Video: On Danny Ferry’s big trades and the new-look Hawks



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JSS

July 3rd, 2012
8:41 pm

Hmmmm… Striker you on to something with a three-way deal… Do you call Golden State and dangle a Curry deal? I’m more for Bynum…

FalconUGAFan

July 3rd, 2012
8:43 pm

Can’t wait to see what the Hawks can do next year

J.J.M.

July 3rd, 2012
8:57 pm

lol kid toys! classic!

Kane337

July 3rd, 2012
8:59 pm

Nice grill and vacuum cleaner in the background ;)

Looking forward to what the Hawks may add in the future.

rollo lawson

July 3rd, 2012
9:03 pm

Now let’s see if we can pry Tyreke Evans away from Sacramento to replace Joe Johnson. Rudy Gay would be a nice fit too!!

Leon Justice

July 3rd, 2012
9:04 pm

Mark I think Josh is going to stay. For me this is the most excited I have been since they got back into the playoffs years ago. I think there will be a offer for Eric Gordon. I can see that happening.

rollo lawson

July 3rd, 2012
9:08 pm

Myself and other knowledgeable fans on this blog like Rod From College Park were telling you fools that Josh was the best player on this team. It took a real basketball man (Ferry) to get you idiots to realize this. All Josh needs is pieces around him, a committed ownership group, and a real head coach.

Barton

July 3rd, 2012
9:16 pm

I truly think this is addition by subtraction. It may hurt our depth to lose the talent we did in Marvin and Joe, but I think the chemistry of the team (especially the starting 5) will vastly improve. My hopes are that we see the ball in Teague’s hands more, finishing with cuts to the basket by Josh and Al for easy dunks. I think LD can put a starting five on the court that understands their roles and don’t have to worry about deferring to the $100 million dollar man anymore. But I realize I’ve said I think a lot and we’ll just have to wait and see.

Don’t get down on these Hawks – Teague, Smoove, Horford and Zaza are a feisty group. Just give them a shot maker and put the rest at the rim. They’ll still be an above average defensive group as well.

Barton

July 3rd, 2012
9:18 pm

Also, @ rollo – we weren’t doubting Josh’s talent, but if he was going to pout and moan and give ATL the proverbial middle finger like Joe did after the playoffs two years ago.. we were happy to see him go. Why should we care about someone who doesn’t care about us?

Christian L.

July 3rd, 2012
9:26 pm

Danny Ferry is a Duke educated man. Us “so called fools” know Josh Smith is still here because Ferry hasn’t been able to get even a “bag off balls” for him yet. There is no way Josh Smith will sniff another contract offer from Ferry. He knows his Big Men need to play big and Smith can’t do that. Smart coaches will lay off him and let him throw up brick after brick. The man can’t shoot and apparently has never had a coach tell him that. If he’s not dunking he’s not scoring.

rollo lawson

July 3rd, 2012
9:30 pm

@Barton – as a long-time Hawks fan, I felt Josh’s pain. He is a fiery player. I love that. He just needs to learn to channel his emotions better. This fan-base is funny. You gripe and complain about Josh wearing his emotions on his sleave, but blast Joe Johnson for being emotionless and having a “don’t care” attitude. Figure out what you want and get back with me.

In addition, ownership has continually given the fans the “middle finger” by some of the moves they were making or lack thereof. It appears they’ve gotten it right with Ferry. Wish they would have let him pick his own coach though.

rollo lawson

July 3rd, 2012
9:35 pm

LOL @ Christian L. David Aldridge just said on NBA TV that the Hawks kept the two best players of the Core 4 (Al and Josh). Besides, if they trade Josh, who will protect the rim once Teague’s man blows by him?

Just Asking?

July 3rd, 2012
9:46 pm

Who will be the 5th man here? Who’s out there that can be had in free agency? We don’t have much else to trade but draft choices and we are going to need them.

Dr. Warren

July 3rd, 2012
9:52 pm

Hawks made the playoffs this past year without Horford. They can do the same this coming season without Joe Johnson. I don’t think they’re hit as hard as MB thinks in the short-term.

