Urban decay? Sporting News examines a ‘broken’ Florida
The former Florida head ball coach has been taken to task by Matt Hayes. (AP photo)
The Georgia Bulldogs haven’t had the sunniest of offseasons — and there’s still a whole summer to go! — but Matt Hayes of Sporting News offers a bit of reading guaranteed to warm the Red & Black heart. It’s about Urban Meyer and Florida, and if you happen to hate the Gators this will serve as the feel-good story of the spring.
It commences with a killer anecdotal lead (or lede, as we say in the trade): The Urban Crier, who’s now coaching Ohio State, tells the family of recruit Stephon Diggs he wouldn’t let his son go to Florida because of “character issues in the locker room.”
Writes Hayes: “[Those] character issues … we now know were fueled by a culture Meyer created.”
And then Hayes has at it, detailing — mostly via unnamed sources, we should note — just how the Urbanator created a two-tier system in Gainesville: Either you were a star and a member of his “Circle of Trust,” or you weren’t. (Meyer to Hayes: “I’ve never heard of Circle of Trust before in my life.”)
Hayes reports that Meyer pushed aside an injured player to clear scholarship room and that Florida covered up one-game suspensions for failed drug tests by having stars — Percy Harvin and that Georgia fan favorite Brandon Spikes among them — feign injury. The charming Harvin, Hayes recounts, once threw receivers coach Billy Gonzales to the ground. (Meyer to Hayes: “Something did happen and something was handled. I don’t think it’s fair to Percy Harvin or Billy Gonzales to talk about it.”)
Enough with the teasers. (I’m sorry. Here’s just one more: A former player calls Meyer a “great coach” but “a bad person.”) Just go read the story. It’s a dandy.
By Mark Bradley
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Shug
April 10th, 2012
8:01 am
Nothing new here. Tebow was the only thing Meyer or Florida ever had.
Ten Bears
April 10th, 2012
8:02 am
Awesome!
GT
April 10th, 2012
8:07 am
In four years which SEC team has signed and actually suited up (not talking about over signing) the most players. I say this noticing Georgia has room for 30 scholarships this year, Tech only has 14, not because of probation but because the kids stay in the program 4 years. Does Florida do this too? I wonder if these out of control programs have an agenda. I mean if Georgia could have signed Cam Newton and then had him either play or be booted off the team, they were talking about him being a tight end at Georgia, that would have stopped Auburn from winning a national championship even if it didn’t help Georgia which would know what to do with a Cam Newton. I think these teams should be carefully watched and if they lose players for whatever reason, it shouldn’t open up a spot for another boxcar of players to be run though.
In basketball a senior on the Kentucky basketball team noticed he had played with 40 different players in the 4 years he had been at Kentucky.
Egbert
April 10th, 2012
8:12 am
If I could call three time outs in a row here to rub it into Urban’s face, I would. What a piece of trash. He has left the program in shambles. What’s ironic is that I have a lot of Gator friends (I know, we all have our own baggage) and they all hate him, too.
Silver Creek Dawg
April 10th, 2012
8:15 am
GT, many people believe UGA intentionally didn’t sign many prospects this past February (only 19) because the class of 2013 is loaded and they wanted as many scholarships open as possible. It may be the best ever HS class in Georgia.
GStateBen
April 10th, 2012
8:16 am
Georgia State goes to Sun Belt and you want to talk about a former Coach????? We are the REAL NEWS MARK!! GSU WILL OWN THIS STATE!
Dr. Phil
April 10th, 2012
8:18 am
Why is it that coaches who profess to be the most devout run programs with the most “character issues?”
Bill
April 10th, 2012
8:20 am
Must be part of the job requirments at the ajc sports dept.Trash the University of Florida every chance you get.
K
April 10th, 2012
8:20 am
you mean it will beat the dream team silver. lol
RambleOn84
April 10th, 2012
8:21 am
Georgia State will wallow in sub-mediocrity in the Sun Belt Conference for at least a few more years…not rubbing it in; on the contrary, I’d like to see Georgia State do well.
But the current climate of D1 college football is all about the “haves” and “have-nots.” No room for newcomers…I hope I’m wrong, but I know I’m not.
JackDennis
April 10th, 2012
8:22 am
Any piece knocking anything Gator, is ok by me.
GaTruth
April 10th, 2012
8:22 am
@GT – Players stay four years at Tech because, “What else are they going to do?” If you have pro talent, they leave – from every program. Dismissals for a lack of character is a different story. HELLLOOOO MR. METTENBERGER!
RambleOn84
April 10th, 2012
8:24 am
As for the article, Meyer isn’t much different than most of these other coaches. His ego is the most important thing in his world.
He might have exalted guys like Harvin, but you can rest assured it wasn’t because he had any love for those particular players. The more guys he put in the NFL, the better it made HIM look.
Though we many times fall on the wrong side of the scoreboard, it makes me thankful to have a good guy like Paul Johnson at the helm.
Georgia fans should feel the same way about Mark Richt.
GStateBen
April 10th, 2012
8:24 am
@RambleOn84 – Your program will not survive much longer when we start owning everyone! Our City Now Bees!
WTF
April 10th, 2012
8:24 am
Love, hate or ambi – stories based upon “mostly via unnamed sources, we should note” should never be written. And should never be ‘reported’ on by downstream writers. If you aren’t man enough to say it to one’s face or for actual publication, it isn’t worth 2 cents.
Just more mid-week space filling for Bradley and the AJC – to surround the video ads and pop-ups that make up the bulk of the paper and the online version.
At least Bradley notes the unamed-ness of the tellers of these tales. Just know it could be fiction, but it is surely prosaic.
RambleOn84
April 10th, 2012
8:25 am
Plenty of guys have left Tech with eligibility remaining in recent years. NFL, desire for more playing time, graduating early, etc.
Don’t throw stones…
RambleOn84
April 10th, 2012
8:26 am
Wrote about Urban (and other coaches like him) being only about themselves and their inflated egos…got lost in the filter…
But I’m sure plenty of inflammatory and derogatory comments will pass unscathed through that same filter.
Worm
April 10th, 2012
8:27 am
Sounds like Ohio State just hired “Jim Tressel” 2.
RambleOn84
April 10th, 2012
8:28 am
GStateBen,
You have a very poor attitude and disposition against a clearly superior team. How did GSU do last year? Lost to some NAIA team, if I remember correctly (along with nearly everyone else).
Considering I was being quite civil, I don’t understand your constant hostility towards Tech.
Did some Tech graduate hurt your feelings somewhere along the line?
tim
April 10th, 2012
8:33 am
and through it all the Mighty Gators kicked the living crap out of the dogs, and rubbed it in there collective faces…so after we kicked your flea bitten butts you can say anything you want …what I say is…2 National Championships…
GStateBen
April 10th, 2012
8:34 am
Superior? Please
It is our time to bring a football team this city can be proud of.
Your stadium attendance is shrinking and you are TERRIBLE.
Our time is now! GO PANTHERS!!!!
DawgInaTruck
April 10th, 2012
8:40 am
Don’t waste your time RambleOn, Tech is a national brand and plays in a BCS conference. Apples and oranges…if that.
Gator Phil
April 10th, 2012
8:42 am
It’s embarrassing if even 25 % of the article is true. Thankfully, the cancer is now Ohio State’s potential problem. The jury’s out on whether Muschamp will be the answer. Certainly, only one season with only 72 scholarship athletes isn’t a fair chance, but at least he showed backbone than Meyer ever did by kicking Jenkins off the team. I believe the team had more high character guys than Tebow (Ahmad Black, Pouncey twins), but I wonder how those guys survived. The story about Meyer telling Diggs not to go to UF came straight from Diggs, so I have no reason to doubt that one.
