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Do you return gifts to the ex?

I have never been comfortable accepting extravagant gifts from men I am not in a relationship with or seriously dating. It just makes me uneasy to the point that I could not enjoy the gesture because I am too busy worrying about the motive behind it.

I just think that if things are going so great, we will have plenty of time to spoil one another. Why change the dynamics of the relationship by bringing in big ticket gifts? What happens if things go horribly wrong and you spent a lot of money on someone and start to regret all those gifts?

A friend of mine recently broke up with her man and they had only been dating less then a year. She wants to give back the car that he bought her. Yes, that’s right a car. To be fair, he owns a dealership and probably could afford to let her keep it. I just don’t think she should have accepted it in the first place.

The car actually became an issue for her when deciding if she would break up with him or not. See? This is why things change when money and finances get involved in a dating relationship! What do you think? Should your extravagant gifts or financial loans be returned to your ex post break up?

What is your position on gift buying and exchanging in dating? When is it too generous? Is there such a thing?

Have you ever spent a lot of money on one person you were dating? Did you regret it?

Would you ever ask someone to return a gift you gave them when you were together?

By Wise Diva, Misadventures in Atlanta Dating Blog

226 comments Add your comment

Kat

August 15th, 2011
7:00 am

A car, really? How long has she had the car? She must have given it up pretty quickly, or else it was REAL good when he got it.

Lee

August 15th, 2011
7:16 am

I would not of accepted the car. I did turn a car down before it wasn’t brand new but i still turned it down, i felt then i would own him back -we were only dating for 2 mths and it felt wrong.

Foxy

August 15th, 2011
7:21 am

GM Kids!

Foxy thinks that situation smelled of desperation on both sides… so not sexy!

Orlando

August 15th, 2011
7:33 am

If the man owns a dealership, a car is nothing to give. But, I would not expect it back if we broke up, that is just how I roll.

Rob

August 15th, 2011
7:40 am

I think it totally depends on the gifts and personel feelings. Ive returned things and some things ive just thrown away or given to charity. To all have a great and wonderful day

JT

August 15th, 2011
7:43 am

I don’t think you are under any obligation to return an expensive gift after the break-up. I guess it’s more of an issue of how you feel about keeping it…

Button

August 15th, 2011
8:50 am

A gift is just that, a gift! noules written that you have to give back a gift even if things turn sour…jmo
engaged ring is another thing though, you have to give that back, legally. *shrugs*

Button

August 15th, 2011
8:51 am

Oops—meant—no rules

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
9:05 am

Good morning.

They’ve been dating less than a year and he gave her a car. Good for her. He may have wanted to impress her, but he probably also wanted to help her out of whatever her situation was at that time. Would I give the car back, NOPE!

Button

August 15th, 2011
9:08 am

high five Leggs! keep that car!

Button

August 15th, 2011
9:09 am

the wooing process can be very expensive.

czBrat

August 15th, 2011
9:32 am

HiYas!

gifts are gifts. they should not be given on condition of anything other than making the receiver happy. personally, returning a gift i’ve given to you (no matter what the reason) would offend me.

i trust all had a lovely weekend. i’m starting my “hurry, hurry up! c’mon already, friday!” mint condition! anthony hamilton!

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
9:34 am

Topic makes me think of Beyonce’ song “Irreplaceable.”

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
9:36 am

Personally, I believe extravagant gifts are a bad idea regardless of which side of the transaction one is on. 1) It involves, no matter what one says, an implication of “You now owe me” or indebtedness. That is an emotional “cloud” that will hang over from then on in the relationship causing a tipping of the “balance of power”. Not a good idea.. 2) Most relationships statistically do not last…so the inevitable attempt to untangle “who owns what”.

This is why I would NEVER give an engagement ring for a holiday, i.e Christmas, Valentine’s Day (aka National Sinlges Awareness Day”, et. Because the lines between “gift” and offering a “symbol of commitment” become clouded. Nor am I willing to “live together” unless married for the same reason. Too Dayum Complicated.

Bottom line…will almost always ultimately cause DRAMA…IMHO

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
9:40 am

Also…maybe I’ve accidentally watched too many episodes of “Judge Judy” and “The People’s Court”…many of those are this exact topic. LOL Those people look like clowns…and those people next could be you and me if we fall into a trap like this. As the lyrics used to say, “Clowns to the left of me, Jokers to the right. Here I am, stuck in the middle with you”. ;-)

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
9:40 am

Morning peeps…… Happy Monday!!! :)
Ahhhhh…. A topic near and dear to my heart :D :) ;D

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
9:40 am

“This is why I would NEVER give an engagement ring for a holiday” – I don’t blame you. In a court of law, it will be hard to determine it wasn’t really a gift and should be returned to you.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
9:45 am

I know see your post, RandyT, on Judge Judy and People’s Court! Exactly!

Mr_NYC

August 15th, 2011
9:57 am

Good morning all
Gifts should be — well let me speak for myself — I give gifts because I want to with no expectation other than knowing that its something that pleases the recipient.
So in the spirit of the moment or occasion they are yours to keep.
They don’t belong to the relationship or the friendship. They are there to hopefully enhance it.
If down the road, whether it be weeks or months, it does not come together that does not diminish what was once there.
On the other hand, I can respect a woman who may feel hesitant about accepting whether it is due to her standards or past experiences.
That just means she just does not know quite well yet to understand how I roll.

Celisea

August 15th, 2011
10:07 am

Morning,

gifts are gifts. they should not be given on condition of anything other than making the receiver happy. personally, returning a gift i’ve given to you (no matter what the reason) would offend me.

Exactly czBrat, exactly. Any gift given to a love or that special someone is just that. So we don’t make…..what, you want the gift back? Who does that? IMO, that lacks maturity and the ability to gracefully move on.

I’ve been in and have read opinions on here before as it relates to “the ring” but ut uh. You gave it, it’s mine. I still have mine. It was a gift and symbol of what was…during that time.

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
10:16 am

the wooing process can be very expensive.
Button The wooing simping process can be very expensive.

On-topic: I don’t give gifts with the expectation of getting back. If I gave it to you, then you can do whatever you want with it. Same is true of any gift you give to me.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
10:18 am

simping, wooing, no matter how you slice it, you still have to spend money to date. How much you spend depends on you and your pocket.

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
10:20 am

I never really keep any gifts after the breakup though. I like to get rid of everything and start new.

i'm swiss™

August 15th, 2011
10:25 am

Morning, Blogville.