Z-RO the Crooked

July 3rd, 2012
10:03 pm

Sign Oj Mayo and try to get Kaman too if we cant deal for Dwight… i just grew tired of watching joe go through the motions and if anybody noticed this season T-Mac stayed in josh’s ear basically telling him we can go only as far as YOU take us knowing that Joe is not someone to run your offense through because he dribbles the air out of the ball and the ball ends up in josh’s hand for those ill fated jumpers! anyone ever wonder why the ball would even be passed to him on the perimeter to begin with?

Barton

July 3rd, 2012
10:18 pm

Couldn’t agree with you more about ownership Rollo.. I don’t think that’s a fact anyone refutes. To clarify, I’ve always been a big supporter of Josh and never a big supporter of Joe. I used to hate going to Hawks games as a kid and see the arena filled with Michael Jordan jerseys and still wonder why a generation of true Atlanta fans hasn’t emerged yet (although I think it is close). One such reason may be that ownership gave a guy (Joe Johnson) who said he could give a damn about the fans, the richest contract in the sport at the time. I consider the fact that I continued to follow the Hawks and support them after that to be self-destructive behavior I should probably talk to a shrink about.

I also don’t mind players being emotional on the court, but don’t pout while you’re playing and certainly don’t insult the fans who pay money to go to the games (I could care less about the ones who don’t) by talking (even implying) about your exit strategy or how great other fans are compared to yours. Steve Nash is the PERFECT example of how you should handle yourself in the NBA – the consummate professional.

Josh played an inspired second half of the season and I won’t let a few of his lapses ruin his entire body of work, but if he is going to be the Hawks’ best player, if he wants that respect, and if he wants fan support, then he has to do a better job as a professional. Incidentally, I think with Joe gone that Josh will do just that. Being “the guy” is something that seems to motivate and bring out the best in him – I was at that OKC game last year when, without Joe and Al, Josh got Philips roarin to a win.

all for one.....

July 3rd, 2012
10:24 pm

Patience Hawks Fans and potential fans, Let Danny finish cost/benefit analysis on possible other deals, not to mention free agency. l am impressed right now. l am expecting more great news in the future. Stock pile draft picks, do not trade them. Teams that can properly evaluate talent can and will build through the draft. It is only way to keep from being anchored down by millionaire contracts. GATA Danny.

Barton

July 3rd, 2012
10:26 pm

@ Rollo – I just typed up a long response but the blogmonster ate it.. in short I agree with you. Ownership kills fan support and gives Atlanta the reputation it has for fanship, but as a player you should still show some love for the ones that do give up their hard earned dollars to come and see you play.

I never liked Joe Johnson, nor did I ever want to watch another Hawks game after he said he could give a damn about the fans, only to be rewarded with the richest contract in the sport at the time. The fact that I did is evidence of self-destructive behavior I should get checked out.

Josh needs to become a better professional. Steve Nash is the perfect example of what I’m talking about as far as how to handle the contract situation. Avery Bradley is the perfect example of how I think every NBA player should be out there playing. I’ve seen more hustle in pick-up games for the full time of the game than I do sometimes in Hawks games. That being said, I was there for Josh’s game against OKC when they were without Joe and that was inspired. That also summed up the incredible second half of the season he had. I won’t let a few lapses by Josh ruin the whole of what he did for us this season and in the playoffs. However, he needs to improve if he wants to be “the guy” and have that respect with the Atlanta fans. I think he’s making the right decisions and taking the right steps and I think Joe being gone will catalyze the process.

Barton

July 3rd, 2012
10:28 pm

Mark – the blogmonster keeps eating my posts.. am I limited to a certain number of characters? Twitter is ruining everything..

Moorman

July 3rd, 2012
10:40 pm

Mark. I agree with your earlier accessment about dwight howard. Other than the big marketing piece he would be, the guy is overated as far as his offensive skill set and dominating games. I wouldnt say i wouldnt take him, but its no major loss without him. Just get a small forword that can shoot and pair him with another nice shooting guard and leave horford down low at the five…….

