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Signs the relationship is over

Sometimes a relationship starts to come apart slowly, unraveling like cheap clothing. You see and feel the difference but you don’t want to be the one that brings it up. You hope things will get better but they only get worse.

A lot of times, breakups are inevitable but how do you know when it is really over? Every couple go through tough periods, but how can you tell it’s a rough patch or the end of the road?

What are signs that a relationship is over? Would you try to stay and find a way to make it work if you have signs that the other person has given up?

By Wise Diva, Misadventures in Atlanta Dating

192 comments Add your comment

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
8:38 am

Good morning…

When calls aren’t returned, the demise should be evident.

When they start treating you mean, the demise should be evident.

When they turn things around to make it appear you’re losing your mind, the demise should be evident.

When dates are broken with lame excuses, the demise should be evident.

When they’re ghost w/o any care for your feelings, the demise should be evident.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
8:41 am

If I notice signs are pointing to the relationship ending and it “appears” he is no longer interested, I wouldn’t necessarily turn in the white flag. I would see if we can talk things through to see where the bone of contentioin rests. If he’s not interested in salvaging the relationship, I have no choice but to seek my own salvation, quietly lick my wounds, regroup and strenghten my mind and soul for the next relationship. One fish sink no ship….

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
8:53 am

Playing by myself sho ain’t much fun…

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
8:58 am

♪♫•*¨*•.¸¸♥¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪Neither one of us wants to be the first to say goodbye….♪♫•*¨*•.¸¸♥¸¸.•*¨*•♫♪

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
9:02 am

Hey, am I on Candid Camera?

Kym

January 12th, 2012
9:04 am

Good Morning All.,,

Reba has a song that I love called “Consider Me Gone”. One of the lines is “If I’m not that one thang you can’t stand to lose..” If you can walk away from me without any thought and be okay with that decision then as the song says Consider Me Gone..no need to keep beat around the bush or trying to stay to straighten it out.

uhh since it is just you Leggs I guess I should have said Good Morning Leggs!

Kat

January 12th, 2012
9:09 am

When he/she starts accusing you of cheating, then they are already doing it.

mark

January 12th, 2012
9:11 am

i havent return a lady calls i have been seeing. and it;s because she has a bad ass 5yr old and 20yr old that doesnt work. and shes one of those new age parents that doesnt believe in spanking the 5yr old or kicking the 20yr old out. thats why i havent returned her calls and she finally got the ideal lastnight.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
9:27 am

@mark ~ isn’t it immature to just let the lady hang. Well, nevermind, I realize it’s the easy way out. But, how do you know she finally got the msg. last night?

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
9:29 am

Tasha Mack

January 12th, 2012
9:48 am

It’s over when I say its over dammit!

Shannon

January 12th, 2012
9:51 am

@mark

Not responding at all is a sign of immaturity on your part. If there’s something you don’t like about a relationship why not state so? Why play games? Even if it’s not something that you can be apart of, telling her may be the best thing. Maybe she doesn’t realize it’s a problem for you or likely any other mate.

I had a gentleman to sort of go silent on me and I have no clue why. I sure he thought long and hard about it because I heard from him a few weeks later. Well it’s not that easy or simple and frankly one good deed deserves another. You no speakie to me, when you’re having second thoughts, I no speakie to you. I think that shocked him. I quietly ignored him.

Sniffing No More!

January 12th, 2012
9:58 am

If she ain’t give u none

If she just lays up,no drive

If u have to ask everytime

If u lay but she ain’t talking derty when in the cut

If she don’t give u the warm rug anymore

If U lay but soon after she don’t need a cuddle but just gives u the butt and looks that way

She don’t care to look her best for u

If she don’t care to go down on ya

Even if she does go down,but it feels like she’s laboring,like she’s peeling potatoes or something

All the simple routine things are now done with a groan a butt a ummm,eeeee,or uuuuuu

It’s Over! :lol:

good merning!

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
10:06 am

Ex has the nerve to put #7 and #8 in there. It’s ok when the man doesn’t seem to care to do, but let a woman not be so interested in doing that and she’s kicked to the curb…TYPICAL (lol).

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
10:12 am

HiYas!

luvin the points leggs made. and kym, that song immediately made me think of kelly clarkston’s “already gone”. i had that sucker on repeat on the ipod a few months back. very telling signs, indeed.

i’ll be the first to admit that i can walk away from any relationship with few to no tears. after the beating i took getting out of my marriage, i just don’t allow anyone to mean that much to me.
sadly, this usually translates to the dude as “she don’t give a sh!t, so what am i doing here?” *sigh*

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
10:15 am

Morning All!

Usually the main telltale sign is the calls drop off and the plans to see each other come to a screetching halt! You used to not be able to wait to see each other, at least 2 or 3 times a week and now you’re lucky if you see each other twice a month.

The gifts you get for your birthday or Christmas are not romantic. Yeah I like to cook, but don’t come bringing me an electric carving knife! You used to get a cute piece of jewelry and/or some Vicky’s Secret! And now all of a sudden you don’t believe in Valentine’s Day. Yeah right!LOL!!

But please, don’t go 2 weeks without calling and seeing me, but expect to get some after you’ve gone ghost all that time! I don’t know where you & your weenie have been! Stay Gone!