On topic: I tend to agree with Randy that extravagant gifts — intentionally or not — tend to lead to expectations. That said, a gift is a gift. If you’re going to expect it back if things turn for the worse, then you shouldn’t have given it in the first place.

Now, more importantly…

Blog Tennis Update: 3rd round playoff match — 6-0, 6-4 Swiss. :-D Dude was solid, and played an aggressive serve & volley style that would have been really effective against most everyone else at this level. Unfortunately for him, he was playing me. :-D In the first set, he tried to come in behind every serve & I had about a hundred return winners. Second set, he backed off the serve & volley & did a better job of mixing it up & giving me different looks, but on the big points he kept trying to go back to his bread & butter & I kept eating his lunch. :-D And he even brought his family with him to watch the beat down. I felt a little bad. But not really. :lol:

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
10:26 am

simping, wooing, no matter how you slice it, you still have to spend money to date. How much you spend depends on you and your pocket.
Leggs What, it doesn’t cost any money to woo. You can do that with conversation alone. Matter of fact, call me, and I’ll show you. ;-) I get you though. Just don’t understand why people feel they need to spend lots of money to win someone over. Just show the person a fun and interesting time…if it costs it costs; if it doesn’t it doesn’t.

BlackMagicWoman...in NYC

August 15th, 2011
10:41 am

Hey I say gift is nothing but and acronym for “Given In Faith Trinket”! So I do not want a gift back that I give. Obviously if I am giving a big enough gift to you, I felt you were worth it at that time. Granted, I would not buy such extravant gifts that I would want it back after we split.

Oh girl must have done something right, dude gave her a car. I don’t care if it was not that hard because he owned a dealership. But it wasn’t free to him. So whatever she did…she and Khloe Kardashian should write a book on how they got the dudes to act right! :lol: I’d buy that on Pre-order.

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
10:42 am

Morning All!

I’m with Wise, I’d have been uncomfortable accepting it in the first place. If I was having a hard time and need transportation and he had a dealership, then I’d maybe accept a great “deal” on the car so I could actually do the purchasing.

I was brought up not to accept extravagant gifts from men I dated. My mom explained it for precisely most of the reasons Randyt gave. I’m talking cars, high end electronics and expensive jewelry, etc. I don’t care if he’s Bill Gates or Steve Jobs & whatever he bought was a drop in the bucket, my principles still stood.

Yeah, it makes things WAY too complicated to start messing with that kind of money and you aren’t even married. Especially when I don’t have the means to reciprocate in kind.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
10:43 am

Hey DreamsM. Sorry, buddy, but it does take $$ to woo. Perhaps, not ALL THE TIME, but you best believe SOME OF THE TIME.

Come over to me and I’ll show you! I’m with you too, you don’t have to spend lots of money to have a good time.

abc

August 15th, 2011
10:43 am

A girlfriend once bought me a very expensive painting. After the relationship tanked, I didn’t want it around, even though it was quite beautiful. I didn’t want to communicate with her at all, even in terms of returning it, so I took it to the artist who created it and gave it back to her.

But, gifts are gifts, if you feel like giving one, the cost shouldn’t matter much. Likewise, a gifts cost shouldn’t matter that much to the recipient.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
10:44 am

“Given In Faith Trinket”! – Damn, BMW…I likes!

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
10:44 am

When dating, I always gave gifts from the heart and within my means. Nothing I needed to get back if we broke up. That’s just tacky.

Button

August 15th, 2011
10:46 am

Dreams you don’t have to spend a lot of money to have a good time but, you do have to have or at least have your finances in order when you’re dating.

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
10:47 am

Now Leggs, you didn’t expect your boy toy to bear gifts did you? ;-)

BlackMagicWoman...in NYC

August 15th, 2011
10:50 am

LEGGS…thank ya…thank ya kindly! :lol:

Celisea

August 15th, 2011
10:55 am

Nothing suxs worst than “free dates” alllll the dang time. Yes, sometimes let’s get and be creative but sometimes danggit show me I’m worth it…lol I can’t do a brother ALWAYS wanting to be creative and NEVER wanting to spend money. Sometimes, just sometimes, woo me…danggit…lol Heck I ain’t got it LIKE THAT to spend money all the time but ummm, I got a problem if all you do is want to finger paint on the living room floor or arts and crafts while you throw together something yummy. NO CAN DO. I wanna step out sometime.

Celisea

August 15th, 2011
10:58 am

For me though….free dates all the time will get axed real quick.

No seriously, I think it tends to send the wrong message if you start out leading with your wallet, but nothing or no one will have to dictate to you (woman or man) when to step it up and do something nice “just because.” Those sort of gestures are natually and instinctively done.

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
10:58 am

@ DM re: “I never really keep any gifts after the breakup though. I like to get rid of everything and start new.”

My last LTR used to throw away everything I gave her every time we had a fight. We’d make up a week or two later and I’d find out that everything had gone in the trash again. I never let on, but frankly that sometimes really hurt.

Angel

August 15th, 2011
11:01 am

I give him joy -he gives me gifts :)

Button

August 15th, 2011
11:03 am

hehehehe @ Angel

Button

August 15th, 2011
11:05 am

Celisea is there really such a thing as a free date? there’s absolutely no way around not spending money when you go out on a date, even if it’s a house date you’ll still end up dishing out some dough. jmo…

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
11:08 am

Good morning, all. Hope you all had a lovely weekend.

Congrats to Swiss! :)

Not going to bother retyping my original post that the blog beast ate. Summation: If I’m giving you a gift, it’s because I want you to have it. There is no expectation that you reciprocate or return it if things don’t work out.

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
11:09 am

Celisea – This is another reason why I’ve never been comfortable accepting a date from a guy I’m not interested in just for a free meal. Mom always said nothing is free.

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
11:09 am

@ Celisea re: “when to step it up and do something nice “just because.”

Last week my lady friend took her daughter to college. I was out of town but I casually asked where she was going to be staying and she said the Marriott. Since I sometimes spend a hundred nights a year in marriotts, they tend to accomodate me on things, so I called the Marriott she was going to be staying in and asked if they could find a cheap couple of roses to just surprise her. They literally went out and got a few roses in a small bud vase and had the restaurant there make up some strawberries dipped in chocolate and take them to her room. No note or anything. $25 on my Amex and a lot of brownie points.

