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Are men in trouble?

I read CNN’s opinion piece by William Bennett called “Why Men Are in Trouble” and it made me think hard about men. In the article, Bennett outlines why he thinks men today are not showing strong signs of grasping what being a man is about.

It’s interesting that Bennett addresses a lack of maturity that he thinks is a big part of the problem. To wit:

“Just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I’ve heard too many young women asking, “Where are the decent single men?” There is a maturity deficit among men out there, and men are falling behind.”

If men are in trouble, what does this mean for the future of our dating relationships?

Do you agree that men are not stepping up to the plate in their transition from boys to men?

Another thing that stood out in the article is the fact that Bennett sited a “decline in virtues” that men are showing less success/interest in work, marriage, and religion. Would you agree?

Do you think men are in trouble?

By Wise Diva, Misadventures in Atlanta Dating Blog

373 comments Add your comment

Jeff

October 5th, 2011
8:12 am

Considering that almost everything a man does, he is often lamsbasted from all sides by women about what he should be doing differently, it’s not a surprise. We have spent so much time in the last 30 years promoting anything and everything female, and denigrating men to the point we are nothing more than a punch line, this is the end result.

We step up to the plate…..”Stop trying to dominate”.
We don’t step up to the plate……”Man up”.

At some point, 3 things may happen:
*He sits in the corner and takes it, left only to write the checks, carry the heavy stuff, and fix things.
*He adapts.
*He throws his hands up and walks away.

MrsNewy

October 5th, 2011
8:12 am

I think society in general is in trouble. We are plagued with apathy, greed, and mediocrity while there is often a sense of entitlement. This comes from being in a “microwave society”. More and more people want instant gratification. That is why we are in trouble now.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
8:20 am

I think men and people in general suffer from a lack of accountability. its always someone elses fault. Men and women seems to have a lack of priorities these days. i mean look at all the people who don’t have healthcare? How many of those households have cable (even HBO), internet, smart phones? Its a priorities issue. When my grandparents were growing up you made sure you had a roof and food. Anything else was second, but back then there was less government crutches,

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
8:23 am

Jeff and Newy I think have got it. I think that men do need to man up and get off the video games, things have gone too far. Get a JOB!!!! If you are 25 years old and still live with your parents, wake up you are a LOSER!!! If you have had some trouble, deal with it, don’t ppush it off on a crippled, and corrupt gov, your parents that actually worked their own way toward retirement, or some woman that is obviously more motivated, smarter, and harder working. BE A MAN!!!! You are making the rest of us LOOK BAD!!!!

American Male

October 5th, 2011
8:28 am

Well, let’s examine the current scene…

If I should be stupid enough to actually marry one of these females lamenting the lack of “decent” (..aka, blind and stupid…) men, there is a better than 60% chance she will divorce me. 80% of the divorces in the United States are initiated by the woman. A better question would be why are women walking away from the relationships in far greater numbers?

Then, the man is required to pay out most of his income to support this woman and any children that may have resulted. He will play very little further role in the upbringing of the children but must maintain the income flow under penalty of jail.

Is it any wonder there are no “decent” single men? Only a fool would expose themselves to this present arrangement!

Yes!!!!

October 5th, 2011
8:31 am

Jeff, you sir are absolutely correct…. Society only allows us (men) to be men when sh@t hits the fan…. women will see more (mature) men when they stop trying to wear the pants in the relationship and accept that we are suppose to be the head of the household….

RJ's Wife aka QC

October 5th, 2011
8:36 am

Good morning all – thanks goodness I don’t have this problem with my Husband. Good Hump Day topic…have a great day all :-)

LeeH1

October 5th, 2011
8:37 am

This is also the flip side of women’s lib. Women used to be like this- stay at home, don’t get a job, be immature, until a man came by and married her. Women wanted to be more like men. They have become so.

But more men have become like women. Soon, women will have the obligations of work, child raising, and doing all the important stuff, and men will be like women used to be- lie around the house all day and bitch.

It can start by women raising better boys. Except they want their boys to be more like women- caring, tolerant, safty-minded, non-competitive, non-agressive, learning how to sit still, shut up, and do what their Mommas tell them to do.

This has been goving on since the 1970s. Lookit what happened! The women were sucessful! They won! Men are kinder, more gentle, more tolerant than they used to be! This is what women aimed to get in society, and they got it.

Stonethrower

October 5th, 2011
8:38 am

Blah, blah, blah. Keeping moving folks. Nothing to see here. But, the answers and finger pointing will be interesting. Especially when the readers and writers get to the “the great majority of __________ men are dropouts and incarcerated, thugs etc. blah, blah, blah

Chuck

October 5th, 2011
8:38 am

I love the basic supposition here that women are all calm, rational and mature individuals who are utterly and completely blameless in the failure of their relationships.

Of course they are…

Big Dawg Cobb

October 5th, 2011
8:40 am

I agree with Jeff, women today complain about men but they complain about everything. It’s today’s woman that is in trouble. Most women today are lazy selfish and spoiled. I’m all for gender equality but be careful what you ask for. Women want to be released of their long time social duties of cooking, cleaning and child rearing and expect someone else to do it (maids, daycare, ect) but they still want the man to perform his traditional duties and pick up their slack. NO THANKS

Rbee

October 5th, 2011
8:42 am

American Male has it exactly right…and if a young woman in her early twenties still lives at home, does that make her a loser, too? or does that only apply to males? that’s the problem right there…

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
8:44 am

I agree Chuck. Its not a men thang. I mean come on young men today are too worried about keeping it real but women are just as bad worrying about whether they are developing a muffin top or not.

Yes!!!!

October 5th, 2011
8:44 am

CmonSeriously,

While I understand the points that you are trying to make in your observation, I do not totally agree, I’m a 29 year old male who DOES live with his parents; no, not because I’m a loser, but because I’m currently buried in student loans and other bills. True, everyone has bills but look at where pride has currently gotten this Country lately… See where I’m going with this…. I work Full-time, pay tithes, support non-profit organizations, support my Family 110%, take care of every issue that comes up… Heck, I even have (financially and emotionally) supported children that I didn’t conceive. I got a bachelor’s degree in Human Resource Management, about to start on a Master’s, never been in ANY trouble with the law… and the list goes on… Overall, my job doesn’t pay enough to try and impress anyone with material things and/or possessions. Yes, I plan on moving out very soon… but I had to be realistic about my situation in a very unstable economy… Look at the number of individuals in the baby boomer era who are now moving back in with their parents just to stay afloat….

Dan

October 5th, 2011
8:46 am

Couldn’t be said any better than this.

What motivates such reactions from women? I do believe that it corresponds with the fading into the sunset of the Biblical view of what a man is. With no vision from God of what true manhood is and the rejection of God Himself this vision has very little impetus for being established in our culture.

What woman is going to submit to that Godly vision if she is not a Christian? Zero to none.

It takes the knowledge and power of God along with unity of belief for each sex to fulfill the vision of true manhood. The man can not be a man in the true Christian sense that God sets forth and the woman can not submit to it unless she realizes that in the heart of a true Christian man is the desire to die daily to himself and lay down his life for his wife. When she knows that he has her best interests at heart she will submit to the man.

True manhood has vision, courage, compassion and will. When it’s vision is not supported and encouraged by woman it has little chance of surviving.

Dan

October 5th, 2011
8:47 am

My previous comment was in response to Jeff’s comments.

Whatever

October 5th, 2011
8:49 am

There you go, blaming someone else for you aren’t doing. Women want men to step up. We’re tired of always being in control. What woman doesn’t want a good man and is happy to be submissive to a GOOD, RESPONSIBLE man. There are a lot of good men out there who is doing what he needs to do and loves doing it. I’m not sure about this new generation that’s coming up. We need the real men to be there for their sons, daughters and even neighborhood sons to teach them what real men are about. It’s not having a lot of babies that make you a man, but taking care of responsibilities, yourself, family and being a good citizen.

Robert

October 5th, 2011
8:51 am

Are men in trouble?

It depends on where you live in the USA. Men all over this country are in trouble for various reasons (economy, jobs, etc.) and are finding it difficult. For example Black men in the South (NC,SC,GA, etc.) between the ages of 20-35 who grew-up in single parent homes (roots babies, crack babies, etc.) are on the “battlefield” and are losing the war against families. Statistics show 1 out of 4 Black men between the age of 20-35 are involved in the criminal justice system for various reasons. Black men 40-55 have a high percentage of divorce which also contributes to the decline in the family structure.

White men between the ages of 20-35 are in trouble too. For example Whites are having fewer babies and drug abuse among this group is increasing dramatically (meth, crank, heroin, etc.). Fewer White men are graduating from college and pursuing advance degrees. White men 40-50 are losing their wealth (2nd homes, cars, stock/bonds, etc.) and are finging it difficult to find jobs just like everybody else, due to the economy.

Keeping It Real

October 5th, 2011
8:52 am

Men have been in trouble since Adam got hoodwinked by Eve. Most women are vicious, manipulative, and loose their mind when their bottom is knocked out. Most men are too dumb to seperate a piece of booty from love. Here is the one and only rule fellows: Hit the booty and keep it moving. Don’t present the woman to your mother if she just have to have a pair of skinny jeans.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
8:53 am

Yes!!!- Are you saying that all of that was “forced upon you” did you do good enough in school to earn a scholarship? Are you dating a woman that you have to take care of her kid? I understand that the economy sucks, but my problem is the attitude that everything is someone else’s fault. If you got in over your head, then dig your self out.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
8:54 am

Great post Yes!!! You are paying what you owe and putting pride aside.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
8:59 am

The biggest indication of a loser or not a man is someone who cannot pay what thye owe or take care of their family. There are of course extrenuous circumstances but most people who file bankruptcy file it cause they did somehting stupid or they didnt work hard enough and gave up.

Real men exhaust all avenues before not paying what thye owe.

MsMarriedUp

October 5th, 2011
9:00 am

Strong men are almost always either nurtured, or supported by STRONG WOMEN!!!
We NEED each other.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
9:04 am

If you are a man that is 25+ years of age and are still sponging off of someone else, you should not date, nor be in a situation to get yourself in deeper trouble take care of your own stuff, it’s no one else’s problem but your own, yes there are some situations where that is alright, but not as much as people think, or make excuses for, get to a point where you are not a drag on the other person.

1stcav

October 5th, 2011
9:04 am

To find out why men may not be stepping up to the plate, just watch made for TV movies and movies at a movie theater. White men are made to look stupid, inept and clueless. They are portrayed as useless to the smarter woman, boss or child. It’s no wonder that some young women think of men this way. Granted we don’t have to be that way in real life but we are portrayed that way in film.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
9:07 am

Good morning.

Are men in trouble? Yes. Only because women are no longer willing to tolerate a lot of what some men continously dish out to them. More and more men want the woman to pursue them, want the woman to be independent but not too much once they get into an actual relationship. A lot of men are no longer willing to put time, effort, patience into a relationship simply because the pond is fresh with new fish everyday. The cultivation of a relationship has been falling by the wayside for some time now. A sense of entitlement is the downside for both men and women. A woman wants a man to take control, take care of the family and be the provider with her at his side assisting anyway she can. What a woman doesn’t want is to wear the pants and dictate what needs to be done.

It seems like the present generation of young men may close down the institution of marriage. We shall see. We’re living in a bubble where instant grativation is the key and hard work and monogamy is in the distance. It’s there, but so hard to grasp.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
9:13 am

I do however think women should choose more carefully, if a guy has done nothing with his life and shows no signs of ever doing anything, why start a relationship with him if you can tell he is obviously going no where, and has no ambition to.

Paul

October 5th, 2011
9:18 am

Oh the stories I could tell. I have met many males who will never make the cut and women who adore them for their “feminine side”, sensitiveness to the point of nausea, etc. My question: where are the women who appreciate intelligent, “manly” men (use your own definition for that) when they meet them. I have been condemned for hunting and fishing, working out, being former military, etc. ad infinitum, having too many degrees; (yep, actually caught flak for “being more educated than particular women I have dated”, even knowing answers to difficult questions). Had one “friend” refuse a necklace for a Christmas gift with the remark, “oh, I already have a bunch of those.” Go figure!!!

Yes!!!!

October 5th, 2011
9:19 am

CmonSeriously,

No it wasn’t forced upon me, School will be a great decision in life (especially long-term), but I had to make a rational and generally painful decision and swallow my pride and recently made the decision to move back in with my parents. I never dated a women with kids, but I have had plenty of (single) Mother friends that I did do some questionable spending with (in the past) for their kids that I had known since or almost known since birth that I had gotten attached to, I refuse to ( or do not mean to sound like) I’m making any excuses …life is all what you make it and just like with several people, I will have to carry the burden that loans and everything that life brings to the table, it’s life! I would tell anyone, no matter what that they sould continue to do good deeds, make sacrifices and it will pay off eventually in the future.

