Video: For the Braves, is just making the playoffs enough?


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chipl1960

August 28th, 2012
3:44 pm

NORRIS CHUCK

August 28th, 2012
3:47 pm

Well we dont know if it is enough, but some of us know that they need some punch in the lineup.

Weyman C Wanamaker Jr, (A Great American)

August 28th, 2012
3:56 pm

I wish it were. But unfortunately I don’t think they’re even going to do that.

Mark Bradley

August 28th, 2012
3:59 pm

Kudos, chipl1960

Weyman C Wanamaker Jr, (A Great American)

August 28th, 2012
4:00 pm

But it’s not enough for their fans.

Kevin Chop

August 28th, 2012
4:23 pm

It’s always enough for Atlanta. That’s why there is only one championship in this city. The torture it is to be a fan of Atlanta teams. The mentality of the teams here make me sick. Until fans start really showing displeasure like they do up in places like New York and Philadelphia. We will always have that one lonely championship hanging from 17 years ago.

DWP

August 28th, 2012
4:46 pm

The Braves are the middle of the road team which looks very average. Very streaky but depend too much on the home run as always. Not enough consistent hitting and no dominate starters. I’ve been a fan for years and hope I am being pessimistic but guess I am realist.

sidslid

August 28th, 2012
5:01 pm

Kyle Lohse is St. Louis’ #1 pitcher this year. I like our chances, and I like St. Louis getting in. Looks like the quickly glued together Dodger team is essentially Red Sox West, and will implode accordingly. At least Beckett will be sucking down Dodger Dogs, not chicken.

Mark Bradley

August 28th, 2012
5:02 pm

The Braves are fourth in the league in runs, fourth in OBP … and eighth in home runs.

I wouldn’t say this team is dependent on the home run. Previous teams, yes.

Mark Bradley

August 28th, 2012
5:06 pm

Oddly enough, Kyle Lohse would have started against the Braves in a one-game playoff last season.

ronaldh

August 28th, 2012
5:11 pm

To ask if making the playoffs is enough might be counting chickens when you’re looking at eggs. This is just an average baseball team. There is no guarantee that they make the playoffs.

Mark Bradley

August 28th, 2012
5:19 pm

The Braves have the fifth-best record in baseball. Is that average?

ChopChamps95

August 28th, 2012
5:21 pm

I remember back in the 90s and early 00s where the Braves were expected to make the playoffs every year and anything short of going to the World Series was considered by nearly everyone to be absolutely unacceptable. I don’t think the same can be said now. There is a “culture of acceptance” that runs rampant through the organization from the owner Liberty Media all the way down to Fredi Gonzalez. The Braves as a whole need to get back to the mentality they had during the glory years of the 90s. IMO, FG (and possibly others) should be given a pink slip for anything less than a WS berth.

Mark Bradley

August 28th, 2012
5:21 pm

It’s not my intent to make the Braves out to be the greatest team ever. They aren’t. But they are clearly a pretty good team. Record says so.

DaveinNEPA

August 28th, 2012
5:26 pm

Up until this point, this team has shown a marked inability to win what would be considered a “must win” game or series. I have to believe that if they “must win” a 1 game playoff to go further into the post-season, it won’t happen. They never seem to come up big when necessary.

So…..in answer to the question…….just making the playoffs won’t be enough IMO.

bulldogbubba

August 28th, 2012
6:03 pm

This team needs some new tires. Every time we get going a “tire” blows and we lose momentum.That being with Uggla and a hurt McCann in the line-up we seem to lose steam, without them we go farther. GO BRAVES!!!!!!

Stinger 2

August 28th, 2012
6:13 pm

Mark: Just making the playoffs would be good enough for me because it would be a great improvement over last year. It would put the effects of the
collapse and hopefully the memories of it to rest . If they can go past the
division playoffs and to the NLCS that would be a great bonus.