I’ll still defend the TWO timeouts(not three) called by Meyer in 2008 as payback for for a far cheaper shot of rushing the field in the first quarter by uga in 2007-one that could’ve been dangerous by Coach Good Christian.
GStateBen
April 10th, 2012
8:42 am
@DawgInaTruck – Talk about a team that has not done anything.
Best Recruits = ????
Nothing… you have done NOTHING! We will be the flagship!
DawgInaTruck
April 10th, 2012
8:44 am
The article is interesting to be sure but it still consists of a story regarding a program and it’s former coach. You will always have hurt feelings in such a scenario so it is hard to know exactly where the truth/fiction line is.
Big Crimson 75
April 10th, 2012
8:45 am
Saban ran Urban out of the SEC.
It all started @ the ‘09 SEC CG.
The new Sheriff came to town.
GStateBen
April 10th, 2012
8:45 am
So Mark… where is our article?
DawgInaTruck
April 10th, 2012
8:47 am
Phil I think it does demonstrate how tough Muschamp’s job has been to date but it also demonstrates how well he is apparently doing when you consider he is recruiting lights-out under these circumstances. I believe Florida will return to prominence a lot sooner than many seem to.
Dr. C
April 10th, 2012
8:51 am
Sporting News… Florida… I assumed from the link that this was a story about the demise of baseball spring training. I wistfully recall Sporting News as my baseball stat/story source in the days before cable tv and internet.
Facts
April 10th, 2012
8:52 am
The Florida fans love the story to smack Urban Around, and the Ohio State Fans say he is the greatest thing since Archie Griffin.
The real thing is we have seen the drugs, the arrest, the lack of care about the program, the individualism and the coaches having favorites. And THAT IS NOT FLORIDA, it is at GEORGIA.
Signing dumb players( which UGA does) requires the Head Coach to keep much tighter leashes on the lower I.Q. players. CMR just lets them run wild, smoke dope, beat women, bust up bars, and drive around without licenses. What Urban let happen at Florida also happened at FSU with Coach Bowden and has permeated the program at UGA because the Head Coach is weak and will do anything to get a win.. All the while the graduation rates fall, and the arrest go up.
And those are todays facts. It hurts UGA fans doesn’t it.
gdawginkalamazoo
April 10th, 2012
8:57 am
At least the OSU coach could keep his motorcycle upright.
BG
April 10th, 2012
8:57 am
Meyer ran a shaddy program while at UF.
Trojan
April 10th, 2012
8:59 am
It’s called corruption. Meyer is full of cr_p.
reckingball
April 10th, 2012
8:59 am
The SEC seems to produce a lot of slimeball coaches and football programs.
Trojan
April 10th, 2012
9:01 am
Gator Phil: How can anything be dangerous on a football field? Your heart felt concern for player safety is touching.
Urban was (and is) a cheater and you were ok with it as long as you won. Now enjoy karma.
GT
April 10th, 2012
9:09 am
GaTruth, DUI, driving with expired driver’s licenses, stealing stuff from you roommates, hitting girlfriends, drugs, and flunking out of school are exactly what the pros are looking for. It matches the set they already have. Georgia arguing about character with Florida is like two bald men fighting over a comb. At least if Florida is in the sewer they were winning in that sewer, Georgia runs the same kind of program and doesn’t get the same results. Urban won national championships and settled for SEC championships, nuff said.
redcoat
April 10th, 2012
9:09 am
Meyers = Sean Payton….?
Gator Mike
April 10th, 2012
9:14 am
I admit that I was snookered by Meyer’s “holier than thou” attitude. I ahave a number of friends who are UGA, SoCar, UT and BAMA fans who often told me that they saw something phoney in Meyer. They were correct, but I was wearing rose colored glasses which tainted my perception. The indicators were there. I remember the Hawaii game in ‘08 when Harvin, Spikes and Hernandez showed up wearing ankle boots. The guy sitting next to me said something like “this smells like @@@@”. Meyer imploded from SEC pressure and BAMA caused him to freak out. Having Addazio as the O Coordinator was a recipe for failure.
Meyer’s decision to take 3 time outs aginst UGA the year after the silly DAWG Dance showed his true character. He should have stayed above the issue. Meyer should have not been allowed back after he quit the first time. Will Muschamp has his hands full, but indications are that he is fixing the program. I am on the Muschamp band wagon, and I really like the guy even if he is a DAWG because he is a good person.
It will be fun watching meyer fold at ohio state and then hid under his wife’s skirt once again. He did great things for UF, but he also created a lot of problems which are still being corrected.
The irony is that he won the BCS Title in 06 with mostly Zook’s players.
Go Gators.
RambleOn84
April 10th, 2012
9:14 am
At least Richt doesn’t cover up his players’ indiscretions, “GT.”
Say what you want about Richt, but he’s a stand-up guy.
So is Paul Johnson.
Pot calling Kettle
April 10th, 2012
9:21 am
Drive-by murder and rape much, GT?
heartofdarkness
April 10th, 2012
9:22 am
I wonder whether the boards of trustees deliberations at these universities, assessing their athletic programs, ever rise above the level in these blogs.
GT Alum
April 10th, 2012
9:23 am
Just win, baby.
bucket
April 10th, 2012
9:24 am
The Sporting News article does nothing to change the fact that Florida was a dominant force in the NCAA while Meyer was at Florida and they have 2 MNC’s to prove it. What it does do is shine the light on the fact that generally speaking whenever a team rises to national prominence there are almost always very serious discipline issues simmering below the surface. No one blows the whistle on it because they don’t want the good times to end. However, whenever there is a coaching change and/or the winning stops people start to spill the beans.
Tommy O'Flatulence
April 10th, 2012
9:24 am
Who hasn’t seen MEET THE PARENTS and heard of “Circle of Trust” in pop-culture?
I’m calling “Shenanigans!” on Meyer.
Facts
April 10th, 2012
9:25 am
Urban Meyer is such a sleeze bag. The funny thing about that article is the divided of comments about the article between Florida Fans and Ohio State Fans. To OSU fans he is the savior to the program. The even more funnier thing is that MANY UGA fans are blinded by their pride that they do not see the same thing going on at their program in Athens. Failed Drug test, multiple arrest, players getting special treatment, and embarrassing headlines by players. Some coaches just do not have backbone and allow their program to be taken over by lower I.Q. student athletes who the coaches believe will save their jobs with wins.
Coach Bowden let players take over his program at FSU, Coach Trussel let players take over his program and it cost him his job, Mark Richt has let too many players take over his program and it looks like until TG came along some players maybe were completely out of control and some players with the suspensions still are.
CMR is weak and if he keeps signing these lower IQ high school stars who are only about “me” he will soon find himself coaching somewhere else who wants to let the players run the program.
These are your FACTS of the Day!
Dawg Tired
April 10th, 2012
9:26 am
Mark – The Hayes article in Sporting News is an interesting read but I would take most of it with a grain of salt. It seems to clearly be written with some kind of agenda. He seems to be upset with Meyer because he left Forida for “health reasons” and a year later is signing on to coach OSU.
I don’t believe many folks ever thought Urban Meyer was a “good person.” However, he is a very good football coach. Would I want my son playing for him? No, but I wouldn’t want my son playing for Nick “I’m not going to be the football coach at the University of Alabama” Saban or Bobby “you wanted go fro a ride on my motorcycle” Petrino either. But you gotta admit, all three can coach a football team to the highest level.
Bottom line: In the culture you and I live in today, none of the scumbag stuff matters as long as you “win baby win.” And Urban Meyer will win and win big at OSU because he will be the only coach in the Big 10 (ther are actually 12 teams in the Big 10?) who will openly, even proudly, not honor the so-called ‘gentleman’s agreement” the other coaches are honoring. He will also win because he is an outstanding football coach. In this day and time it is totally irrelevant that he is “not a good person.”