D

October 5th, 2011
9:20 am

It goes both ways. Same thing about women.

ATL

October 5th, 2011
9:20 am

We need to look at the whole picture. Parents need to stop up holding there BOYS…….and teach them to be MEN. I know so many mamas who always take up for there sons, and blame there wives & girl friend for a fail relationship. Men please move out of your parents house and make it on your own. I know some women are hard to deal with, But some ladies will accept a man better if she sees he trying to be a man. Ladies we need to help our Men instead of always putting them down, learn to work with your spouse or boy friend to build a better relationship. But always pray for your relationship day by day.

Vantari

October 5th, 2011
9:21 am

I blame the misuse of TV by most households since the 80’s. Our kids were babysat by the set, watching dysfunctional families such as the Simpson’s, Family guy, and other similar trash. To us parents, they were simply cartoons, but to them, they were role models. No wonder the girls today are like little Lisa Simpson, attractive, over achievers and smarter than everyone else in the family, the boys imitate Bart, the lazy insolent foulmouth, and the parents, well… to the kids, they are relegated to being like that schmuck Homer and his wacky old lady, Marge.

Islander

October 5th, 2011
9:22 am

Cmon Seriously your last post hits the nail on the head about my thoughts. I agree more men need to step up to the plate but women are not innocent on this issue either. I have known too many women who will only date loser guys that treats them like crap and even have a child with them only to stay with that guy or find another one like him. If a hard working strong man comes along she throws him to the curb for the loser. Could it be that many decent guys are turning into losers because that is what some women want? I think the issue here is that we have a problem in society, not just a man or woman problem.

James

October 5th, 2011
9:23 am

Relationships are 50-50 propositions. If men are in trouble than so are women. Its clear that the growing social acceptance of women engaging in hypergamy either with or without baby Daddies being active in their children’s life. No fault divorce on top of the traditional Mom gets custody of her children leave women with all the cards in a long term relationship. So yes relationships are in trouble. There are times I wish I was less mature because being mature means getting kicked.

Deeva4Life

October 5th, 2011
9:27 am

^ *Dan* on that 8:46 post. Good look sir! :wink:

Hilarious

October 5th, 2011
9:31 am

Are MEN in trouble?

Well, no. If men are supposedly immature, selfish and lazy, then WOMEN are in trouble.

If men aren’t immature, selfish and lazy, then WOMEN are still in trouble.

Terrible article name. Spend more time thinking it through next time. Or get a better editor.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
9:32 am

Morning morning morning :)

Battle of the sexes in full swing I see.

No comments on today’s topic…not yet anyway.

Dan 8:46…spot on!

MrsNewy

October 5th, 2011
9:34 am

American Male…

Ok here is the flipside. I hear what you are saying but most women who initiate divorces do so because of something the man has done or better yet is not doing. I have a loving and supportive husband. We both take on half of the burden of the household which includes the cooking, cleaning, laundry and finances. I learned how to have a successful marriage by watching others who threw in the towel.

Some of the reasons I have seen women walk away :

1) who wants someone who has no forward vision. If one party is always striving to do better and be better, he/she will only stay with dead weight for so long.

2) Lack of trust and communication. He/she has stepped out on the marriage and justify it with a “well _______ made me feel ____________ and you _________” Instead of talking to the partner about the short end of the stick he/she feels they are getting, they find someone to placate their shortcomings. You can’t be with someone you no longer trust. You will forever look over your shoulder wondering if the other shoe.

3) Some women marry men expecting he will change. They hope that marriage will make that man (for lack of a better word) grow up and be a man instead of waiting for him to grow up FIRST. When a person shows you who they are believe them. You can’t make anyone be anything they don’t want to be. A ring doesn’t make him a man just like standing in a garage doesn’t make you a car.

Safensound

October 5th, 2011
9:34 am

Dan,

I couldn’t agree more with your post! Truthfully put.

Yes!!!!

October 5th, 2011
9:35 am

Also ComSeriously,

Hope I don’t seem like I’m trying to start some big argument on here, my apologies if that seems like the case. There are a few points I forgot to answer or mention.

1) I’m a Black Male,not trying to make this one of those types of issues but with the current state of the (black) male, I think it is imperative to mention this…

2) I’m 29 years old, no record, not even a simple misdemeanor, it seems like every male in today’s society glorfies being lock-up at least once, even if it was just for one overnight stay.

3) College Grad, no, this isn’t really saying much in today’s society.

4) Have over a ten year work history, with some volunteer work as well

5) Full-Time Job

6) Not a big video gamer fan

7) Pay majority of bills in the household

Hope I’m not sounding full of myself.. I promise I’m not trying to brag, because basicially it all comes down the fact that I am indeed at home, not because I wouldn’t be able to make it on my own but I am saving just enough while staying in a household in which the house is almost paid off and it’s under someone else’s name that has (currently) much better credit than my own. I will dig myself out of student debt, just had to be rational about the current situation.

Hilarious

October 5th, 2011
9:41 am

Hey Yes!

You’re defending yourself to a stranger who is making baseless, idiotic arguments based on some pre-conceived notions of what you as a male should or shouldn’t be doing, regardless of the circumstances.

Arguing with idiots only wastes your time.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
9:41 am

Respect that you are not being a drag on society YES!!! I am proud that you are a graduate, that is more than most people, I am glad you are not a video gamer, those guys that lay around all day and do nothing are the biggest problem, yes, you may be one of those people that genuinely is an example that should be followed, so I will leave it up to you and this blog to decide under what circumstances is it alright to be a grown man and still live with your parents.

zorro

October 5th, 2011
9:44 am

It figures AJC would come up with an article like this, working in security over at that “LIBERAL BASTION” they call COX, I saw the way males where treated over there, I remember one year christmas 2002, they wanted all security to wear reindeer antlers on their heads, which were mostly males, one guy threatend to quit that day, and if they had made me do that i would have been right behind him. After i saw that, i knew why this newspaper was in trouble, thank god for the Wall Street Journal.

MiltonMan

October 5th, 2011
9:46 am

It is society today that is in trouble not just men. Women are insulted today when you open a door for them or address them as mam. When businesses are more intersted in hiring women and/or minorities who pays the price – men.

When society rewards women by having children without a father around what do you expect? Also go to any divorce proceeding in this state & men are treated as second-class citizens.

Tom

October 5th, 2011
9:49 am

As a married man, I’ve learned more about how to be a man than I ever did as a single guy. I did some horrible things while I was single and I can see why women are single. Us guys we are horrible.

As a man, I see so many men who are “pretty” Zac Efron types who won’t get out there and get tough. Get out and do some tough work, don’t just sit behind a desk!!! Then you have guys who total jerks by trying to be Mr. Tough guy who cuss all the time and spit. Spitting, cussing, farting, sleeping with girls, going to strip clubs, and looking at porn DOESN’T MAKE YOU A MAN. On the other hand, the behavior of young women is not excused. There are a ton of women out there who do not act lady like at all by dressing in certain manners.

After seeing the movie Courageous, it is on us as men to lead our families the way God has commanded us. It begins at home. I hate to see families like the Kardashians b/c they think its all about the woman. For them it is. Its a failure on the man’s part to not establish the rules from the start.

For example, look at the wedding industry. “It’s all about the bride” mentality. No wonder there is a feeling that the woman runs the show. The bride is given this philosophy that she can have everything she wants. THAT IS WRONG. It says in God’s word that marriage is about TWO people. The MAN and the WOMAN. On the wedding day, a man and woman go before God and say vows.

Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ will crush the heads of the perverted New World Order integrationist crowd and their devilish black minions

October 5th, 2011
9:49 am

It seems quite apparent to me that if the United States is to change, “change we can believe in,” men must be systematically attacked and diminished in every area of people activity i.e. economics, education, entertainment, labor, law, politics, religion, sex, and war.

Afterwards, subversives under the banner of the New World Order will be at liberty to brainwash or educate the women and children under the guise of social advancement, intelligence, or progressiveness. Trust me. Non-thinkers, 95% of the population, are incapable of deciphering what is taking place. They will fall for the scheme hook, line, and sinker.

As Dr. Stanley Monteith of http://www.radioliberty.com would say, “Americans must understand that this is a spiritual war being waged on an economic, social, cultural, ideological, and political battlefield.”

American women should not be deceived. As in all wars waged throughout history, once the men have been diminished or conquered, alas, the victors are at liberty to do whatever they will with the women and children.

Amen?

common sense

October 5th, 2011
9:51 am

Women’s groups and Main Stream Media have spent the better part of the last 50 years denigrating and feminizing men. The government has spent the better part of the last 50 years making men irrelevant. The legal system has skewed on the side of women and children … against men. Religions that encourage male leadership are ridiculed and vilified. Racially, the white male is demonized, and the black male is stereotyped (by all of society, including black society).

In short, men have been systematically robbed of everything that makes them male. Are men in trouble? Is this a serious question?

disco

October 5th, 2011
9:57 am

has anyone read “is marriage for white people” by ralph richard banks? he touches on some issues that could be taken to indicate that men are indeed in trouble.

My 2.5 Cents

October 5th, 2011
9:58 am

Are men in trouble because modern women think less of us than their mothers and grandmothers? Maybe, but I wouldn’t hold my breath.

Bennett says industriousness, marriage and religion are the foundations for manhood. One point I want to discuss is, if women are so highly industrious and able without being married (because they aren’t marrying each other, in great numbers at least), then why can’t men be the same?

KJR

October 5th, 2011
9:58 am

Here’s the problem: Generalization: We have to stop that, cause each man and women is different and uniquely made. I do believe a majority of men have fell down on the job, by believing the lie that women lead society, in actuality, it’s us. We lead society, they want to do everything we do, whether it be dumb or smart, it seems lately that most of things we are doing are dumb. If look at the biblical view and the fall of man(adam and eve story) Adam got way more punishment then Eve, it was not even close and sin entered the world once he ate, not her. They’ve developed medical technologies to help her with punishment, nothing for ours. But at the key of this thing is selfishness, and a lack of accepting responsibility for the reward you are pursuing. Guys want to have all the sex in the world, but cry about child support payments and stds. Women want to be sexually available, but cry about being labeled a promiscuous girl. We have to grow up and stop acting like children, you serve the choice you make, but in all honesty it starts with men. Guys we have stop believing lie and become the romantic warrior God intended for you to be.

Figment

October 5th, 2011
9:59 am

Because all video gamers are lazy people who do nothing but play video games and lounge on the couch? *eyeroll* Granted, some do this, but not all. Just like not all video gamers are males.

You can be a grownup and still enjoy video games and the like. Mind you there are some people who cannot handle playing video games and let it consume their life.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
10:00 am

“Women are insulted today when you open a door for them or address them as mam.”- why does this ALWAYS come up when we talk about men and women. I have never, ever witnessed a woman mean mugging a man because he opened the door for her.

MrsNewy

October 5th, 2011
10:01 am

@ Leggs…to justify why they don’t do it. *smh* I have never seen it either and personally I like it when hubby opens the door.

Button

October 5th, 2011
10:02 am

Based on this article it’s just not in the AA/Black community!? who’d thunk that! based on all the media hype black woman will never marry.

I heard that piece on 99.7 this morning. Didn’t get to hear much feedback, I half way heard about the finance who plays video game quite regularly and she was ok with it….not sure how the conversation ended.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
10:03 am

@Figment ~ was listening to The Bert Show and they’re discussing the same topic that’s presented here. One man called in saying that being a video gamer does not take away from being a man if it’s done AFTER he does what needs to be done for the survival of his family/marriage. He says he plays his games after his family is asleep for a couple of hours. That’s his quiet time for himself.

My 2.5 Cents

October 5th, 2011
10:03 am

@Leggs: I wouldn’t go as far as mean mugging, but it’s not accepted well. And we don’t do it for our own kicks, it’s for women…so the least a woman could do is smile and say thank you.