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
10:22 am

now all of a sudden you don’t believe in Valentine’s Day
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
10:22 am

Good morning,

I don’t have much to say because of late it’s like the recycled topics (no slant to you Diva) feels like overkill. I will just say I’m agreeing with czBrat’s stance. It’s not about being hard (because I know I’m sure that’s how it going to read) but if I see signs that’s it’s over I’m going to ask you outright what’s up. That’s the woman in me, but I’m not begging and I’m not going to feel panicked and I’m not going to pull stupid stunts a lot of women (NOT ALL) pull. If you won’t act an ass over me, I’m certainly not going to do it for you. I’m not. You want out, you’re free to go. Thing is cause y’all know I catch feelings easily, I can REAAAAALLY feel, dig, like a dude but I can walk away tomorrow like nothing. Will I feel residuals? Absolutely. Nothing to do though with knowing how to cut it loose.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
10:23 am

Brat – LOL!! Girl, I had one joker I used to date to pull that mess on me, which was wild especially when he “believed” in it the prior two Valentine’s Days!!

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
10:23 am

Here’s another sign things are going south. When you ask “when will we see each other again” and the answer is almost always “sooner than later,” RUN. If you break this phrase down, it actually means NOTHING.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
10:23 am

Yeah I like to cook, but don’t come bringing me an electric carving knife!

LOL

M. (pronouced M dot)

January 12th, 2012
10:24 am

Good day everyone..

“What are signs that a relationship is over? Would you try to stay and find a way to make it work if you have signs that the other person has given up?”

My theory is this, most women treat guys like someone that has a job and they just got a better job. I think a lot of women can’t really entertain 2 guys at the same mental level at the same time, therefore, someone is going to get treated differently because they are focusing their energy and excitement on someone new. If its over, you have to cut your losses and ties immediately.

There are many signs that the relationship/courtship is over but from a guy perspective, I always look for these 5 things:

1. If every interaction you have with her is a short one, (short phone calls, she doesnt hang around as long as she used to) or the conversation is really dry thats a sign.

2. If her attitude just changes towards you. She seems irritable around you, seemingly annoyed by you.

3. If she is just telling you crazy lies or excuses and not putting any thought into them.

4. If she flakes out on you, i.e. it used to be easy as pie to set up a date or meetup now, it takes a lot of effort to set up a date.

5. If you only hear from her if you are reaching out.

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
10:27 am

I don’t know where you & your weenie have been! Stay Gone!

I don’t know why..but Kimmie errtime you mention “weenie” in your posts it makes me laugh…weenie…weenie…weenie.

On topic: I think intrinsically we know when it’s over b/c thoughts/feelings/habits change. There have been very good points made already and they’re all true… When the person you love starts doing things they didn’t or don’t do the things they used to..something just ain’t right. That’s when you make the decision to either try to fix it or let it go…

Of course every relationship is different and what may be a deal breaker for one may not be so for the other..but when once you’ve learned your mate, you can tell when something’s amiss.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
10:27 am

If their pattern changes….true sign

Sniffing No More!

January 12th, 2012
10:28 am

But ladies! Why are uall talking as if it’s only the guys who act differently when its over?

Why don’t u tell the menfolk what uall do instinctively when Its Over..so at least we get it from the horse’s mouth.

Kimmie

Cz
Leggs

Celisea

Shannon

Lady

Slim

?????

Sniffing No More!

January 12th, 2012
10:29 am

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
10:31 am

@Ex ~ my posts relates to both, man and woman.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
10:35 am

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
10:36 am

Mmeello – I think the ladies are speaking from personal experience but I think pattern changing happens with both genders.

Kym

January 12th, 2012
10:37 am

Boy this topic is slow going today… I have observed something recently in the behavior of guys..These jokers want you to chase them. I can only speak for me but I like to be courted, so if the guy is doing things to court me and get to know me then I am going to respond. But if your idea of courtship is to call at 3am or make last minute request for my time and really have no plan involved then rest assured you will get short convo, no call back and the like.

M. (pronouced M dot)

January 12th, 2012
10:39 am

@Kym

Question, whats your definition of courting?

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
10:42 am

Exiled – They are a bit interchangable really. But, in the past when I wasn’t feeling a dude anymore, I would’nt return calls as quickly, would not be as available, etc.

But to be honest, I really didn’t have the patience to keep that indifferent behavior going long. When it was over for me it was over and I hated to linger. So MOST of the time, I would just call dude and let him know it was not working for me anymore, if I was the one doing the breaking up. A few times I sort of beat them to the punch when they started going ghost on me.

I was kind of like Celisea & Brat. I loved hard, but I had absolutely no problem walking away and staying gone. Always extremely proud! Before the days of cell phones, I would literally leave the house if I had to to avoid calling a dude. After I got caller id, I would NOT pick up the phone for him.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
10:44 am

Exiled – Sadly, it was/is a all a game, and I got really good playing it!LOL!!

Kick Rocks

January 12th, 2012
10:47 am

@Kimmie- I won’t even give him the opportunity to get the visits down to twice a month. I shut it down the first time you don’t keep your word.

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
10:48 am

3. If she is just telling you crazy lies or excuses and not putting any thought into them.
ROF :lol:

actually, mello, i didn’t mean to imply that i am a victim of changed behavior from my man. i am the one who relishes my solitude so much that the constancy of intense relationships causes me to go casper from time to time. and that is the “sign”.

When the person you love starts doing things they didn’t or don’t do the things they used to..something just ain’t right.
here’s a thought though …. no relationship can stay in that state of newness. things are bound to change and even cool over time. does it always mean trouble in paradise?

Sniffing No More!

January 12th, 2012
10:48 am

Leggs..u saying ‘they’ and ‘it appears he’s no lobger’

Its All they

Lady~Don't believe the hype

January 12th, 2012
10:49 am

LOL Sniffing No More! Leggs stated them well! ;)

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
10:49 am

Kick – That’s what I’m talking about! I GOT good at being just like that over a little time. I completely lost patience dealing with the okey doke. The last few guys I dated before I met my husband, they didn’t know what hit them!