Jack in Macon

July 3rd, 2012
10:49 pm

Wow! Was that actually a little smile on your face Mark? I didn’t realize you have teeth.

Hawks fans in Macon are excited about the addition by subtraction.

merbertmoover

July 3rd, 2012
10:54 pm

man, so much fun to follow this offseason as opposed to last few. did you guys see the cover page on espn’s nba page today? it said “atlanta dream” and had a picture of dwight, cp3, and smoove….sooooo soooo cool.

even if it won’t ever happen, it’s cool to see atlanta getting some media attention. and it can keep us dreaming…

hawks fan for life!

Ryder

July 3rd, 2012
10:56 pm

Colin Cowherd made a point this morning that I think many of the NBA “insiders” (Broussard) are missing….Atlanta is a destination city for many athletes, especially in the NBA. The problem has never been that players didn’t want to come here, it’s just that the management has been horrible.

I say Atlanta should hold on to the players they have for this year, and not worry about Howard. He isn’t the kind of guy who can take a team to a championship IMO. He’s no leader. Do whatever it takes to get Chris Paul here next year.

Think about it: A destination city with loads of cap room and two B+ players in their primes (Smith and Horford). Also, the opportunity to get a new coach in here (I’d like to think that Ferry wants his own coach) and you have a chance to land a major star for the first time in ages.

As for this year’s team, I can’t see them doing anything other than competing for the last playoff spot in the East, but I’d rather be in the Hawks situation than Orlando, Washington, or Charlotte.

Funky Bobby J

July 3rd, 2012
11:34 pm

I am a long time fan and I am finally really excited about this team again. I am a JJ fan, I am a Josh fan, and a Horford fan – but for whatever reason, it did not work. Every Hawks fan knew what we were going to get last season – same as the season before and the season before. It was time to jump off and do something to revamp. Horford and Josh will make up one of the best forward combos in the league. Let’s get a center (and it does not have to be Howard – maybe even take a run at Hibbert) and start rebuilding this thing.
Joe did a lot for this franchise – let’s not forget that Woodson had him leading the league (on near the top) in minutes played. He looked outta gas – but still was giving it his all. Thanks for all you did Joe, but I am glad to see your contract go.

Farnsworthy

July 3rd, 2012
11:39 pm

Danny Ferry kicks ass! Danny for Governor! I am positive about what is going on with the Hawks. I am starting to imagine Chris Paul in their future. Wouldn’t that be exciting?
So glad to see Marvin Williams out of there—he was under performing, had a lousy attitude and a drag on the whole team.

Horford & Harris for Howard?

July 4th, 2012
12:10 am

Mr. Bradley,

It’s obvious that Howard wants out of Orlando, and that whole situation is an embarrassment to their club. Do you think they would trade him to Atlanta for Horford and Harris, and a couple of the Nets we just landed? They won’t get much later for a short term rental, unless they do a sign and trade, and I would think that would be a pretty fair trade? Teague, ?, ? Smith, Howard would be pretty dominant!

tyger

July 4th, 2012
2:04 am

Rings are for Winners…Blue light specials for losers…

Thus far, the Hawks haven’t won jack…
So, why is everybody taking a victory lap?…
The future looks bright, any and everything is possible…

Yeah right, we just gave our playoff spot to Brooklyn…
Theyre bragging how they fleeced us out of our 6x Allstar…
Theyre teaming DWill, JJ, Howard together, not us…

6x All-star + Olympian for what???…
Even Marvin fetched more than JJ…
Now what, give away the rest of the farm???