Chris

October 5th, 2011
10:05 am

Women can’t raise boys to be men. If you need evidence go to Lenox and Perimeter mall and look at the “males” teenage and older walking around. Boys need FATHERS to be Men. Women need to make better choices in men and date a real man (if they even know what that is) and stop trying to indulge their girlish fantasies with thugs or want a metro-sexual guy that will go to the nail shop with them. Society in general has pushed the female more than male qualities. Men being men and aggressive, leaders and action oriented is looked down on. Men need a revolution to be who we are and if women dont like it then so be it. Some men need to stop doing anything to have a woman and becoming punks to have a wOman

Button

October 5th, 2011
10:06 am

IMO I think we as women (well some of us) give men excuse to be slackers. If we wearing the I can do it all/don’t need you/I got this etc attitude on our sleeves then what do we expect? Some people are not brought up in a traditional household setting. Most women are told from a young age to fend for themselves, not to depend on a man for nothing, while the boys are left with little to no guidence on that level well except for learning sports.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
10:07 am

I love it when a man opens a door for me. It’s an intangible testament of simply respecting the position of women and the man being mannerable. Chivalry is what it’s called! Back in the day a man would simply tip his hat at a passing woman. It’s a form of appreciating the species. That’s my take.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
10:09 am

Morning All!

When I saw the topic, I knew we’d get a bunch of “well women do it too” whining like a bunch of 3rd graders. At least the 3rd graders have an excuse – they are 3rd graders!

I’ll be back to talk to grown ups!

Leggs/Button – Did you hear on the Bert Show yesterday The Wussification of America topic? How this generation can’t deal with the cold realities of the real world because they are being coddled? Everyone is afraid of being tough and hurting these kids feelings? That some schools have even done away with the Honor Roll because they don’t want the other kids that didn’t make it feel bad?

We’re raising a bunch of wimps, what do we expect!!!

lucinda

October 5th, 2011
10:10 am

Men ARE in trouble, yes. Used to be married to one who thought that since I have a career, he could kick back and contribute no income to the family. This without any discussion or input from me. Thus, I carried a career, bulk of child care, and everything else. Yes, he cut the grass and the yard always looked great. Yes, he could cook. But, with me doing 90% and he doing 10%, what did THAT teach our children about a man’s role?? YES, I initiated the divorce. And YES, I do not for a single minute regreat having done so. SO, man up men.

Robert

October 5th, 2011
10:10 am

“Just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. ”

Immaturity is a big problem. For example I know young men (20-35) who can play video games all day, but can not go outside and play “real basketball’ or run a mile because they are out of shape and live in a fantasy world. That is a fact. It is a shame a “old school” guy like me is in better shape than most younger men.

My 2.5 Cents

October 5th, 2011
10:11 am

Leggs, I agree with your thoughts wholeheartedly. As someone who practices it, chivalry still goes a long way with some. It’s these manly women out here messing up things for the ladies that still exist among us, LOL.

lucinda

October 5th, 2011
10:11 am

@kimmie

and how about Kindergarten “graduations”? Are you kidding me?? That’s a bare minimum, not something you ‘graduate’ from!! Stikcers and “awards” for doing basic stuff?? Paying kids for doing house chores? All that = coddled, wussified, babies.

My 2.5 Cents

October 5th, 2011
10:13 am

@Lucinda, sorry to read that you valued your ex-husband’s contributions less than your own. For richer or poorer, better or worse, right?

Sandra

October 5th, 2011
10:14 am

@Paul

Call me. I’ll be happy to clean your catch. I’ll match my degrees against yours any day. I’ll meet you at the gym. I’ll attend military functions with you. And I’ll NEVER refuse a Christmas gift.

You’ve been dating the wrong women.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
10:14 am

lucinda – Yep, that’s the problem. Everyone wants a reward for doing what they are SUPPOSED to be doing!!

Chris

October 5th, 2011
10:14 am

I am out in the world on my own. Well me and God. I’ve run across many women living at home or have 3 roomates to keep up their single and fabulous lifestyle of clothes, clubbing, drinking and traveling. Some are there cause of the economy which from a make perspective is understandable. Are women in trouble. It seems most aren’t wife material. All they want is a life of ease, comfort and pleasure. Not really looking for a man to work through life with and build with. Use him to indulge their wants and spend most if his cheese on hollow pursuits. Where are the women with any vision past the next meal?

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
10:14 am

Parents need to lay down the law early, bring back the paddle, like I had when I was a kid, you screw up, you get embarassed by having your butt beat by a teacher/parent

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
10:15 am

@My 2.5 ~ that’s all a woman should do is smile and say thank you. If I’m ever privy to this, I may just go up to the woman afterwards and ask why she was offended by his actions. I’ll probably be feeble and gray before I witness this, but I will ask.

Ricardo Cabeza

October 5th, 2011
10:17 am

I will only speak for myself when I say that my father taught me how to treat a woman, hold a job, pay my own way in life, respect others who have earned respect, and ignore those who have not. As a result I have been married to the same woman for 29 years, retired financially sound form a 30 year career, and helped my wife raise two wonderful children who are now educated, productive adults. Am I the exception to the rule in 2011? Perhaps. Thanks Dad! Rest in peace.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
10:17 am

Is it immature for a man to take mental pictures of hot girls for one’s “spank bank”?

Button

October 5th, 2011
10:17 am

Kimmie I heard snippets of it, I think Bert said something about it this morning. I’m all in favor of rewarding kids for doing an excellent job, why should a kid have to dumb down to fit in?

My 2.5 Cents

October 5th, 2011
10:19 am

@Leggs: as someone who opens doors for ALL women within 10 steps of one, I’ve experienced a less-than-thank-you response or two (I never said offended). Who knows where that comes from…she might’ve had sh!t on her mind. But let’s agree to disagree on the idea that it doesn’t happen.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
10:20 am

Thank you kimmie. I heard the word this morning, but couldn’t make out what he was saying “wussificiation.” Got it…thanks. I was listening.

“@Lucinda, sorry to read that you valued your ex-husband’s contributions less than your own. For richer or poorer, better or worse, right?” – My 2.5, she’s not saying any of that. She’s saying that does not make a marriage. For richer or for pooer, for better or worse, right? NOPE. Not if that’s all he’s doing and is “content” with the survival of the family of the shoulders of his wife why he rests after cutting that grass, or cooking that dinner. If those are his contributions, then he’s not honoring the vows either! Marriage takes the actions of both for it to succeed. To simply “exist” while married is not a good thing. Sounds like he was “existing” under her apron strings!

Figment

October 5th, 2011
10:21 am

@Leggs – exactly! Video games are an activity, not a lifestyle. I enjoy playing video games myself but I will not let them consume my life. I play only when I have some downtime and nothing else pressing to do.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
10:24 am

Button – They actually played a clip of an interview with this 11 year old that played football. The coach benched him because he was TOO GOOD! He scored so many touchdowns that parents from other teams didn’t want him playing because it made their kids feel bad. Are you kidding me? And poor thing, not only was he a good player, he was a good person and student too. He said he didn’t understand why they were not letting him play, but he put God first, then grades, then football. He was a bigger person at 11 than most of the adults around him!

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
10:24 am

KJR – Adam was commanded to not eat from the forbidden fruit, not Eve. He should have had a better hand over Eve. Both was punished and banned from the garden. Adam was told rather than eat and live from the garden that God tended to, he would then have to earn his living by the sweat of his brow. Translation…no more freebies. Eve was told she would experience pain when having babies. However in the New Testament it is given to the woman that if she raises them in the fear of the Lord all that pain wasn’t for nothing.

I tell you, ya’ll are whining something awful today. No person (i.e. woman), govermnent or entity can emasculate a man unless he allow.

abc

October 5th, 2011
10:24 am

I definitely think that 20-something people in general are far less mature than when I was their age. It’s a cultural sign of the times: far more 20-somethings married young and started families then than now. Back then, marrying and having a child equalled instant responsibility; now, having a child without benefit of marriage equals the man running for the hills, and the woman having the difficult or impossible task of raising the child properly. Cycle once, cycle twice, the problem just gets worse and worse as responsible role models disappear from our society’s landscape.

So yeah, I can see it in younger men, yep.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
10:25 am

@My 2.5 ~ no need to agree to disagree because not once did I say it doesn’t happen. I said “I” never witnessed it.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
10:27 am

I just don’t see where a woman not thanking a dude for opening her door has anything to do with men not manning up! So it’s some chicks out there with bad manners, big deal! What does that have to do with a man being a man? Quit making excuses and be accountable for yourself!

My 2.5 Cents

October 5th, 2011
10:27 am

@Leggs: we don’t know what he was or wasn’t doing other than what was mentioned. Honoring the vows and satisfying the spouse are separate discussions. But Lucinda said something in another post that I appreciate and have always lived by…never expect credit for what you’re supposed to do. I think living that way has earned me some advantages in life, and that’s a lesson some of my peers could embrace.

My 2.5 Cents

October 5th, 2011
10:28 am

@Leggs: cool, just so all hearts and minds are clear, lol.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
10:31 am

Is it immature to do the rodeo?

You know when you and a girl are having relations kind of like dogs or “doggies” and you have your friends jump out from hiding and yell suprise and you see how long you can stay on that bucking bronco?

Is that immature?

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
10:32 am

And spending your time dumping a woman because she won’t give up on the first date or first three dates is truly a sign of immaturity. Women feeling pressured to get it done…because he said so, or as we hear often somebody will get it done is outrageous. I was just telling my kid this morning, the mentality of men (boys for her) has changed so much so over the years but I told her is nature will be with him until he dies….God gave it to him when he created man. My point to her was it’s in here to be the lead, the man, the head. I told her step aside for what the masses are doing. If he’s pressuring her to conform to what all other girls are doing, he’s no good for her. I told her there’s a depth to the male species that her little girlie eyes can’t see and a boy/dude/man that don’t want nothing but nothing will be the first to present an empty box all neatly wrapped. I told her being whimsical and lightheaded will only cause for consequences. I told her to not fool herself, she can be as much of a lady as she want to be and never let the pressure and threat of how everybody else is doing it get to her. I told her I’ll bet my life if she carries herself like a lady that behavior can only return doubled. That no matter what they whisper because they’re coming, to get and keeping her groundings underneath her. He wants to leave because you want to move in the right way, pace and take the right path…so be it. I told her always be willing to step aside from something that’s going to cause her detriment. And yes, she’s going on 17…I was talking about boys. That’s their world at age, these days. Gotta take it to where it is with our youth.

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
10:32 am

Boy there is a bunch of BS being posted, but once again people are entitled to their opinion.

Men are not in trouble, real men are being real men and will continue to be real men and a real woman will recognize a real man. Boys attract girls, girls are drawn to boys. A man attracts a woman and a woman is drawn to a man. Every male is not a man some are boys and every female is not a woman some are girls. Call me when we are off topic.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
10:33 am

I’m a man!….I’m and ANCHORMAN!

Jeff

October 5th, 2011
10:33 am

I’ll even go so far as to submit that with the increasing rise of no men in the house, boys are raised to act for the approval of the woman, and not to actually be a man. So when they grow up, they are constantly seeking the approval of women, even to their own demise.

Look at the influences in a boys life when the father is not there: females in the home, females as teachers, poor male images on TV, etc.

A woman cannot define what it takes to be a man any more than a white person can define what it takes to be black.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
10:34 am

Leggs – I get so tired of the “women need to choose better” mantra too. Then in the next breathe, we are being too picky and overlook certain guys and won’t give them a “chance”.

When they fall short, then it’s “well you should have chosen better”.

Sounds to me like a lot of men need to “choose better” too.

Oklahomas State head Coach

October 5th, 2011
10:34 am

I’M A MAN!!!! I’M 40!!!!

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
10:35 am

Purp – I was thinking the same thing.

In fact, I’ve been listening to Too Short and patiently waiting…

What’s my favorite word? … Blow the whistle.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
10:36 am

@Celisea ~ and that is the bottom line. A man cannot be emasculated. If you think the woman wears the pants in the relationship, perhaps you should adjust your thinking because you’ve sewn the pants for her to wear them!

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
10:37 am

And really when I talk to my kid about boys, surprisingly..well not really…that’s the same behavior you see in men today. Temper tantrums, immaturity, blaming, blah blah blah. Yes, women have areas where we’re to blame but I don’t believe so much where we place blame…cooking,cleaning etc. Women with no standards, accepting half of a man, enabling half azzedness…no challenges (and no not hopping through hoops). Not being aware that a good good man makes it just that much better for her.

Yes both sides are to blame. Too much emphasis on petty asinine issues.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
10:38 am

Purple – Your 10:32 – cosign. I thought of you when I saw this topic and you said exactly what I thought you would say. You got no trouble being a man.

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
10:38 am

And to “JUST WOW” who posted yesterday evening that they thought that “Ron Burgandy” was an alias of mine…you are mistaken. I don’t hide when I post and if I do decide to change my name it always contains the word “purple” or “carlito” except for the one time the I went by “Inspector Gadget” and I said on that same day that I was inpsector gadget. So get a life and why don’t you post under your real name.,..PUNK!