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
10:51 am

It’s just refreshing to see ladies of kindred spirits…lol I’m loving Kick Rock

Did anybody listen to the Bert Show this morning and the debate (sorta kinda) on “blackface?”

Lady~Don't believe the hype

January 12th, 2012
10:51 am

meaning men and women do these things

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
10:52 am

@czB ~ doesn’t mean there’s always trouble, but when everything you did to get the woman or man is done with and thrown out window, one must put that antenna up and pay attention. Do what you did to get your mate if you plan on keeping your mate. Slowing down is ok, but complete eradication is poison to the relationship.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
10:54 am

Slowing down is ok, but complete eradication is poison to the relationship.

Leggs – I totally agree. There is a big difference and your instincts will help you recognize it.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
10:55 am

I agree. The novelty of anything will wear off but there’s another place of paced comfort where things should head. Dropping off or a complete halt is not it.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
10:56 am

Too, when the novelty wears off, the both of you find that paced place together. If one, man or woman has completely disconnected you are not there. I guess though I don’t understand when people hang on or don’t want to face the music. IMO it’s painful but it’s easier to just be done already. The quicker the better.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
10:57 am

Leggs – Your 10:23, stuff like that burns me up!! When dudes are playing games, they LOVE to try to put you in a holding pattern like that and watch you squirm. That’s when I was at my finest. When he would FINALLY decide to squeeze me into his busy schedule, I would be extremely unavailable and busy!!!

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
10:57 am

Off topic – Some of these songs on the radio, I’m digging but some of these songs are just what???? Who is siging these folks up?

Kym

January 12th, 2012
10:57 am

My definition of courting is we meet if you are interested, act like it. If you ask me out and I accept, we go out, if it is a go and there is still and interest on my part I may ask you out..and so on and so on and shoopy doopy doo.

But lately I have run across guys who get to that first part and then they don’t call again no big deal I figure not interested moving on. Then low and behold 3 months later..phone call from ole dude saying “You don’t call anybody anymore.” Uhh if you are interested in me then you call me. I am not chasing you down.

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
11:00 am

Do what you did to get your mate if you plan on keeping your mate. Slowing down is ok, but complete eradication is poison to the relationship.
FINE!!!! :mad:

good thing i luv you ladies. :)

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Leggs

January 12th, 2012
11:04 am

@Celisea ~ didn’t hear about blackface, but did hear about the young lady that had a 2-night stand, only knew his first name, don’t really remember what he looked like but found herself pregnant. All she had was his cell number and his first name. Pure foolishness to me. You don’t protect yourself and let alcohol and other stuff sleeping with men you know nothing about gets you spread eagle with a lot of problems down the road.

@kimmie/Kym/czB ~ unfortunately I am known to have the “I don’t give a damn” attitude, and will definitely not tolerate BS from anyone. I will shut it down, regroup and try again. What I’m not going to do is idly sit by while you attempt to make a fool out of me. Not going to happen. I’ve been walking this road too long for someone to giddy up beside me half stepping.

Kick Rocks

January 12th, 2012
11:05 am

@Celiesa – I shut one down quickly when he said Ce-Lo Lady Killers CD was his favorite. lol

Robert

January 12th, 2012
11:05 am

“What are signs that a relationship is over?”

Trust is a major issue. For example;
1.Checking my cell phone
2.Going through my pants pockets looking for receipts
3.Inspecting my dirty laundry
4.Riding in my Car looking for evidence
5.Feeling to attached (D!ck Wipped)
6.Very emotional (jelously)
7.Lost Job and Income
8.Lost Home
9.Lost Car
10. Lost Man

i'm swiss

January 12th, 2012
11:07 am

Morning, folks. Just popping in to say hi. Oh, and by the way, Leggs, playing with yourself is much more fulfilling when you broadcast on webcam. And send me the link. Just sayin’…

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
11:08 am

Kick Rocks – LOL…Okaaaay

Like they told us in the 3rd grade at the crosswalk….STOP LOOK AND LISTEN

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
11:09 am

@czB ~ you are a pistol (lol).

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
11:12 am

Out or Robert’s 10 points, I haven’t done any of them!

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
11:13 am

@swiss ~ Hush…if I remember correctly, I said I don’t take the time to play with myself any more, it’s exhausting (lol).

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
11:15 am

Leggs – It wasn’t so much a debate but Bert’s kid had to pick from a list of “heros” someone to do a biography and he chose Muhummad Ali and during the course of the conversation with dad, he was hyped in saying all he was going to do in presentation and “going brown” or wearing brown makeup was one. So from there Bert said he didn’t respond because if he told him noooo, don’t do that, he’d have to explain. Bert said he knows blackface is taboo but didn’t really know the history. So he decided before he told him “no” he would research. After that he decided to get calls and opinions from the audience and someone on the show this morning named “Carl.” Now this might be someone famous but I didn’t catch the last name so I don’t know who he is but he wanted to give feedback on why the kid shouldn’t. By the way Carl’s kid and Bert’s kid have hung out/hangs out together sometimes. The other DJs was saying no but Bert’s stance was if it’s all innocent and the intent is to only go full character, why not? Very interesting discussion and mixed comments from listeners. I was last moving this morning so I missed everything else. I was in Publix buying Benefiber…lol Which by the was is only a bit half full. Somebody owes me about 6.00 bucks back.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
11:16 am

Leggs – I don’t remember the exact words used, but they were similiar to that “sooner than later” mess. A dude said that to me and I immediately shot back with “let’s make it later, much later, then”. Like I said earlier, he didn’t know what hit him and how to respond!!LOL!!!

