Kids are getting hurt more in P.E., but WHY?
Kids are showing up in the emergency rooms with injuries from their P.E. classes at more than DOUBLE the rate of 10 years ago, according to a new study in “Pediatrics.”
From the abstract of the study in “Pediatrics”:
“An estimated 405,305 children and adolescents were treated in emergency departments for PE-related injuries. The annual number of cases increased 150% during the study period (P = .001). Nearly 70% of PE-related injuries occurred during 6 activities, that is, running, basketball, football, volleyball, soccer, and gymnastics. Boys’ injuries were more likely to involve the head, to be diagnosed as a laceration or fracture, to be attributable to contact with a person or structure, and to occur during group activities. Girls’ injuries were more likely to involve the lower extremities, to be strains and sprains, to be acute noncontact injuries, and to occur during individual activities.”
ABC News reports:
While injuries have increased, the number of students attending daily PE classes has greatly decreased.
“In 1991, 42 percent of U.S. students attended a daily P.E. class, according to the 2006 Shape of the Nation Report by the National Association for Sport and Physical Education. By 2003, only 28 percent of students went to P.E. daily.”
So why are they seeing an increase? Doctors don’t know for certain, but in the ABC story they were willing to make some educated guesses:
Obesity and being out of shape are leading to more injuries.
Kids specializing in one sport which creates a strain on their young musculoskeletal system.
Less school nurses mean the kids are having to go to the emergency room to diagnose an injury.
Larger classes mean less supervision and more chance for injury.
“New P.E.” where adult exercise is mixed in – such as jogging and weights instead of learning sports and skills.
Hospitals just doing a better job keeping records.
What do you think: Why are kids injuries in P.E. classes increasing across the board? Has your child ever been injured in a P.E. class? Did you go to the emergency room? How was it dealt with? Do you worry about your kids being injured in P.E.? (This had never even occurred to me!)
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JATL
August 4th, 2009
7:59 am
I agree with the educated guesses. I’m amazed at how wimpy kids are today! I watch older kids on the playground and near it (there are ball fields and the kids like to ride bikes and scooters around the playground), and the tiniest of falls, bumps or scrapes elicits crying and howls from 7 and 8 year olds -including boys! I’m sure some will take offense at that line, but when I was a kid playing outside (and I was a tomboy), it took quite a bit to bring one of us down or to the point of wailing and needing Mommy. We didn’t want to stop playing or have Bactene sprayed all over us!
I also think a lot of kids are horribly out of shape. I’m sure many of them have seen little to no exercise or heavy activity before getting into PE. Television and computers are such easy babysitters that far too many parents use them all the time. Parents have also gotten horribly lazy and don’t make their kids go out to play or take the time to play with them outside. There are public parks all over this city and most others, so I rarely buy the excuse that there is nowhere to play.
Finally -we live in such a litigious society that I’m sure school officials are wont to rush kids to the ER due to few school nurses so they don’t get sued. God forbid little Johnny get some Neosporin and a bandaid and be told to suck it up! I think this whole nation -and especially a bunch of our kids need a lesson in sucking it up!
mom2Max&Alex
August 4th, 2009
8:01 am
I really hope this won’t mean that because of this beyond ridiculous study schools start avoiding PE even more. I can just see it, in order to avoid moronic lawsuits schools will start playing hot potatoe and board games during PE.
How idiotic.
JJ
August 4th, 2009
8:14 am
Could it be because they are all a bunch of couch potatos and don’t KNOW how to play outside and use their imagination…..their bodies aren’t used to any physical movement…..
Photius
August 4th, 2009
8:14 am
Why is this happening?
Today’s parents are terrible and allow Little Johnny too much time in front of the computer or TV getting FAT…. Today’s parents are raising the FATTEST generation of Americans ever…
Today’s parents are so insecure about someone stealing Little Johnny they won’t let them play outside unless a parent is hovering over them at all times…. The kids get no exercise….
Today’s parent takes Little Johnny into the ER at the slightest thing because they are over protective.
Patrick
August 4th, 2009
8:21 am
I have to agree with the hypothesis and the comment before me. Kids today are out of shape. For most of them, the only exercise they get is when they’re in P.E.