HST

October 5th, 2011
10:39 am

I am not sure why the degradation of a man has to be related to god, marriage and work. Is it because women want men to take care of them. Without those virtues are men less than others who does value such entities? Maybe young men aren’t “growing up” because of women and their value they see young men as. Who would want to “grow up” to take care of a woman to have her take half if she decides she wants out. I think women are putting pressure on these young men to do the ideal thing when they don’t live ideally themselves.

If marriage, religion and work are what a young man has to look forward to to be with a woman then there’s gonna be a lot of gay and asexual men. Those virtues are a long lost value system in an ideal world that doesn’t exist anymore.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
10:39 am

Is it immature for a man to dress up blow dolls to look like ex girlfriends? Jus axing??

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
10:40 am

Leggs – All this dang whining of what women won’t do or let men do. Say what? How does a woman not let you be something you was born with, in, to, from??? You ain’t got balls? You gave them away.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
10:41 am

@My 2.5 – you’re absolutely right. We only know what she mentioned.

JK

October 5th, 2011
10:41 am

I think it is simple in this respect…define “maturity”. It has a different meaning to men than it does to women. Does a man want to change into the female definition in order to satisfy her or is the man better off single. More and more I think men are chosing the latter.

My 2.5 Cents

October 5th, 2011
10:42 am

Waiting for off topic discussion…

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
10:43 am

GET A JOB, GET OFF THE COUCH, STOP SPONGING OFF OF OTHER PEOPLE. You do those things and you will see more men.

Musinglee

October 5th, 2011
10:43 am

Maybe there are too many men being taught to be men by women. Young men need more men teaching them to be men. Both men and women are to blame for that.

DmdJoe

October 5th, 2011
10:44 am

Blame it on the Feminist movement.

Women do not understand what it is to be a woman in this culture &

Men do not know what a Man should be any more…. That Simple…..

Sleazy Man

October 5th, 2011
10:46 am

Just because I smoke dope, pop pills, have sleazy tatts on my body, would not work in a pie factory, have a slimey mouthsmoke,,etc,etc is no reason for a respectable woman to not like me. Oh, by the way, some of the women I have dated have the same attributes as me so guess that should make em love me,lol.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
10:46 am

Exactly, Celisea. My stance is and always will be….I didn’t take your manhood away from you, you gave it to me on a silver platter. My ex used to tell me this and this was my only response while I walked away. No way on God’s green Earth will a man ever convince me that I took his manhood away from him. Sheet, it shouldn’t even be discussed…be a man and do what you’re supposed to do as a man, and I will do what’s expected of me as a woman! If I’m carrying both of us and see no contribution from you, guess who’s going to be dropped on their head.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
10:46 am

Men who cry are immature. i mean what are we babires. Women are always telling us ot be more sensitive and yet thye want us to be mature too? You cannot have both!

HST

October 5th, 2011
10:46 am

Ron B, no it is not. My blow up is jealous because I had to get another to ride in the Pay lane for free. Is it weird I want to dress them up like twins?

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
10:47 am

Joe, I think that is BS, knowledge you can lose, this is INSTINCT!!!! Being slackers is just convient.

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
10:47 am

Sexy Cool and kimmie, I just don’t make or entertain excuses or reasons on “manhood” I know my son won’t have a problem being a man. I can see it in his eyes already, he watches my every move…even when I am just sitting there in deep thought. lol

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
10:49 am

Muslinglee – I agree. That’s why men should be selective when chosing partners and having sex. More often than not, after a child is produced THEEEEEN we discover we can’t deal with one another. And who’s the victim, the child. If I was a man, no way in Hades would a woman or the lack of relationship we have stop me from raising and being apart of my child’s life. No way.

I didn’t have a relationship with my kid’s dad during her smaller years because he was a bad influence (IMO). When I said no because he seemingly had no clue that you can’t do and say anything in front of kids, that you have to change your actions, rather than step it up and become a man, the man he opted to ALLOW me to remove him from the picture. Yes a woman has the right to protect her child’s influences but if that means you the dad, then step it up and change your actions. If she’s doing it out of spite knowing you’re a good man, that’s an easy one. You have nothing to fix, you move in and get it done.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
10:54 am

I will make this one comment about the topic. The majority of men AND women do not mature into the true definitions of their manhood or womanhood until they have reached a certain age. Can it be that we are expecting men and women who have not had enough life experience and learned to behave in a way that they are not yet prepared to do so?

If anything, I believe that it is a rarity for anyone under a certain age and without certain experiences to stand up and shoulder all of the responsibilities of ADULThood.

“When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things.”

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
10:55 am

I am very protective of my child…not over protective but protective. Yes, I catch case number any day. Protective so much so that I had to cut back, cut out and eliminate things I had going on.

We can be selfish people and I think that’s the crux of today’s topic. Everybody can’t have everything they want and if you don’t get it you move on. Where’s the middle ground, the compromise, the adjusting? No it’s for me, all about me, towards me and if not centered around me, I’m out. Yeah, wonder where we’ll be 10 years from now?

Off topic: EYE CANDY IS IN THE BUILDING :) I’m timing his next stroll. I was a stinker and took a stroll myself to get a poptart :mrgreen:

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
10:55 am

And more so than a rarity, I should have said that it is the exception rather than the rule.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
10:57 am

And yes men and women of tomorrow are in trouble. My generation have the groundings and roots of yesteryear. It’s tomorrow’s generation I think will suffer the most of men not being and becoming men and women not being or becoming women.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
10:58 am

Reaching 18 or 21 or whatever age that our society has predetermined that a person is LEGALLY an adult does not mean that the individual has grown and matured out of childhood or adolescence.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:00 am

Reaching 18 or 21 or whatever age that our society has predetermined that a person is LEGALLY an adult does not mean that the individual has grown and matured out of childhood or adolescence.

Exactly. I told my kid this morning to enjoy life and pace herself. I told get yourself there ahead of really being there and she’s going to have regrets. I told her enjoy the scenery, let it all soak in and learn…listen and learn. The tender ages of 18 and 21 don’t mean jack when it comes to experience and maturity. You just old enough to get yourself from a to z…what to do when you get there ain’t present yet.

Adam Lambert

October 5th, 2011
11:00 am

Quite frankly, a lot of you women try to treat men like a child. You THINK YOU KNOW what’s best for him. You think YOU know everything. So you feel like you have to “raise” him. It’s YOU, woman. Not him.

Stop your fussing, all your whining, complaining, and always pulling that “victim” card.

Ladies, start making SMART, WISE decisions about any guy you might EVEN THINK about dating. It’s your own bad choices that put you in your messes.

Michelle Obama turned Barack down when he first asked her out. It was much later after she saw something in him that she respected that she agreed to go out with him.

WAIT until you can respect a man before dating him. All some of you see is the nice car, the clothes, the money, or the buffed up bod. Or the smooth talk. Fools. Yes. Don’t be fools.

And have some seff-respect. Your fine big a.z.z. or all those hair extenssions don’t make you a real woman.

Adam (ignore the name) Lambert

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
11:02 am

SCool – Youth and lack of experience/guidance will always be a reason for mistakes made. I think we are talking about stuff that is much deeper than that.

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
11:02 am

Premature post bur u got the drift!

And then u have the single homes that breed some of these imbeciles and u expect them to grow up to be man.

Good luck!

As long as folks glorify the wrong things or look the other way yeah the men u raise(for lack of a better term) aren’t going to be men.

Punks,thugs and drug pushers!

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:05 am

Exiled – And then u have the single homes that breed some of these imbeciles and u expect them to grow up to be man.

And the breeding is done by who? The woman only? That’s what I’m saying. Dudes want to lay and leave sperm and THEN it’s a probably after the fact. Responsibility lays on both sides of the coin. Men always always always talking ass wanting ass breathing ass drinking ass. For all the ass getting, there’s going to be babies produced. That’s whay I said people are selfish. Gimme gimme gimme…all for what?

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
11:06 am

I picked up on the word “maturity” from the Wise’s post. (shrugs)

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:06 am

Problem not probably.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
11:07 am

“Ladies, start making SMART, WISE decisions about any guy you might EVEN THINK about dating. It’s your own bad choices that put you in your messes.”

Exactly. One is able to do this through maturity. Being true to yourself and throwing away all your color coated glasses will help you see the forest for the trees. Settling for less than what you desire should no longer be part of the equation. If you have to walk solo for a while, so be it. It will be worth it in the long run.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:07 am

But you cannot negate factoring in youth. A lot of youngsters hit the door of adulthood with the wrong ideas and concepts….all because that’s just what they’ve been doing. Young fools grow to be older fools. Older fools become old fools. Ain’t no fool like an old fool.

TMarie

October 5th, 2011
11:08 am

Yes!!!! I think that men are BIG trouble… The age group that I think is in trouble is 19-25 age. I have a 20 yrs. old son, and he has a lack of maturity within him. Who do I fault…. Me or him or both… I fault some of it on me. Being a single parent and raising him on my own. I thought that I taught him all the things that he needed to know but, felled him in some areas. And now that he is 20 yrs. old you can’t tell him or any other the young adults anything they think that they know it all.
He does have the hard working part down because he works seven days a week, and he been taking care of his personal bills, car ins, cell phone, and etc. since he was 16. So with that I give him ONE POINT.
But where he got the lack of disrespect toward women blows my mind. I did teach him the yes/no ma’am thing the yes/no sir thing, the thank you and you’re welcome, please and thank you thing as well. But for some reasons he just does not treat women with enough respect. Sometimes he seems to flip back to adolescence and then flips back to being grown. He has insecurity within himself so we as the leader and parent need to step-up and teach all of our son’s right from wrong and to be an honest hard working, Loving, caring, respectful of women. If not then this method will only make the young men of today continue to have problems and may find themselves all alone.
So with all that being said the too your question is unfortunately YES…..

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
11:08 am

There was a lot of ass in that post. (lmASSo)

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
11:09 am

More excuses, the only person you have to blame for not being a man or if you are treated like “boy” is yourself.

Once again I say men and women are not in trouble. Just make better decisions or hunt in different fields.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
11:11 am

A lot of folks in here are saying a woman can’t tell a man how to be a man.

Who are a lot of these excuse-making, blaming whining men in here who think they can tell a woman how to be a woman(example – Adam)

Leggs – A lot of men’s bad choices put them in the messes they are in too.

Call me an equal-opportunity blamer.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:11 am

Is it immature to take pictures of yourself nude and mail it to coworkers?

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
11:12 am

Who is at fault? Parents. Men should not be leaving sperm all over the place until they are ready to deal with the consequences and women should not be letting men leave sperm in them regularly without knowing what that man is made of. Put a condom on.

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
11:13 am

Breeding is done by folks who breed,abandon and go to jail,come back and do more sh-it and society glorifies it.(look at TI’s recent come back)

Wrong priorities allround!

(my earlier post did not post) that’s why it’s disjointed!

The Blame is allround.

The black community(a lot of it) in America takes jail and single motherhood very lightly!

Result is boys not raised by men!

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:14 am

And really, it’s not exclusive to keeping the panties up and pants zipped. i talk to my kid about being lazy and to not think for one second that someone is going to carry her. I tell her, I’m not going carry her or take care of her or expect her to expect someone to take care of her. I tell her she’s setting the path now for how her life will unfold and if it’s all bad decisions then there be consequences. I tell her I’ll be there to lean on me but I will not carry her nor her consequences for things she willing walked into or took on being disobedient.

I truly truly love her and want her to “get it.”

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:14 am

I agree exiled…people should not be having kids as much. Especially if they cannot even pay their bills. If you cannot pay for rent, ins and utilities why are you having kids/?

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:16 am

Put a condom on.

No….keep it to yourself. If you don’t want it or the possibility of creating it, be a man or woman and abstain from it. Don’t lay with men or women because it’s available. THAT’S maturity.

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
11:17 am

I think this problem is in America in general and not towards a specific race.

Hazel

October 5th, 2011
11:17 am

Its a cycle. Where both men and women need to change. Women keeping on chasing the idiots who are horrible fathers. Men need to keep off the women and stop having kids, because they will not take care of them. If BOTH men and women will not stop, then this will never end.

I personally believe in gender roles because of my background. I do not want to control my man, nor do I want to challenge his manhood. But I do want him to take the responsibility then, that of a MAN.

There are too many people chasing too many superficial things, and we are lost as a society. We generate our thoughts depending on what the tv dictates and what the “cool” people r doing.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:18 am

Let me just say this…there’s been times when I’ve wanted it. There’s been some that I could depend on for getting it. What I don’t want is the residual of it all so, I pass. Growing up and maturity exceeds “a good fix” on a good time. Maturity sometimes means if the “good times” going to create other scenes and scenarios, how about I avoid it altogether.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:19 am

People should either abstain or be smart about where they make their deposits. You cannot impregnate a girls face. Jes’ sayin’!