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
11:17 am

And sometimes you get so tired of running into “nots” and “nothings” that sometimes, just sometimes you’d rather swing it single.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
11:18 am

The other DJs were saying

i'm swiss

January 12th, 2012
11:19 am

Well Leggs, if you need a hand…

:lol:

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
11:20 am

Same here, kimmie. A playa (or even a wannabe playa) thinks he’s saying a lot when saying “sooner or later.” Baby, I can’t wait to see you again, don’t know when but it will be sooner than later, and the woman should feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Those are “filler words” and they mean as much as Jack in the Beanstalks beans growing in my backyard! Game recognize game…

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
11:20 am

leggs, not only have i not done anything on robert’s list, but i can’t even identify with that mentality.

@ kimmie 11:16. like i said … just luv ya, chica!

Robert

January 12th, 2012
11:22 am

@Kym – “I can only speak for me but I like to be courted, so if the guy is doing things to court me and get to know me then I am going to respond.”

Good morning Kym. How are you? I am thinking about you….R. U. free for lunch?

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
11:25 am

@swiss ~ I can only laugh at you. See, that’s the problem…not looking for handouts, looking for the real deal. :wink:

@czB ~ exactly, can’t identify with that mentality. I aint checking crap! If I don’t trust you, I don’t need to be with you. Now, if things began to get muddy, I won’t resort to snoping, but we will sit down and talk things over. If the water clears fine, if not….NEXT!

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
11:30 am

Going through somebody’s dirty laundry? :|

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
11:30 am

That’s a new one

mark

January 12th, 2012
11:31 am

@leggs and @ shannon:
Ladies you both right and i have just called the young lady and told her what the problem was and now she syas she realized it and is willing to work on it. so i guess communication was the key.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
11:31 am

Brat – :)

As far as courting and such – if a guy was truly interested in me, he let me know it by not only his word, but his actions. No man I’ve dealt with has been really rode the fence on this. Either he was into me and it showed, or he was not. I would respond in kind to the dudes that were really interested. There was give & take, easy. Those that were flaky with their interest, I was completely flaky with mine until I didn’t feel like playing any more. I had a dude to tell me once “you don’t call nobody, not even call them back, you’re lazy”. He was so right, it would not even occur to me to pick up the phone sometimes to call him. That’s because he was playing me and I was on to it!

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
11:35 am

@mark ~ glad to hear it, but you’re old enought to know “communication” is always the key. So many don’t try and just walk away…like I said, the new breed of humans lack patience. And yes, Ex, it’s a two way street.

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
11:36 am

exactly, celisea! looking for what???

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
11:38 am

“you’re lazy”? no. i’m not lazy. i’m finicky.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
11:40 am

czBrat – One thing Raqi use to ask is “where are they finding these women”…lol Girl, looking for what I don’t know but I’ll be daggone if I’m rambling through anything. Dirty laundry, clean laundry, cars, phones…

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
11:43 am

Brat/Celisea/Leggs – Laundry? H no! See I’ve always been so proud, I wouldn’t want any dude even knowing I was into him like that.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
11:48 am

Hey Kimmie – The jury is still out on Robert’s list…lol Going through pants pockets, his car?

Sniffing No More!

January 12th, 2012
11:50 am

None of them?

Leggs?!

No D!ck whipped? :lol:

so this Viagra issue is serous ha?

All of them??

ladies,I’m organizing a collection plate for Leggs so we can hire a man with natural talents…At least she deserves that.. :lol:

@Swiss. She does need a hand!

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
11:50 am

For Real

January 12th, 2012
12:03 pm

what up blog fam!!

On topic: It’s over the day my peace is disturb

Courting: Ladies courting is a 50/50 thing. I move, you move….

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
12:06 pm

For Real – You are right about courting being 50/50. That’s what I eluded to in my post about give and take. My husband and I courted each other. Not one chasing the other and hitting them over the head with a club.

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
12:14 pm

this is my feeling on that whole inspector gadget approach. the very instant it crosses my mind that i should start checking up on you to discover what dirt you’ve been getting into, that’s the instant i need to start looking for the nearest exit. end of problem.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
12:18 pm

@Sniffing ~ do I sound like I’ve ever been D whipped! Had good sex, but nothing making me go on the deep end or acting stupid to get back to it! Nope.

And, for the record, I don’t need a collection taken up. I have no problem turning down the ones I’m turning down. I’m good over here….don’t need a helping hand either, but thanks for your warped concern.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
12:23 pm

I wonder if it’s just me…it could very well be but why in the heck does my dentist call to confirm the next day’s appointment at dang 7:00 in the morning!! That mess irritates the heck out of me… You can’t call like after 9:00 ish???

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

I’m listening to the voicemail of a call I bumped this morning cause it was just too dang early.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
12:25 pm

@Celisea ~ my dentist calls 3 days in advance. :shock:

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
12:27 pm

They call the day before because they charge you $50 if you don’t show. I don’t even mind the day before…but 7:00 in the morning. This is each time I have an appointment.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
12:28 pm

I’m so happy I always opt to do the Flex Spending Account. I don’t have to come out of pocket…well sort of I do because it’s out of my check. The day of though, I’m glad I can pull out my FSA Card.

Sniffing No More!

January 12th, 2012
12:33 pm

not even going back to dude’s house in only trench coat but completely butt nekkid?

would that be Deep end for U..at least U,Leggs?

:lol:

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
12:35 pm

@Celisea ~ love pulling out the FSA card (even though it’s my Ex’s).

Sniffing No More!

January 12th, 2012
12:39 pm

trying to determine if Leggs likes candy.. ;)

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
12:43 pm

Me too…especially when you get there and there are a few surprises they failed to discuss the previous visit…lol I had some work done and got to the counter to check out. Aside from my portion it was another $40.00 for an antibiotic. Um, how come the dentist just didn’t write a presciption and I got it filled for $7.00??? Yeah that FSA card is good to have. I paid it but I wasn’t happy. I was ready to get home, get medicine and get to bed.