Surpise is sometimes greater than $$$.

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
11:10 am

Randyt – You’re a class act.

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
11:12 am

Thx kimmie but have stunk it up a bunch too ;-)

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
11:16 am

Seems like no one is gonna admit to have given gifts to those that they are involved with….I ain’t scared to say it…I have given gifts and on a few occasions, they have reached a level that I would consider expensive, and most likely will continue to do so in the future. I have been very fortunate in alot of ways, and I have no issue with sharing my good fortune with those that I spend social time with….sometimes its as simple as “trinket” when we are at the mall or as big as a vacation….I never “keep score” when I date, But I quickly lose intrest when it starts to feel like a chore of like she is expecting things…Thats where I draw the line….And depending on what it is, If she wants to give it back…I’ll take it…:)

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
11:17 am

@ Simple Man

Well stated.

Button

August 15th, 2011
11:19 am

:wink: @ Simple Man

Button

August 15th, 2011
11:25 am

lol @ a cheap couple of roses–Randyt u sir are a mess!

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
11:28 am

Simple – Sounds like you’re a class act too. Because few things are more irritating than dating a person that “keeps score”. That’s where the discomfort would come in for me – when I knew I could not reciprocate and I had a feeling he was keeping score. The best way to ax that is not accept overly extravagent gifts. But to be honest, I never really had this “problem” because, while I’ve recieved some nice things on Christmas or birthdays from men, nothing approached a car or the like. I’ve gotten nice perfume sets, small jewelry pieces, nice clothing articles, small electronics, probably nothing over $300 when I think back.

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
11:28 am

co-signing Kimmie’s 11:10. Well done, Randyt. :)

And depending on what it is, If she wants to give it back…I’ll take it…
And then what? I would be at a loss as to what to do with a returned gift….

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
11:31 am

Dreams you don’t have to spend a lot of money to have a good time but, you do have to have or at least have your finances in order when you’re dating.
Button There’s a ton of people out there dating without their finances in order. You mean “you SHOULD have your finances in order…”. Right? A guy taking you to a five-star and driving a 7-Series doesn’t mean his finances are in order.

I got a problem if all you do is want to finger paint on the living room floor
Celisea Dang you make being “creative” sound very geigh. LOL

BlackMagicWoman...in NYC

August 15th, 2011
11:35 am

KIMMIE…like you, I have always felt uncomfortable with accepting gifts from guys. I feel like they feel you owe them something. Hell I hate asking for help in any aspect. I do not like being indebt to anyone! Nor do I want what someone did for me thrown in my face at their convenience.

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
11:40 am

I hate asking for help in any aspect. I do not like being indebt to anyone! Nor do I want what someone did for me thrown in my face at their convenience.

BMW – Bingo! Honey, I will live on peanut butter sandwiches and water first!

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
11:42 am

I hate asking for help in any aspect. I do not like being indebt to anyone! Nor do I want what someone did for me thrown in my face at their convenience.

AMEN!!! I’ll live on ramen first.

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
11:43 am

ITL..depending on what it is, There is always a place for it…case in point…Few years ago, I went to get my watch for the Jewelry store that was doing the service on it… A lady I was dating happened to be with and I noitce her admiring a pair of earings while I was finishing my business…Few days later, I purcahsed them for her…..Fast forward a few months, we part comapany and she sends them back to me…..I have them on right now…….. :D

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
11:44 am

@RandyT ~ yep. My boy toy knows the deal.

That was definitely classy, RandyT! She was beaming from ear to ear. We women love thoughtful things like that!

@swiss ~ GOOD JOB on your tennis match!

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
11:52 am

Leggs – You are right, we ladies(I know I do) LOVE thoughtfulness! Does not have to cost a lot, but it means so much. Not just throwing out money cause you got it like that, but really doing something nice to brighten my day.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
11:53 am

Depends on the gift and depends on the climate of the break up.

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
12:00 pm

Not just throwing out money cause you got it like that, but really doing something nice to brighten my day.

And it doesn’t even have to be a gift that costs money. I remember going in the kitchen to get dinner started, and then coming back in the living room to ask the X Factor a question and noticing he was gone. I found him outside washing my car. When I asked him why, he said he didn’t want me riding around in a dirty car. :)

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
12:02 pm

Thoughtfulness is so so SEXY…Definitely a panty dropper!

Celisea

August 15th, 2011
12:04 pm

Button – Not really…I agree with you

Randyt – Awwwww, that’s how you get it down

Kimmie – Exactly.

Simple – I ain’t scared to say it…I have given gifts and on a few occasions, they have reached a level that I would consider expensive, and most likely will continue to do so in the future

Nothing wrong with doing what you like to do. Don’t let folks call it “simping” because it’s your thing to do nice things :)

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
12:04 pm

Light – See, stuff like that is what I’m talking about!! :)

Celisea

August 15th, 2011
12:05 pm

Dreams – Nothing geigh about finger painting….when it’s with the kids but a date idea? Nuh uh :)

Blackfoote: The Real Blackfoote

August 15th, 2011
12:11 pm

Gifts say I’m thinking, caring about you. Give and forget that’s the only way I know how to give. I’m an avid blood donor, I give the gift of life there’s no money involved just my time it takes to donate. So who does this precious fluid goes to no one I know of and it doesn’t matter whether I know, it’s a gift.

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
12:11 pm

Simple – Just like I didn’t like accepting extravagent gifts, I didn’t give them either – I’ve never had it like that. But I have gone out of my way or gone a little over my budget on gifts for a guy, only to have us break up not long after or eventually. I never asked for or expected the gifts or gestures back. I don’t feel put out or bad about what I gave, because I never went overboard. If I had to do it all over, I would. I am a generous person. Not afraid or embarassed to admit it at all.

Luckily too, the man I was most generous with became my husband.

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
12:12 pm

Dreams – Nothing geigh about finger painting….when it’s with the kids but a date idea? Nuh uh
Celisea hahaha I don’t know why, but your post gave the visual of a dude barefoot, wearing capris, reciting poetry.

Blackfoote: The Real Blackfoote

August 15th, 2011
12:20 pm

Gifts are a wonder of fullfilment for some people, they meaning underpriviledged persons a gift may feel like a full stomach, something that brought joy in their life, a moment they can cherish.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
12:24 pm

@Blackfoote ~ I need you to speak English (lol).