Birdhair

August 28th, 2012
6:24 pm

Pretty good team that wont make the playoffs imo. Beating Bumgarner was impressive, but turning right around getting shut out last night unacceptable. A banged up chipper and u might as well pack it in now

thomas smith

August 28th, 2012
7:09 pm

i ‘m not sure this management can get tu the playoffs much less win.i have been a braves fan for 40 years now and i can’t remember such a bad manager.fg keeps putting uggla in the lineup with his atrocious batting average.he tries to pull every pitch and pulls off every outside pitch.at least mccan is injured.they bring up bautista with a 4.00 era and we have cory gearing who pitched 12 games with atlanta with a .079 era,that is just ignorance on management’s part.we also have ernesto meja with a .303 ba ,24 home runs, and 91 rbi’s who has not been brought up. why ?he could be the rh power bat off bench .hinske and jack wilson need to be released.,because they serve no function fot the braves.fg is like bobby cox he has too many buddies to play.we need a coach who puts the best 9 players out there every night,no matter whose feelings he hurts.he need’s to quit ”running them out there” and start doing whats right.

DawgDad

August 28th, 2012
7:19 pm

Game 163 is not the playoffs. Winning game 163 would put a team in the playoffs. I would boo the Braves if they raised a banner for losing that game.

For this team, with it’s demons and unique dynamics, just getting into the playoffs is enough. Of course I want to see them win the pennant and play in or win the World Series, but after last year, sending Chipper off on a national stage and going home with some sense of shared achievement would be huge for the players, management, and the fans. It could help get or keep players here, too.

Hillbilly D

August 28th, 2012
7:32 pm

I’d think they need to at least make the NLCS and most would view anything less than a WS appearance, as not enough.

Ed

August 28th, 2012
7:38 pm

For any of atlanta’s professional sports franchises to make the playoffs is good enough, for the individual teams, the city and the fans.because unfortunately to make the playoffs is just as good as winning a championship in Atlanta.

Dirty Dawg

August 28th, 2012
7:45 pm

Enough? Not hardly. The only two goals – aka, taking it one game at a time, and in order – that remain are, 1) make the playoffs, and 2) win the last game of the year.

Mr. Dawg

August 28th, 2012
7:48 pm

Mark my post on your column yesterday addresses this question specifically. The play in game is a gimmick to keep more teams alive during the regular season. I don’t consider it a playoff game as much as I think it’s a hurdle that can ruin a deserving teams chances of playing in a real playoff series. The only justification I can think of is that it was’t that long ago – relative to my age – that only two teams from each league made the post season and one game could separate them from second place. All said, is making the playoffs really all Braves fans want to see after more than 20 years of mostly near misses? I hope they make the playoffs. But getting knocked out in the “play in” game or even the Divisional series would be a disappointment. It’s time the Braves hoisted another Championship Banner.

alex

August 28th, 2012
8:19 pm

i like our chances if 1. replace uggla with prado, 2. get mccain helthy, 3. simmons should be in midseason form, 4. freddy suddenly doing his job like real manager, not jerk. so a lot off if. otherwise one and out at best.

Columbus

August 28th, 2012
8:36 pm

What kind of headline is this? Is it enough? No its not enough. Only getting to the World Series would be enough. Being the National League Champions. Only one team can do that.

I personally think Uggla is about to snap out of his slump. He proved last year he can swing his way out and over the last week there has been a shift going on in his swing. From what we have seen over the last 2 months to making more authorative contact. He may be about to turn the corner and if he does that will put the Braves over the top in the division and make them a team to beat anybody. McCann needs to get some help with the shoulder too. Give him as much rest as possible. He has been swinging a little better too the last few days. Dont know if thats from a shot or hes getting over it. I would guess it was another shot.

Bottomline is if a couple thing fall into place, the Braves can go all the way. Anything can happen.

Remember last year when the Cards BARELY made it in and won the whole thing? A couple things fall into place and the Braves can beat ANYBODY.

If you dont see that you are baseball stupid or ignorant or a hater….

extremus

August 28th, 2012
10:14 pm

If your end goal isn’t to win the World Series each and every year, you need to clean house from players right up through management and even ownership to get that priority fixed. Anything less is a very unhealthy, stagnant attitude for any franchise and fans can smell it a mile away. And if you’ve played 162 games and managed to play into October, NOBODY (fans especially) are satisfied with anything less than a world championship parade afterward. Otherwise, why bother coming this far? “Our boys (the guys who get paid guaranteed contracts in the multi-millions) did good this year because they made the playoffs?” Please, spare me. And by no means hang any banners for making a one-game wild card playoff, or you’ll only make yourselves a laughingstock to the league and your city.