Elton John

October 5th, 2011
11:19 am

ITS THE CIRCLE OF LIFEEEEE!!!!!!

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
11:20 am

Celisea, but that is not reality. You are not going to get the majority of people to stop having sex so trying to get them to have safer sex is a more viable option.

Hazel

October 5th, 2011
11:21 am

@ Purple – I agree
@ Celisea – your 11:16 is very true.

I saw a bunch of kids getting kicked out of a sports store. I don’t blame them for being rowdy. I blame the society and how they being raised. And they will too, grow up to be men who do not care and will have kids that they will not take care of. It has to stop somewhere. And it would take, men and women to do so.

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
11:22 am

Celisea?

U grown! If u get ur fix at the holiday Inn and ur daughter foes not get a whiff of it,that’s good.

The problem with this society is tv throws puddy in our kids face and we key them watch it.

Look at BET,our so called,’our own’!

It’s debauchery,dumping down. Mine don’t watch it and they never grew on it.

Just saying.

If u want better,teach better!

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
11:22 am

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
11:23 am

We let them watch it
(typos)

Ron Mexico

October 5th, 2011
11:23 am

is it immature to give people herpes and check into a clinic as ROn Mexico?

Mike Vick

October 5th, 2011
11:24 am

is it immmature to electrocute dogs? How about drowning them?

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
11:25 am

Exiled but international tv markets are way more sexual than america’s tv market so “media” is not an excuse IMO

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
11:25 am

Cel/SCool – I’m not negating youth as a reason because youth will always be there as long as people have kids. That’s where parenting plays such an important role. You try to teach your kids to make the best decisions possible because a lot of people are paying today for poor decisions made in their youth.

But after awhile, youth cannot be used as an excuse. I hear of people talking about folks 30 & 35 years old, saying, “well he/she is young”! At a certain point, society expects you to be accountable, whether you are ready or not. You can’t pick & choose when you want to be a kid and when you want to be grown, when it’s convenient.

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
11:29 am

By international u refer to which ones PR?

and do those kids watch international or local.

In any case,my post is referring to the influences kids get. Whether international or local or their parents.

If u want kids to have a certain mindset,influence them. Make a strong impression on them,U the parent!

If u don’t or u non existent ,then the streets,tv or thugs on the streets Will!

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
11:30 am

kimmie – I understand your point. However, I am not of the belief that maturity is tied to age. Maturity is tied to experience. And THAT is tied to your ability to accept the responsibilities of being an ADULT.

I would say of a 35 year old making questionable decisions that they lack a certain maturity. Not that they are young.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
11:30 am

Amen Kimmie, grow up, get a job, move out, start a family, provide for them, give your parents grand kids. Is that not what we all heard growing up, that seems like a pretty simple concept.

Mike P

October 5th, 2011
11:30 am

Good Morning all,

Are MEN in trouble? NOPE!!!
Men, real men will always rise to the top, no matter what. If we see what we truly desire, nothing,save GOD himself, is gonna stop us from claiming it. We don’t need women to be Men. We’re Men whether in a relationship or not, We’re Men even when there aren’t women in our presence, we’re Men even if we’re surrounded by children (masquerading as adults). We’re Men even when its’ “un-cool, or unpopular to be the Man. Here me blog People!! “ain’t no woman, child, image magazines, or governmental public policy is gonna take my Man-hood (awesome power from GOD).

Are boys in trouble?
Yes, because boys need their fathers (men at the head of the family). Unfortunately many younger women today are choosing to have se xual relationships with boys or choosing single parenthood these days, adding to the problem.

Are little girls in trouble? Yes!
When they grow up as adults, they’re have to deal with even-more sissified boys in the future.

Are WOMEN in trouble? YES!!!
Well, Since they keeping saying they can’t find “good, decent” Men.

Is society at large in trouble?
Yes, since our society needed the family unit, since its not getting it, its coping poorly and will probably morph into something unrecognizable to us today.

Men need to choose better, stop chasing after women who only seeks to be with irresponsible boys.

Women need to choose better too, stop selecting irresponsible boys hoping you can change him into a real man by having his child(ren).

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
11:32 am

SCool – I see your point and agree.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
11:32 am

“Leggs – A lot of men’s bad choices put them in the messes they are in too”

Most definitely, most definitely.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:33 am

AMEN MIKE P. Until women stop haiving ftaherless kids we are doomed!

Yes!!!!

October 5th, 2011
11:34 am

There are some great posts on here, thanks for all the insights!!!

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
11:36 am

@MikeP ~ your post was making a lot of sense until you said YES for women being in trouble and NO for men. Again, “real” women are not in trouble and we don’t need a man to tell us how to be a Woman!

Mike P

October 5th, 2011
11:37 am

To quote someone on this blog everyone stop your fussing, all your whining, complaining, and always pulling that “victim” card. If you claim to be a real Man, then be a man with honor in all that you do. Don’t concern yourself too much with what others are doing, least of all, don’t complain about it.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:38 am

Purple/Exiled – It is reality. People shouldn’t whine and complain when consequences come and you’ve contributed to the problem. No people are not going to have sex. But rather than assuming folks won’t listen how about getting it said first. Most young people aren’t told or showed anything because we assume they won’t listen. They might not but if you tell them, THEN who’s fault is it. If you don’t give them the tools they need to navigate in life who’s fault is it there?

Let’s say (either of) you get a woman pregnant outside of your marriage? Who’s to blame? Yeah, that woman will get called all kinds of names…ho, homewrecker adultress so forth and so on. But being the adult and fully aware of certain outcomes, would you simply not opt to pass on a potential bomb? Seems to me that’s easier than sneaking, lying, producing…all because you just wanted to.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:41 am

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:43 am

Is it immature to ask girls if their carpet matches their drapes?

Mike P

October 5th, 2011
11:43 am

@Leggs: I was referring to the complainers, because as it has been stated here before, real women don’t have trouble finding real men, if they can’t find someone its because they’re not ready (recent breakup, etc.) You agreed on a previous post that women, real Women don’t complain about lack of available men, real Men.
addendum…
Real Men attracts Real Women
Real Women attracts Real Men.
Fake, half-azzed attracts fake, half-azzed.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:43 am

Mike P – We don’t need women to be Men.

I agree here. I agree with your entire post…I think :)

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:44 am

Your 11:30 post is what I’m agreeing with.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
11:44 am

“Until women stop haiving ftaherless kids we are doomed!” – most idiotic statement of the morning.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:44 am

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:45 am

Leggs….were unwed mothers forcd to have sex? I mean men are instinctive creautures. Our DNA tells us to spill our seed. its the womans responsibility to be level headed and wait until marriage or maybe just take a pill.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
11:45 am

Understood, MikeP.

OSHH

October 5th, 2011
11:46 am

@ Dan, your first comment@ 8:46 is the WHOLE TRUTH!

People confuse religion, with a personal relationship and intimacy and knowledge of GOD.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:47 am

Leggs – why is it idiotic to say women having fatherless kids is leading to our doom. I mean look at our country….its lead by a fatherless man!

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:47 am

No conciousness, no awareness, no selflessness, no Godliness…

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
11:48 am

#RB ~” were unwed mothers forcd to have sex?” Probably the case for some.

“men are instinctive creautures. Our DNA tells us to spill our seed’ – So, is your DNA saying that you are a spineless, irreponsible twit to spread your seed without a care about the offspring you may be producing. Heck, that’s probably why you’re sitting there with those 2 blowup dolls. You don’t need to procreate…

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
11:49 am

Leggs – Don’t do it…he’s been muted the entire morning. You just gave him sound.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:49 am

Leggs – leave Suzy and Savannah out of this!!!!!!

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
11:49 am

Guess what, all the children have fathers, but many do not have daddies!

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
11:49 am

I think there are a lot of people that don’t need to procreate, unfortunately those are the ones doing it more than anyone else.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
11:49 am

I know Celisea, I know!!! I’m done. Sheesh.

Tom

October 5th, 2011
11:50 am

Men behave badly, and so do women. Young people think they can go out and sleep with whoever and you are just “test driving the car” before you buy it. They are using sex as a tool to make themselves feel better. Physical looks are important, sure. But the best itimacy will come in marriage.

It comes back to personality and mindset.

I was in a cupcake shop getting a cupcake for my wife. There was a young girl behind me who was probably 20-something being very obnoxious. I thought to myself, “who would want to listen to that every day?”

Guys can be the same way.

Guys, you gotta stand up and act appropriately. GOOD women will find you.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
11:52 am

Tom you are right, but you still gotta put your self out there

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
11:54 am

Celisea, bad example. I did not get a woman pregnant until I was married. I said promote safe sex and protection because it’s a harder battle to get people to remain absitinent. I am speaking of adults not school age children. I don’t have random kids nor do I have kids outside of marriage so the way I figured is that I did it the right way and that was by practicing prevention.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
11:58 am

That is a big problem nowadays too, kids having kids, without ever learning to be men or women, kids being raised by grandparents, because the biological parents won’t do it.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
11:58 am

I think test should be given out to people before they are allowed to procreate.

Can you pay your rent? No
What percentage of your income is spent on cigs and lottloe tickets? 50%
Have you ever been arrested for trashing a MacDonalds? Yes
Do you smoke weed out of a coke can? Yes

FAIL!

GracieL

October 5th, 2011
12:00 pm

Many women are enabling the bad behavior because they don’t want to be alone. I see men in their 40s and 50s even who want/need a “mommy” to handle the grown up stuff in their lives because it’s too hard. I see women so desperate to couple up that they meet a man who’s down and whining after a divorce/job loss/rehab, etc., and jump right in there solving his problems for him. The result: these don’t even try to stand on their own to feet. Why should they? No, thanks.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
12:02 pm

Amen Ron
Do you not wear condoms because you assume she is always on birth control-Yes
Did you ever get out of the 6th grade-No
Do you enjoy “the jersey shore”-Yes

FAIL

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
12:02 pm

What is with all of the finger pointing and excuses/reasons. Just think before you act.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
12:03 pm

O/T ~ anybody see DWTS last night and saw Chubby Checker’s performance. Man those jeans were so tight he could barely move. Whoever let him come on stage with those jeans on should be fired.

And, they’re saying Nancy Grace pooted. I didn’t hear it (lol).

i'm swiss™

October 5th, 2011
12:03 pm

Howdy folks. Wish I could stick around, but I did want to make one quick comment:

“Most young people aren’t told or showed anything because we assume they won’t listen.”

C — I have to disagree here. I would say that kids in the U.S. are told to abstain more than kids anywhere else in the western world. We are the most religious of all the western world, and yet we still have the highest teen pregnancy rates among the western world. Seems clear that the “abstinence only” approach simply isn’t effective.

Clearly, we would all prefer that our kids abstain. But teaching them only that pre-marital sex is immoral or sinful, only serves to add a greater stigma to the act. Now, having pre-marital sex can be done very secretively. But having sex responsibly requires taking more visible steps — purchasing condoms, birth control pills, etc. The stigma we place on pre-marital sex doesn’t significantly decrease the likelihood of kids having sex. But it does decrease the likelihood that they will take the more visible, proactive steps to approach sex responsibly. And it certainly decreases the likelihood that kids will feel comfortable coming to their parents with questions.

I think we need to find a better way of communicating the benefits of abstinence without placing undue stigma on those who choose not to abstain. Because if they make the latter choice, we would at least like for them to feel secure enough to take steps to be as safe as possible.

But that’s just my $0.02.

Gotta run, but I’ll try to check back in later.

Tom

October 5th, 2011
12:05 pm

Its a generational progression.

A. Young girls can be taught 1 of 2 things. Either fend for yourself b/c men are dogs, or you don’t have to lift a finger b/c men will do everything. As I said before, look at the wedding industry. There are party favors with “Don’t look at me, I’m just the groom” printed on them. That tells me the groom is irrevelant and its all about what the woman wants. You are setting this girl up to get everything she wants. She’s not always going to get everything she wants. Money makes marriage great, don’t get me wrong. I wish I had more of it. But for most, marriage is hard work. You really have to be in it.

B. Men are bad b/c they didn’t have a father in the home or had a BAD father. My father didn’t work for years, hit my mom and sister, and didn’t teach me a damn thing. So yeah, I was basically learning on my own. I made a ton of mistakes which I feel terrible about. But it is b/c of Jesus Christ I am the man I am today.

C. Women aren’t off the hook either. Women have to act appropriately too. Going out to clubs, dressing like hooters girls, and wanting to go shopping every day is very unattractive. I can’t stand to see women smoke. Why do you do it ladies? I can’t stand it when girls hate being mistreated by jerks, but will be so mean to a nice guy.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
12:08 pm

Purple – I am speaking of adults not school age children.