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
12:24 pm

Thoughtfulness is definitely smexy (smart + sexy) in a man. I like to do thoughtful things for others just because. The smile on someone’s face when you go out of your way to do something you didn’t have to do is priceless. And, even if you don’t see the reaction…just knowing that you made someone’s day a little brighter than it might normally have been is a warm fuzzy.

Same applies for giving gifts. The budget might not allow for extravagance, but I’m going to put enough thought into it that you know you were on my mind when I selected it.

Blackfoote: The Real Blackfoote

August 15th, 2011
12:30 pm

Gifts for your girl/boyfriend tells the other I’m all for you. If there is a break up let it go leave it be, something is else always coming around the corner. I wouldn’t want anything back I gave as a gift, and if they wanted to give it back I would tell them to donate it in their name or leave it where somebody can find it.

Blackfoote: The Real Blackfoote

August 15th, 2011
12:34 pm

Leggs:
I’ve been trying to do that since second grade, I don’t have down it in all these years it aint coming….LOL

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
12:37 pm

Too funny, BF. I like messing with you!

Blackfoote: The Real Blackfoote

August 15th, 2011
12:42 pm

You spotted my “is else always” phrase, my mind is thinking that way and it is a shame when I type it…..LOL

Blackfoote: The Real Blackfoote

August 15th, 2011
12:53 pm

Just noticed it wasn’t that phrase it was something else I wrote. I’ll have plenty of time to figure it at the Step.

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
1:08 pm

So Warren Buffet told Congress to stop “coddling the rich”. He said in the same statement that the taxes he paid amounted to 17% of his taxable income, which is half of what most people pay.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:11 pm

Dreams…I am sure Buffet is free to write a check to the federal government. Hmmmm 17% of his income is how much??? And what percentage of Americans pay 0 in federal income tax?

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
1:24 pm

When “rope chains” were popular, I bought one for the guy I was dating. Something told me to hold off on giving it to him. 2 weeks after purchasing it, I saw him cuddled up with some chick during my lunch hour. I went over and said hello and introduced myself. The look on his eyes told me all I needed to know. The stammering that night when he called left me laughing at him. So I wore the necklace myself. I later let another man wear it, and when we broke up after him trying to throw me in a dirty pool of green water cuz he was upset with me, I snatched it from around his neck and made a mad dash to my car! Yep, I sho did….

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
1:25 pm

UGA, You can’t be OK with folks like Buffet paying 17 or 18% when so many people in that earn in the middle class pay taxes in the 25% range or so….I know you have heard the story of his 60k secretary paying 30% while he only pays less than 18%…

cba

August 15th, 2011
1:29 pm

Buffet’s 17% = 6.9million $. He said the average person in his office paid 36%.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:30 pm

Simple….this when the top 5% (like Buffet) pays over 90% of the federal income tax for the United States. How many people to the top wager earners in our country employ? How much do they pay in taxes?

The sad truth is that if you raise taxes substantially on those who create jobs they are more likely to move their operation over seas, cut jobs or fold the company all together. Now that doesnt seem like a smart thing to do during a recession does it?

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:30 pm

cba…….your point?

cba

August 15th, 2011
1:32 pm

I read the article and was stating the facts.

czBrat

August 15th, 2011
1:33 pm

I snatched it from around his neck and made a mad dash to my car!

lawd! my girl is just gangsta! LOL you know you just reminded me of an unfortunate incident at a city park when i was 10, right?

let’s not drift down NYC memory lane again though. :lol:

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:35 pm

cba…..ok, I am still waiting on what point you were attempting to make?

For Real

August 15th, 2011
1:36 pm

UGA: That 51% of Americans don’t pay taxes statement is wrong. What the CBO said was in 2009 51% of Americans didn’t pay “Income Tax”. That 51% figure varies from year to year. However, those people did pay payroll taxes i.e. SS and Medicare. 20% of those who did not pay “Income Taxes” are elderly and the remaining percentage make less than 20k per year. The point Dreams and Mr. Buffet is making is that super wealthy do no pay the same percentage at less well off Americans which isn’t fair.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:37 pm

For Real….when did I say 51%? I never did.

cba

August 15th, 2011
1:37 pm

UGA read the article because Buffet dispute the BS about how increasing the tax on the super rich hampers their investments. You can hear this ish on Boortz everyday.

For Real

August 15th, 2011
1:39 pm

UGA: No they do not pay “over 90% the federal income tax”, they pay 68% of the total receipts as of 2009 but they also make 63% of all the money in the US.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:39 pm

For Real….so again I ask you. Is it fair that you and I pay 35% (estimate) of our income to the federal government while nearly 50% of americans pay ZERO?

You mention the word “fair” what does that word mean to you?

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
1:40 pm

@czB ~ please lets drift and get off Buffet.

I knew I could outrun him and only the driver’s side door was unlocked. Purse already in car. I got the hell out of dodge….screech……..

Tell your story.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:42 pm

For Real….the top 50% pays over 96% of all of the taxes….what about the lower 50%???

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
1:42 pm

And for the record UGA…Lloyd Blankfien and his 54 Million dollar wallstreet salary does little to improve the unemployment rate in this country….

For Real

August 15th, 2011
1:44 pm

UGA: No you didn’t say that and I didn’t attribute that statement to you. I simply corrected your “No Taxes” statement with what the CBO reported for 2009. As to your question of “How many people to the top wager earners in our country employ?” – First do you understand that a “top wage earner” and “Corporation” are not one in the same?

czBrat

August 15th, 2011
1:46 pm

I knew I could outrun him and only the driver’s side door was unlocked. Purse already in car.
i do believe that qualifies as a premeditated mugging.

nevermind my story. how bout you explain that you “let another man wear it”. i take it dude would have been misguided to think it was a gift? LMAO.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:47 pm

Simple Man……Great job Mr. Blankfien…..job well done.

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
1:48 pm

UGA, thats the oldest lamest presentation trick in the book…the top pays teh bulk in dollars, But please tell us what percent of the INCOME DO THEY MAKE????? If I made 200K and pay 10%, Is it fair to aske for simpathy from the guy that makes 30K and pays 15%???? I pay But the percentage has the dude on the low end catching the High hard one every time……

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:49 pm

For Real…..so you think those who run our top corporations are in the lower income bracket? Really? I would say 99.999999% of all corporation CEO’s, CFO’s, CIO’s are “top wage” earners. Care to bet?