It took 10 yrs to get back to respectability…
We’ve seen this before, the end game is …
Big Dog Robinson, Sharif Abdur-Rahim, Theo Ratliff…

Or today’s version of washed up, has been, never will be…
Like a bad B movie, the writing’s on the wall….
Elden Brand, Kwame Brown, Vince Carter…
Oh my…we’re doing it the “right way”…dirt cheap

Guess what? D.Howard aint coming…nobody is…
This is a facade, an illusion, classic salary dump…
The Hawks are back on the market boys…

Vecsey already called them out…
He may not have all the details… but he knows..

superiorblogman

July 4th, 2012
2:46 am

As long as Josh Smith is playing PF and Al is playing C there is no growth to be had for this team and Ferry is as lost as Sund was. Any starting level C with the team we already had would have put us at ECFinals status. Give away your most accomplished player and still don’t address the on court issues.

People can keep on saying Josh and Al are the best two players and that may be true but Joe is the most accomplished player with all-star wins and a team USA nod. Josh has done nothing but dunk and quit in the middle of the floor when things don’t go his way and alienate teammates while disrespecting coaches.

These is a very stupid approach if Al and Josh are playing PF and C next year or if Zaza is your starting C.

Hamburger and Onions

July 4th, 2012
6:23 am

Finally a GM with a backbone in him way to go danny ferry i love a person who starts off gettin a NBA title here…Now we hope ASG owners would go away n stuff still not go games but will watch on tv…. and idea change uniforms back to 1970 look also be a great idea to The original Home n away jersey are uniforms they had when move to atlanta…..change it to them!

Mike in LaGrange

July 4th, 2012
6:56 am

FINALLY!!!!!! We have a GM that knows what he is doing… 1st week on the job, he gets rid of the albatrosses around the team in Johnson and Williams… I know he i going to run things the right way, probably transform this team onto the contenders they should have been a long time ago… I want to see fo the tam’s next move… to change the jerseys back to the 80s ‘pacman’- of course updated with that Hawks head for the logo- no need for that bird holding the ball anymore… I am excited at what Danny Ferry has done…Hawks fans should be excited as well…

Hawks_Seaoson_Tix_4_life

July 4th, 2012
7:33 am

@Mark, saw the video clip. Nice piece. So what is Plan B? I felt we were that same place after the 98 season. Still need a small forward. the only move I liked was Marvin for Harris. We only needed one piece . Now we are saying get rid of Teague & Horford. Freeing up cap space for who. We built this team on draft picks so now we scrap winning for losing for 8 more years.
Still trying to see what everybody likes about Ferry move.
@Tyger think you are on point.

Rocketman

July 4th, 2012
7:57 am

The NBA Thugs are finished–let’s talk about real sports-let’s go on to something good-I’ll say it again-Who watches this crap anyway?

Skram30082

July 4th, 2012
8:01 am

Hey Mark, does this mean that Steve Belkin was right, and that the Hawks never should’ve signed Joe Johnson?

Just wondering…

tony

July 4th, 2012
8:17 am

I think Ferry is a very good evaluator in terms of selecting players with good work ethics and have efficient skill set. I don’t think losing JJ will hurt this team. Remember, the hawks did not make the playoffs until they draft AH and the signing of Mike Bibby. With the addition of Maurice Evans and Jamal Crawford the hawks decame above .500 team.

I think Ferry will eventually get us a very good center – one who shoots a high FG/FT percentage and has good work ethics. I wish jj and MW well but I doubt losing them will hurt the team that much.

With some luck, we could land Chris Paul and D Howard next season. With those guys, the hawks will win a championship.

Musky

July 4th, 2012
8:20 am

I’m so tired of reading the same drivel by one person using 5,000 different fake names. How about a filter that records the ISP’s and requires one name only ? Its 2012 ya know ? AJC’s IT dept. must be inept ?

Tim

July 4th, 2012
8:26 am

Do you people who hate the NBA but love the NFL realize that the real reason is bc the percentage of players who are white is much, much higher in the NFL?

Don’t insult everyone’s intelligence and keep feeding the baloney that it’s bc NBA players get into more trouble. If you actually believe that, you need to pay much closer attention to the headlines.

** A contributing factor could also be that basketball uniforms allow you to see a lot more of the tattoos.

Musky

July 4th, 2012
8:30 am

The guy left the blog at 2:46am and returned at 6:23am to waste another day blogging. But I guess if AJC filtered him then they’d only have about 5 bloggers period.

