UGA’s path to the BCS title game? It’s not a straight shot
These are the Oregon Ducks. Georgia wouldn't mind seeing them, er, quack up. (AP photo)
The last BCS title game not to include an SEC representative was staged in the Rose Bowl on Jan. 4, 2006, exactly one year before Nick Saban was introduced as Alabama’s new coach. The last BCS title game to include a team from a conference other than the SEC was staged in Glendale, Ariz., on Jan. 10, 2011, and by now you’re sensing where I’m going with this.
Georgia is No. 5 in the BCS standings. If it wins the rest of its games, it will be 12-1 and the SEC champion. Is there any way a 12-1 SEC champion would NOT play for the BCS title?
Yes, this is putting a wobbly cart before a skittish horse. To get to 12-1, the Bulldogs have to beat Auburn, and then Georgia Southern and Georgia Tech, and then would come Alabama. (Provided Alabama doesn’t do something crazy like lose to Texas A&M and Auburn, which it won’t.) Let’s assume Georgia arrives at the Dome on Dec. 1 having lost only once to play the still-unbeaten Crimson Tide, and let’s assume the Bulldogs contrive to topple the mighty men of Saban. What then?
The teams ranked 2-4 in the BCS standings are all unbeaten. It’s possible, if not probable, all will stay that way. Kansas State still must play Texas on Dec. 1, and the Wildcats might have to face TCU this Saturday without quarterback Collin Klein, who suffered a head injury against Oklahoma State. Oregon still must play Stanford and Oregon State, and it could meet USC, which the Ducks just beat 62-51, again in the Pac-12 title game. Notre Dame must play at USC on Nov. 24.
But what if Kansas State, Oregon and Notre Dame — or two of the three — are still undefeated at the close of business Dec. 1? Should a one-loss SEC champ get the nod over any of the above?
For Georgia: Having taken the past six national championships, the SEC has essentially become college football. Only last year we saw an Alabama team that didn’t win its division play for the BCS title, which it won. The Bulldogs could make the argument that other one-loss SEC champs — LSU in 2003, Florida in 2006 and 2008 — and even the two-loss LSU of 2007 have not only qualified for the national championship game but won the thing.
Against Georgia: Undefeated is undefeated, even if you’re not from the SEC. (Or, in Notre Dame’s case, from any league.) And surely there are folks in other precincts who have wearied of SEC domination and would lobby long and loud that somebody else deserves a chance.
Also against Georgia: Its schedule. The Bulldogs have played only two ranked teams, and they lost to one of those by 28 points.
Georgia’s rebuttal: Alabama would make a third ranked opponent, and if the Bulldogs beat an unbeaten Bama they’d have registered victories over a team ranked No. 1 in the BCS standings and another (meaning Florida) that was No. 2.
For our concluding word, we turn to Brad Edwards, who monitors the BCS for ESPN Insider. His verdict: For a 12-1 Georgia to play for the national title, “two of the three undefeated teams ranked above it have to lose.”
That’s it? No SEC-deserves-a-spot groundswell? Said Edwards: “If (Georgia jumping any of the unbeatens) did happen, it would be because of the SEC’s six consecutive championships … (But) I don’t think even a one-loss SEC champ is going to finish ahead of any of those teams. I don’t think any of the teams in the group is considered a fraud. Notre Dame has skeptics, but people still believe it has a championship-caliber defense.”
About Georgia: “You also have the factor of that one loss. If Georgia’s profile were more like Alabama’s last year, where you lost to a top team in overtime and dominated everybody else you played, it might be different.”
What about those one-loss SEC champs who’ve reached the title game? “The difference is, in every case those teams were beating out another one-loss team, or another two-loss team in LSU’s case (in 2007). If those three teams stay undefeated, I really don’t see many voters putting Georgia higher than fourth.”
Edwards’ salient point: No once-beaten team has made the BCS title game ahead of an unbeaten team from any major conference. For all the griping about this screwy system, that much has been a constant: Undefeated is undefeated. (Although tell that to 9-0 Louisville of the Big East, ranked No. 9 in the BCS standings.)