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:26 am
“Nothing new here. Tebow was the only thing Meyer or Florida ever had.”
Yeah, except UF won without Tebow in 06. Try again.
Highlands
April 10th, 2012
9:26 am
Well obviously the program was run by a complete hypocrite; the past two seasons have shown us exactly what type of man you have in Urban Meyer. That seems to be fairly indisputable. To his credit, though, he did win two National Championships so each fan must decide ON THEIR OWN what they will tolerate in order to win.
On a side note, GStateBen: I admire your school spirit.Since you are obviously new to the state, allow me to fill you in on the logistics here: UGA is more popular than GT, GSU, the Falcons the Hawks COMBINED. Your school is just below Parkview and Brookwood in terms of local interest. If you have to troll stories abut other schools for anyone to notice you, you are not “big time”.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:27 am
“I mean if Georgia could have signed Cam Newton and then had him either play or be booted off the team, they were talking about him being a tight end at Georgia, that would have stopped Auburn from winning a national championship ”
But they didn’t and Auburn did win the national championship.
Lena Lei
April 10th, 2012
9:27 am
Georgia arguing about character with Florida is like two bald men fighting over a comb.
And Muck Richt is an even bigger sleazebag than Meyer. By a mile.
Dawg Whisperer
April 10th, 2012
9:29 am
The Sporting News article is yet further evidence that college football has evolved into a minor league of sorts for the NFL. It is big time sports driven by big time money. It is pure hypocrisy for any fan base to point fingers at another school because all fans welcome wins at the cost of the original intention, i.e., lest anyone forget, college is about education. Take big revenue out of the equation which means coaches paid roughly equivalent to college professors and you’ll probably have a sport on a level that fans won’t embrace. The moral of the story… everyone needs to shut up, you get what you ask for.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:29 am
I love how some, not all, UGA fans rejoice when other teams fall apart. UGA can not compete with the big boys of the SEC which is why they schedule cupcakes to avoid the LSU’s and Bama’s. I know that UGA has had current success against Auburn but still, UGA is NOWHERE near LSU or Bama.
With that said, Mark Bradley is a curse to GA sports. The Atlanta Braves for instance.
Facts
April 10th, 2012
9:29 am
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:26 am
“Nothing new here. Tebow was the only thing Meyer or Florida ever had.”
Yeah, except UF won without Tebow in 06. Try again.
Remove the Name “Tebow” insert Newton, Remove the Name “Meyer” and insert Chizik, remove the name “Florida” and insert Auburn and you have the exact same thing.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:29 am
“Sounds like Ohio State just hired “Jim Tressel” 2″
Urban Meyer has never gotten a team put on probation. Try again.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:30 am
“Remove the Name “Tebow” insert Newton, Remove the Name “Meyer” and insert Chizik, remove the name “Florida” and insert Auburn and you have the exact same thing.”
Yes, you have a national championship. Also, Newton is doing quite well in the NFL in case you forgot about that.
Try again.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:31 am
Facts
Here’s a nice fact for you.
Panthers quarterback Cam Newton broke Peyton Manning’s single-season rookie record for most yards passing in a season in Carolina’s 48-16 win over Tampa Bay Saturday.
Manning’s record was 3,739 yards.
Newton came in needing 18 yards to break the record and did it with a 7-yard completion to Brandon LaFell on the game’s first drive. Newton was 3 for 3 on the opening drive for 20 yards as the Panthers scored on a nine-play, 80-yard touchdown drive.
Source: ESPN
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:32 am
“The Georgia Bulldogs haven’t had the sunniest of offseasons”
Nope, so quit crying about about other schools.
PMC
April 10th, 2012
9:33 am
Urban is a very good football coach. He’s just Phony. He’s always been full of it and himself but he’s won championships too and they aren’t taking them away just like they aren’t striking Tressell’s from the record for Maurice Clarett and his cheating at Youngstown.
It’s not really the shady dealing that bothers me, that’s big time college athletics. It is what it is. If we wanted a clean system we would have one (and it would be terrible to watch)
When the guy goes through all this BS about quitting for his family/health…. to watch volleyball games etc I want to punch them in the face. Coaches do not care about their families… otherwise they wouldn’t have a career that affords them no time to spend with family. Urban took his year off in freaking Bristol. Stop peeing in my cheerios and telling me it’s milk. Just be genuine for once in your life.
Facts
April 10th, 2012
9:34 am
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:30 am
“Remove the Name “Tebow” insert Newton, Remove the Name “Meyer” and insert Chizik, remove the name “Florida” and insert Auburn and you have the exact same thing.”
Yes, you have a national championship. Also, Newton is doing quite well in the NFL in case you forgot about that.
Try again
And you have 3 players, one whose jury selection started yesterday who committed armed Robbery, and another player kicked off and sent to Arkansas St who sold dope all over East Alabama….9 arrest in one year at Auburn…..and Auburn tried to cover it up..too funny….buying a BCS title…..way to go….
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:34 am
Facts
Yeah Richt lets them run wild. That’s why we have so many players suspended.
Other schools turn their heads and ignore the problems so the kids can play.
Richt actually punishes them and gives them an opportunity for a life lesson.
But you keep believing what you want to believe in your little delusional “I Hate UGA” existence you call a life.
We've been pretty fortunate
April 10th, 2012
9:34 am
Dodd, Dooley, Rogers, Ross, Richt, Curry – all good character coaches
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:36 am
Facts
UGA grad rates have risen exponentially since Richt arrived.
PMC
April 10th, 2012
9:36 am
I wish more coaches were honest rather than spout flowery BS when asked questions.
Paul Johnson may be acerbic, but I trust him a little more than most to be telling the truth. I guarantee you Bobby Petrino preaches ethics and character for his players…. while providing the absolute model for how not to live your life.
Facts
April 10th, 2012
9:36 am
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:31 am
Facts
Here’s a nice fact for you.
Panthers quarterback Cam Newton broke Peyton Manning’s single-season rookie record for most yards passing in a season in Carolina’s 48-16 win over Tampa Bay Saturday.
Manning’s record was 3,739 yards.
Newton came in needing 18 yards to break the record and did it with a 7-yard completion to Brandon LaFell on the game’s first drive. Newton was 3 for 3 on the opening drive for 20 yards as the Panthers scored on a nine-play, 80-yard touchdown drive.
What does that have to do with the article, your initial comment or the facts of the case..Nothing….
Tebow never got into trouble, he never had an NCAA investigation for 10 months and is now in the NFL….history…you are an idiot…this is about the coaches of the college teams allowing players to run the program.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:37 am
“And you have 3 players, one whose jury selection started yesterday who committed armed Robbery”
And that has what to do with Newton?
“9 arrest in one year at Auburn”
12 arrests in one year at UGA.
“buying a BCS title…..way to go….”
So where’s the probation? Where’s the evidence?
Try again.
Facts
April 10th, 2012
9:38 am
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:36 am
Facts
UGA grad rates have risen exponentially since Richt arrived.
Maybe since they arrived….but in the past 4 years( while the program has gone through some major difficulties) the graduation rates have fallen…
Herschel Talker
April 10th, 2012
9:38 am
MB:
Urban is an embarrassment of a human being. The lowest form of pond scum. Mark Richt is a terrible coach, but he is about as good as they come as a human being.
HT
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:39 am
“Other schools turn their heads and ignore the problems so the kids can play.”
Really? Auburn kicked all three of those guys off the team. Chizik kicked Dyer off the team.
Not every school caters to thug life.
Joe 12-Pack
April 10th, 2012
9:39 am
It is well worth your time to read that article. And not just for Gator haters. More fuel against the smuggest team in the nation: Ohio State.
I wonder how well Urban would’ve done without Tebow to keep things calm.
