Video: On Jair Jurrjens’ demotion – a crisis of confidence?



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Rickster

April 24th, 2012
4:01 pm

Wouldn’t be the first!

Rickster

April 24th, 2012
4:02 pm

Look at Mark Woehlers… Charlie Leibrandt… lots of pitchers have lost their confidence.

Tom

April 24th, 2012
4:10 pm

The only thing that really matter velocity wise is that his breaking pitches and fastball aren’t very different now so he isn’t disrupting a batters rhythm. Jurrjens was never as good as people thought but he has fallen far further than he should have. If he can regain his command he can still be a contributor in the major leagues.

Steve

April 24th, 2012
4:13 pm

Rickster you REALLLLLLY need a life. Really, really, really bad.

KnightInATL

April 24th, 2012
4:17 pm

You avoided the question at the 2:15 mark when asked if YOU thought that the time spent in Gwinnett would be enough to get him back to where he used to be.

SimpleDawg

April 24th, 2012
4:19 pm

Jurrjens isn’t the only pitcher with reduced velocity. Hanson is down in velocity by about 10 -12 %.

Jair makes too many mistakes over the plate or in location to certain batters….ex. low, inside to lefties and thigh high to righties.

Note to Delgado: Don’t walk pitchers. Make them leave home plate running….

bruce

April 24th, 2012
4:27 pm

Mark, what about leg strength? Has he not built his legs up enough to have the confidence to use them to pitch? With knee injury, my thought is he did not get the strength built up off-season or in spring training.

Rickster

April 24th, 2012
4:30 pm

Got a great one, Steve. But thanks!

JWOOD

April 24th, 2012
4:31 pm

Hanson could throw 94 is he wanted to, but he hasn’t really thrown that hard since his first season. And that’s good for his arm and his career. Learning how to pitch is not equal to throwing the hardest. Verlander is the exception for starting pitchers, not the rule. Only relievers can throw that hard and not end their career early (and many end up having short careers anyway).

As for Jurrjens, he is missing everything. He has no command of any of his pitches and I think it’s safe to assume he is changing his delivery the same way a batter changes his swing to compensate for an injury or to prevent injury out of concern.

Jedd

April 24th, 2012
4:34 pm

Diminished velocity is a big deal for JJ. At his peak, he lived around 91-92 with his 2 seamer and had great action. He could go upstairs or paint corners at 94 with 4 seamer to get Ks. Now his 2 seamer is 87-88 and his 4 seamer is 90. To compound this, his 2 seamer doesn’t have near the life it once did. His changeup was devastating due to 10-12 mph difference versus 2 seam FB. Now it is 6-8 mph difference. BMAC said in ST that JJ needed to be able to touch 93-94 to be the JJ we love. He obviously is not near that.
Reduced velocity is a troubling trend for Braves pitchers. Hanson is a power pitcher, but has lost 4-5 mph on his FB. I know he is mixing in a 2 seamer now, but when he steps on a 4 seamer it may touch 91. That is plenty hard to get MLB batters out, but you have to have excellent command, pitch down in the zone, change speeds, and have good action on the pitches. Hanson’s slider is more effective when his FB is 94+ than it is when he is throwing 89.
Both guys can still be effective, but they will have to be completely different pitchers unless they regain their velocity.

Bryan G.

April 24th, 2012
4:37 pm

Oh the dulcet tones of Mark Bradley’s voice…

dudah

April 24th, 2012
4:41 pm

I’ve never had confidence in him, wish we could gotten Adam Jones over the winter..now he is worthless..glad Wren has the guts to send him down, Cox/Shuerholtz never made players accountable…he needs to pitch, locate, change speeds..you think Maddux & Glavine ever hit 90? not very often – a straight 100mph fastball gets parked 450 ft from home

lanier

April 24th, 2012
4:45 pm

enough of these videos please

Herschel Talker

April 24th, 2012
4:46 pm

MB:

Stick a fork in this guy. Wren should have traded him last year. I give Wren credit for trying, but he shouldn’t have held out for more and should have just taken what he could have gotten.

HT

JWOOD

April 24th, 2012
4:52 pm

Good news is that if he doesn’t bounce back, the Braves have options whether its Medlen, Delgado or, maybe after the summer, Teheran.

reckingball

April 24th, 2012
5:01 pm

Hello, is this thing working, can you hear me now?

reckingball

April 24th, 2012
5:04 pm

MB, lean your head forward, just a smidgon.
And, a touch of Just For Men.
I kid.
go braves! hope JJ can get it together.

reckingball

April 24th, 2012
5:06 pm

Rick, I think that Liebrandt’s MLB shelve life, expired.