For these unlucky ‘Dogs, just coming close would be more of the same. In 2002, a 12-1 Georgia finished third in the BCS standings, missing the title game because Miami and Ohio State were undefeated. In 2007, the 9-2 Bulldogs were No. 4 in the penultimate rankings, whereupon two teams ahead of them lost; Georgia, however, was passed in the final standings by three two-loss conference champions. And now, after seeing three BCS titles taken by one-loss SEC champs, this might be the one-loss SEC champ that never gets the chance.
Further reading: If you missed the weekly Heat Check (Georgia is mentioned), it can be found here.
By Mark Bradley
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Wet Willie...keep on smiling
November 5th, 2012
7:39 pm
Bama has it’s hands full this week with Texas A&M. Way too early to worry about SECCG.
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
7:43 pm
If UGA defeats A #1 Bama, then the fact that UGA plays in the SEC (the best conference in the nation, hands down) ,and defeated a #1 & a #2, is more impressive than going undefeated against lesser opposition. We are talking about beating a #1&2 people, not almost losing to Pitt at your home in 3 OTs…Get real. You techies don’t deserve a say in this. You can’t beat your way out of a wet paper-sack. WHICH UNDEFEATED TEAM CAN LAY CLAIM TO DEFEATING A #1&2???
OK so you are undefeated, who did you beat??? No f-n body…IF UGA DEFEATS #1&2,,,,,,WHAT ELSE DO THEY HAVE TO PROVE??? It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish. UGA WILL DESERVE A SHOT IF THEY BEAT THE BEST TEAM IN FOOTBALL (ALABAMA) …TECHIES NEED NOT REPLY…
Under The Bleachers
November 5th, 2012
7:45 pm
Got to love people who say : ” so and so was outplayed, but” reminds me of a little kid caught trying to make a point with no real reasoning.
If I were to guess who will end up in the top ten based on what is left on their schedule it would look something like this.
Alabama
Oregon ( they beat USC twice, Oregon St)
Kansas St.- there is no body to play in the Big 8
Florida St- nobody there either, They will spank UF and win ACCCG
LSU- beats Arky,Miss.St. easy road home for a two loss team
USC drifts back in if they beat Clemson, if not Clemson ends up in top 10
Louisville- who will they play that is any good?
Notre Dame but they lose to USC
Stanford- easy road home, no PAC 12 CG to lose to
Georgia may sneak in if they stay close in the SECCG, if not they will teeter around 10 11 12
It is all about your final few games and mainly who you play and when you lose if you lose. Too many average teams and too many teams that have schedules that resemble a JV squad.
Beast from the East
November 5th, 2012
7:50 pm
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
7:43 pm
If UGA defeats A #1 Bama, then the fact that UGA plays in the SEC (the best conference in the nation, hands down) ,and defeated a #1 & a #2, is more impressive than going undefeated against lesser opposition. We are talking about beating a #1&2 people, not almost losing to Pitt at your home in 3 OTs…Get real. You techies don’t deserve a say in this. You can’t beat your way out of a wet paper-sack. WHICH UNDEFEATED TEAM CAN LAY CLAIM TO DEFEATING A #1&2???
OK so you are undefeated, who did you beat??? No f-n body…IF UGA DEFEATS #1&2,,,,,,WHAT ELSE DO THEY HAVE TO PROVE??? It’s not how you start, it’s how you finish. UGA WILL DESERVE A SHOT IF THEY BEAT THE BEST TEAM IN FOOTBALL (ALABAMA) …TECHIES NEED NOT REPLY…
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Take off the red and black glasses for a second and ask yourself if you would make that same argument for any other team in the country that got BLOWN OUT by SC. I certainly wouldn’t.
Eastinfection
November 5th, 2012
7:52 pm
Bradley, you and the delusional dawg fans tickle me so. THUGA shouldn’t even be in the top 10.
Red Stick
November 5th, 2012
7:58 pm
Here’s a Sugar Bowl scenario if Bama beats Georgia:
If Florida beats FSU to finish 11-1 they will be the 2nd highest ranked SEC team and the Sugar would take them.
If Florida loses to FSU and LSU runs the table, the Tigers would be the 2nd highest ranked SEC team and would go to New Orleans.