George Stein
April 10th, 2012
9:39 am
Head Corch Irvin Meyers may have created his own damn headaches.
bucket
April 10th, 2012
9:40 am
Since the name Cam Newton has been brought up I will ask the question that has never been adequately answered: We know that Urban Meyer, though a good coach, is a win-at-all-cost kind of guy. If he had held onto Cam he would have been almost assured another national championship the year after Tebow left. We know that Urban Meyer was not a dummy and that he knew that Cam Newton was better than any other QB he had at Florida not named Tebow. So why would Urban Meyer allow Cam Newton to leave? What did Cam Newton do that was so bad that even Urban Meyer couldn’t cover it up and keep him @ Florida for another MNC run?
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:40 am
Facts
You said the inmates are running the asylum in Athens. That Richt has no control.
I challenge that big time
Donnan?
Different story.
Overall in the 11 years Richt has been there, he has made every effort to improve the academics and the character of these kids. Some listen some don’t.
You bash him like he is Petrino.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:41 am
“What does that have to do with the article, your initial comment or the facts of the case..Nothing….”
Ok, you’re not a smart person. First, you compared Newton to Tebow. I showed a fact to back up my point about Newton not being Tebow.
Newton can actually throw the ball.
“Tebow never got into trouble, he never had an NCAA investigation for 10 months and is now in the NFL….history…you are an idiot”
Ok retard, you wanna really go there? Geez little girl, you have the IQ of a carrot.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:42 am
“So why would Urban Meyer allow Cam Newton to leave?”
Because he went with Brantley. He thought Brantley was the better QB. No one knew Cam would be that good. Urban was bitter when Cam shined at Auburn.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:43 am
Auburn fan
Has “Facts” shared with us who his team is since apparently Jesus Christ is the Head Coach and Moses is the Offensive Coordinator??
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:44 am
DawginLex
You seem like the only sensible UGA fan on this blog.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:44 am
Pretty sure Urban didn’t have the final say in Cam leaving UF. The school kicked him out didn’t they?
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:44 am
DawginLex
Facts is an angry human being.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:45 am
“The school kicked him out didn’t they?”
There’s never been a story, I don’t think there has, about Cam getting kicked out. From what I’ve heard, from UF students, he left on his own because he would have sat behind Tebow.
If Cam is so bad, why has he been squeaky clean ever since that incident?
Facts
April 10th, 2012
9:46 am
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:41 am
“What does that have to do with the article, your initial comment or the facts of the case..Nothing….”
Ok, you’re not a smart person. First, you compared Newton to Tebow. I showed a fact to back up my point about Newton not being Tebow.
Newton can actually throw the ball.
“Tebow never got into trouble, he never had an NCAA investigation for 10 months and is now in the NFL….history…you are an idiot”
Ok retard, you wanna really go there? Geez little girl, you have the IQ of a carrot.
Are you stupid are what? The comment was about Urban Meyer winning because he had TEBOW, and you commented that without Tebow that Urban does not win a BCS title at Florida and my comment was that Chizik does not win a BCS title without his one year wonder NEWTON….now is that clear enough for you or do we need to draw you a picture.
GSUTodd
April 10th, 2012
9:46 am
To much “me” in lieu of “we” nowadays. That pertains to Urban Meyer, Sean Payton and most of the kids from the current generation. Florida should turn it around though…too much talent in that state.
GaStateBen: How about we win some sort of championship before stirring up the UGA and Tech fans. Their scout teams would whip us good if a game was played today.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:47 am
“Are you stupid are what?”
OH THE IRONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ma’am, if you’re going to insult me, at least use proper english.
Have a nice day, troglodyte.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:48 am
“Chizik does not win a BCS title without his one year wonder NEWTON….now is that clear enough for you or do we need to draw you a picture.”
Yes little girl, draw me a picture of Newton winning the championship. I’ll give it to your mom when she leaves.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:48 am
NCAA never found anything on Newton so in my book it’s over
I said all along that Tebow is florida’s Herschel and that Meyer was smoke and mirrors and would flop without him
Dean
April 10th, 2012
9:49 am
Have to admit, Georgia state is on the way up. Babysteps! Miami was once the little, new kid on the block. In a few years they will own the Sunbelt and a bigger conference will come calling.
CMR
April 10th, 2012
9:49 am
Honestly, it was just a lucky coincidence that I suspended three tailbacks for the New Mexico State game even though they failed their drug tests before the Florida game. Honestly. Nothing to see here.
Facts
April 10th, 2012
9:49 am
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:47 am
“Are you stupid are what?”
OH THE IRONY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ma’am, if you’re going to insult me, at least use proper english.
Have a nice day, troglodyte
Yeah you need to get back to the SWAP SHOP, and see if the jury has been selected for your Football players trial in Auburn….the best thing to happen to AUBURN was getting VG as your DC and that still will not even be close to enough to make it to the upper half of the SEC….
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:51 am
“NCAA never found anything on Newton so in my book it’s over
THANK YOU!!!!!!!! My gosh, people have trashed that man for almost 2 years now. I still don’t think he took any money and if he did, he’d go down as the best liar ever in college football. Whenever a person has that much scrutiny thrown at him by the media, they usually crash and burn. Newton was fantastic and had the best year of ANY college football player outside of Walker.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:52 am
Here we go again
another idiot revisiting the UGA drug policy
UGA lawyers mandate that the policy be followed to the letter. That means nothing can be done until the results have gone through the lab. Dipstick tests show false positives all the time.
The test results were not vetted by the lab until the week after the florida game.
Now go crawl back in your hole
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:52 am
“Yeah you need to get back to the SWAP SHOP, and see if the jury has been selected for your Football players trial in Auburn….the best thing to happen to AUBURN was getting VG as your DC and that still will not even be close to enough to make it to the upper half of the SEC….”
Keep typing, troglodyte. You’re looking more and more like an idiot with every key stroke.
Believe me
April 10th, 2012
9:53 am
if CMR has to suspend someone, regardless of the opponent, he will do it.
CMR
April 10th, 2012
9:53 am
and another idiot swallows whole what his favorite school feeds him. Sounds like you’re in the market for a bridge!
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:54 am
There isn’t one single squeaky clean school out there. Coaches can only do so much to keep the teams clean. Boosters pay players and coaches have to deal with it.
Dean
April 10th, 2012
9:54 am
I think Meyer is a great coach with questionable character. I never thought that offense would work and while I was wrong, I think it only succeeded because he had Tebow. I think OSU will be good but not great and my bet is that Michigan starts to win the rivalry more often.
Gator Mike, rose colored glasses can be a bad thing. Unfortunately we all wear them in regards to our teams.
Bob
April 10th, 2012
9:54 am
Circle of Trust=Circle of the Black Thorn
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:54 am
Don’t know where you have been but BVG was pretty darn good at UGA
He does still have sweet Willie coaching the secondary………….
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:54 am
Things Meyer couldn’t do at UF.
1: Go undefeated.
2: Beat Auburn.
Joey
April 10th, 2012
9:55 am
You lost me at, “unnamed sources,” mr hayes.
bucket
April 10th, 2012
9:56 am
@ Auburn Fan – surely you jest! There’s no way that Meyer thought Brantley was the better QB. I think DawginLex is much closer to the truth on that one. Water under the bridge now, it just ticks me off when people get on the “UGA offered Cam Newton as a TE” crap again when they know that doesn’t even begin to tell the whole story. First, UGA already had a commitment from a guy who was a pretty good QB in Matthew Stafford and secondly, Cam didn’t stay out of trouble at Florida, so how was he supposed to stay out of trouble in Athens?
I do agree with you about Facts.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
9:56 am
CMR
Nah, just speaking facts
Lawyers tend to deal in facts and that is who is advising Coach Richt and Greg McGarity.
It is university policy.
You follow it or you get sued.