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:50 pm

Simple Man……It depends…..Do you that make $30K per year employ anyone or create jobs? However typically if you make $200k you may be responsible in creating jobs. You still have not answered the question about those who pay ZERO!

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
1:51 pm

@ Leggs

Do you let the boy toy wear your chains now (I’m sorry but I can’t let this boy toy thing go, its funny and easy to visualize Mrs. Robinson).

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:51 pm

Simple…..Also if I am a CEO of a company who produces goods for the middle and lower class. You raise my taxes, what do you think I am going to do? Who do you think ends up paying those taxes?

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
1:51 pm

“i do believe that qualifies as a premeditated mugging.” ~ you know, you definitely have a point there (lol).

He knew it wasn’t a gift. It was trinket on loan!

For Real

August 15th, 2011
1:57 pm

UGA: Are you saying the CEO’s, CFO’s and CIO’s hire people with the salaries that get from the corporations? I hope not.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
1:58 pm

For Real….did I say that?

For Real

August 15th, 2011
2:00 pm

UGA: You stated that the “top wage earner” create jobs and I said that corporation create jobs. Which one do you believe create jobs? Top Wage Earners or Corporations

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
2:01 pm

OK..UGA..Let me see if I can get you to understand this…..In this country, The top 20% of income earners control 93% of the total wealth!!! 93 %!!!!!!!! The notion that these folks will somehow suffer if they are asked to pay an additional say 3 or 4% is frankly speaking insulting. Today teh average CEO earns 310 times that of his average worker…310 times!!!! until you can explain that desaparity any point you can make is moot……

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
2:02 pm

For Real……Typically what position do “top wage” earners hold. Are they assembly workers or are they a little higher up the chain?

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
2:02 pm

Simple…..I will be happy to explain that, when you can tell me what 49% of Americans pay ZERO Federal income tax.

For Real

August 15th, 2011
2:05 pm

UGA: I do not dispute that the “top wage earners” are the CEO etc… but you fail to answer my question. Who create jobs, top wage earners or corporations?

For Real

August 15th, 2011
2:07 pm

“when you can tell me what 49% of Americans pay ZERO Federal income tax.” – I know you asked Simple but here they are:

elderly
poor (20k/yr)
wealthy (thru tax loopholes)

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
2:12 pm

For Real….also answer me this. In the history of the USA when have we EVER raised taxes on anyone during a recesssion.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
2:12 pm

Wealth envy is ever growing….ignorance must be bliss.

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
2:20 pm

UGA…On the real bru…I make a absolutely wonderful 6 figure income…..I promise you, there is no envy here of any kind…..But when our country is being raped by those at the top of the food chain those of us that can see whats going on have a duty to speak on it….

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
2:21 pm

an absolutly = a absolutely

For Real

August 15th, 2011
2:22 pm

UGA: Who create jobs, top wage earners or corporation?

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
2:22 pm

Sorry to crash the party in the men’s corner, but I have a question. UGA, I don’t understand your argument but I would like to. You’re saying that most people who make over $200K are responsible for creating jobs (which is inaccurate, but that’s beside the point) and that if you tax them more, it will be passed along in the price of goods and lead to jobs being cut, businesses being closed and moving overseas. My question is, how does increasing taxes on a CEOs personal income to be better aligned with the percentages that the average Joe pays cause the mayhem you described?

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
2:23 pm

and for the record the ressession officially ended in the summer of 2010…

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
2:26 pm

Pssst, Simple….

For Real

August 15th, 2011
2:28 pm

UGA: In the history of the USA when have we EVER raised taxes on anyone during a recesssion. – Tell me what you think a recession is first then I can answer your question.

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
2:30 pm

Hey Leggs…. GREAT story. I could picture you yanking that chain and doing the turbo scram. :) And I don’t think it was premeditated at all – his threat to push you in a nasty green pool makes it self-defense. Or at the worst involuntary chain slaugther. :lol:

For Real

August 15th, 2011
2:30 pm

UGA: And you never answered my question. Also, what give with the wealth envy and ignorance is bliss comment?

cba

August 15th, 2011
2:31 pm

What I find amusing is those people who earn 75K or 100K and they consider themselves wealthy.
As one blogger posted on the Buffet article, if you are paying alot in taxes ( I mean absolute not %) you are making alot of money. And yes, UGA, I think you should make all the money your ability allows and pay not one penny more in taxes than required.

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
2:31 pm

ITL….whats good????

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
2:33 pm

Involuntary chain slaughter…you are straight stoopid!

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
2:33 pm

cba, who said anything about 75 or 100k being wealthy????

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
2:34 pm

Simp: Me.

But what I was gonna ask was if I could come sit by you in the mens lounge…. ;)

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
2:37 pm

The fact is I believe that taxes should be raised very minimally on the ultra wealthy. However we have to fix our system and have the lower 49% pay something in taxes.

The federal government has to cap spending and make cuts in areas that can save sufficient amounts of revenue.

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
2:38 pm

Girl, I was hoping you would see that. I was cracking myself up on that one.

Judge: Madam foreperson, have you reached a verdict?
Me: Yes, your honor
Judge (to Leggs): Will the defendant please rise? (to ITL): Madam foreperson, how do you find?
Me: Oh, judge, she’s not guilty all the way. Didn’t you hear her say he was gonna push her in a nasty pool? Do you have any idea what nasty chlorine can do to your hair? Not to mention that other stuff. Oh, no. She can go free. And he needs to pay restitution.

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
2:38 pm

“The wealthiest man is not the man that has the most, but the one who needs the least”

For Real

August 15th, 2011
2:39 pm

Did UGA ever answer any of the questions posed to him or did he simply create new questions for each question that was asked of him?

Simple fix to the tax problem:

1. lower the rate down 16%
2. eliminate all current corporate and individual tax breaks
3. issue tax breaks for corporations to hire and tie those tax breaks to number of new hires and layoffs.

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
2:39 pm

However we have to fix our system and have the lower 49% pay something in taxes.

@UGA: Do you know any good Billy Preston songs?

cba

August 15th, 2011
2:39 pm

Simple, I was speaking of UGA comment about wealth envy.
Also, according to the government, the recession ended summer 2009.

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
2:41 pm

Come on over darlin,…There is always a place for a cutie like you at my table… :)

UGA do those cuts include Defense and corporate subsidies???? What about foriegn aid????

