about the door to get my car fixed so I took off the on average. I knew it was technically true to say that the study showed low income kids were starting sex by 12 — so that was the second head and the one that has stood for most of the day. (Looking back I actually think my first head was more accurate than the second — although neither was untrue.)

When I got home and read through all the comments I saw multiple complaints — While I do not think my headline was inaccurate, I also didn’t want people to think I was trying to sensationalize the news so after several rewrites I have a new headline:

Study:25 percent low-income kids having sex; average age 12

This is a very specific headline that is very ugly to an editor’s eye. But I don’t want people to think I am trying to sensationalize the news.

Hopefully that gives some insight into what editors consider as they are writing headlines for stories. We are always trying to be accurate with the information and represent the story truthfully. We are also working with space constraints and hopefully can make it interesting enough to draw the reader in without misleading him/her.

JJ

August 19th, 2009
2:39 pm

Just look at they way these kids are dressing……short shorts, mini skirts, push up bras, etc. And that’s in Elementary school……

It is up to US as parents, to educate our children about sex, not the schools, not the grandparents, not the siblings, but the PARENTS. It is our job to educate our kids and guide them through life. I don’t know why parents are so afraid to talk to their kids about sex. I have had open dialogue with my kid about sex since she was 10 years old…….

It shouldn’t be scary, and you shouldn’t think they are too young. Give them age appropriate information that they can process at any age. Open the talking early, dont’ wait till they are in high school……..

And sex sells. Just watch the shows these kids are watching. There is sex in cartoons, Hanna Montanna, etc. Just about every show on tv has sexual references in them. It goes over the kids’ heads, but not the parents.

TALK TO YOUR KIDS!!!!!! IF you don’t, the little boy down the street will, or the kids on the bus will. Some will even show you what sex is………

Do you want other kids telling your kids about sex, or do you want to be the one to tell them?

Mrs. O

August 19th, 2009
2:54 pm

I don’t doubt that the girl was abused, or neglected (her lunches were often pitiful and her clothes dirty). The director claimed it was normal behavior but agreed it was not acceptable. I was the most convenient scapegoat and I can live with that. Of course, the school would have to handle that suspicions about abuse but would likely not call DFACS since the girl’s grandmother works in the baby room; the church board just wants to stay out of the news and keep the doors open with whomever will come.

I am misunderstand if I come across as someone putting down poor people. My point is too many cash strapped folk decide to have babies, knowing they are cash-strapped. And they decide to keep having more babies, knowing it will take tax payers’ dollars to help them keep their heads above water. Mamas and daddies should be able to pay all of the expenses, or not make babies. It’s not fair to see irresponsible people taking advantage of tax dollars, no matter how long or short the welfare time limit is.

HB

August 19th, 2009
3:14 pm

Thanks for the new headline, Theresa! The title bar still has the original inaccurate title (sorry, but as a stats person, I have to disagree with you on its accuracy), so that may need to be fixed in the code. As part of my job, I also write for journals and blogs and often find coming up with title/headlines to be the toughest part of an article, so I feel your pain on having to settle on a clunky, yet accurate headline, but sometimes it’s the best a writer can do. :)

Mrs. O

August 19th, 2009
3:14 pm

I don’t doubt the little girl was abused by a cousin or friend, maybe her own age. It could have happened while playing “house” or “mommy and daddy” for all I know. I know her lunches were also pitiful and the director wanted to give her free food from the church pantry which would have been fair if she offered free lunch to the full paying kids, too. (What she should have done was send a list of Bright from the Start nutritional guidelines home to empower the mom (who should have known better since she is supposedly a preschool teacher in Buckhead.) It’s unlikely the church board that runs the school would have a DFACS discussion; they just want to keep the doors open with whoever will come and stay out of the news.

JJ

August 19th, 2009
3:37 pm

Um Theresa, a car battery is probably the EASIEST Thing to replace. Unhook the two cables, lift the battery out, put the new one it, attach cables – 10 minutes maybe…….total cost $50.00. AND your husband should have told you that. No need to run to the dealer…..they only rip you off.

There you go, Powder Puff Mechanics 101…..

first time poster

August 19th, 2009
3:43 pm

Mrs. O – that is pathetic…you should have called even if the “school” didn’t want to. You have a legal responsibility let alone a moral one to do so. You let that little girl down, just like everyone else.

Heather

August 19th, 2009
3:47 pm

Upper class and middle class kids are also having sex and get pregnant. The difference is their parents cough up for an abortion so that no one has to know. Poor kids usually end up keeping the baby due to financial reasons (can’t afford the abortion) or moral (the fact that they feel they need to live up their mistake).

Theresa Walsh Giarrusso

August 19th, 2009
3:48 pm

Hey JJ — First off we are not handy — but I really felt like there were some other electrical problems at play — My car wouldn’t crank after you had doors opened — and it happened intermittently over a year so very odd —- I’m still not completely convinced there aren’t other problems but with a new battery will know if it happens again — I do have a good factory warranty on the car and replaced for free. Also noticed some of trim coming off that I have to go back forth but is also covered by warranty– so mostly just my time.

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