I know your brain can’t comprehend real world stuff so get your mommy to explain it to you.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
9:57 am
I wonder whatever happened to that guy who called himself “UGAINSIDER?” He used to come up with the craziest stories about how Auburn was going to lose its accreditation.
Dean
April 10th, 2012
9:57 am
Auburn fan, I’m interested in your take on Chizik. Is he a good coach or did he win because he had Newton? The sample size outside of that one year doesn’t bode well but I don’t follow AU enough to really know the results. He’s a good recruiter, I’ll give him that but can he keep up with Saban?
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:00 am
“There’s no way that Meyer thought Brantley was the better QB. ”
Like I said, that’s what UF students told me.
” Cam didn’t stay out of trouble at Florida, so how was he supposed to stay out of trouble in Athens?
I don’t know. He stayed out of trouble at Auburn. That I do know.
Mark Bradley
April 10th, 2012
10:02 am
I can believe that a coach might have thought Cameron Newton wasn’t a great quarterback. Opinions can (and will) differ.
I seem to remember one coach who thought he’d make a fine tight end.
Mark Bradley
April 10th, 2012
10:03 am
And I’ll agree on this point: The NCAA has closed the Cam Newton case as regards Auburn. That’s the fact, Jack.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:03 am
Dean
The jury is still out on Chiz. He’s a hard worker and recruits very well considering having to share the state with Saban. Three top 10 classes is great. I mean, they lost 33 players last year and he did well to go 7-5. THey played the toughest schedule in the SEC last year having to travel everywhere.
I think the defense is going to be fantastic in the coming years and the offense will be fine. The QB position is a big question mark but Frazier and Pike are going to be great. We have 5 good running backs and handful of good receivers. Plus, we have two great fullbacks.
All in all, Chiz is an upstanding guy who doesnt’ hesitate to kick players off the team. He kicked Dyer, the best running back at AU, off the team without blinking.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:05 am
“I can believe that a coach might have thought Cameron Newton wasn’t a great quarterback.”
EXACTLY!!!!!!!! No one had ever heard of Cam before he became a stud at Auburn. Yes, teams wanted to recruit him but he was so under the radar.
Charles
April 10th, 2012
10:08 am
Amusing to read the Techie’s comments on anyone else’s character. Newsflash, you’re the ones of probation. Hey, we have some kids make some dumb mistakes and even some flat out unacceptable ones, but at least our administration and the folks we have responsible for the program do things the right way instead of covering up the truth. Talk about a lack of character. You’re breaking every window in that glass house, Techies.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:08 am
“And I’ll agree on this point: The NCAA has closed the Cam Newton case as regards Auburn.”
I still think players should be paid because they bring in millions for universities. Cam was, by a million miles, better than any college football player in 2010. I was fine with AJ Green selling his jersey and think the NCAA was a joke in that ruling.
CMR
April 10th, 2012
10:09 am
Sure, Homer. Try to understand this. Between privacy laws and the usual secrecy of coaches, it’s almost impossible to get a true understanding of what goes on behind a program’s closed doors. Tons of money and people’s careers are at stake. Richt learned from the master of cutting corners while dishing out back slaps and that ol’ time religion. If you think that doesn’t/couldn’t happen at UGA, then you’re a fool.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
10:09 am
Facts never did tell us his team
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:10 am
Dean
Look at it this way. Chizik won a championship at Auburn. Something that Tubbs, Dye and Bowden couldn’t do. Not that they couldn’t but they didn’t. Chizik took Auburn into Tuscalloser and won against Saban and the mighty Bammer defense. Something that only one other school had done since Saban arrived.
In my book, Chizik will always be the greatest coach ever at Auburn, besides Shug. Dye is a snake.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:11 am
“Facts never did tell us his team’
New Mexico State
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
10:12 am
CMR
No you are a fool for continuing to argue why the coaches and the AD followed the university policy.
You are an idiot. That is clear.
Richt cuts corners?
Richt goes out of his way to do things the right way and you bash him as a corner cutter.
Tell us your team??
Who is your coach who always does things right?
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:12 am
Now on another note,WTF is going on with the Braves?
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:13 am
DawginLex
Don’t let that guy get under your skin.
Remember, UGA and Auburn have one fantastic thing in common. WE DON’T HAVE BOOBY PETRINO AS HEAD COACH!!!!!!!!
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
10:19 am
True, but the Braves still suck and Fredi is gonna get run out of town
UGAGrad95
April 10th, 2012
10:20 am
RambleOn84 is the most intelligent person on this blog. Well said. CPJ and Richt seem to handle discipline as the arise and try to prevent them. What demographic is more undependable that 18-22 year old males?
blazerdawg
April 10th, 2012
10:21 am
Braves and Twins are setting up a 2013 repeat of 1991.
CMR
April 10th, 2012
10:22 am
No coach always does things right. That’s the point. I’m sorry if I was too subtle for you before. Even Richt. I’m not bashing him. Just laughing at some Georgia fans’ unblinking willingness to believe what his school says (because that’s all you have to go on with respect to the tailback suspensions) and to believe the worst about rival schools. The truth is that this goes on everywhere. “The Senator” Tressel was held up as shining example of doing things the right way, until he was exposed. I don’t think Richt is as bad as most, but he didn’t last this long in the SEC without making some deals with the devil.
Go For 2
April 10th, 2012
10:25 am
Classic Mark Bradley…just commenting on something another person wrote and using it as a column…nice work Mark.
GF2
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:26 am
“but the Braves still suck and Fredi is gonna get run out of town
Fredi was an awful hire in the first place. Francona is available….
GStateBen
April 10th, 2012
10:29 am
ha
GStateBen
April 10th, 2012
10:31 am
We will dominate..
Both Tech and UGA are showing attendance problems.
We will be ready to step up.
I’m working on a blog that will talk about State’s plan to take over.
PMC
April 10th, 2012
10:33 am
Half of all NFL scouts and commentators thought Cam Newton would flame out. You don’t think Urban Meyer could pick John Brantley who was Florida through and through over Cam who had dicipline problems?
The problem for him is that Cam was perfect for his system, Brantley was more like Chris Leak.
Mistakes get made with talent all the time.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
10:33 am
As long as Bill Curry is your head coach, winning will be scarce.
Great man
LOUSY COACH
Wet Willie...keep on smiling
April 10th, 2012
10:35 am
One would like to know who is behind this story on Urban and why now? The arrest record at both UGA and UF is about the same but the trophy room is still empty (1980) at UGA. Notice the info about Urban doesn’t mention Cam Newton at all and that has meaning. The folks at UF didn’t mind releasing info on Cam’s laptop issues in addtion to his many traffice issues but this article not so much.
The auburn mafia are on full alert due to the trial taking place on one of the 4 trailer robbers. Drug test results are being request by the defense from AU as part of the defense strategy. The former RB dyer has been served to appear as well. The AU guy here saying Gene doesn’t put up with much is full it because Dyer has been into this and that since he arrived at AU. Karma is alive and well at AU. The All IN and Amen Corner Family folks are in danger of being unmasked for what they really are and it would be great for the rest (most already know) what is behind the curtain and the Corrupt School of Banking at Lee County. The only way they can complete is to cheat and they’re darn good at it as well.
packup
April 10th, 2012
10:38 am
urban lied about his health problem and “spending time” with his family, left the program in shambles and quickly took a job at osu, his dream school. A total phony.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:39 am
“Half of all NFL scouts and commentators thought Cam Newton would flame out.”
You mean half of all ESPN wannabe scouts. Cam was fantastic at the combine. Gruden said he is the best QB he’s ever seen come out of college football. His words. The only people who thought Cam would flame out were angry ESPN commentators who were upset because Cam proved them wrong.
When will Todd McShay and Mel Kipper apologize?