And perhaps it’s because of the reasons also listed in the blog. The P.E. program today sounds more strenuous than it was 10 or even 20 years ago, when I took P.E. I remember primarily doing aerobic-like exercises, like jumping jacks, push-ups, sit-ups, jogging, jump rope, etc. I remember in middle school the boys played flag football or two-hand-touch football, while the girls played softball. I opted for softball, since I never cared for football.
And there’s less staff to supervise what the students are doing during P.E. There might be one teacher supervising a class of 120 students. In elementary school each individual homeroom class had P.E. at a different time of the week. In middle school we had it every day, but it was the entire grade level that had it at the same time (split into two or three separate classes, all within the same two-hour timeframe).
If parents would get more involved with their children’s schools, and with their children’s lives, perhaps there would be less injuries. Perhaps promoting healthy habits, like exercising every day, would help reduce injuries. A lot of these injuries are caused by forcing the body to use muscles it has never used before. Of course, it’s also kids just being kids and parents need to get a grip. Don’t rush your child to the emergency room over every single boo-boo they get. Part of the reason why kids are rushed to the E.R. is parents overreacting, and the other part is untrained P.E. teachers, who should know some basic first aid before taking the job. You’d think that would be a requirement, but apparently it’s not.
By the way, playing with the Nintendo Wii or on the Dance Dance Revolution (or any clones thereof) at the arcade does not count as exercise.
Dave
August 4th, 2009
8:28 am
For the luvagawd, fat Eddie and obese Mary are actually called upon to do something besides eat chips and drink soft drinks or work a keyboard and joy stick and they injure themselves? HORRORS!!! Parents have made their bed and now they try to blame someone else for the incidents. My ex wife suggested that they take my youngest daughter to the ER over a bee sting. A BEE STING!!!! I am going above and beyond telling my kids NO when they want to turn on the TV or computer and to get outside and play, run, play with the dogs or we can go to the park and run around. But as soon as they get back wit her, she thinks the safest place is on the couch in front of the TV. She won’t even let them go outside unless she is home with them…not even in the back yard. Kids are running around outside and all they can do is watch from the windows. My daughters are 13 and 10. Can you say “Embarrassing Parenting”? No wonder kids are injuring themselves. Their pathetic bodies aren’t used to doing anything but sitting there and are wasting away.
Patrick
August 4th, 2009
8:44 am
Dave, I commend you for making the kids go out and play when they come to visit you. I wish more parents were like you, and less like your ex-wife, who are afraid that the second a child sets foot outside the house, they’ll get killed.
I remember when I was a kid we did things that would make any parent today faint. Some of you parents reading this who are overprotective of your children should probably stop reading beyond this point, and maybe navigate away from this page. Or scroll down to any comments below mine. Perhaps go do the crossword or read the comics. I can wait.
Are they gone? Are the parents that let their kids play outside still here? Good.
One thing I remember doing as a kid was when my friends and I would play on the swingsets in our apartment complex, we would try to defy death by jumping out of the swing when it got high. It was one version of the long jump that we created. We would jump out of the swing and land on the hill in front of us, behind one of the apartment buildings. I remember one time landing in such a way I sprained my ankle. Luckily I didn’t twist it or break it, but it did hurt. Yes, I cried. Yes, I winced in pain, and laid there. Once it quit hurting, did I go in the house and cry to my parents? No. I got back on the swing and kept jumping off.
Also, if you send your kids outside to play, take away their cell phones, or else at least program them so they can’t text their friends, or call (or receive calls) from anyone but you. Going outside on the back porch, sitting in the patio chair, texting a friend is not exercise.
FCM
August 4th, 2009
8:44 am
You will hate this….But
Kids today are too sheltered from doing stuff for fear they will get hurt. The Helicopter parents hover, or are right there at the Monkey Bars incase Susie or Billy falls.
BACK OFF.
Part of being a kid is to get hurt in normal ways….falling off a bike, out of a tree, or going face down in mud in tackle football in the yard.
Yes, you should watch the child. Yes, be teach them not do some of the obvious stuff (playing with sticks or running with scissors). Don’t hover, don’t manipulate situation.
At the park give them some space to go be. If they get hurt you will know and give band-aids and the all important hugs and kisses!
These kids today sit infront of TV or Computers and don’t work their muscles. Climbing, swimming, hiking, all have their purposes in building those bodies. Compound this with the 15 min of recess a day in school and well…..