For Real

August 15th, 2011
2:43 pm

UGA: Again you keep saying that 49% don’t pay federal taxes and that just not true. If they have a job they pay payroll taxes which is Social Security and Medicare. They also may pay state & local taxes as well.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
2:47 pm

cba…you believe that lie when unemployment is still around 9% and our credit rating was just downgraded by S&P for the first time in history…..dude, open your eyes and quit relying on what this government tells you. The recession is over hahaah….thats great.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
2:47 pm

For Real…having a hard time reading today? I said “FEDERAL INCOME TAX”! WOW.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
2:47 pm

Yes indeed. He needs to pay restitution for making me run as fast I did. I was scared for my life (lol).

For Real

August 15th, 2011
2:53 pm

UGA: “However we have to fix our system and have the lower 49% pay something in taxes.” – Nope not having a hard time reading at all. Speaking of unemployment, Reagan raised taxes 7 times during his term with unemployment at 10%.

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
2:53 pm

Get me on the jury, girl! I’ll make sure you get a great settlement. :)

See, I was trying to be cute with my Billy Preston remark, and now I have the song stuck in my head. That’ll teach me…. “Nothin’ from nothin’ leaves nothin’……”

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
2:54 pm

Hey Leggs…let’s go sit at Simple’s table….. :)

kimmie

August 15th, 2011
2:54 pm

4 Real – Let him have it, not worth it – check him out on Barr’s blog today.

By the way, did you see Breaking Bad last night?

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
2:56 pm

For Real….FANTASTIC THAT YOU BRING UP REAGAN. Another misled truth you just mentioned. Unemployment was NEVER at 10% under Reagan. The highest they hit was 9.5% in 1982 and 1983, his second and third year. However when he left office unemployment was at 5.2%. Great job RONNIE!!! God bless him.

cba

August 15th, 2011
2:58 pm

UGA, I said ACCORDING to the government. Guess what, I totally agree with you. Hell, I think we might be closer to a depression.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
3:02 pm

@ITL, but he’s carrying on a convo with the one blogger who loves to stir up things! Sure, he thinks he’s educating us on topics we’re too dumb to know ourselves. I’m staying on the monkey bars cuz I wanna play….

Camilla

August 15th, 2011
3:02 pm

Where is Barr’s blog??

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
3:03 pm

Kimmie, you and 4Real have piqued my curiosity about Breaking Bad. I was going to watch it OnDemand this weekend, but all they had were the Season 4 episodes, and I’m the kinda girl that likes to start from the beginning. I’ll have to see if I can find Seasons 1-3 so I can catch up.

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
3:05 pm

oooohhhh kkkkaaaayyyy, Leggs. :( Kimmie’s trying to get For Real to come out and play, too, if his mom says it’s okay. I’m working on a “For Real” mask to glue on a certain someone, and then I’m gonna tell Shelley where she can find him.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
3:05 pm

@Camilla, past MIA and go further down the page. You’ll see it there.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:06 pm

Leggs…..your point?

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
3:10 pm

UGA You were teh first to use the term recession which is in fact defined as two consecutive quaters of negative growth in GDP…..Since last summer we have not had those conditions met….You you can complain..Hell, we will all complain about the state of the economy, but don’t try to hustle around YOUR TERM….You put it out there, now DANCE with it…..

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:15 pm

Simple Man…..and? Also please attempt to use English in your posts.

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
3:17 pm

Leggs, ITL, can I come play with you ladies….Hannity won’t let UGA speak for himself…….

For Real

August 15th, 2011
3:18 pm

Kimmie: I will.. UGA doesn’t want to discuss because he thinks he is educating. And yes I did see Breaking Bad. Chicken Man is “the Man” in how he is getting Jessie to do what he wants. Oh and I still Hate Skyler.

UGA: You have not answered one question that was posed to you. You mentioned Reagan and unemployment not being 10% but 9.5% which is still higher than the current unemployment rate but that’s not my point Reagan raised taxes 7 times during his term with unemployment at 9.5% to answer your earlier question of when was the last time taxes was raised during a recession. But I know you are not going to answer, just ask another question.

ITL: With Breaking Bad you have to start at the beginning or you will be lost. And that Shelley comment hurt.

For Real now getting a reverse church hug from ITL.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:21 pm

For Real….please if you are going to react to my posts read them ALL. I posted earlier that I am for raising taxes on the wealthy if you are going to address those at the bottom who pay 0 Federal Income Tax. I am all for a flat tax as well.

I Wonder

August 15th, 2011
3:24 pm

UGA1999 is an admitted racist according to his remarks. I wonder what his point is on blog where most are blacks? I wonder what his point is at his attempts to speak sexually to the sisters on here? I wonder if he thought every one here never frequent other blogs? I wonder I wonder

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
3:25 pm

I”m having another waldrobe malfunction and I know it’s not because I’m losing weight. I have on an ankle length skirt, but it won’t stay on me. It keeps sliding down every time I walk. I’ve checked the elastic band and it seems intact, but I think it’s loosening up. BRB, need to go find a safety pin so I don’t embarrass myself and walk right out my skirt….

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:26 pm

I Wonder….THERE IT IS!! Because I do not bow down to Obama I am a racist!! hahah great job! Typical ignorance!

I Wonder

August 15th, 2011
3:28 pm

UGA I wonder why you’re here? Always an attempt at proving a point. Any idiot can sit back and point out errors. Answer the questions that are being posed and stop taking potshots at people.

I suggest every one read Barr’s blog and UGA1999’s comments. Isn’t it something how behind the screen people show their true feelings. I bet he’s got black neigghbors and smiling in their faces all the while. What a coward to speak so vehemently behind the screen.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
3:28 pm

@IWonder ~ you do have a following!!!

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:29 pm

WOW you post a post like that and I am the “racist”? Please do go to the Barr blog.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
3:29 pm

5,4,3,2,1….only a matter of time before President Obama’s name came up!

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
3:32 pm

you believe that lie when unemployment is still around 9% and our credit rating was just downgraded by S&P for the first time in history
UGA You mean the same S&P that gave Enron a AAA rating all the way until it actually folded? Or do you mean that S&P that gave AAA ratings to billions worth of subprime mortgage-backed securities? Also, no matter how we spin it, there is no person who could have stopped unemployment from going to 10%, and there is no person who could have it be significantly lower than it is right now. The economy is more robust than any one president. Also, it absolutely IS the case that unemployment reached 10.8% under Reagan. Actually, it was greater than 10% for 10 months (Sep. 1982 through June 1983). To my original point about taxes, I am for fair taxation, meaning that income-earners ought to be paying the same percentage of their income. People ought not be paying zero taxes, whether they’re top or lower wage earners. If I’m paying 30%, then so should everyone else. All Warren Buffet was saying is that he’s prepared to do his part by paying his fair share, and he believes others should be willing too.