It’s not a bad example. Maybe you should think outside of your perfect little world. You have a kid and one on the way and surely you would be mindful that they won’t live in a bubble. Children of today are the adults of tomorrow. And yes, your (mine, theirs, ours) actions affects everyone around us. And humanly you should be able to look around and see the state of things. I have a kid and outside of marriage and I did it right too because I laid none of my responsibility to anyone else’s charge. Not my mama, not her daddy, not the grands not the government. I did what I should have done and no different than anyone married or not that’s acting responsibly are doing.

Tom

October 5th, 2011
12:08 pm

Guys-don’t go to strip clubs or look at porn, its really disgusting. The women are adultresses and don’t have the first clue how to live like a normal human being. Don’t just look at girl for your next lay, you never know who she might be.

Guys-Open a door for a woman, compliment her. Women-be appreciative of the gestures. Don’t automatically assume the guy is trying to get laid.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
12:16 pm

Swiss – We agree to disagree. To tell a kid “don’t have sex” won’t stop a train let alone a kid in the heat of raging hormones. When I speak I’m talking getting in the trenches and yelling or screaming it over nature. I’m talking not placing our kids in harms way. Meaning, my kid wants to stay after school. For what? To hang around with her boyfriend? Yes!!! Now if I know kids hang around only leads to all sorts of trouble…why would I do that? Why would I allow her to place herself in harms way when I have the oversight to see what’s further down the road? She’s living in the moment like any other young person. Raising kids and teaching kids is not accomplished in one word. You have to be there, present, in the know. And when they now you’re watching them as much as they’re watching you that will cut back on half the devilment they could do if you’re NOT watching. Now, I know they can get anything done if they’re determined and that’s okay once you fully understand the consequences of your actions and that it’s on you and that I’m serious as a heart attack when I say you’ll carry your own consequences. A parent or caring adult knows you can’t just say it and walk away. You have to stay with them and raise them until they’re able to stand on their own. Until it resonates that their actions will definitely meet them later down the road. Until they’re believers of what you’re teaching. Heck I thought I knew everything too. I too believe my mama until what he said sounded better. But what my mama said ALWAYS seemed to be that one voice I could not get away from.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
12:16 pm

Tom, I agree with everything post before last, and sorry man, asking a guy to not look at porn that is not getting any is most of the time not gonna happen, strip clubs are not there so you can get any either, that is fantasy.

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
12:16 pm

Celisea, no I won’t think outside of my perfect little world, because I am concerned with my world and I will raise them to the relationship standards that my parents raised me and my siblings. It worked so I will do my part to continue the process. If folks worried more about home and taking care of it the world would be a better place. There is nothing new under the sun, temptations come and go. But values and discipline should not change.

abc

October 5th, 2011
12:17 pm

My perspective on marriage remains the same as it was when I was 20-something, outdated as it is these days: marriage is for raising a family, for creating your own family. Few people felt like they needed to have more fun, somehow find or discover themselves, etc. Very few were financially well-to-do when they got married. People worked on things like that together, had kids, raised them.

I still think a man’s role includes providing for their wife and kids. If he does it well enough, then sure, no need for the wife to work. Her primary concern should be creating an optimal home, including what makes an optimal home for a child. Mine is a traditional view that for many isn’t even traditional anymore, it’s so outdated — but, in my opinion, that’s what marriage is all about.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
12:18 pm

I think a lot of trouble with young people and sex, esp. the young girls is the fact that we adults constantly tell them what they shouldn’t be doing, to not fall for what the sweet nothings these boys are whispering or write down of love notes. I don’t know how many are telling the young girls WHY they shouldn’t be giving their bodies so freely. Not sure how many are talking about the importance and value and respect to hold onto their virginity and that it’s to be given to their husband (used to be the case). More young girls need to be taught the value of self.

Musinglee

October 5th, 2011
12:19 pm

Leggs you are so silly! I spit up my soda.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
12:19 pm

Bravo ABC!!!! I agree completely, very outdated though

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
12:21 pm

abc, I agree. I wonder where the married but indepent came into play?

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
12:21 pm

Leggs- I hate to say but the generation before us, don’t give a @#$% about what we say or don’t, most don’t have the respect for their elders that was taught early on in previous generations.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
12:21 pm

I don’t really think you can teach a girl not to without explaining the importance of her vessel. At least I don’t think you can. I think the lesson itself encompassess all of that.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
12:26 pm

I don’t know, Celisea. Looking around it seems like the importance of her vessel is not being heard by many. So, perhaps it’s not that it’s not being taught, but that the student doesn’t care to listen. Again, why?

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
12:28 pm

Men like women who say “no” and women with traditional values. I am not saying a woman with a subservient attitude, but a woman who is about her “family” and it staying together.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
12:33 pm

Meant, Again, why aren’t they listening?

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
12:37 pm

Weren’t brought up with respect

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
12:39 pm

I’m trying to post a response Leggs but I can’t figure what word is getting it banned

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
12:40 pm

Retarded blog…now it’s saying “you’ve said that already”…lol

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
12:46 pm

Well I tried and I took out “sex” but it’s still not allowing me.

Jake: Sweet Peeda Jeeda, TWB

October 5th, 2011
12:46 pm

Looks like a hot topic today, hell yea Men in trouble and everyone else is too. There are lots of grown little dudes trying to get to success with minimal committment, and there are also plenty women who are stars in the their own mind, but in reality is the other way around, their RATS, floss a lil cheese and “she will”. In this gimme this, gimme that world, men and women no longer respect each other, therefore, things are headed in the wrong direction.

Mike P

October 5th, 2011
1:02 pm

@Jake: how can anyone expect men and women to respect each other, when they aren’t willing to respect themselves (based on the choices habitually being made against their best, long-term interests)?

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
1:03 pm

Do you have health insurance? No
Are you one food stamps? Yes
Do you refer to your partner as husband or babby daddy? baby Daddy
Do you think Obama is doing a ood job? Yes

FAIL!

Michael bolton

October 5th, 2011
1:04 pm

How can we be lovers if we can’t be friends!?

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
1:11 pm

What does President Obama have to do with relationships? If anything his family is a great example of how a marriage should be from what is shown

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
1:14 pm

Sexy Cool, I got a shot this morning for my knee if it doesn’t get better I will have to go under the knife. Good news is that either way I will still be able to run!

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
1:23 pm

As long as you can run. Life is better when you run.

I’m at a solid 12/min pace now. Weight is dropping. I am looking forward to going faster – like Ricky Bobby. (lol)

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
1:24 pm

I’m eating the best salad :)

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
1:28 pm

If I can get my unread emails down to 30 or so I would be good.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
1:30 pm

I’m having a salad too, but I so want a Reuben and a Fanta Orange!!! I fried the chicken wings last night and they were delicious. I ate 4.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
1:33 pm

Leggs, I went out for dinner

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
1:34 pm

So I’m yielding to guilt and better today :)

Timeless

October 5th, 2011
1:34 pm

Paul @ 9:18 am and Islander @ 9:22:

Well said!

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
1:35 pm

“eating” better today

Purple Reign

October 5th, 2011
1:36 pm

Sexy Cool, you “wanna” go fast? LOL

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:04 pm

My mommie will be 82 in 9 days

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:05 pm

She’s a fiesty little something too.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:08 pm

How about I’m sitting here listening to this dude vent that he’s made about DIANE SAWYER saying she tried to contact someone here for questioning but got no answers…..IT WAS HIM she was calling!!!!! Go figure!!!!! He was royally irked

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
2:09 pm

@Celisea!

good appetite

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:10 pm

Exiled…ya girl called here!!!!!!!!

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
2:10 pm

That is great news, Celisea.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
2:11 pm

Well, if you call a 10 minute mile fast. :)

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:11 pm

Not so sure Leggs. She was saying she couldn’t get anyone to refute some of the things being said…ut uh

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
2:11 pm

Single ladies,stop saying ‘hit it daddy’

He ain’t ur Daddy!

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:12 pm

Exiled – Single ladies,stop saying ‘hit it daddy’

Did you just hear that in the wind or something??? LOL

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:13 pm

SexyC – You think 2 miles in 10 minutes (walking) is good timing? I usually do something like and think I’m doing something. Don’t sound like it compared to you regular excercisers.

HST

October 5th, 2011
2:14 pm

I was hoping someone would bring up breeding. I am not a breeder and that is my life choice. I am smart enough to know I enjoy my life as it is. I don’t understand why we don’t license childbearing. As citizens we have to get a license for everything but the most important role in society, a parent.

It’s pathetic that I volunteer more than parents at my nephew’s school. Not only do I have to pay for kids I didn’t want, it seems some parents need help raising them as well. This must be some of the maturity issue that is being brought up here. For those of you who take pride in raising your offspring, kudos. Public schools are really screwed up, consider private school.

Why any person lies with another and has unprotected sex is beyond me. That is a seriously dumb life choice on so many levels.

i'm swiss™

October 5th, 2011
2:17 pm

C — I actually agree with everything you said in your 12:16. I guess I just don’t see how any of that precludes teaching kids about safe sex in addition to teaching them the benefits of abstinence. I don’t think there are any parents who would not prefer that their kids abstain, but teaching them only to abstain without having a frank discussion about what to do if they succumb to temptation is ignoring the very real probability that most kids will succumb to temptation at some point. I’d venture to guess that a majority of us engaged in pre-marital sex as teens, so to expect that our kids will be more resistant to temptation than we were as kids is probably unrealistic.

All I’m saying is, we need to be able to talk to them frankly about all possibilities — including the possibility that they ignore tenet #1 (which is to abstain).

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
2:17 pm

U my girl Cel!

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
2:19 pm

I (we)walked 2 miles in the park trail this past Sunday and was sore mon and tuesday.

but I’m doing it again this weekend

i'm swiss™

October 5th, 2011
2:20 pm

“You think 2 miles in 10 minutes (walking) is good timing?”

C — If you’re doing 2 miles in 10 minutes, you’re one hell of a fast walker. That’s quite a pace for running, actually. Even 10 minutes per mile is a decent jogging pace, particularly for non-competitive runners.

Michael bolton

October 5th, 2011
2:20 pm

I agree HST….there should be test ot have kids.

Have you blackout at a party in the past year? Yes
Do you know the capital of Singapore? No
Do you think that the the trillion dollar stimuls had any effect on our economy? Yes

FAIL!

Jake: Sweet Peeda Jeeda, TWB

October 5th, 2011
2:21 pm

Mike P…agreed, Celisea, I am sure I missed something, but its impossible to do 2 miles in 10min walkin, and if you are doing 2 miles in under 10min running, you are some kind of athelete.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
2:21 pm

If she’s using the word “refute,” she’s still good…

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
2:23 pm

Cel – ONE mile in 10 minutes.

HST

October 5th, 2011
2:24 pm

Celisea, you do realize you’d be walking (really running) @12mph doing 2 miles in 10min. Walking is around 3 mph depending on height. Hitting 2 miles in 20 min is a great jog on a nice GA day.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
2:24 pm

@Ex ~ what you were experiencing mon and tues was D.O.M.S = Delayed Onset Muscle Soreness. After a few more, you won’t be sore. Had to put some oil on those joints (lol)…

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
2:26 pm

Have you ever had to call “who’s your daddy” to find out the father of a current child-Yes

FAIL! You shouldn’t be breeding anymore.

HST

October 5th, 2011
2:26 pm

Michael B…nice test…chucklesnort.

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
2:31 pm

I scoff at todays’s topic, no matter how much ladies get there way, they always want more, never happy. I chuckle when I hear women cry for nice guys, they would not know what to do with one even if he landed in her lap. (shruggs)

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
2:32 pm

yeah,Leggs we gon drive back to the park.

We always walk round the neighborhood we changed this time… seeing other (fat) people walking briskly in the park, to reduce their loads, kinda inspires.

And it can be comedy too laughing at them behind their back..

Oh she fat

Oh she late coz she so so fat

Oh that one she needs intervention like Star Jones

Oh that one can’t even walk she must like donoughts

She tired already? :lol:

…and so on and so on and so on…

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:34 pm

Hey Swiss – I don’t disagree per se with what you just stated. I fully believe (and no I didn’t live by) abstinence is the right thing to do and way to go. My mom didn’t put any of us four girls on b.c. She was like keep them panties up and you won’t get a baby. The other thing my mom did was talk to us about emotions and perservation of the body and what happens when you go there with the body….everything gets pulled in. So no, I’m not oblivious to prevention but I’m not fully sold that kids won’t listen or eventually will do it. If she wants to once she’s an adult and grown and gone…that’s her. But while she’s under my care and my roof, I believe what was instilled in me is good enough for her.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:36 pm

Thanks Sexy, Jake and Swiss…okay so when I walk uptown and back it’s usually 3 – 4 miles (round trip) done in about 40 minutes. I guess that’s probably more accurate 20 minutes for 1 – 2 miles.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:39 pm

Now now Lord V….why oh why do the men beat up on the women so much?? I say everybody go to their side of the sandbox and stay separated. What then? Right ya’ll need women as much as it pains ya’ll…riiight and women need men as much as some protest not.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:41 pm

And just let me clarify when I say I didn’t follow but in the same breath said it worked for me. I didn’t get babies or engage until I was FULLY GROWN. An adult over 20.