GracieL

January 12th, 2012
12:44 pm

It’s over when: He sends a facebook message from his iPhone: “Hey baby, miss you, be back in few days, looking forward to… yadda yadda..” to you, and to another woman (We’re all named “baby,” so why retype it?) not realizing that FB will make it a three-way conversation, and then turns on YOU in a frightening, nasty way (that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand on end) when you confront him for getting sloppy with his juggling.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
12:47 pm

The chick covering for the ballplayer is shadowing with me for getting up to speed. Funny thing, she called me yesterday and told me of the two meetings and laundry list of questions, issues and items….she asked pointblank, “what sort of jacket should I wear into this thing?” That was funny as heck. She said I just told him, I don’t need to see and talk to him everyday. She said (while I was on vacay last month), that after see all the work I normal prepare for his meetings she called and said “it’s a one hour meeting, you don’t need all of that stuff” Hey I’ve said it a gazillion times. Some things I stopped doing because he’s just an idiot BUUUUT, I’m out and she’s in and she ain’t feeling it.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
12:48 pm

seeing, normally

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
12:54 pm

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
1:22 pm

Those who get caught on FB deserves to be caught on FB for being so dumb thinking they can hide behind social media.

@Chelisea ~ why did I get a call on Tuesday saying I owed $$ from a visit back in April and May. Why when I was there in May they didn’t tell me about an outstanding balance then. Took my co-pay and said nothing. Now, January 2012 I get a call about payment from April and May. I told them they need to fire their bookkeeper because I pay my bills on time and it makes no sense to receive a bill 8 months later. I quibbled and quibbled and got $40 taken off for an administrative fee. You damn skippy to take that off!!!

Sorry, back to regularly scheduled blogging…

Robert

January 12th, 2012
1:29 pm

@kimmie – “Brat/Celisea/Leggs – Laundry? H no! See I’ve always been so proud, I wouldn’t want any dude even knowing I was into him like that.”

If you were my woman you would happily do my laundry with yours. I would reward your good deed with my “passion & desire” all night long.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
1:30 pm

@Robert ~ The point wasn’t about “doing” laundry. It was about going “through” his dirty laundry looking for dirt other than the soot on his clothing.

@Kym ~ NEVAMIND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
1:41 pm

Robert – You sound like a weirdo most times you come on here. But I don’t care how fabulous the weenie is, ain’t none been enough to make me lose my mind and go on stalking rampage thru some stank draws! LOL!!

Plus, my husband and I have different styles on how we like laundry done, so he does his & the kids and I do mine. Works out beautiful.

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
1:47 pm

But I don’t care how fabulous the weenie is, ain’t none been enough to make me lose my mind and go on stalking rampage thru some stank draws!

:lol: :mrgreen: :lol:

need air…must get air…please resuscitate

Kym

January 12th, 2012
1:50 pm

Okay why is it I come back from lunch and enter in on the strangest conversations..Stank drawers..one time it was some other kind of drawers…I do believe we are becoming panty/drawers obsessed up in this piece.

Ms5

January 12th, 2012
1:59 pm

you ask..”when will I see you again”, his response “I’ll let you know”…..

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

uh-huh. s/o and i have different laundry “styles” too, but for the benefit of not having to do it himeself he will gladly defer to my style and leave me with that task. i don’t mind though. i luv housework.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
2:06 pm

@Ms5 ~ a response like that would have me taking a step back, saying “ummmm excuse me?” If we’re dating, don’t dismiss me like that. An open-end response like that dictates all the control in the relationship rests with the one making that statement all the while surveying other opportunities before getting back in touch with you.

czBrat

January 12th, 2012
2:08 pm

here’s one i’m guilty of —> “are you busy this weekend?”. “YES!”.
don’t even matter what part of the weekend dude had in mind.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
2:11 pm

I love that old song, by the Three Degrees, from the 70’s, When Will I See You Again?

When will I see you again?
When will we share precious moments?
Will I have to wait forever?
Or will I have to suffer and cry the whole night through?

When will I see you again?
When will our hearts beat together?
Are we in love or just friends?
Is this my beginning or is this the end?
When will I see you again?
(When will I see you again?)
When will I see you again?

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
2:17 pm

Robert’s post was waaaaaay over the top. And too funny to do anything but laugh. lol

Ms5

January 12th, 2012
2:17 pm

@Leggs…that’s what I was thinking. Didn’t talk to him for a few days. Few days later, he called and asked me the same question, “when will I see you again”….my response…..”I’ll let you know”……he was speechless!

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
2:19 pm

Afternoon All,

On Topic – it seems a no brainer to say that communication is the key. HOWEVER it has been established on numerous occasions that Men and Women speak totally different languages. What i’ve noticed is that although a lot of men prefer the fade away if you translate some of the Ladies responses today they actually do the fade away pretty well. men will fade away and then swing back around in the hopes of re-establishing some kind of connection. Women just fade away never to be heard of from again. The only problem is that of course we Men know that sometimes ever so often we get that get back (of course not from the blog ladies right).

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
2:23 pm

We talked up Oceannaire’s yesterday. I just received an evite from them for a 5-course wine dinner on Jan. 20th for $100.00.

Kym

January 12th, 2012
2:23 pm

@Willie D..so I see dudes fade to black and then show up at the closing credits for more spotlight time? Yeah not working for me.

The older I get my “gift for goodbye” gets better.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
2:26 pm

@Ms5 ~ I literally spit some of my bite-sized snickers onto my desk. EXCELLENT COMEBACK….EXCELLENT!