You get kids with no ability to do PE. Just be ready with 911.
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Stan
August 4th, 2009
9:01 am
Yup…in less than 2 hours all the answers have been given. Good job!
I agree with all the above.
Preschool teacher
August 4th, 2009
9:07 am
I am a preschool teacher and it totally amazes me how 4 years olds get out of breath running half way across the gym. I can’t believe how lazy these kids are – I ask them what they do at home and they say they watch TV. They don’t play outside. It makes me crazy. My kids love to play outside, they love to ride their bikes. If you are afraid something is going to happen to your kid, then go outside and play with them or take a family bike ride or take the dogs for a walk. Quit raising lazy kids.
Denise
August 4th, 2009
9:31 am
It is so embarrassing to know what you guys are saying is true. I mean, these kids are going to be the ones working in our nursing homes! LOL! If they are out of shape now, how fit do you think they’ll be after even MORE years of eating too much and exercising too little? Not at all. I do blame it on the parents for the most part but I do think that the kids prefer to be inside “in the cool” (as my granny used to say) rather than in the hell-like heat so they’re not asking to go outside. Parents are raising wimps that will be too out of shape to push our wheelchairs and walkers when we’re 95.
JJ
August 4th, 2009
9:36 am
Patrick I’m with you. As kids, we did the death defying swing and jump. We hiked barefoot, we played kickball, football, we went caving, we rode our bikes all over town. On Sunday’s we would ride down to the college campus and play a pick up game of football with other kids on the football field. We played hide & seek until 1:00 in the morning. We climbed trees, we sledded, we made obstical courses for our sleds, we built snow forts and igloos, we fell on pavement, out of trees, we skinned out knees and our chins, we were in ER’s numerous times…….I cannot count the number of times I had to be taken to the ER for stitches, broken bones, etc……
We hated coming home for lunch and dinner. It really intereferred with our playing. And once we were all in for the night, we were planning the next day…….we were out of the house by 10 in the morning, and didn’t come home till it was time to eat. Then we would wolf our food down, and get back outside…….
Dave
August 4th, 2009
9:41 am
All of the above is sad…but true. The REALLY bad part is there are actually parents that will inevitably come up with excuses or reasons that make the logical group in us roll our eyes. Then they have the patented “DON’T TELL ME HOW TO RAISE MY KIDS!” while the physicality of their kids just keeps getting worse and worse.
On a side note, my ex’s whole family is that inactive as well…not just the kids. When my family had them over to the lake and they tried to ski and tube, the men weren’t even strong enough to hang on to the rope! My Dad smailed and said quietly “I know they are your inlaws and all…but they are the sorriest excuse for a man that I’ve even encountered.” I’m able to laugh out loud about that one now….LOL
Rick
August 4th, 2009
9:44 am
I remember stay outside all day exploring, swimming and playing in the woods. When I came in at nightfall, my Dad would ask “Are y’all through for the day?” I would say “Nope…just looking for a flashlight…” We did the swingset jump, too but we had a fence that was right next to the swingset and the object was to be able to come out of the swing and make it over the fence. We had a few incidences with that, but we all lived to have kids of our own….
Jessica
August 4th, 2009
9:47 am
I will agree that kids need to get out and play more, and that parents are more protective. At the same time, I don’t think parents today feel that they have any choice but to hover over their kids. If a kid is out of his mother’s sight for three seconds and gets abducted, hurt, in trouble or sick, someone will be demanding to know why that child wasn’t supervised. I am sure some of the first ones to blame that mother for neglecting the kid will be the same people who criticize “helicopter” parenting.
As for kids playing sports: why is it so hard for kids to play casual games of ANYTHING anymore? All the little sports and activities I’ve looked into for my kids demand an insane amount of time and money! Do kids ever play sports just for fun anymore, or do they only play for trophies these days?
JJ
August 4th, 2009
9:53 am
Jessica, start your own play for fun league, with neighborhood kids……we used to get the kids in my neighborhood and play kickball out in the street…..we had to stop occassionally to let cars go by.