GStateBen
April 10th, 2012
10:40 am
@DawginLex – you just described Richt.. thanks for making my point.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:40 am
Wet Willie…keep on smiling
I love conspiracy theories. Keep on typing!
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:41 am
“The All IN and Amen Corner Family folks are in danger of being unmasked for what they really are”
HAHAHAAH!!!!!!!!!! Right, and next Auburn University will be shut down, right?
“The AU guy here saying Gene doesn’t put up with much is full it because Dyer has been into this and that since he arrived at AU.”
No he hasn’t. Quit lying, liar. Chiz kicked him off the team for drug use. He also kicked other players off the team as well.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:42 am
“As long as Bill Curry is your head coach, winning will be scarce.”
The last time that guy was relevant was when Bammer fans were throwing bricks through his window.
UGA
April 10th, 2012
10:45 am
GAStateBen – Attendance problems? Ha! Do not confuse students hanging at the tailgate into the 2nd quarter with attendance problems. It cost $1,500 to renew this year, and that is to see Buffalo and Ga Southern. When those schools and UKy and Arky return tickets, we gobble em up – lately there have been more UGA fans at Sanford than ever, due to the weak home schedules – more tix returned for UGA.
PMC
April 10th, 2012
10:47 am
Auburn Fan, I was just giving an example. No disrespect to Cam at all, the guy was unbelievable last year. Jay Bilas crapped on Josh Smith. It’s just Talent evaluation, the question was how could Urban have chosen Brantley and let Cam go… my guess is that he didn’t feel it was worth the trouble after the laptop incident and or stuff we didn’t know about. Cam got his head on strait at juco and it was on from there. Perfect player for the system at AU.
Dean
April 10th, 2012
10:47 am
Auburn fan, you will have a great defense under Van Gorder. That guy can coach! The only problem with him is he changes jobs constantly. I’ll defer to your opinion on great Auburn coaches since you are a fan. But c’mon, better than Dye! It takes so much luck along with everything else to win. Dye could have and should have been given a chance to play for the title in 84 (?). That guy turned the program around and that was while Bear was still coaching at Bama. But honestly, I don’t know. it just appears a stretch. But he did win the Naty and that goes a long, long way.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:52 am
PMC
I understand and I didn’t think that you were being a jerk or anything. I’m not sure the whole laptop incident was why Urban let Cam go. I mean some of those players at UF did far worse things. Spikes etc. I’m not saying what Cam did was right, it’s just that players do far worse things. See: ex-Auburn players on trial for robbery etc.
proudgator
April 10th, 2012
10:54 am
old news rehashed…and not even great filler material here.So,take great delight if it makes you haters feel better about your own lot….I live in the present and look forward to a good year and less of this kind of garbage
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:55 am
DawginLex
I was reading an Auburn blog on al.com about the new Heisman statues being unveiled.
Comments: “Pat Sullivan in throwing motion” Cam Newton in laptop throwing motion”
I laughed so hard that coffee is now all over my keyboard.
JB
April 10th, 2012
10:56 am
Interesting about the cover ups……….And if anyone thinks it ain’t going on at Bama is kidding themselves. Same gene pool. Same college life and temptations. Same 17,18 ,19 year old young men………………..But yet, NEVER any trouble. THE WHOLE State is on the take for that program…………..And watch the kool aid drinkers boo hoo this. LOL
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:58 am
JB
I’m in no way defending Bama but Saban has never led a team to probation. He does a good job of running a tight ship. He did the same thing at LSU.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
10:59 am
“THE WHOLE State is on the take for that program”
Well yeah, there’s nothing else there other than college football. At least GA has college ball and pro sports.
GTT
April 10th, 2012
11:03 am
Meyer is a bad person. It’s getting harder to cover it up, Urb. Luckily, he’s got a whole new “nation” of fans to enable him.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
11:03 am
Auburn
Arkansas fan held up a sign at a save Petrino rally that said:
“What’s wrong with scoring in the offseason?”
He and Jessica took their motorcycle trips around BEAVER LAKE!!!!
you can’t make this stuff up
JB
April 10th, 2012
11:04 am
AU Fan……….I agree….I’m just saying I don’t buy that a major University 250 miles from Athens, Ga, with the Same 18 year old young men living on a college campus, NEVER get in trouble?? No drinking, No fights, No weed, No women, No parties, No academic fraud, no curfew violations. Seems odd to me………………And please with the ” Saban won’t put up with it crap”…….And he probably doesn’t…………….It’s just handled within the “program”, not the police and the papers.
Charles
April 10th, 2012
11:06 am
For those who say Urban Meyer left UF in shambles… what are you drinking ? His recruiting class in 2010 was #1 in the country by all the experts…Had the THIEF and Academic fraud Cam Newton been able to stay in school at UF …none of you would have been saying any of this… I am sure that was Coach Meyer’s fault too. Regarding the arrests at UF… 30 over 6 years… there are alot of programs that top that and then some…(UGA)… he is a brilliant coach, a great motivator but not for everybody…UF is going through a natural transition and they want to blame it on somebody or something… Simple as that and Matt Hayes UNNAMED sources are not worth the paper they are written on… he wrote the article to grab attention and sell advertising in the slowest time of the year for sports.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
11:09 am
DawginLex
I’ve seen some really funny comments.
- Looks like she was riding two hogs.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
11:10 am
JB
Yeah, it all boils down to parenting and most of these kids don’t have parents. Coaches can only do so much….unless you’re Bobby Petrino. Sorry, had to get that in. Oops, that’s what she said.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
11:11 am
“Had the THIEF and Academic fraud Cam Newton been able to stay in school at UF”
Here we go again.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
11:11 am
Charles
For the 1,000,000,000,000 time. Cam bought a stolen laptop. He didn’t actually steal it. Not saying it was right, just get your facts straight.
Cobb Dawg
April 10th, 2012
11:13 am
So now after all this time I discover that this guy had every bit of character that I thought he had — which is to say none. OSU will either wind up with the same culture, and the same results, or they won’t win with Meyer as coach — he does it this way because he’s seen that it works (at least on the field, at least for a while) so I don’t look for him to change. And that business about having learned to control his stress — I wouldn’t buy that either. This guy is just a piece of work.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
11:13 am
I’ve been wondering how long it will take President Obama to blame Cam Newton for the bad economy.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
11:14 am
Hey Dawg fans, before you go and call Meyer names etc, remember that Jim Donnan is going to go to federal prison. I’m not dissing UGA in any way. I’m just saying that all schools have their faults when it comes to coaching.
Cobb Dawg
April 10th, 2012
11:15 am
@Wet Willie: Maybe instead of comparing arrest records between UF and UGA, we should be comparing the coaches’ respective records when it comes to showing those kids the door. My guess is CMR comes out way ahead on that score.
doug dawg
April 10th, 2012
11:25 am
yes, GT, tech has room for only 14 signees. they do stay for 4 years because. . . NO ONE WANTS THEM, CERTAINLY NOT THE NFL.
GTBob
April 10th, 2012
11:25 am
Urban Meyer, Saban, UGA’s continued problems, Bobby Petrino, Miles shadiness, Houston Nutt signing like 35 players a year. Man, the SEC is a classy football conference.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
11:29 am
“Man, the SEC is a classy football conference.”
Isn’t GT on probation right now?
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
11:29 am
“CERTAINLY NOT THE NFL.”
Calvin Johnson.
gdawginkalamazoo
April 10th, 2012
11:36 am
It is the SEC a neighborhood full of glass mansions. Some just have better window cleaners than others.
GTBob
April 10th, 2012
11:36 am
Isn’t GT on probation right now?
Yes, because our athletic director told someone something that he wasn’t supposed to. You equate that with the problems the SEC has?
PMC
April 10th, 2012
11:42 am
On Donnan going to prison, man he was a good recruiter huh.