For Real

August 15th, 2011
3:38 pm

Just read Barr’s blog.

Lord Velonese

August 15th, 2011
3:40 pm

Sooooo, How do I return sex?

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
3:41 pm

Also please attempt to use English in your posts.
This is an Ad Hominem argument, which is by definition a logical fallacy.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:42 pm

Just because Buffet says they should be paying more in taxes doesnt mean they should. It is one mans opinion. And I am sorry the president has a HUGE impact on the employment rate in our economy. Do you own a business?

It is funny that I hear you guys now saying that Obama cannot control spending or unemployment. You guys sure were singing a different tune when he was running for office.

c

August 15th, 2011
3:43 pm

Enter your comments here

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
3:44 pm

That is a damn shame the way people talk about other folk. Wish this was the wild wild west so I can challenge a few to a dual…..clean shot right between the eyes!!

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
3:44 pm

@ DM re: “To my original point about taxes, I am for fair taxation, meaning that income-earners ought to be paying the same percentage of their income. People ought not be paying zero taxes, whether they’re top or lower wage earners”

My feelings…flat tax top to bottom, no exceptions nor loopholes of any kind, so no one can say anyone is not paying their fair share. I pay a lot of taxes (high income single taxpayer with no dependents), but I don’t mind paying MORE if everyone else, rich or poor, is doing the same. And then all would have an equal stake in what the government is spending…good or bad.

Also, lower taxes and remove all loopholes on corporate taxes, making it a level playing field that encourages growth in all sectors not just a choice few.

Right now we have a tax system that encourages everyone to try to have everyone else but them screwed.

Celisea

August 15th, 2011
3:44 pm

LOLOL….leave it to Dreams. That’s right you tell him.

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
3:44 pm

UGA..You guys who?????

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:45 pm

Leggs…see always reverting to violence….

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:46 pm

Simple Man…..Lets see…..what do you think I meant by the term “you guys”?

Celisea

August 15th, 2011
3:47 pm

The power to ignore carries so much more umph than entertaining ignorance. :)

I Wonder

August 15th, 2011
3:47 pm

I wonder why UGA1999??

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
3:48 pm

But then my political affiliation is a “Jeffersonian Anarchist”…”the government that governs best, is the one that governs least”. ;-)

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:49 pm

Randyt…..AMEN!

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
3:49 pm

@UGA ~ yep, but you do know speaking about violence and actually participating in violene are two entirely different things!

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
3:49 pm

UGA…thats why I asked..I want you to have every chance to clarify your remark…..

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:50 pm

Leggs….actually no…..if you are speaking of it and condoning it you may as well be doing it yourself.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:51 pm

Simple Man….there is no need to clarify the remark.

Lady Strange

August 15th, 2011
3:51 pm

The Fair Tax

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
3:51 pm

Still wrong, UGA!

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:53 pm

Leggs…..really…..read the laws and then come back to me. Speaking or threatening someone is STILL illegal. Standing on a podium and trying to get someone else to be violent is also a crime.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:54 pm

Lady Strange…I would be fine with that.

cba

August 15th, 2011
3:55 pm

UGA, did you listen to your boy Boortz this morning?

Lord Velonese

August 15th, 2011
3:56 pm

UGA 1999 wrote:
“Leggs….actually no…..if you are speaking of it and condoning it you may as well be doing it yourself.”

We got a smart one here, because thats very true.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:56 pm

cba….why do you call him “my boy”? Isn’t that the same comment Mr. Sharpton got so upset about last week?

For Real

August 15th, 2011
3:57 pm

“Time to take up your arms. We will not sit back and let this become Greece or London.”

“I like the parasite comparison….because that is EXACTLY what they are!”

“Dose…when did anyone associate black people with the word parasite? Wow you sure are assuming a lot! Great work haha!”

“They try to always become the victim and always seeking that free hand out from the government. I am not saying that only blacks do this….however their leaders provoke it”

“Dose……when did I say a word about blacks in my prior posts?? Got black guilt do ya?”

“Cynthia Tucker is a mindless fool!”

“Devil….you mean like OJ?”

“or Rodney King…..hmmmm what about Barack Obama?”

“Devil….have you been keeping up with the new “Flash Mob” issue? Proud?”

“Saywhat? so you are saying that being poor or disadvantages is an excuse to be violent? Nice thoughts.”

“Devils Advocate….didnt the majority of the white community think Anthony was guilty? So you admit that 98% or more of the eligible black community voted for Obama. HAHA this is too easy.”

“Devil…Talking points? How do you figure….”

“saywhat? So you are saying that good law abidding Americans should pay for the mistakes of a few misguided fools? Great idea hahaha WOW!”

“Thanks for proving my point exactly. Thanks”

“Parasite…..great intelligent post! haha. I wouldn’t have expected less……hahaha”

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
3:59 pm

@UGA ~ let’s put this to rest. I was somewhat joking in my last statement. I am no fool. I know it is illegal to threaten a person whether you harm them or not. I understand you thrive on debating any one on any topic. Keep on doing you! You come across very shady!

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
3:59 pm

For Real…..WOW you did a great job of only selecting which words to include and copy and paste….good job of only presenting half truths…..I am sure you are used to it.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
4:00 pm

Leggs….I come across shady because I do not follow the left wing agenda? WOW you sure assume a lot!

Sassy Me ;-)

August 15th, 2011
4:00 pm

The power to ignore carries so much more umph than entertaining ignorance.

worth repeating…

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
4:02 pm

@Lord, not necessarily smart. I think most people are aware of that.

@ForReal ~ you must have read my mind, because I was going to go back and post some of those asinine comments myself.

cba

August 15th, 2011
4:02 pm

Boortz is not in the same league as OUR President.
I know you listened to that hate he was spewing this morning.

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
4:03 pm

UGA…Please define You Guys….

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
4:03 pm

Assume crap, I have no idea what winged agenda you follow. Shady is as ForReal just posted! That’s shady!

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
4:03 pm

cba…..The same league as OUR president? Hmmmm interesting comment. You know what….you are right. He is not in the same league!