A Woman

October 5th, 2011
2:42 pm

Wait… what’s wrong with prolonged adolescence and why are men the only ones who get to have one??

Exiled!

October 5th, 2011
2:43 pm

Michael B/HST/Ron?

I know or have heard of multiple personality disorder but not Triple personality disorder.

How did U get it?
Or is that one and the same thing?

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:44 pm

Exiled…DON’T DO IT…keep them muted

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
2:46 pm

Would you need to be on the Maury Povich show to find out your babies daddy? Yes
Have you ever used rent money to get a tattoo?
Have you ever picked up a half smoked cigerette butt off the ground and smoked it? Yes

FAIL!

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
2:47 pm

Have you ever acted like a 3rd grader and tried to get people on an open forum to ignore someone you know is right? Yes

FAIL!

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
2:47 pm

Please don’t speak for every man Cel, I am quite independent, whether I die alone or married, I’ll have a smile on my face. The small desire for Companionship isn’t holding me hostage for anything, I can go with or without, simple. Forward March!

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
2:50 pm

Lord V – doidn’t you know? That Celisea lady is like hte mother hen of this forum. She is right…just ask her.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
2:52 pm

Either that Lord V or shrivel up in a corner woe is me! Keep on trucking baby…. :wink:

i'm swiss™

October 5th, 2011
2:53 pm

C — Here’s my kind of sex education (from Monty Python):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDoQFcQEpOQ

(Warning: not work appropriate) :lol:

“What’s wrong with a kiss, boy?” :lol:

abc

October 5th, 2011
2:53 pm

shutup, shutup, shutup already, dude, with all the different names you’re entering into here today. Can you come up with a line of questions that would qualify one to be a sociopath? Sure you can. We already know that.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:55 pm

Actually Lord V – I’m not speaking for every man. I was actually teasing a bit and speaking in general. Heck I can’t speak for no man. Smile back at me man…I’m smiling at you.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:56 pm

Swiss — Here’s my kind of sex education (from Monty Python):

Ut uh man….no way am I touching that link. I’m scurrred

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
2:56 pm

abc – Love it…lol

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
2:59 pm

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
3:03 pm

OJ

October 5th, 2011
3:03 pm

Is it considered immature to murder you ex wife and her friend?

HST

October 5th, 2011
3:04 pm

I am me and me only. I do use a screen name.

Mike

October 5th, 2011
3:04 pm

Copy/Pasting this from the CNN article but I couldn’t have said it better myself. What are your thoughts?

My theory is that young men have chosen to opt out of an increasingly one sided
game. If the rewards for “Manning Up” are Marriage (and subsequent
divorce) then why would they opt in? Beer, games and blow cost a lot
less than shoes, dresses and handbags. You don’t need much money to enjoy being a couch potato, so why take the risk of losing EVERYTHING with marriage?

It used to be observed, probably correctly, that marriage was society’s way of civilizing men. But if divorce is so much more effective for women, then young men will not choose marriage. You have to make marriage seem MORE life enhancing than less. At the moment the alternatives look a lot less grief and all the shaming language in the world (as evidenced by most of the women on this thread) will not change that an iota.

If you want men to “Man Up”, then you have to radically overhaul marriage, divorce, custody arrangements and the family courts. And stop using the phrase “Man Up” when you mean “Do what I want”.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:07 pm

I agree Mike…divorce blows…especially when she is a stripper.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
3:08 pm

I don’t think “Man Up” exclusively means “Do What I want.” It means be a man and take responsibility the direction your life has turned and stop make excuses. No one can guide your life down a particular path unless you’re a willing participant. That’s “manning up!”

HST

October 5th, 2011
3:08 pm

Psychopath Test

Do you take the internet as serious business? yes
Are you a woman who is lonely despite her relationship status? yes
Do you constantly think there’s a conspiracy? yes
Do you think of yourself as more than you are? yes
You had kid out of wedlock or with a loser? yes

Yep, you’re a psychopath.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:09 pm

WOW HST….SHE GOT KNOCKED THA *(%*( OUT!!!

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
3:10 pm

Wow that was a mouth full Mike, I like. So is 36 considered a young man?

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
3:10 pm

HST love the test

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
3:12 pm

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
3:13 pm

I don’t think a guy has to get married & have kids to be a man and contribute to society. It’s mature to admit that you are not ready to marry and father kids or admit that marriage and fatherhood are not for you.

AND,if you hate women that much, like some of you sound, please do us all a favor and stay to yourself. You’re probably no prize anyway.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
3:15 pm

Kimmie- OH SNAP

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:17 pm

I love women Kimmie….especially ones with big veluptuos minds.

HST

October 5th, 2011
3:18 pm

Mike, that is a great article. I wrote something parallel in my first post on this topic.

Mike

October 5th, 2011
3:19 pm

I hope that didn’t come across as hating women. I have a gf who I love very much but I have to be honest, the whole marriage thing is daunting. It’s obviously not something I can talk to her about but the whole institution does feel one-sided and I find myself wondering if I want to get involved.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:20 pm

There is a proper joke to marriage….

Groom stand at aler with big smile….groomsman ask why he is smiling….groom says “I just got a BJ!”

Bride stans at alter also smiling…..bridesmaid asks why she is smiling….bride says “I just gave my last BJ ever”

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
3:20 pm

I don’t hate women there is too much of a double standard between us, and when there is a more clear benefit for both parties, I’ll be more in favor of it.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:23 pm

Mike….if you like making love to to girls faces…then do not get married

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
3:24 pm

“It’s obviously not something I can talk to her about”

Then she’s probably not the one you should be marrying.

abc

October 5th, 2011
3:25 pm

Yall have it completely backwards. It’s not when you feel that she can bring some benefit to you; it’s when you want to be of benefit to her. If you don’t put your partner’s welfare ahead of your own, by all means, stay single. It’s that kind of attitude that makes for high divorce rates.

Marriage isn’t for everybody. Parenthood isn’t for everybody. But, parenthood without marriage is good for nobody, especially the kids. If you don’t get married, don’t have kids. Simple.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
3:29 pm

Very well said, abc.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
3:29 pm

abc
I think benefit should be for both, it should not make a liability for either to get married, though that is hardly the case now a days.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
3:30 pm

Mike – Why is it something you don’t want to talk about with her? If it’s something she wants and you don’t, you owe it to her to tell her so she won’t waste her time. I wasted a lot of my precious years dating guys who were nice, but did not want a commitment. Either they did not want marriage or wanted it, just not with me. I was afraid I would scare them off by not stating what I wanted and thought I could change their minds. Boy was I wrong. I have mad respect for a guy that is man enough to admit that’s not what he wants. That is “manning up” in my book. Life is too short.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
3:31 pm

Mike – Manning up has nothing to do with anyone but yourself

abc

October 5th, 2011
3:31 pm

If you consider it a liability up front, then either she’s the wrong person for you, or you’re not marriage material, or she isn’t, or maybe all of those. If selflessness isn’t part of the equation, just don’t do it.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
3:32 pm

abc – Cosign. Now that sounds like a real man.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
3:32 pm

If you cannot see the benefit in being married to the person your with, then you’ve picked the wrong person.

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
3:32 pm

“it’s when you want to be of benefit to her”

Tsk Tsk, typical female, all about the woman, marriage/relationships is a two way street honey!

abc

October 5th, 2011
3:32 pm

…and frankly, I can relate to that. If not for the specific, very girl I have, I’d not even think about marriage. No way, no how. Nope!

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
3:33 pm

abc – Many don’t understand the concept of selflessness.

Mike

October 5th, 2011
3:34 pm

I think y’all are missing the point. It’s not the individuals involved here, it’s the institution of marriage and society norms that makes the benefits of getting married lopsided towards women. Kind of a have your cake and eat it too thing for women. Women are treated as a minority, even though they are a fiscal and numerical majority, and enjoy all the benefits of minority status, like college admissions, legal proceedings, etc. Per the stats in this article, it seems like men could use some help but in almost any situation where the state in involved in a conflict between men and women, men come up on the short end of the stick.

Gary

October 5th, 2011
3:34 pm

Welcome to womens liberation movement. You now need two incomes to purchase the same goods and services. There are twice as many people trying to get into the workforce. You now need two cars. You must pay other to help raise your children. School has become the baby sitter rather than and educational process. Parents simply do not have the time, energy, or will to seriously address the issues their own children face. Childhood obesity because of fast food family meals and pizza delivery. Children being raised by PS3 and the internet. A huge increase in the divource rate. Worst of all, they seem to keep voting for democrats. I hope it was worth it.

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
3:35 pm

sorry abc thought you were a woman because you type like one.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
3:35 pm

From my experience true selflessness is rare.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
3:36 pm

Regardless of what your justification is for your views are, Mike, if you cannot share that with your partner, you are already experiencing one of the biggest problems in relationships – the inability to communicate.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:36 pm

I agree Mike. Women whine and moan about everything but have it made. they tend to always want the door held or whatever and then they want ot get into the workplace….you cannot have both.

May I suggest a marriage lit mus test?

Does she like football? No
Does she talk bad about friends? yes
Does she smoke weed or mind if you do? No
Does she have “big girl” potential? Yes

FAIL!

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:37 pm

Dang….Gar nailed it.

CmonSeriously

October 5th, 2011
3:38 pm

Selflessness usually hits the floor when someone asks to split the check on a rough month, but he still wants to be with his woman, let’s see how far selflessness goes then.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
3:38 pm

Mike – Sounds like you’re planning for a divorce coming out of the gate. More concentration needs to be on picking the right person. Even after choosing carefully, things still may not go as planned. You have to have faith.

TOm

October 5th, 2011
3:39 pm

She also has the right to kill your unborn child without your consent or keep the child and a large percentage of your income to raise the child. The husbands choice is to stand by and watch her decide. My feeling is you should be able to have the right to choose or the right to a payment, but you can’t demand both.

abc

October 5th, 2011
3:39 pm

You’re wrong about ‘now needing two incomews to purchase the same goods and services’. Consider the cost of living in 1980 vs. the cost of living in 2011. With 1980 costs adjusted for inflation — roughly devaluing the dollar 2.5 times —

In 1980 the average house cost (in current dollars) $175K; average salary, $55K; average car cost, $18K; cost of a gallon of gas, $3. Things cost about the same, people made about the same amount of money.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
3:40 pm

SCool – You said it.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
3:41 pm

Well said, abc. I wholeheartedly agree. You desire to be a benefit. If you have that belief going in, things are so much easier.

It was said here years ago, 50/50 doesn’t work for a successful marriage. If he gives at least 80% of what he has to please his wife (nonsexual) and she gives 80% of herself to please him, longevity will surely follow.

Mike

October 5th, 2011
3:43 pm

Thanks for the advice ladies, though I didn’t ask for it. I love my GF very much.
I don’t talk to her about it because she would take it personally and be threatened or feel insecure while I’m trying to have a conceptual discussion about an institution. When marriage becomes a more real option in our life we’ll have that discussion, I’m not worried about our ability to communicate.
Kimmie – I don’t break up because our relationship is healthy and I’ve never lied or made promises I don’t intend to keep. I also can’t see into the future. I find it annoying that on some level being with her now is considered a “promise” that I will marry her later. Seems like playing the victim to act like I “owe” it to her to get married.
I think women realize they have a smaller window to find a mate and have children so they put a lot more pressure on men to “pull the trigger and commit.”

abc

October 5th, 2011
3:43 pm

In your ear, sociopath. You type like an illiterate cretin. Please do stay single, and please don’t propagate your idiocy through having children.

Now, of course, yall are just idly playing, and I suppose there’s nothing wrong with that. It doesn’t make for much meaningful conversation though. It does illustrate a bit of a lack of maturity, IMHO, but that’s the point of the topic, isn’t it? Men who suffer from Peter Pan syndrome, of a sort?

Well, just think of a wonderful thought, then, any happy little thought. You can fly.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
3:45 pm

Men who suffer from Peter Pan syndrome, of a sort?

Well, just think of a wonderful thought, then, any happy little thought. You can fly.