HB
August 4th, 2009
10:24 am
I think a lot of this is more about procedure than an actual increase in kids getting hurt, but it’s probably a combination. I think the theory that fewer school nurses is leading to more ER trips is a good one. And schools’ CYA policies are sure to send a lot of kids off campus immediately to be assessed. And then there’s the health insurance issue. If the school doesn’t send the child directly to the ER, and the parents decide he needs a doctor, but do not have health insurance, they’re more likely to head straight to the ER rather than check in with a GP/pedatrician office first. In the case of something like a possible ankle sprain that doesn’t look horrible but needs checking out, I think a lot of insured parents would go to their pediatrician first, who may then order an x-ray at a diagnostic center within their insurance network to rule out a break. I also think there are injuries that people take more seriously now, head injuries in particular. Greater awareness of injuries like Natasha Richardson’s where someone is more seriously injured than they first appeared, I think, have likely led to more children getting checked out immediately than 10 years ago — and that’s a good thing.
DB
August 4th, 2009
10:25 am
One of the aspects that need to be looked at in this statistic is, honestly, the number of people who do not have health insurance or a regular doctor and use an emergency room as a doctor’s office. I’m sure the factors other posters have mentioned are in play, here — but also, I suspect the “great increase in emergency room visits” is also a function of parents who are using government-funded health insurance such as Medicaid, etc., and the parents lack of knowledge in how to deal with simpler problems such as sprains, etc. Parents who are working often don’t see their kids and their injuries until after school and work is over — and after the doctor’s office is closed. So, off to the emergency room — “just in case”.
So, while there may be an “increase”, I think it would be an interesting subset of the statistics to see WHEN the emergency rooms are seeing these patients. During the day? During the evening? How many of the patients are using the emergency room as their “primary physician”? How many of the parents are taking their children to hospitals who take all patients, regardless of ability to pay? I remember one time in the emergency room, my son did something wicked to his knee playing a pick-up game of basketball after school. It was swollen up like a cantelope! So, since he was planning a ski trip in three days, and we wanted to make sure he was clear to ski, we called his pediatrician and they said, “just go on over to Children’s”. When we got there, it was about 4 pm — and the waiting room was not at all crowded. When we eventually came out from the examination at 6:00 pm, the waiting room was almost overflowing. I was surprised at the volume and asked the nurse, “Is this typical?” She commented that the emergency room was the only doctor a lot of the kids ever saw.
So, while I am sure that some injuries are exacerbated by lack of physical conditioning, I have to wonder if the “huge increase” is also explained by increasing costs of health care and the number of uninsured families.
FCM
August 4th, 2009
1:06 pm
Are teachers still allowed to judge that their class (in general) is antsy today and should go outside for 10-15 min? I know when I was in school (along with riding dinos to class and Betty Rubble being my teacher) we had recess in the AM and PM daily….But on those days when weere extra fidgety, the teacher would decide we should go walk or play on the cement court or whatever for 10 min then go back to our school work.
Making children sit all dang day in class without moving (thinking elementary here) is not helping…in fact I believe it is contributing the increase in ADHD diagnosis (no I do not have imperical data).
Michelle
August 4th, 2009
1:26 pm
I think most of you are right on! There are SO many kids today who are content to just sit in front of the TV, and guess what, many of the parents are to blame! I am guilty of this a lot (no, my kid is very active outside). After working all day and commuting, then supper and all the other “stuff” it’s hard to muster up the energy to go outside with your kids and play. My little guy is actually old enough now that I allow him to go play in the backyard without supervision. He runs with the dogs, swings, slings, crosses the monkey bars, etc.
My first reaction when he gets hurt is NOT to instantly make a big deal of the injury. I take a look, bandage it up, and send him on his way. If he feels like he didn’t get enough attention for the injury, I’ll usually expalin the “reason” why it hurts or looks bruised, etc. and that’s good enough for him. Basically, he’s just looking for some acknowledgement. Every injury is NOT life threatening, nor does it need to be seen by an MD/ER!
I think in our society where everyone is looking for a quick buck, (i.e. suing the school for an injury)the best way to do that is to see a physician for “documentation.” It is just crazy!