Auburn Fan
April 10th, 2012
11:48 am
“You equate that with the problems the SEC has?’
Nope, just throwing your own insults back at you. You claimed that the SEC was this corrupt organization and I simply pointed out that GT is on probation.
SR CITIZEN DAWG
April 10th, 2012
11:48 am
Get a life ! What nonsensical gibberish and it does not add anything of value. Thankfully, the game is bigger than its “supposed” supporters.
GreenDawg
April 10th, 2012
11:56 am
Urban Meyer left because the October schedule. He tried to leave the year before his October schedule hit the first time. He took an October beating and left.
Will didn’t fare any better in October than Meyer did, with the exception of losing to Georgia.
Florida had 2 tough Octobers in a row, back to back, that’s all this ever was.
Not about talent, Meyer left plenty. Not about coaching, Muschamp had a good staff.
Was about:
1) schedule
2) 1st year for many coaches at UF last year
Not entitlement.
GTBob
April 10th, 2012
11:57 am
You claimed that the SEC was this corrupt organization
I didn’t say corrupt, I said classy. Two very different things. Although the SEC is probably pretty corrupt as well.
War Dang Dawg
April 10th, 2012
11:59 am
I said it before, and I’ll say it now: 13-0 or 0-12, they’re still Gators. They’re still the only school in the SEC that came within a hair of the NCAA death penalty for major recruiting violations. They’re still the school that had what would have been their first SEC title stripped for cheating, the same school that went 59 years without even an SEC title (which makes their current lack of humility so amusing to those of us who are older than 20), and they are still the school of Urban Meyer, Percy Harvin and Brandon Spikes.
Even the guy who came in and changed the losing and cheating culture – Spurrier – is not himself a classy person, but a whining crybaby who gloats when he wins and makes excuses when he loses.
A Gator is a Gator is a Gator. Their downfall was inevitable. It took 20 years, but Florida is finally settling back to its rightful, historical, mid-tier place in the SEC. Let’s hope it’s a long stay. Chomp chomp.
TheTruth
April 10th, 2012
12:05 pm
Seriously????????????? So because THUGA and the richter can’t win anything especially a NC…you people at the urinal and constipation write about ex football coaches of your rivals who you can’t beat on the field to make yourselves feel (somehow) better about yourselves when you’ll be missing more than half your defense next year because of drugs and thugs in your own program??????
That’s rich!!
Two Bits
April 10th, 2012
12:12 pm
@ GreenDawg – like most things in life, the answers are more complicated. There have been stories about entitlement issues for the past couple of seasons (many incoming guys who were born on third base and thought they hit a triple). I think that has been a significant issue for Muschamp. The talent question is tougher. Meyer left talent for the system that he ran. But that talent isn’t necessarily well suited for what Muschamp wants to do. So Muschamp is left with something of a square peg / round hole problem until his recruiting classes fill more of the roster.
Taxi Smith
April 10th, 2012
12:14 pm
Meyer should be right at home with the legacy of Woody Hayes.
DIT
April 10th, 2012
12:34 pm
This article has me in stitches. The story is mostly on heresay AND if you think Florida is going to fall into mediocrity you’re only fooling yourself. The state of Florida has too much HS talent. Hate em or love them UF has built a reputation for winning.
I’m a Dawg through and through, but I don’t think for a second that the gators should be over looked. They will be back into the thick of things in the SEC east this coming year.
My only complaint about Urban is that he said that he quit to spend time with family. One year later he’s back into coaching. Obviously that was a lie right there. One of my customers in JAX, whom is a booster, told me that he was caught messing around with another boosters wife and he did not want the story to get out so he quit. Family my eye.
Pete Go Blue
April 10th, 2012
12:49 pm
Ohio really should join the SEC, as their ethical standards would be the same — none. In Meyer, Ohio acquired the perfect coach for a program that relies on bending and breaking the rules in order to succeed — and has for years. In fact, I can almost imagine the interview process whereby Gordon “I hope the coach doesn’t fire me” Gee and Gene “It was all Tressel’s fault” Smith asked probing questions to make sure that Meyer would be willing to sink to the level that Ohio needs to reach to keep its win at all costs culture intact.
Marty Graw
April 10th, 2012
12:54 pm
The charge by Hayes that Meyer “pushed aside an injured player to clear scholarship room” was written to provoke an emotional response but in the real world of college football it’s not necessarily an evil action, depending on details we don’t know about. Mark Richt made a big deal about sticking with recruit Brent Benedict a couple of years ago after Benedict suffered a knee injury his senior year in high school. Back then Saint Mark was hailed for doing “the right thing”. Later when no one was looking, he forced the kid out because the knee never came around. Who’s the bigger jerk, Meyer or Richt? In fact, since Richt experienced what a hot seat felt like he began a systematic purge of unproductive players to the point he now has 30 scholarships to give and hopefully cool down his seat. I’m not condemning Richt. When his naïve belief that the Lord would take care of everything while he went on auto-pilot was found to be a recipe for disaster, he decided to grow a pair and run his operation like the business it is, even if feelings get hurt. Changes in a person have always been grist for writers, and if the great moralizers Bradley and Schultz were alive today, they may have observed what’s happening and wrote a column about how Richt was actually a situational saint, not a man for all seasons. The moral? If you want to sling mud at somebody, the dirt is always there. You just have to want to find it hard enough.
Urban Liar
April 10th, 2012
12:56 pm
He also had his daughter hold a press conference to “sign” to play volleyball at Tech when she did not have an offer. It forced GTAA to offer her a full scholarship or risk a bad publicity fiasco.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
1:00 pm
Richt did not force Benedict out. Benedict had a run-in with Joe T about how the rehab was being done.
He is now at VT trying to win a job and is being called “stiff and unathletic”, “having problems with d-linemen that can move”.
Maybe he should have listened to his coaches and not tried to tell people who have been doing this for a long time how to do their jobs just because his knee wasn’t getting healed quick enough to his liking.
Master of Domain
April 10th, 2012
1:01 pm
This is too funny.
You know Auburn fans really know that the “payoff” actually happened when they use the “proof” card for their argument. One has to really hand it to the Auburn Machine for getting away with paying a preacher, handing out grades to players for not attending classes, allowing known drug pushers to play, allowing 3 time offenders of battery to continue playing until their 4th charge was made. Professors turning in other professors for allowing “independent study” courses to be used like butter on a hot roll. 3 players arrested for robbery, and a former bank executive ( who is still under FDIC investigation, and FBI investigation, and being sued by his former employees) to run the universities athletic department like he was an NFL owner( which was the way it was run). Hiring a head coach who by all accounts is not a very good head coach in his one previous attempt. Now we see that No.1 or No. 2 or No.3 recruiting class( depending on whose service you believe) has now lost almost a third of its players due to transfer, arrest, conviction, academics, and or injury. You can add to that the grades that were changed( and caught by the NCAA clearing house) prior to the latest arrested former Auburn player Nick Fairley, who had to go to JC and return to Auburn. And anyone who thinks Urban Meyer wanted Sir Cameron Newton to leave Florida is mistaken. Sir Cameron was told to leave by the university for theft by conversion, not attending class, cheating and various motor vehicle violations while he had his short stay in Gainesville. Urban wanted that young man but Urban could not get past the student-faculty review board after Sir Cameron’s third hearing. Sir Cameron was a great player at Auburn, he single handily gave Auburn its BCS title. He deserves that statue. We all know that The Chiz will be out the door in a couple of years after his 2nd and 3rd pitiful season in a row…2013- or 2014 the Auburn Fambly will have had enough and let him go, it is inevitable. Auburn is disfunctional and even with a good coach like VG the program still fails due to the fact that student athletes on the football team do not graduate, commit major crimes and the one or two assistant coaches are known NCAA cheaters and their former employers have noted it over a period of time.