If Florida and LSU both stumble along the way and SC wins out they would be 10-2 and would likely jump UGA in the rankings and the Sugar takes them.
If Florida, LSU and SC all lose another game then Georgia goes to the Sugar.
I don’t see Florida, SC and LSU all losing another game. At least one of them wins out.
Thus Georgia’s best hope to go to the Sugar is to beat Bama, unless at least 2 of the 3 among Oregon, ND and K State lose a game and they can end up in the BCS title game.
Alot can still happen but this is the way it appears to shake out today.
Geaux Tigers
Go SEC
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
8:00 pm
Happens all the time. That game was eons ago. We had one off night. Since then, UGA can claim to have improved. That is something SC can’t claim. They are DONE without Marcus. Don’t blame you for not liking it, but that is the way it is. Beat the two best teams in the best conference, and your team can claim the same right…We still may, yours can not…
Wet Willie...keep on smiling
November 5th, 2012
8:00 pm
Lets play Jeopardy
Alex Trebek…………1980
Contestant…………..What is UGA football
Just kidding of course..
Flo-ri-duh….sport you really need to let up on the Bama hating man. Nick will be gone in about 6-8 years so just hold on. You do understand this Bama team has only 8 SR’s?
Beast from the East
November 5th, 2012
8:02 pm
Red Sick,
What’s the feeling about Miles after the poor decisions he made Saturday. He had them ready to play and a solid gameplan, but totally mismanaged the in-game decisions, in my opinion.
George
November 5th, 2012
8:02 pm
A colon rather than a question mark should separate the two thoughts in the title of your article.
DawgNole
November 5th, 2012
8:03 pm
Jsonic
November 5th, 2012
6:49 pm
I know none of you UGA fans want to hear it but ND history is what makes them the most popular team in the country!
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Does that fine ND history include their performance against UGA for the 1980 national championship? I’m sure UGA fans would be more than happy to hear about that–as many times as you’d like to repeat it.
Hairy Dawg
November 5th, 2012
8:04 pm
What happened to the “this team is playing the best football in the land” argument that we have heard every year for the argument of why the one or two loss team should get in?? If UGA beats Bama, they would fall into that category with that win capping the run since the SC game…
A 1-loss UGA/SEC Champion team that knocks off the undisputed heavyweight Alabama wouldn’t jump over a Notre Dame team that nearly lost to Pittsburgh AT HOME??!
There’s two of the four knocked out of the equation – Alabama and Notre Dame… Now you’re talking about Oregon and Kansas State and UGA battling for the top two spots… UGA would have to jump K-State if for no other reason bc K-State has no tradition to fall back on, to set up UGA and Oregon…
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
8:06 pm
Beast
I answered you but Bradleys filters are holding it for a couple of minutes. Nothing bad bro, have had a couple held on Bradleys blog lately, but they release them. Not going to write it again…
Rick James
November 5th, 2012
8:07 pm
@Wet Willie…keep on smiling
One more..
Alex Trebek…………Alabama
Contestant…………..What is a team that could not win it division or conference yet backed into a national championship.At which one of its male fans sexually assualted another male LSU fan in the French Quarter section of New Orleans.And another moronic fan took out his frustrations on a grove of trees in Auburn,Alabama.
Beast from the East
November 5th, 2012
8:10 pm
Hairy Dawg,
By that logic, then UGA should be eliminated by almost losing to a miserable Kentucky team that just fired their HC after losing to Vandy 40-0. Winning is all that matters this late in the season. Heck, UF has won ugly all year, yet they are #6 in the BCS.
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Wet Willie...keep on smiling
November 5th, 2012
8:10 pm
Butch Johnson is in the mix for the AU job. The guy that takes that gig has to run the system that the folks behind the curtain support. Either Houston Nutt,Petrino, or Butch will be more than glad to make that 3.5 as well as allow the auburn mafia to do their thing. They do have a problem with the NCAA is done with the preliminary deal with the player out of Memphis. Auburn can’t do anything until this is more clear. The head of the NCAA (Mark) has let it be know he’s done with the risk/reward cheaters. UGA could get a couple of really good recruits before it’s all done including Foster. Give Mark a break on why he did or didn’t take this one or that one since he’s aware of the situation at AU.