John Ellison

April 24th, 2012
5:47 pm

He had his 15 minutes of fame in the first half of 2011. I don’t think he will be successful in the majors.

typical know it all

April 24th, 2012
5:55 pm

Yawn. Another article/blog on JJ. AJC is just like every other rag in the nation. They love to beat a dead horse.

Bernard

April 24th, 2012
6:36 pm

Sends a needed message to the entire roster…produce now or…

USMC DAWG

April 24th, 2012
7:41 pm

$100 says he gets “hurt” within the next week @ Gwinnett.

hiway 61

April 24th, 2012
7:48 pm

No wonder JJ is going to AAA–his line this season is downright ugly 30 hits-17 runs 10 walks and only eight strikeouts in 16 1/3 innings. But I believe he will be back shortly. Go Braves.

hiway 61

April 24th, 2012
7:55 pm

Great job Mark, I like the Vedio reports.

BarneyStrickland

April 24th, 2012
8:38 pm

Cool. Now, we can sign him to an extension on the cheap- Scott Boras or not. Isn’t this his contract year? Jair will be back…. the other Curaceans like Andruw Jones and Randall Simon were not much into conditioning….. Jair is gonna have to move the plates to get his quads and calves back in shape! Good luck man……..!

Sonny Clusters

April 24th, 2012
8:49 pm

We are seeing a video talent emerge.

chris

April 24th, 2012
8:50 pm

if other teams are leary of him as trade bait what does that tell the Braves? I think we should pursue another starter- id heard rumors we were looking at an Oswalt deal?? not sure if those are just rumors..but its intriguing.

Felix

April 24th, 2012
8:55 pm

I didn’t feel good about him starting last night. Hard to believe what has happened to J.J. since the 2011 all star break. I hope he gets it back.

jfreak13713

April 24th, 2012
10:05 pm

Good Luck JJ! Hope you can get things turned around soon??

bulldogbubba

April 24th, 2012
11:16 pm

Clusters- Did you send Chipper birthday wishes?

ty

April 25th, 2012
2:34 am

You make it sound like it is the end of the world for Jrgins…He will make it back as others have.

Big Al

April 25th, 2012
7:21 am

Wonderful, a video. If I wanted to watch video, I would have tuned in ESPN.

GT71

April 25th, 2012
7:32 am

Telling will be whether Jair waits the full 72 hours to report to G-Braves. He’s in town right now and COULD report anytime the traffic lets him today. If he waits – bad sign.
Constructive attitude or petulence? Someone said the character of a man is found in how he handles adversity.
Be there by 9AM today, Jair. Just do it.

Sid

April 25th, 2012
7:52 am

Come on J.J., you got the stuff, now get it going!

Vols85

April 25th, 2012
8:38 am

Paging Dr Llewellyn. Dr. Jack Llewellyn, please proceed to the nearest courtesy phone to be connected to the Braves’ front office.

Dr. Phil

April 25th, 2012
9:13 am

JJ is young. If Wren wants him to improve, just give him to the Texas Rangers.

Don

April 25th, 2012
9:28 am

LOSS OF CONFIDENCE???????
The PROBLEM IS his injuries. Pitchers many times (perhaps most times) do not return to their former greatness after injuries.
And most significantly the injuries to Braves Pitchers goes on and on and on. Since Leo left as Pitching Coach 6 or 7 years ago —- Of all the large number of Starting Pitchers the Braves have had in the Rotation, almost ALL of them have ended up being injured.
REMEMBER that we now have FOUR out of the five Starting Pitchers comming of inuries from last season (counting Medlen who was a Starter when he was injured).
What are going to be the results of this – too early to tell.
With JJ it is obvious — Hudson has not yet been able to pitch — Medlen was no longer judged to be good enough to be in the rotation —- Only Hanson has returned to the Rotation to pitch effectively so far — and he may no longer have the same greatness.
True, the Braves have an abundance of ADDITIONAL young pitching talent —- But what difference will it make if this INJURY MILL for Starting Pitchers continues.
ARE THEY GOING TO DESTROY ALL OR MOST OF THIS GREAT PITCHING TALENT which could have made them contenders for years to come – BEFORE THEY DO ANYTHING ABOUT THIS PROBLEM.. Did we leave Spring Training with THREE more young Pitchers on the Disabled List — the one ranked as the best relief pitching prospect in all of baseball out for at least an entire season with Tommy John Surgery – perhps never to return to be good.
WHY DOES EVERYONE (especially the writers) KEEP IGNORING THE PROBLEM????