Tim

July 4th, 2012
8:35 am

I agree with some others in thinking that we need a bigger body than Al to play the center position. Trade Josh (preferably for draft picks) and move Al to PF.

We really need to get down to the basics of building through the draft and supplementing that with free agency. Remember, free agents are usually overpriced (as are a lot of veterans). Keep a young team with some vets sprinkled in. Do it like the Thunder, Grizzlies, Bulls, and 76ers. We can’t attract the top free agents right now anyway.

Go Jackets

July 4th, 2012
9:41 am

All u dimwits that are moaning the loss of Joe dont know business OR basketball. He was being paid an elite contract, but he IS NOT an elite player. He is good, not great. He is NOT a leader. I dont blame him for signing the deal, I blame former management and ownership for offering it to him. Lets take it on the chin maybe this year, but 2013-2014 will be something to see. Chris Paul wants to come here…all we need is a servicable center and a new head coach. Larry drew is prob gone too…Good job so far D. Ferry.

haha

July 4th, 2012
9:53 am

the nets are already better than the hawks because of danny ferry.

Slimjr

July 4th, 2012
9:55 am

Joe had to go..His contract was killing this team from pursuing elite status..

Btw: Joe has lost a step or two…. Bye Joe and thanks for the memories…

Danny Ferry in two two weeks has made the last 5 Hawk GM’s look incompetent!

vchan

July 4th, 2012
10:14 am

Viva Danny Ferry! We are actually back in the NBA business and not sitting at the kids table anymore. So tired of us being clowned on TNT and ESPN. I believe Danny will get the pieces that we need. I’d rather sacrafice 10 wins to get better.

J-bone

July 4th, 2012
10:15 am

JJ never said he didn’t care about ATL fans. he said he didn’t care whether the fans showed up, which is exactly the kind of player you need in ATL, because most of the time the fans don’t show up.

get over it ladies.

RA

July 4th, 2012
10:23 am

It grates on me to say this, but I have to agree with Bradley. In order to get to the next level the Hawks had to make wholesale changes. Don’t get me wrong, I liked our team, they won, but for whatever reason, they’d hit the ceiling. With the cap room that Atlanta has freed up, they can be big time players for premier players in 2013, and hopefully have two first round draft picks to boot! I have to say, Ferry’s made a good first impression on me.

birds of a feather

July 4th, 2012
10:23 am

The ownership needs to re-structure their ticket pricing. Take a cue from Arthur. Try to pack the house every night.

KBP

July 4th, 2012
10:39 am

I am a JJ fan and I agree that he is NOT a 20 million per year player and the Hawks had to trade him in order to get better. Now, somebody please tell me what made Al and Josh the best players on this team? Al is a good player and a better leader but is far too limited offensively to be your go to guy in crunch time. Josh is a good player, but he too is far too limited offensively to be your go to guy. If he had a right hand and played 17 feet and in he could be exceptional. I love what they both do well but to say they are better than JJ is a stretch. JJ’s points have been down the past two years not because of diminished skills but because more shots go to Al and Josh. JJ’s contract has drawn unnecessary criticism to his game but if you look at what he brings to the court, are there 3 better shooting guards in the league? Are there 3 better PF/C than Al? Are there 3 better PF/SF than Josh?

Ted M

July 4th, 2012
11:06 am

ah Darry Ferry who’s he? Gotta keep Josh Smith and I think he will. \

Who are some of the gettable small forwards? Anyone!

STRETCH

July 4th, 2012
11:11 am

Dont know but im pretty sure there are some SF’s out there willing to come to Atlanta. And now, more guys will be willing to come becuase Sund is gone and Ferry is already showing that he knows what he is doin.

But i know if i were the Magic i would jump on the offer from the Nets. BUt its just too many snags in that trade at the moment.

Ted M

July 4th, 2012
11:15 am

Caron Butler…I bet Ferry could swing a trade for him.

Ted M

July 4th, 2012
11:27 am

what about Thaddeus Young? I wonder if he’s gettable.