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
2:27 pm

Willie – I’m not gonna lie, as time went on, I was fine with the fade-away. I’m not one of those chicks that need “closure”. The bottom line is you don’t want me no more. I don’t need to have a “break-up” date or need to have it done in person. If you don’t want to call & tell me it’s over, that’s fine. The time I hated though, was the time between when the fade-away started and I got the message it was the fade-away. My pride was hurt, that’s all.

Of course now being married is a whole different ballgame. Fadeaway is not possible!

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
2:27 pm

Kym – Dudes don’t say goodbye we say “see you later” hahaha. Plus sometimes that gift for goodbye gets re-gifted. IJS

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
2:31 pm

I don’t think it’s that we don’t or won’t admit to having done “do-overs”, I think we’ve reached a point of knowing “do-overs” will just get done the say way and an eventual goodbye….

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
2:34 pm

Third try….gheesh

I don’t think that we don’t admit to having done “do-overs”, I just think we’ve come to learn that “do-overs” are just done over the say way they happened the first time and goodbye is eventual….

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
2:34 pm

@WillieD ~ I’ll speak for the ladies here (even if I’m wrong). At the ages we are now, more than likely no “get back” after saying goodbye. Now, us blog ladies back in the day may have a different answer. When you mature, some things you no longer compromise on. Being thought of after the fact is one of them.

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
2:34 pm

Kimmie – Dudes thrive on that in between time. Most Women until they have been through it a time or two need that closure to reconcile the message. Really we get away with what we can until we can’t. Then we K.I.M
We also know Pride is a Sin and most Women can’t fathom why a Dude is not jumping through hoops for them. Jaded perhaps, Naive perhaps? Women play the game waaaaay better but Men practice more, hence the skewed Misadventures.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
2:39 pm

Honestly, it hurts more to hang on to somebody moving on than the played out shenanigans. I think that’s what we (at least) me are saying. We are not removed from any of the the stuff that happens in dating but I know for me, pride is a mug and I’ll hurt like hell before I show a dude that or any weakness. While I know any “man” that knows a woman, knows the hurt is there after a bad breakup, I refuse to show and it give him that. Like the saying, never let ‘em see you sweat?? That’s how I feel about my person.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
2:40 pm

And really if you let life’s stream move you along, you’ll just “outgrow” bullcrap on such a grand scale that it’s really silly to repeat the same silly mistakes because that’s what love and the game calls for.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
2:45 pm

Willie – I guess I got jaded early, cause my mom schooled me against needed that closure after my first serious bf in college. She was always very frank. “Bottom line, he’s not interested anymore, so have some pride and quit calling him!” is what she would tell me. She let me know while your mom & dad think you are the greatest thing since sliced bread, every man doesn’t. It hurt to hear at the time, but she was right!

That in between time when I’m calling to see what’s up and he’s fading, I would think back and feel like a fool. But you are so right about dudes getting away with stuff until they can’t.

Pride is one sin I absolutely am guilty of.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
2:47 pm

Pride definitely mimizes the amount of egg on your face!

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
2:56 pm

Willie, you gonna sell them the whole store ain’t you!!

Reio

January 12th, 2012
2:57 pm

Hi all! Been away for a bit. In the hospital, and resting at home. I’ll try and get in on more discussions in the future as I continue to get better. Don’t even know what the topic is today, just thought I’d say hello.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
3:00 pm

Reio – Welcome back and glad you are getting better!

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
3:04 pm

men will fade away and then swing back around in the hopes of re-establishing some kind of connection.

WTH is up with that?!…swinging back through in hopes of what praytell. I’ve never liked it and the fact that you thought you could re-establish some kind of connection almost insults me…if we done then kick rocks por favor.

Women just fade away never to be heard of from again.

I’ve been guilty of this on several occasions and prefer this as my exit strategy. If we’re in a relationship then no I won’t just up and disappear…but once we’re done I’m out..no phone calls or “hey how u doin or just thinkin about you texts” either. Zip, zilch,nada. Now if you’re some random then yeah I’ll fade away like mist on a hot azz day in July and I like that….don’t judge me.

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
3:05 pm

Cel – I totally understand but at some point you know the right dude will see you sweat but he’ll be there with the cloth to dab it away. Don’t run.

Leggs – Pride don’t do isht but have you knitting quilts and feeding cats. j/k j/k don’t hit me.

Jake -Just handing out coupons to the store thats all. Seasonal workers need the foot traffic. A real Salesman knows he don’t have to sale. hahaha

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
3:05 pm

Jake – Nothing in the world new can be sold to us. Even when you think you’re getting over, newsflash – you’re not.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:10 pm

Nice to see you here, Reio. Glad your on the better end of your recovery.

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
3:13 pm

Even when you think you’re getting over, newsflash – you’re not.

worth repeating…

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:15 pm

@WillieD ~ I beg to differ. Pride helps you to help yourself on many levels. When one speaks about pride, not saying they’re holding on or relinquishing ALLof their pride. No one should give up/swallow all of your pride. When one doesn’t have ANY pride is when one becomes reckless, stupid, careless and soul is compromised. You need to walk with pride in yourself if nothing else. That’s a good starting point.

Kym

January 12th, 2012
3:19 pm

O/T…I am so excited about going back to school!!! Sorry but I am looking at a new computer and I am hyped..carry on.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:21 pm

“Leggs – Pride don’t do isht but have you knitting quilts and feeding cats. j/k j/k don’t hit me.”

Although I don’t knit, it is very relaxing. I love my cat! – Pride can keep you from going to jail!

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:24 pm

And not busting a beer bottle upside someone’s noggin (WillieD)!

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
3:25 pm

Leggs – I liken pride to self-respect.