LOLOLOL…I wasn’t expecting that abc…

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
3:45 pm

Ok I am done for the day you folks are giving me gas.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
3:50 pm

Mike – Good luck to you both. And if the thought of marriage to you is like a “debt owed” or “pulling the trigger” then you are very right to be reconsidering doing it at all. Everything in life isn’t fair, and you are right, we ladies don’t have a lot of play time if we want to have children easily and safely. Those are the cards we are dealt.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:50 pm

Mike may I suggest a few other litmus test for marriage that men should follow?

Does your girl consider getting a diet coke with her varsity chilli dogs dieting?
Does your girlfriend have 4 cats?
Does yor girlfriend take part in protest?
Does your girlfriend like acousticguitar?

FAIL
FAIL!

Barbara Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:52 pm

I am Ron’s wife. Is Ron as ass-hole? Why yes. Yes. He is.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
3:53 pm

Hilarious, abc.

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
3:53 pm

Who’s the sociopath, I do hope the name calling isn’t being directed at me, either way name calling shows lack of maturity.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
3:53 pm

You are a smelly pirate hooker barbara!

Gary

October 5th, 2011
3:55 pm

ABC, I was thinking back a little bit. Try 1960 were there were very few women in the workplace. In 1980 every family I knew was a two income family. While the wifes income was significantly less in most cases. These days the salary has closed significantly.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
3:57 pm

Lord V – Quit ya being so sensitive. I think abc was directing that at the lamo that’s been here a week now changing monikers and have something crass to say behind everybody’s comments

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
3:59 pm

I figured as much, just wanted to clarify.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
3:59 pm

Boo Boo the Clown :)

Mike

October 5th, 2011
4:01 pm

Kimmie – My point exactly, I hate to be made to feel that I “owe” it to her to propose or that it has the happen in a specific time frame, hence the pull the trigger comment. I do intend to raise a family one day and I’m pretty sure I’ve found the right girl to do it with. That said, it’s not something that’s going to happen because of external pressures or her imaginary life schedule, it will happen when it feels right to me. She can propose any time, equal opportunity.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
4:02 pm

She can propose any time, equal opportunity.

Yep….men are in trouble.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
4:03 pm

Wow Celisea….you sure ot post a lot in my regard to be ignoring.

Lord Velonese

October 5th, 2011
4:11 pm

So what if I can be sensitive Celisea. (Sticks tongue out and runs away) Mwuhahahahahahaha!

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
4:12 pm

her imaginary life schedule,

Mike – Oh that biological clock is very real, not imaginary at all. You are talking to one who dearly loves children and would have had a house full or at least one. Things did not work out that way for me. I now have 2 stepchildren that I love like my own and am honored to share in raising. But it’s definitely not how I envisioned it for myself.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
4:14 pm

” In 1980 every family I knew was a two income family” – Most of the families I knew was single families headed by the woman who worked.

And someone has the nerve to talk about another person being immature…that’s Rich!

Mike

October 5th, 2011
4:15 pm

SexyCool – what’s that supposed to mean? Do you think it’s unfair that if my pacing isn’t working out for her, she has the option to propose?

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
4:17 pm

Lord V…lol Good to see a humorous side.

Sassy Me..Sun Kissed ;-)

October 5th, 2011
4:19 pm

if you don’t feed strays they usually leave…I’m jus’ sayin’

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
4:19 pm

Mike – What good would it do for her to propose, if like you said, you aren’t ready or it doesn’t feel right? It has to be the right time for the both of you.

Mike

October 5th, 2011
4:20 pm

Kimmie – Sorry to hear that things didn’t work out as planned but it sounds like you found a great way to deal with the situation and improve the lives of two children. I commend you.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
4:21 pm

If you are not asking her because you are not ready, what is different from her asking you before you are ready?

Are you going to say yes just because she asked? Or will you then have the discussion regarding your philosophical views regarding the institution of marriage?

So, she asks and either you capitulate to the external pressure…or because you are not ready to take that step, you say no. Okay…well, yeah…I am sure you can see how she might take that personally.

And..does she know that she can propose to you?

Mike

October 5th, 2011
4:23 pm

Again, I agree with you Kimmie. Timing should be right for both of us. My point is that I’m not holding her hostage. She has the option to pose the question now and ask for an answer or she can wait for me to act when the timing feels right. I’m just trying to illustrate that she’s not the victim, though people tend to portray it that way.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
4:23 pm

Sassy – if you don’t feed strays they usually leave…I’m jus’ sayin’

This one is more like a rabid dog that needs a bullet to get it done.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
4:24 pm

Does she ever bring up the topic of marriage? If so, what do you say?

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
4:25 pm

Wow Celisea is not only racist but violent. If I don’t “stay with my own kind” I get a bullet. I guess some men ARE in trouble!

Sassy Me..Sun Kissed ;-)

October 5th, 2011
4:26 pm

This one is more like a rabid dog that needs a bullet to get it done.

:lol:

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
4:26 pm

Too funny, Celisea.

kimmie

October 5th, 2011
4:29 pm

Mike – I never said she was a victim, just like I’m not a victim. It is her life just like it’s yours. One persons life should not be subject to another person’s whims.

Mike

October 5th, 2011
4:30 pm

SexyCool – I’m not necessarily going to say yes, but I will answer. If the answer is no, of course we’d end up in that discussion about my views on the institution of marriage or whatever other reason is dictating that I answer “No.” Again, point being that she isn’t forced to play a passive role.

It’s a personal question, of course the answer will be taken personally. Discussing the merits of the institution of marriage with the person you may ask one day is just the wrong audience. It’s impossible to keep that from becoming personal, hence the reason I’m having this conversation with her. It’s not that I can’t, it’s just not worth the effort to calm her down after the fact.

Mike

October 5th, 2011
4:31 pm

Yes, she does bring up the topic of marriage and let’s it be known that she intends to marry me. What I say depends on the conversation.

Dante

October 5th, 2011
4:31 pm

Where are the decent single men you ask? Well where are the decent single women I ask?
I have no intention of gettin married and neither do a lot of guys i know. I think this post pretty much sums up what a lot guys are thinking
http://sxmodels.blogspot.com/2009/11/why-men-increasingly-avoid-marriage.html
Maarriage has become meaningless for men.

Mike

October 5th, 2011
4:33 pm

** hence the reason I’m NOT having this conversation with her.

SexyCool

October 5th, 2011
4:34 pm

I will agree to disagree, if you will.

I sincerely wish you all the best with your wonderful lady. And should you/she/the both of you decide to take the next step, I do hope that pre-marital counseling will be a part of the equation.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
4:35 pm

Mike…sounds like you are being pressured. make sure you have all your affairs in order. the ship is sinking. remember my test..

Does your girl like waiting to exhale?
Does she not like mustache rides?
Does she send out christmas cards with her and her cats?

FAIL!

oneofeach4me

October 5th, 2011
4:36 pm

Wow.. I hate I missed this one!! If men are in trouble then we are all in trouble. It’s a domino effect. If the men aren’t growing up, but still having babies, then the kids suffer, the woman suffers raising a kid on their own, the community suffers trying to mentor a child with no father, etc. It’s like a constant merry go round. I personally don’t want to be the bread winner in the house, but it rough times I gotta do what I gotta do. That means, that even though as the man you may not want to be the one to stay at home and do the domestic things, you gotta do what you gotta do. The roles have reversed in today’s society. And as a woman.. I don’t like it. I would MUCH rather be at home taking care of our kids, our home, his meals and him when he gets home. The real problem is the ego which will get you absolutely nowhere.

“…. When she knows that he has her best interests at heart she will submit to the man.True manhood has vision, courage, compassion and will. When it’s vision is not supported and encouraged by woman it has little chance of surviving.” Wow.. enough said!!

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
4:44 pm

Do you agree that men are not stepping up to the plate in their transition from boys to men?

I loved that group…BoysIIMen…..the east coast family of them BBD and ABC.

Chad Wilson

October 5th, 2011
4:44 pm

Ok…I am the Boifriend that Rons is trying so hard to hide…Ron…Why did you tell me you were single??? Who is this Barbra Chic anyway???? :(

Mike

October 5th, 2011
4:44 pm

Not even sure what we’re agreeing to disagree about Sexycool but thank you for the wishes. I find it a little offensive that you think we need counseling based on this discussion but I wish you all the best as well and hope you have a great day.

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
4:53 pm

Great discussion today folks. Oh, wait…everybody might not think so :)

Chad Wilson

October 5th, 2011
4:54 pm

Its OK Ron…You and I can’t get married in Georgia…Besides, when did we start caring what those nasty old women think anyway????

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
4:55 pm

I was threatened with violence by a racist…lambasted by my ex wife and some guy named Chad (who i never met…all in all…pretty good convo folks.

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
4:56 pm

Calgon, take me away……

Leggs

October 5th, 2011
4:57 pm

“Good sense makes a man restrain his anger, and it is his glory to overlook a transgression or an offense.” ~ Proverbs 19:11

PEACE!

Sassy Me..Sun Kissed ;-)

October 5th, 2011
5:00 pm

Okay why do I hear Atlantic Starr’s Secret Lovers reading Ron and Chad…how cute. Ron has a boyfriend. And who said men were in trouble when they have each other :lol:

Peace…

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
5:03 pm

I am comfortable with who I am.;)

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
5:04 pm

Stay blessed everyone!

HST

October 5th, 2011
5:06 pm

This did end pretty well. I did say most of this early on.

Ron, you have some fans but that should be expected for an anchorman.

Have a nice evening to all.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
5:07 pm

Stay classy HST!

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
5:17 pm

Ron Boo Boo the Clown Burgundy said: Stay blessed everyone!

Blasphemy

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
5:18 pm

Yes Sassy and maybe that’s what was wrong and been wrong with him. Soon as his lova (lover) chimed in, he quieted down and purred like a kitten…talking about “stay blessed”

Celisea

October 5th, 2011
5:19 pm

Thanks Chad…please come get your man early tomorrow if he’s cutting up again.

Night folks!!

Chad Wilson

October 5th, 2011
5:28 pm

LOL….Ron when we get home I want you to use that sexy HST voice you used the last time we went to Miami…If you do, I promise to put on those silver platform boots you like……and my Mardi Gras mask…. :D

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
7:04 pm

Celisea is obsessed withme….how many post is she going tomake about me…talk about ahater….stay blessed Celisea….stay blessed.

Ron Burgundy

October 5th, 2011
7:05 pm

Awesome how Celisea ignored me…LOL!

Cody Young

October 5th, 2011
7:56 pm

What are we actually talking about here? Well it’s conformity, that somehow I’m not a “man” if I don’t fit into the dominant consumerist paradigm. What makes me a man in this society? Buying a house? Working a soul crushing wage job because there isn’t any creative interesting jobs to be found? Oh I get it working in a factory makes me a man cause I’m “productive” and “industrious” isn’t that right? do you see how stupid these things sound. Why on earth if I’m just barely getting by as it is, in a job I hate, have kids just to feel grown up?

Let’s cut the BS here, if men felt like they were apart of a community, if we felt like there was a future for us in acting the way society dictates, if we felt there was a point to marriage or material progress don’t you think we’d opt in?

Whatever

October 6th, 2011
8:28 am

Laugh, I don’t believe this BS for a second. With the exception of healthcare 90% of technical position are filled by men. That’s not to say the women who do technical work are bad (quite the contrary).

In IT the ladies may have take over the project management positions but really most of them wouldn’t be able to even install a Windows OS without help. Next time you call for service on your central heating and air unit guess what gender shows up. Next time you have you car serviced what gender person is going to be under your car. What percentage of commercial pilots are men.

This is not the result of some good ole boys club working against women. As a whole men tend to be better at these positions just as females tend to be better at management positions.

Government aid to single parents and parents in general is why the divorce rate is so high. I wouldn’t say we should put them on the street but you know the divorce rate would be a whole lot lower if people were at least a little concerned with how they were going to feed their families.

Sweet Pea

October 6th, 2011
8:46 am

Whatever, its seems like a female must’ve made you mad as your last paragraph is indicative of a guy who bash women just because they are doing well in their lives.

I am not sure where you got your information from when it comes to gov’t aid to single parents and parents in general, however the generalization of everyone as you described getting a helping hand is truly false. Personally and fortunately, I ‘ve been in this position for quite some time and NEVER got any aid from our gov’t. Nevertheless, if there was ever a need to do so I would gladly step in line as I’ve paid my taxes to help others who may or may not qualify for gov’t aid. Life happens and you never know when even you will need to do the same thing no matter what gender you are besides I disagree that divorce is waht impacted gov’t aid, it’s people losing their jobs…IJS