I hope UGA hangs 100 on the barn. I know most of the coaches operate on the line with recruiting but the barn is useless. They know they can’t compete with UGA,FSU,LSU,UF, and Bama with recruiting unless the do it like it’s always been done in auburn.
GFJacket
November 5th, 2012
8:11 pm
kingdaddy, a team that got absolutely dominated by a two loss USCe team – - so much so that UGA fans were once again calling for Richt’s demise – - will not get the nod over two undefeated teams. Period. Once again – - if two of Kansas State, Notre Dame, or Oregon are still undefeated at the end of the season, and UGA beats Bama in the SECCG, the SEC Champion will not be in the BCS title game.
DawgNole
November 5th, 2012
8:12 pm
J.C.
November 5th, 2012
7:11 pm
Also, how many SEC teams really care about the National Title Game more than the SEC Championship game?
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I would hope they all do. Can’t believe anyone would rather be a regional champion than a national champion.
GFJacket
November 5th, 2012
8:14 pm
kingdaddy, a team that got absolutely dominated by a two-loss USCe team will not get the nod over two undefeated teams for the BCS NC game, should UGA manage to defeat Bama. The only way UGA gets to play for the title is if there are less than two undefeated teams available.
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
8:15 pm
UGA has to beat Auburn to get the chance to play the West champ. They also have to thrash two State teams also and win the SEC-CG to be in the NC equation. Longshot at best, but still a chance, albeit slim. Any chance is better than no chance…
DawgNole
November 5th, 2012
8:15 pm
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
8:06 pm
Beast
I answered you but Bradleys filters are holding it for a couple of minutes. Nothing bad bro, have had a couple held on Bradleys blog lately, but they release them. Not going to write it again…
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More than a couple held, unfortunately. But he did take the time to explain it last night on the Falcons blog, which I appreciated.
Here we go
November 5th, 2012
8:18 pm
The only undefeated teams that should be higher than UGA is OU and Kansas State if we beat Bama in the SECC.If Notre Dame played in the SEC they would have 2 to 3 games in the loss column.Love the Dawgs,but with the beatdown at USCe we should not play for the BCS unless everyone has a loss at the end of the season.Right now I see a Bama/OU title game,but anything can happen in college football.
Hairy Dawg
November 5th, 2012
8:19 pm
Beast – you are making the point yourself… “Winning is all that matters this late in the season”… Exactly – UGA will have won out… And, knocked off the number two team and number one team in the process…
Here’s another thought that plays into it… Not likely, but for humor sake… What if UGA drills Bama?? Gotta think that it all becomes a different story then for sure…
J.C.
November 5th, 2012
8:20 pm
DawgNole
True, but given the strength of the SEC, its not always a sure thing the SEC champion will go to the title game. Remember when Florida had to have the voters help to get in so they could prove to everyone by crushing Ohio State? This was after an undefeated Auburn team was left out. The SEC was the best conference years before Florida won that first in a series of titles. USC may have beat Auburn that year, but it would have certainly been closer than that crushing of Oklahoma. Every year the computers and voters love the Big 12, yet they get crushed year after year in the BCS games. To me, winning the SEC, would be above anything else.
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
8:27 pm
GFJacket
Whatever…your opinion, no more, no less. I listened to you idiots complain about UGAs schedule all year, but when KST.,ND, Ore. Beat nobody of consequence, you’re down with that, lol…
Did you watch Pitt almost beat ND??? I did, and they were in South Bend no less, lmaoff. You think they deserve it because they beat Pitt? Hav any of those 3 undefeated beaten a #1??? How about a #2??? Didn’t think so. You are being a hypocrite, pure and simple…
Red Stick
November 5th, 2012
8:27 pm
Beast, there are some upset about Miles’ in game decisions but it’s not as verbal as I thought it would be.
I think the one most seem to agree on that was a bad call, including me, was the fake FG.
Some thought the 54 yard FG attempt was not a good call but some like me thought he was trying to be aggressive and had no problem with it. Of course it back-fired after Bama got the ball back and scored on a short drive just before the half.
I thought the on-side kick attempt was a good call as it caught the Tide off guard. The ball just didn’t bounce our way. That happens.