Joyce
August 4th, 2009
1:44 pm
FCM: LOL!!! Maybe we were in the same class? I always thought Mrs. Rubble was the nicest teacher I ever had. :)
As to the question of the day, no, we’ve never had this situation. The worst has been a note from the school nurse (we still have one!) stating what happened and what she did to treat him. That wasn’t PE-related, just playground bumps and scrapes. I wouldn’t worry about it too much, though. The schools have to be soooo careful because of legal exposure that unless the teacher is a total bonehead, he/she is going to make sure the bases are all covered.
Patrick
August 4th, 2009
1:55 pm
Another thing I remember when I was a kid: If you got injured while playing, you didn’t sue the other kid’s parents, if you were injured at their house, nor did you sue the company that made the swingset, or the apartment management company that owned the complex I lived in if you got injured. You realized that you did something stupid that caused the injury. You get bandaged up. You get over it. You move on. You go back out and play some more. You wore those bandages like medals of honor or valor. They symbolized that you’ve seen things, man, and you’ve been there.
If your parents weren’t available to “doctor” you up, you could go to your friend’s house, and their parents would doctor you up as if you were one of their own. If you came home with a band-aid that was completely different from the ones you had at home, your parents would know someone else looked after you, and they’d call your friend’s parents to thank them, not to threaten lawsuit.
Your parents might invite your friend’s parents over to dinner as a way of saying thanks for fixing up their kid. That would be bonus for you, because your friend would probably come over as well, and you could play some more, either indoors or out, and there was the possibility of your friend spending the night.
Boy, how times have changed.
MomsRule
August 4th, 2009
2:13 pm
FCM, from what I’ve seen, the teachers in my area do have some discretion on taking the kids outside. Unfortunately, most often they chose not to take them out. “Its to hot.” Or some other lame excuse. (The teachers excuse not students) In my sons fourth grade class last year, they went for at least 4 months that I know of without going outside to play. And they had a designated block for a small recess built in to the schedule.
This is just the most recent example, I could give more that go all the way back to Kindergarten so it is not just one teacher or even one school.
And I agree with your comments re ADD/ADHD.
JJ
August 4th, 2009
2:29 pm
Patrick, did you and I grow up together? LOL….I fell off a trampoline and had to have surgery to pin my elbow back together, but my parents didn’t sue. However, the owner’s of the trampoline ended up getting rid of it after my fall…….they didn’t want to risk someone else getting hurt……
Yea, and all my scars are from battlewounds, and I wore them with pride. I had stitches from falling off my bike, the monkey bars at school, etc.
Also, I remember riding the city bus (at age 10) down to the community pool. I got hurt there, once again requiring stitches, but all we did was walk across the street to my Dad’s office, and he ran me to the doctor…
We had the ER on retainer when I was young…..one summer my Mom tried to keep me indoors, but I ended up tripping on a floor pillow, and hit my head on the tv and needed 4 stitches……..I’ve had more stitches than anyone I know……..but I grew up in a neighborhood with a ton of boys and I wanted to be out there doing what they were doing, not playing dolls inside with the girls……
FCM
August 4th, 2009
5:25 pm
JJ I used to climb a tree in a horse pasture full of horses so I could read a book! My Mom used to get mad about it, because she sent me outside to play not read….then she realized I had climbed the tree and when I got tired of a sitting position I would flip upside down on the branch, then when my head was full of blood I would go do something else, inevitably I would drop something, climb down etc….she figured I was doing something.
I can also read on a swing, a spin top, while walking, while see sawing…basically the only time I put the book down is when I go underwater!
My passion has always been reading, swimming, and hiking in that order. I do less of the latter 2 as I get older.
jack5656
August 4th, 2009
6:58 pm
HB and DB…go to the head of the class…you are the smart ones today. I think it shows a lot about some of the re-bloggers in this group who go straight to personal judgements about why kids are being treated in ER’s with more frequency (kids are “wimpy” “couch potatoes” with “horribly lazy” “insecure” “overprotective” parents) instead of the most obvious answer to why kids are being seeing in ER’s with more frequency. You didn’t even have to do any research to figure this one out. In the body of this blog Theresa noted that “Girls’ injuries were more likely to involve the lower extremities, to be strains and sprains”….Uhhhh…strains and sprains really aren’t EMERGENCIES now, are they? They need care and attention..but come on…EMERGENCIES? How quickly would you be fined by law enforcement for calling 911 for a strain or sprain? So let’s think, why else would someone go to the ER if the injury didn’t REALLY warrant it? hmmmmmmm
this article might begin to explain some of it…
http://www.caller.com/news/2009/apr/05/poor-access-to-primary-care-increases-illness/
I have to tell you…there are some VICIOUSLY judgmental re-bloggers here.