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
4:04 pm

You Guys – A group of people.

IS it really that hard?

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
4:06 pm

“…selecting which words to copy and post….” Now, that’s RICH!

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
4:09 pm

leggs….isn’t it though.

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
4:11 pm

No, it’s rich that you said that, UGA!

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
4:13 pm

Just because Buffet says they should be paying more in taxes doesnt mean they should. It is one mans opinion.
UGA And your opposition to that opinion is also an opinion.

And I am sorry the president has a HUGE impact on the employment rate in our economy.
UGA Not true. If you believe that, then you are severly underestimating the strength and robustness of the US economic system. The economy is harmonic, meaning that it goes through cycles. These cycles will occur, independent of the person in office. The only thing a president can do is attempt to provide an environment such that the peak of the cycle is amplified in good times and the trough of the cycle is minimized in bad times. The extent to which they can do this is actually pretty limited.

You guys sure were singing a different tune when he was running for office.
UGA I’m not exactly sure who “you guys” are, but I don’t subscribe to group dynamics. I’m not a “disciple” of Obama or any other person. I try to objectively apply logical reasoning to the best information that I have. I never thought Obama could prevent unemployment from hitting 10%, but I didn’t think anyone else could either. I’d bet many of the current candidates also believed that…probably the reason they didn’t run in 2008. You have to give it up to the people who had the courage to run in 2008 (both parties). Many knew it was political suicide. The economy will improve slowly over the next few years (part of the cycle), and whoever is in office will receive the credit for that

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
4:14 pm

Dreams…..totally disagree on all points.

cba

August 15th, 2011
4:15 pm

Boortz graduated from a law school that lost it accreditation (Marshall something).
The President graduates from Harvard and the first black to be president of the Harvard Law Review.
But that doesn’t matter to YOU PEOPLE.

Simple Man...

August 15th, 2011
4:15 pm

UGA…I don’t know you and have no desire to, and this is truely out of character for me, But You are a coward…You throw out these lame azz comments but do not have the Balls to stand by them…You have on several occasions posted stuff here that is worthy of the “side eye” but everyone chooses to let it slide…Just for once, stop speaking in code, stop dancing, stand up and say what you have to say….Coward…..

cba

August 15th, 2011
4:16 pm

Let me beat you to: what’s your point? :shock:

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
4:17 pm

Simple….I did….free free to read.

UGA 1999

August 15th, 2011
4:18 pm

Ok, guys I am heading out for the night. I hope you all have a wonderful evening.

cba

August 15th, 2011
4:21 pm

SHOOOOOOO!!!!

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
4:21 pm

Ummmm…..is it safe to come back in here yet??

Sassy Me ;-)

August 15th, 2011
4:21 pm

Random:if you don’t feed animals they usually go away….

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
4:28 pm

Yeah, you’re right, SassyMe. But, sometimes it’s hard.

@SimpleM ~ thanks for calling a spade a spade!

Sassy Me ;-)

August 15th, 2011
4:35 pm

I understand Leggs..usually you guys blow a$$holes like that off(I’m sure it’s still lurking n laughing) but I know sometimes it’s too hard to resist. It’s okay….like I’ve said this has got to be one of the best blogs around when you have folks purposely tryna incite bullisht. Either that or they’re lonely miserable souls with nothing better to do…maybe it’s both I’on know…

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
4:47 pm

This has been a down trodden Monday!

Sassy Me ;-)

August 15th, 2011
4:53 pm

and this,too shall pass…

Leggs

August 15th, 2011
4:56 pm

Well, one person was hipped a long time ago.

Now, we may not know him as a complete person, but we do know some parts to his being! And, it’s not nice!

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
5:02 pm

The biggest problem of the day is that this is not a political blog. We all have ideas/opinions about what works and what doesn’t. this isn’t the forum for it though.

i'm swiss™

August 15th, 2011
5:03 pm

Ugh… Started to try to catch up & now I’m glad I was too busy to read all of this crap.

Too many inaccuracies from 1999 to address today, but if you’re out there, 1999, I’ll try to find time to shed a little light on some things for you tomorrow afternoon.

Randyt (aka, BEEN THERE, DONE THAT, HAVE A CLOSET FULL OF T-SHIRTS)

August 15th, 2011
5:04 pm

Personally I would rather talk about sex (more control over my own destiny and I have more first hand information about what works and what doesnt without talkking heads on any network trying to tell me). lol

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
5:04 pm

Hmmmm, not one counter argument to any of my posts. Only a “Dreams…..totally disagree on all points.” without any support. Most people have predetermined opinions, and they piece together any information they can find to bolster that opinion. The proper approach would be to absorb all of the information you can find, analyze it, and let the results speak for themselves, whether they align with your initial hypotheses or not.

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
5:07 pm

Hey everyone come on back. I didn’t mean to start a debate by posting the Warren Buffet thing. I just thought it was interesting. Let me make it up to the ladies by opening the blog bar…first two drinks on me. Luv ya’ll.

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
5:17 pm

Actually, Dreams, I agreed with almost everything you said. I nearly posted a response to your statement that ad hominem is by definition a logical fallacy, which is not entirely accurate. In light of the other whoppers being thrown around, though, arguing semantics seemed petty and small.

Celisea

August 15th, 2011
5:27 pm

And with all the crap UGA man has projected today, THAT’S why I asked him early on to back up and move on past me. Coming on here “as if” he’s with the flow and really he was searching for a hairline crack the entire time to project his stupidity. Coming on here bragging about all his indiscretions and hanging on to every comment the ladies made so he can find an opportunity to disrespect and take it there.

DreamsMaterialize

August 15th, 2011
5:33 pm

Into the Light
You would be technically correct since the latin means “to the man”. You couldn’t have told me in high school that I would ever need those 4 years of latin. lol Ad Hominem argument is classified as a logical fallacy because it is based on information about the person that is not logically relevant to the argument they are making. The fact that I don’t put down the toilet seat has nothing to do with my argument that you spend too much money. LOL Ok gotta go, but it was refreshing being able to blog again after so long.

Into the Light

August 15th, 2011
5:45 pm

Actually, Dreams, that’s not exactly the distinction I was making. You are absolutely correct on all points except that it can be defined as a logical fallacy. While more often than not the statements are fallacies, occasionally (if you’re dealing with an issue of morals or values, for example) the statement is relevant to the issue being discussed.

And if you leave the toilet seat up, I will spend MORE money! :)