Win it all or you failed. This attitude is the most important criteria that separates great franchises from also-rans.

BravesWin

August 28th, 2012
10:29 pm

Big things can happen, and I’ll certainly be in approval if they do, but I just don’t see it happening in a big enough way this year, particularly with a clueless manager. Having said that, this year could be great groundwork for 2013. Lots of top-notch seasoned as well as younger talent. Losing Chipper and perhaps McCann may not hurt so much if we can keep Bourn, Freddie, Jason, and Prado. Wren has done well keeping the best of our prospects, while picking up some overlooked gems for peanuts. Lets go for the Tops this year, boys and girls, hopefully Wren will save his own job by letting Fredi go and hiring a top-flight manager, and the future stands to be brilliant.

Caseyatthebat

August 28th, 2012
10:44 pm

Good enough? Of course it’s not good enough. The goal for any team is to win the championship. When we had our 14 year run it was stated at the beginning of the season that we were after the World Series ring. Now we ask, “is it enough?” to get to the playoffs. More appropriately this team doesn’t have “enough”. And with this manager it’s hopeless. I’ve been following baseball for decades and this guy is one of the worst I’ve seen. His primary job is to field the best team and we all have seen what is does with that.

Hy Ronatt.

August 28th, 2012
10:44 pm

Firefredigonzalez.com

JASon

August 28th, 2012
10:59 pm

Screw major league baseball.

RaleighDawg

August 28th, 2012
11:22 pm

To me it depends on “which” Braves you’re talking about…for the Braves fans – heck no; for the Braves players – probably, after all they constantly remind us it’s a business; for the Braves management – probably, considering how they are hamstrung by Liberty; for the Braves owners – heck yes…all Liberty needs is for the Braves to be (using Greg McGarrity’s vocabulary when asked what he want of UGA men’s basketball) is to be relevant so they can fill their evening programming and sell advertising…in fact, for Liberty an epic collapse like last year was a winfall for all the folks tuning in to see what would happen.

Fats Johnson

August 29th, 2012
2:05 am

They wet their drawers last year in the stretch, so I am not sure they even make it. Although Heyward and Freeman are hitting some serious line drives consistently and may be the punch they need. Don’t expect Bones Jones to hit his way out of a wet paper bag at crunch time,though.

Stinger 2

August 29th, 2012
3:47 am

extremus: “win it all or you failed”. So by that you mean that 29 MLB teams fail every year? I will say this: You blog tag certainly fits your outlook on baseball.

BRaveP

August 29th, 2012
7:01 am

The braves will likely make the playoffs and go out in round 1—overrated talent and management.

wins-by-a-link

August 29th, 2012
7:43 am

This Braves team is above average, Look at the record, Third best in National League, Consistant play will be the key to how deep they will go into playoffs, I think pitching will be fine but offense may be thier weak point, Uggla could be key to Braves advancement if he can snap out of his long slump, Chipper needs some rest before playoffs, Lets hope they can string together enough wins to overtake the Nats and avoid the Wild card series, You never know what will happen, They could possibly win it all.

Tee

August 29th, 2012
8:07 am

Braves should make playoffs, no excuses…schedule from now through the end of September has every series vs teams with losing records and we get the Nats at home. If they don’t, clean house!!!!

HUH?????

August 29th, 2012
8:09 am

” For the Braves, is just making the playoffs enough?”

This is exactly why people laugh at the AJC writers. I guess Mark forgot about making the playoffs 14 years in a row only to win one WS.

smyrnabob

August 29th, 2012
8:22 am

Not enough.

The last two years have shown that 3 hot starting pitchers can lead a team to the WS title. A rested bullpen could help as well.

Pippa's hiney

August 29th, 2012
8:31 am

How many times I have to say it? They need a RH hitter in the line-up.