As to my 3:05 to Jake. Unless I was just completely stupid or caught completely off guard, no man has done anything to me that I didn’t instinctively know was wrong. I just chose at the time to be in denial, gloss over it, make excuses, thus allowing him to do it to me. As I got older I got less willing to play dumb. I’m human and made mistakes like anyone and will continue to. But my eyes have always been open.

Reio

January 12th, 2012
3:26 pm

Kimmie & Leggs – Thanks. Glad to be home and able to rest. Once my daily routine levels out, I’ll be able to get in on more discussions. Thank you so much.

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
3:27 pm

Willie-couponing is pretty big these days…since you have already told it…the fade away works at about 87.2%. She don’t want to let go so you can ease away while still having a good time. The key is to keep it as cordial as possible, make her Understand that its not working, but keep her from hating you. And its always me, not you….lol. Fadeaway, Swish!!

Kimmie-you would be suprised what I got away with back in those days before I moved into Scouting instead of being an active player/coach.

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
3:29 pm

WillieD – Stooop…no running here :)

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:30 pm

Me too, kimmie. Pride = self-respect!

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
3:33 pm

Sassy – ummm, c’mon man. You got dudes knocking on your door after a year. You are not that naive. Sometimes its not that simple (puddy play) and it really is a reflection of growth/timing/maturity. Then again 9 out of 10 it is just a puddy play. (Tween me and you, nobody else reading, what kinda symbol you got on that cape flying outta your ….SP perhaps?)smile

Leggs – agree to disagree? My definition and your definition of Pride may differ thats all. Now put the beer bottle down and lets talk this out like folks. BTW nice blouse.

Jake – now you giving away the store.

Kym

January 12th, 2012
3:35 pm

Sounds like I said earlier..jokers want you to chase them..thanks but no thanks I bow out.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:37 pm

Pride is pride, no matter how you slice it, WillieD. Some people don’t have it and will stoop to anything to get what they want. E.g., take the woman that jumps on the hood of her man’s car in the hopes of preventing him from leaving. To me, that’s a lack of pride, self respect, whatever you want to call it. If you have pride, you’d let that mofo drive that car down the road and hope it blow up….I digress (lol). I kid (Ito a point).

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:39 pm

Today is 1/12/12….there’s my 212

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:41 pm

They probably blocked that number!

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
3:42 pm

Jake – No, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. Most know when they are being played, just choose to ignore it.

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
3:42 pm

WillieD…I kinda did huh….lol.

It doesn’t matter though, when that deer is in them headlights, it is confused as hellz..

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
3:43 pm

Sometimes its not that simple (puddy play) and it really is a reflection of growth/timing/maturity.

That’s for him to deal with, not me. I get your point Willie, but that was him swinging back around trying to “re-connect”…not me and that’s why it was easy for me to send him on his merry way. He called me mean and had the nerve to ask me if I only cared about him when it came to “doing the grown”…to which my answer was, “That was our agreement/arrangement” so NO I don’t care about you outside of that. Of course we had physical attraction but that’s as far as it went for/with me…for him I can’t say and ain’t interested in knowing. I’m gonna do a Jay-Z and “Fade to Black”….sometimes that isht kills dudes.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:46 pm

Ummm, WillieD/Jake ~ your post at 3:27 is nothing new. Most are aware of this technique.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
3:48 pm

Leggs – That’s what I was trying to say – ain’t nothing new under the sun!

Kym

January 12th, 2012
3:49 pm

@Leggs I think I am going to play me a couple of numbers tonight..thinking about my birthday and the boy’s birthday.

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
3:49 pm

Kimmie…as I saw on here once before, such is life…Everyone will have certain unavoidable experiences…the problem that I have with this discussion is, Ladies believe that Dudes intend on playin them from the giddy up, but that’s not really how it goes. Dudes are often lookin for something significant too, but we don’t live in an emotional nutshell and can quickly recognize when the only thing significant is the “HoTT and Toasty”.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:53 pm

It’s amazing how so many men really think we are dumb creatures and can’t see the obvious right in front of us even when they’re acting like they put perfume on a pig and it no longer stinks! We are not dumb women. It’s like watching your enemy in your peripheral vision all the while looking dead ahead at the person in front of you.

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
3:54 pm

Jake – 3:49 that’s what I’ve been trying to say for years.

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
3:55 pm

Nice symbolism in that last post Leggs…especially the last line. That’s real talk.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

@Kym ~ and my bday 129!

@MLBs ~ just like many of you think you’re dropping knowledge on us, let me share this with you. We know when you’re sniffing around, we know when you think of clever ways to get us to open the front door or even step out on the porch and talk. We know what’s up when you ask if we would like to stop over for a drink on our way home. We know when you aren’t into us at all, but still want to ride. We really do know…

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
3:56 pm

Dayum Sassy, I am hurtin for dude…did he really ask you that? Ole Babyface azz dude!!

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
3:58 pm

Willie/Jake you guys make valid points but just know that if y’all wookin pah nubb or something significant sometimes your actions belies the notion…not always but often enough.

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:02 pm

@Jake~ Yes he really did ask me that… What a rookie move that was. He needed to have his man-card revoked or sumthin.

Babyface azz dude!!

My sentiments exactly…where they do that at?!

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
4:03 pm

Jake – I get what you are saying. You are right, it’s life. Speaking for myself, I take ownership of everything that’s gone down with me & men, the good and the bad. I was raised to have respect for myself, so yeah, my radar was on. That didn’t mean at times I wasn’t played. I’m human. Nothing happened to me that I didn’t allow to happen. And no, I didn’t think every dude was out to play me. Every one was not looking for a relationship either. The trick is recognizing and figuring how I want to react to it. Sometimes I played along. Sometimes I hoped against hope that my instincts about dude were wrong. Those are the times I got played, but yeah I knew it wasn’t right. I didn’t shoot myself in the foot, though, and become bitter. I recognized real love when it presented itself. That’s all that matters.