I thought that Miles and Studrawa should have kept Mettenberger in on the 4th and 1 in the 4th quarter. A yard and a half against Bama’s brick wall of 11 men in the box was not the right call with Ware in the Wildcat. At least with Mett in there Nick would have had to be on guard against a play action pass.
I had raised my concern to some friends last week about LSU using soft coverage against SC and A&M, who both drove down the field and scored late in the game to make it one score. The only chance each of those teams had to win was to recover an on-side kick which they didn’t get. We did the same thing against Bama on the last drive which they exploited. The difference was we were only up by a FG which cost us.
Overall, I give Miles credit for having the team ready with a good game plan. Unfortunately he made some questionable decisions just like Saban did last November and it cost us.
bigbobbles
November 5th, 2012
8:27 pm
Keep dreaming dawg fans……….it is like Tech thinking and wishing about an important bowl game…………..losers
DawgNole
November 5th, 2012
8:29 pm
Not sure we really disagree, J.C., except that given a choice between winning the SEC and national championships, it wouldn’t make sense to prefer the former. Only the NC takes home the crystal.
GFJacket
November 5th, 2012
8:34 pm
kingdaddy, your argument falls apart when you fail to include your own phrase – - it’s how they finished. They won. That is all that matters. If UGA manages to beat Bama for the SEC title, and there is only one undefeated team left, then UGA will play for the BCS title. Otherwise, if there are two undefeated teams left, they will play. Period.
J.C.
November 5th, 2012
8:35 pm
DawgNole
I can definitely agree with you there.
bigbobbles
November 5th, 2012
8:35 pm
Dawgs will never win out this year……….Dream on……..Gary Wright!!! Roll Tide!!!
Beast from the East
November 5th, 2012
8:38 pm
Red Stick,
I thought the onside kick was a good call. They had just pounded Bama’s defense and had them on their heels. LSU would have probably driven right down for another score and the entire game would have ben different. The only call I really hated was the fake FG. What are the odds of making 12 yards? Slim and none, in my opinion.
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
8:39 pm
Once again, the SEC will send no less than 6-7 teams to a good bowl where these teams will dominate any other conference, just like we always do. You play in the SEC, you deserve respect in a bowl
ellsee
November 5th, 2012
8:40 pm
Please people. Let’s play the games or nothing matters. Prognostication is valid only if your name is Nostradamus(sp?).
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
8:42 pm
GF
Many undefeated teams got skipped over for a one loss team. You are wrong again…
Beast from the East
November 5th, 2012
8:45 pm
Hairy Dawg,
You said ND should not be in the NC discussion because the ALMOST lost to Pitt. I countered that by your logic, UGA should be take out of consideration because they ALMOST lost to UK, which is one of the worst teams in the nation. How is that making your point for you?
Eastinfection
November 5th, 2012
8:51 pm
You mutts better be praying to Munson, Grizzard, et. all that you don’t have to play the Bammers. It won’t be pretty
kingdaddy
November 5th, 2012
8:51 pm
Beast
love the way you leave out the beating #s 1&2 in the equation. They beat nobody, we will have. Jealous much??? I’m over this circle jerk. Going nowhere and I’m hungry…
Hairy Dawg
November 5th, 2012
8:58 pm
Beast – I guess I should have continued by noting the other items of interest like nearly losing to a 4-3 (at the time) BYU team – again AT HOME…
And, I’m not sure the UK game is equivalent to a near loss AT HOME to a 4-4 Pitt team that lost to an FCS team earlier in the year – especially considering the game was won with an acknowledged bad call, and a missed field goal by Pitt in triple OT…
I’m not saying that they shouldn’t be in the discussion… I AM saying that a 12-1 UGA team who has beaten the number two and number 1 teams in the nation should jump them….
Buzz 2011
November 5th, 2012
8:58 pm
What title game? The leghumpers? Bama or LSU could beat the bums with 20 players on the roster.
They will not even tale Auburn. Auburn 30 UGA 10..Bradley 0…
OldTimer
November 5th, 2012
9:01 pm
I’ll see a pig flying before a Dawg national championship. On the other hand UGA has a lot of pigs and there is strength in numbers.