Clusters Sonny

April 25th, 2012
9:47 am

I love reading comments from people who have never played baseball at a professional level.

GSU Eagle

April 25th, 2012
11:15 am

Bring in Mad Dog to help him out!

Dirty Dawg

April 25th, 2012
11:22 am

Read in another piece that they’ve got a ‘big’, or whatever they wish to call it, program planned for JJ at Gwinett. Command (what’s the difference in that and ‘control’?) and velocity – which doesn’t leave much – are both a problem for the kid, so they seem to be planning to give him a complete ‘re-do’. Obviously something’s wrong physically with him (and likely his knee) cause it’s one thing to lose a few mph on your throws, but this kid used to be one of the fastest, if not ‘the’ fastest, on the club…now he doesn’t seem to be doing anything but jogging down the line when, or if, he gets a ball in play. Could it be that the problem is he’s just not even in ‘baseball shape’, which is a pretty low bar to begin with? I don’t know what JJ calls working hard, but it would seem that Braves management thinks he needs to ’step it up’. Recall watching one of, the few, Braves Grapefruit League games they broadcast. They showed Beachy ‘running the outfield’…now that looked like work, and by the way, nobody else on the team, let alone the pitching staff, was working as hard as ‘The Beach’.

@ Don

April 25th, 2012
11:52 am

Pitching is a physically demanding task. Almost all pitchers experience some injuries – many never make it beyond HS because of their injuries. Name any team that has not lost a pitcher due to an injury.

DetroitBraves

April 25th, 2012
1:12 pm

@Clusters Sonny, it is possible to have valid opinions on things one has observed but never actually experienced first-hand. For instance, I think it is a bad idea in general to fight a grizzly bear in hand-to-paw combat, though I have never attempted it myself. I also think it is a bad plan to throw sub-par fastballs with little movement to major league quality hitters, though I have never attempted it myself. Perhaps I’m wrong on both counts. Perhaps it’s only a bad idea to throw sub-par fastballs with little movement to grizzly bears.

I dropped my fried twinkie

April 25th, 2012
1:31 pm

Pitching is 90% Mental and 80% Physical. Right?

Tdawg

April 25th, 2012
1:40 pm

JWOOD actually you couldn’t be more wrong. Change up,s fork ball’s, curves, screw ball and slider’s do much more damage to your arm than does the fast ball. Nolan Ryan pitched forever. Tom Seaver had a decent fastball as did Rodger Clements to name just a few and I can think of many more. The biggest stumbling block for power pitchers is usually in their delivery. If they are mechanically sound, there is no reason that a fast ball pitcher shouldn’t have a long career.

say what?

April 25th, 2012
1:46 pm

Did that guy really say “Gwen-it”?

Tdawg

April 25th, 2012
1:50 pm

Got some bad news for ya Clusters Sonny. At any level baseball is the played the same. The ball is the same size, they use the same glove’s, the pitcher mounds are the same distant, the bases are the same distance, you still have error’s, you still get 4 balls and 3 strikes. Home Runs, doubles, singles are still all the same if I’m not mistaken. And get this Clusters. Those same player’s playing in the majors also played at the same level against the same people that you are calling out. And I bet that your cluess arse thought that pro ball player’s were delivered by storks.

L.A. Mont

April 26th, 2012
10:28 am

Location, Location, Location….too many of JJ’s putches are in the middle of the plate and that’s whey he’s been getting hammered. A well placed 88 MPH fastball on the corners is still harder to hit than a 94 MPH over the plate fastball.

I hear Don Sutton talk about “trusting his stuff” as the confidence of a pitcher. You see it in Beachy and Minor now that they trust their stuff and they are going deeper in ballgames. Although Beachy and Minor did not get wins against L.A. they kept the Braves in the game and allowed the offense to pull out late 9th inning wins. That’s the confidence they have now, and confiedence Gonzalez and McDowell have in them. That confidence is spilling over to the offense too knowing that a pitcher will keep you in the ball game allows you to relax at the plate and not feel like you have to score 3-4 runs early of you won’t win….Beacuse the Braves have depth at pithcing, they can afford to let JJ go to the minors and hopefully work his way back…(and in my opinion, could be traded later in the season if Delgado continues to pitch effectively)