Just don’t think anything you or Willie or any of these other dudes say on here is new or you’re dropping some knowledge. Been there, seen it, done it.

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

Willie, they don’t believe us, guess we need more people…

Yea Sassy, I feel ya, but you do know that her actions will always dictate his

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
4:06 pm

@kimmie ~ Exactly what I was trying to say..

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
4:08 pm

and sometimes is actions will dictate hers….its a two way street.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
4:08 pm

his actions…

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
4:10 pm

Ladies – I am agreeing with probably 87.2% (ha) of what you all are saying. Don’t shoot the messengers. We understand and feel your pain. We took a giant leap and went against the code and see what its getting us. Then again we deserve it for being dumbazzes. We should have just stuck with the company motto. Bro’s before…..

Jake – dayum mayne,next time close the store early.

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

Precisely..it is definitely a two way street..

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
4:11 pm

Sassy-No dayum where, I hope you at least gave him a parting shot…

Kimmie-so you are sayin that I am not Negrodamus?…hehehe

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
4:12 pm

Enter your comments here

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:13 pm

Willie I wasn’t aiming at you or Jake…I know there are other male bloggers who are lurking and nodding in agreement with what your saying…only they didn’t have the nerve to say so.

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

Aight, the store is closed Indefinitely for Renovations, and somebody just got hit with an Insider Trading charge…

Celisea

January 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

I think 87.2% is a good number :) The other 12.8% is probably due to ya’ll being men and just knowing from a man’s window.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
4:14 pm

Jake – Nope, not Nostra either! LOL!!

I grew up with 4 brothers. I should have actually had a way better history with men. I had somewhat of a head start on gaining knowledge about them. Oh well….

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
4:15 pm

@WillieD ~ see that’s what we’re saying…you didn’t go behind the code. You’re trying to reveal something we already know! If anything, WE went behind the code to let you know we see more than you think we see (LOLOL).

Watch your mouth!!

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:16 pm

I hope you at least gave him a parting shot…

:shock:

Ummm no…seeing him slither away all broken was all the gratification I needed..plus he’s on some boyish/childish bullisht. I gots me a man now :lol:

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
4:18 pm

Sassy – There is NOTHING like a REAL MAN!! :wink:

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:22 pm

There sure isn’t Kimmie!

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
4:23 pm

Sassy wit extra sauce…now I see, you got you a man, so the maintenance dude is no longer needed…such is life.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
4:25 pm

He wasn’t needed before she got with her “real man.” She felt he was blocking what she was really looking for in a relationship and put a stop to the shenanigans (lol)…Poof she was able to recognize him and him recognize her.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
4:27 pm

Sassy – A good friend of mine came in contact with this guy I used to date awhile back. She used to work with him and actually introduced me to him. We dated about 3 years on and off, but it just didn’t work out. He didn’t want anything substantial. They still work for the same company, just in different states now. She said he’s up to the same old stuff, trying to be a player in his late 40’s now. What might have been cute before just looks stupid. SMH

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:30 pm

THANK YOU LEGGS!!!

Jake that is exactly what happened…one of the first laws of physics is two things cannot occupy the same space at the same time and I realized that if I was going to be with man I wanted that the boy toy couldn’t be in his space…so he had to go. I was celibate for a while until I “re-connected” with Mr. Bermuda…who has recently moved back to the States…yeah for meeeee :-)

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
4:32 pm

Dayum Leggs, who broke Sassy’s fingers?…lol

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
4:32 pm

Leggs – Needs and wants Needs and wants. She got what she wanted until she figured out what she needed.

To be honest I wasn’t trying to drop knowledge or anything like that. I was as always taking a jab at these Babyface Azz dudes shining a flashlight in broad daylight trying to find something. I would rather talk to Women and hope they get the message in a round-a-bout kind of way. Dudes get real defensive (kinda like Women) and say he not talking to me.

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:33 pm

What might have been cute before just looks stupid.

True,true. Once the novelty wears off that isht is soo not a good look. kimmie I’m glad your friend didn’t try to make lemonade outta that lemon. That dude hasn’t met his match yet, there’s always one that’ll be his Kryptonite…there’s ALWAYS one.

kimmie

January 12th, 2012
4:34 pm

It’s been totally fun gang, but I’m cutting out! Read ya tomorrow.

Be easy!

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
4:35 pm

Yep, WillieD. That so coincides with my E.O.D.

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
4:37 pm

@Jake ~ she was having a coughing fit, so I typed her response for her.

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:39 pm

she was having a coughing fit, so I typed her response for her.

:lol:

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
4:40 pm

shiiiiiiid I must be special. I’ve ran into my Kryptonite several times.

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:45 pm

Oh really Willie?…so how well did you handle your first encounter with Ms. Kryptonite, cause that first time is a doozey. Since you said “several times”, I’m sure it took multiple encounters for you to build up your resistance…or did you marry her?

Sassy Me...Juicy Fruit ;-)

January 12th, 2012
4:47 pm

By y’all…have a good evening!!!!

Willie Dynamite

January 12th, 2012
4:49 pm

didn’t marry her and the rest is officially “No Comment’

Leggs

January 12th, 2012
4:55 pm

Good night!

Have what you want, but WANT what you have.

Peace!

Jake a.k.a. SPJ, TWB

January 12th, 2012
4:57 pm

“I would rather talk to Women and hope they get the message in a round-a-bout kind of way”

Willie- Subliminal messages always been a 50/50 proposition to me, I usaully go more direct, cause some folks need things plain, but to each his own”

ya’ll be safe out there this evening