GFJacket
November 5th, 2012
9:09 pm
kingdaddy, the times that one loss teams were picked in favor of undefeated teams usually involved national powers like Notre Dame or USC. UGA is not a national power. It will have to depend on having no more than one undefeated team around. Otherwise, beating Bama in the SECCG will only provide it a berth in the Sugar Bowl, not the BCS NC game.
Mike
November 5th, 2012
9:21 pm
I know that it won’t happen, but I sure hope that Auburn pulls the upset of the century Saturday and all this National Championship Game appearance for UGA just disappears!
Red Stick
November 5th, 2012
9:24 pm
Beast, it was a poor call. Not sure what Miles was thinking.
DP
November 5th, 2012
9:25 pm
Hilarious. Earlier today I said Bradley’s suggestion in his “Heat Check” column that UGA would play in the BCS championship game if they won out was nonsense, that 2 of the 3 other major unbeatens (Oregon, Notre Dame and Kansas State) would have to lose because one loss SEC teams have never been elevated into the championship game over major unbeaten teams.
Of course, my post automatically went into Bradley’s “Your comment is awaiting moderation”, like this one will.
Then Bradley calls ESPN guru Brad Edwards who tells him the same thing I told him and get put in the moderation pile for. What a clown.
Eastinfection
November 5th, 2012
9:32 pm
War Eagle Fly Down The Field,,hey Cam how much $$$ do you and your daddy want?
DawgNole
November 5th, 2012
9:33 pm
ellsee
November 5th, 2012
8:40 pm
Please people. Let’s play the games or nothing matters. Prognostication is valid only if your name is Nostradamus(sp?).
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The games will be played in due time. Meanwhile, prognosticatin’ is half the fun.
SEC Fact Finder
November 5th, 2012
9:33 pm
Congratulations to UGA for being in the Top 5 in the BCS standings. Winning in Jacksonville looks to be what UGA needed to build some confidence.
I have been fortunate to be on the sidelines for multiple games around the league this year. This past saturday I had the “pleasure” at being at the UF/Missouri game. I have been on the sidelines for two UF games this year and each time I come away with more questions than answers. UF did not play like a good team on either side of the ball. South Carolina without Lattimore will need to come up with some direction on offense. Tennessee -whoa, difficulty with Troy was not what Vol fans were looking for. Missouri’s Franklin is NOT the quarterback he was in 2011. Most Mizzou fans around the program say that the Freshman they are redshirting this season is the real deal, Mauk according to many is that good. Not the way they wanted to enter the SEC. Kentucky is not going to get much better in the SEC without a system that throws the ball around due to their lack of Big OL recruiting, Vandy is building a great( good by SEC standards) and if Franklin stays around long enough to see it through.
The East started out looking very very strong, but as this season has drawn on it looks more and more apparent that the East is a step behind the West in talent, but they are close.
Mett at LSU finally played the QB position like most fans around Athens thought he could play. Alabama showed what happens on offense when you are a running team who gets away from it and tries to get fancy with the forward pass. But what many are not seeing is that on two big 3rd downs and on one big 4th down they shut down LSU when all the Tigers had do to was get about two feet for a first down. When Alabama lined up and ran the ball they were getting 4 to 6 yards per rush. I have to agree it will be a tough game this weekend for the Tide against A&M with Johnny Football but we all know A&M could not stop anyone on defense. The Tide plays at home in front of 100 plus thousand and end up playing UGA in the SECCG for a game many many UGA fans see as redemption for the Blackout game that may have started a mini downfall for UGA a few years ago.
Good Luck to you and Your SEC Team.
Tide Rising
November 5th, 2012
9:37 pm
Red Stick,
Congratulations on a fine game Sat. night. It was a shame for anyone to lose that game. I wouldn’t go blaming Miles though. You can’t fault being aggressive although I thought a fake fg on 4th and 12 was kinda crazy. Otherwise he had the team very well prepared. On top of being every bit as physical as us lSU had zero turnovers and only 1 or 2 penalties I think. And I’ve never seen LSU under Miles play such a disciplined game in terms of penalties and turnovers. Mett also came up with the game of his life.