Ebenezer Snerdberg

August 29th, 2012
8:34 am

IT SEEMS THAT THE BRAVES CONSTANTLY STRIVE FOR SECOND (2nd) BEST!

Kirk

August 29th, 2012
9:28 am

Looks like Medlen , not Hudson, should be our wildcard game hurler

raleighbravefan

August 29th, 2012
9:39 am

MB – I wish you would provide in text form, as well. I don’t like to have to watch the video.

Dejay

August 29th, 2012
9:43 am

I’ll answer your question with a few questions of my own…

Is making the playoffs ‘enough’ for the Falcons? Apparently not, from the owner on down, which probably explains why there are new coordinators on the payroll this year. Have them lose in the first playoff game this coming season and see what AB does next; more heads would roll.

Is making the playoffs ‘enough’ for the Hawks? Michael Gearon tried to convince folks that it was many times, only for his pleas to fall on rolled eyes and covered ears all across town. And as the 5-8,000 empty seats in the stands on average will attest whenever Kobe or Team Voltron isn’t in town, it obviously isn’t.

Is making the (insert jabronie bowl here) good enough for UGA, Tech, Tennessee, Florida, LSU, or Alabama fans? We ALL know the answer to that one, no need to go any further.

Is it sinking in, ladies and gentlemen?

The object of pro sports is to WIN WORLD TITLES. Period and a dot, end of story. To say anything else really tells the story of your franchise, which probably explains 1) the reason why Bobby Cox had no pressure to perform when it mattered most and 2) the lack of urgency from the front office to change the cook when the meals he’s serving isn’t getting you the 5-star ratings. That explains why folks walked away from buying playoff tickets in the latter half of the divisional run they had; why pay for the sequel when you’ve already read the script off Wikipedia’s web page?

They always say that the arch-enemy of greatness is the satisfaction of being good. Is making the playoffs good enough? Ask a Falcons or a Hawks fan and they’ll tell you…

extremus

August 29th, 2012
10:13 am

@Stinger2,

I’m referring to a mental attitude, one where a team believes they belong at the top and can win any given game. Such a team goes into the season not looking to make the playoffs, but to win a world championship. And indeed, anything less is perceived as unacceptable.

It should sound familiar. It’s the same standard the Atlanta Braves held for well over a decade, and along the way much if not most of the fanbase came to feel the same way. Not so much entitlement, certainly, but the genuine feeling that our team was the best in baseball and SHOULD win the World Series. Of course that only happened once in 14 seasons, and going by the majority of posts by fans reflecting on that fact, my view on the subject isn’t all that “extreme”; repeated, crushing disappointments led to a perceived sense of failure (100-plus win seasons notwithstanding) and the overall cynicism regularly encountered here nowadays.

The Braves were baseball’s “model organization” for 14 years, but won only a single World Series. Sadly, it’s the 13 years they didn’t that many fans define the success of those teams by.

jek

August 29th, 2012
10:33 am

Dum(n) manager will lose it.

Dozer

August 29th, 2012
10:43 am

Making the playoffs is good enough for them – witness the last 20 years. Perhaps if the current culture of acceptance was replaced by one of accountability post-season results would begin to change. You only have to go back to last year to see it – where was the outrage with their collapse? All they did is tip their cap to the Cards & fire their hitting coach. I’m not saying that you get rid of everybody but it sure seems like the Braves rationalize their failures different than most winning franchises…….

Delbert D.

August 29th, 2012
11:26 am

Wildcards are for losers. Literally. Nevertheless, it would be great to see them in the playoffs.

2011champs

August 29th, 2012
11:57 am

It is a moot point because the Braves are not going to make the playoffs, and even if they do, they will be 1 and done. The Cards can start either Lohse or Wainwright and win the wildcard game. The Braves are a good team, but have no leadership on or off the field.

Gene

August 29th, 2012
12:18 pm

The Nats are shaky right now. We will have to see which Braves team shows up for the Philles, i.e. the one that hits or the one that doesn’t. I don’t think that the Braves will melt down like they dd last year, but I hope they don’t face the Cardinals in the one game playoff. I don’t like the second wildcard thing, and I hope that it goes away next year.