JATL
August 5th, 2009
10:11 am
I’m sooooo happy to see so many people who think kids need to be outside playing with skinned knees! I do check on him all the time, but my 3 year old is spending lots of time outside in our backyard this summer chasing our youngest dog -they’ve developed quite a game – and playing on his playset. I’ve noticed, due to his age, a great tendency to whine constantly about the least little scrape or bump, BUT after constant playing outside (and being told by mommy that he needn’t whine and cry every time he bumped something or fell), he has really toughened up! YES, I would be saying the same things to and about a girl. He slid and actually scraped his knee at the playground the other day while chasing a ball, and he didn’t even flinch!
I also think I grew up playing with about half of you! Actually no, most kids did grow up playing outside until the 90s I guess -or maybe the mid-80s? That seems to be when this “uber parenting” overprotective craziness came about.
MyOpinion
August 5th, 2009
12:04 pm
I grew up in the 90’s and we played outside. As my sister and I grew older, we walked home from elementary (2-3 blocks) and middle school (down the street). Once home we would watch television and/or do homework until our mother came home about an hour later at 4:30. Once homework was done and checked; we were told to go outside to play for a few hours. My sister and I would meet up with our friends and we would ride our bikes or go skating around the neighborhood together. If we wanted candy, we would have to walk 2-blocks minimum to the closest store or to the neighborhood candy lady (best junk food ever), exercising off the calories from the junk food. The children in my area received a lot of exercise during the 90’s and at the time we all lived in downtown Atlanta (access to I-75, I-85, & I-20 in less than a 3 minute drive). Later in high school, my sister and I was in the Marching Band so we spent four to five hours outside almost daily practicing marching routines, or actually performing at various events.
P.E. is not what it use to be. Like many of you, in elementary P.E. was about jumping jacks and learning basic skills of different sports. It was about healthy competition during Olympic week where for one entire week you spent half the day outdoors training and on that Friday you spent the entire day outdoors participating in Olympic type games. P.E. in middle school was about learning the basics to many different sports. P.E. in high school was almost non-existent; I received my exercise through marching band.
In elementary there was only one occasion where a student had to be taken to the ER and that was because she slid and fell and when she landed, her leg was at an odd angle and she could not move it. However, within a week, we were all outdoors again at PE and she was just hopping along with and sometimes without her crutches.
I think it is a combination of : 1) children hurting muscles that are not used often or never; 2) ER visit as a prevention of being sued; 3) ER visit as a precaution for serious injuries (blow to the head, neck, and/or chest/heart); and 4) ER visits for the uninsured.
Erin
August 5th, 2009
12:18 pm
Patrick, did you by any chance grow up in DeKalb County in the early 1980s? Because what you describe is exactly the way I grew up, too! I was outside much of the day (except maybe during the hottest parts of the afternoon during the summers), and I would cry when I skinned my knee and we’d joke I was a total little hypochondriac, but I’d still play outdoors all the time. I couldn’t have imagined staying inside and watching TV all day.
I think all the reasons already mentioned pretty well cover the bases (so to speak) on why kids are getting injured more. They’re just not used to being asked to do ANYTHING physical at all. And I do think the marvels of A/C have made wimps of ALL of us, adults included. But that’s no excuse.
Turn off the TV, get outside and DO something! It’s that simple. No excuses. No “yeah, but … ” Just get out there or at the VERY least turn off the TV and video games and find an indoor activity that really DOES get the heart rate going.
JJ
August 5th, 2009
12:47 pm
We have two dogs who require constant attention. My daughter and I both LOVE to walk them…….and it’s something that we can do together and talk……
Becky
August 5th, 2009
4:12 pm
My 7 year old grandson rode on 20 miles on the Silver Comet trail with his Poppy last week..We are alwyas outdoors doing something with them..I’m with Patrick, my Mother never thought about suing anyone if we got hurt..She got a Coke once with goodness only knows what in it, all she did was called the Coke Co., told them what happened..They invited her down, she toured the plant and walked out with a case of cokes..People are to PC now…