Urban is a flawed man who wants to improve his tarnished image. If UF had won last year he would have said he brought all those players in and Muschamp won with his players, but he knew he left a team full of flawed players.. His last season on UF’s campus he had a bunch of true Freshmen bow up on the upper classmen and Urban had to baby them all to keep the team together and they still stunk it up on the field and in the police blotter.
Urban will screw up at OSU and he will blame an assistant or a booster and say he is innocent. That is how he rolls.
aprilglaspie
April 10th, 2012
1:02 pm
For those holier than thou Tech players stay four years commenters, how ’bout them Bobby Cremins rent-a-guards? Cremins virtually invented that nonsense in hoops, where it is rampant and far more crooked than football.
WhoCares?
April 10th, 2012
1:09 pm
Please everyone try to recognize now that these kinds of problems dealing with 18, 19 and 20 year olds is not unique to UGA of FL or anywhere else. It comes with the territory, and if you aren’t reading about it at your favorite school you’re either not reading the right stuff or it’s being covered up. This is what happens in college, whether you’re a player or not. And of course it not everyone; but the ones who toe the line don’t get the headlines. Stop throwing acid on one school or the other — everybody’s dealing with this.
GreenDawg
April 10th, 2012
1:22 pm
Come on Mark Bradley.
Mark Richt had just as many arrests as Urban Meyer.
And Mark Richt plays favorites WORSE than Meyer ever did.
The culture of entitlement at UGA is epic. Who else plays Cox & Murray after they combine for 30 interceptions and never get benched or called out in the press by coaches?
Remember when Murray was caught with alcohol possession in a photo at the FSU game, and Richt didn’t do anything because he was his favorite player?
Remember when Ealey, Mett, Gray, Thomas all transferred because they wern’t getting more playing time, even though they earned it?
Realistic fan
April 10th, 2012
1:24 pm
To GT, GTBob and all you other holier than thou Tech fans, have you looked at the going ons in your own program. Better review it before you throw stones. Like probation TWICE in the last 5 years for Cheating and academic fraud and now lying to the NCAA. A baseball player OD’s on drugs, Like football player selling pot, charged with rape, beating their girl friend, asst Tennis coach rape and cocane problem, then Joe Hamilton, Jarvis Crittenden and on and on. And you want to criticize another program for problems with drinking and driving. You can’t see the forest for the trees
GreenDawg
April 10th, 2012
1:34 pm
Saban went 6-7 his first year at Alabama. Turned out ok. This sportswriter totally missed the bus on this one. OF COURSE Will Muschamp and his staff struggled implementing their systems in the FIRST YEAR. OF COURSE Will Muschamp struggled with the toughest October schedule in the nation. Nick Saban went 6-7 in his first year at Alabama. It’s normal.
GreenDawg
April 10th, 2012
1:36 pm
Mark Richt has NEVER ADDRESSED Aaron Murray’s photo of Aaron Murray in alcohol possession at AGE 20, at the FSU game.
Why? Murray is Richt’s favorite. It happens at all schools.
GreenDawg
April 10th, 2012
1:39 pm
I don’t recall any other program in the SEC where the #1 Spring performer at QB and running back, all transfer, 2 years in a row.
Ealey was top back in 2010, he left. Thomas in 2011, he left.
Mett won Spring in 2010, he left, Gray in 2011, he left.
No one else has that happen.
It’s because Richt has BRED a CULTURE OF ENTITLEMENT LIKE NO OTHER IN THE SEC.
It’s not a MERITOCRACY at UGA, it’s about who Richt likes.
PURE ENTITLEMENT.
WDE
April 10th, 2012
1:41 pm
@GreenDawg would you like some cheese with that whine??? Boo hoo someone said something bad about CUM oh the horror..
Gatorhater
April 10th, 2012
1:42 pm
Urban=Liar, cheat, scumbag, fake.
Even as a hater I truly wish better things for Florida.
What is the over/under for his tenure at OSU? Three years? Four?
OSU fans can plan on another NCAA investigation and then Urban is off to the NFL.
gdawginkalamazoo
April 10th, 2012
1:54 pm
GreenDawg is clueless.
Ealey was in the doghouse and getting in trouble. With Crowell coming in he saw the writing on the wall and decided to take a hike instead of competing.
Thomas was suspended and didn’t want to compete behind Crowell and new #1 recruit this year Keith Marshall. He took a hike.
Mett. Don’t even go there. That kid got caught and pleaded guilty to “lesser” charges. Only a good lawyer kept him out of jail. Anyway the alledged attack on the girl didn’t sit well with Richt who practically watched the kid grow up (Mett’s mom is longtime admin assist. in the athletic dept). I know you didn’t know any of that or you wouldn’t have posted your ridiculous post.
Logan Gray was a damn good dog. Murray came in and won the starting position so Gary who had already graduated and had 1 yr of eligibility left. He decided to transfer to Colorado to play on the same team as his brother and pursue an advanced degree that UGA did not offer.
GTBob
April 10th, 2012
1:55 pm
And you want to criticize another program for problems with drinking and driving. You can’t see the forest for the trees
I was just talking about the players on the football team. If you wan’t to start including coaches, and players on other teams and players who have been out of school for a while then go ahead. It is only going to make UGA look worse. It isn’t really relative to the low class football culture created by the SEC and UGA though.
Columbus
April 10th, 2012
1:57 pm
Meyer high-tailed it out of Gainsville for one reason and one reason only: HE was about to lose. His offense worked for a couple of years in the SEC but the other teams had figured it out BUT there was Tebow to overcome that. He was amazing in college. tebow graduated and it was time for meyer to prove he could still do it without Tebow and the writing was on the wall. He knew what most astute fans and defensive coaches in the SEC knew, game over. So he used his health as a way to save face for leaving. He made it even feel better for Florida by suddenly retiring but THEN coming back and they were so happy and loved him so much for the love he had for them! Then he realized for sure that the days of his offense were over in the SEC and promptly retired again. Then he sits around and waits for the PERFECT oppurtunity. A team that is loaded with talent, can recruit well, has a huge fan base and LOTS of money and in a conference that will be dazzled by his offense and defensive coaches that will need 5 years to catch up to it. I agree that Meyer is ALL about Meyer unless you are a Tebow. I thought Tebow had rubbed off on him and i am sure he did but there is so much more rubbing that is needed before Meyer is a good man. He will do very well at OSU but may the SEC remember how to beat his offense every year he makes it to the NC and that will likely be more than once in the next 5 years. I personally hope Michigan takes care of him and they just might…..
GTBob
April 10th, 2012
1:58 pm
It comes with the territory, and if you aren’t reading about it at your favorite school you’re either not reading the right stuff or it’s being covered up.
So every college student is a pot smoking drunk driving criminal and UGA and Florida are the only schools in the nation that don’t cover it up. That sounds logical.
bucket
April 10th, 2012
2:10 pm
@ GreenDawg – how many times was Ealey suspended? How many times was Carlton Thomas suspended? Why did “Mett” transfer? Good Lord dude! You can’t find better examples to prove your point?
Hide Your Eyes
April 10th, 2012
2:20 pm
The article just confirms what most of us (Dawg and Gator fans included) already knew. Meyer is sleazy. The author doesn’t even mention the most brazen incidents, like Meyer suspending a member of his “Circle of Trust” for only half a game after he was caught trying to eye gouge a Georgia player. As proof that the players were actually running the program, Spikes overruled Meyer and, to quiet things down, suspended himself for a full game.
Look In The Mirror
April 10th, 2012
2:26 pm
Arrest, Drug Usage, Inconsistent Play in Big Games. A coach who is not a disciplinarian…
Sounds like UGA and Mark Richt to me..
Tim
April 10th, 2012
2:42 pm
Mark… I would not pay too much attention to anything Matt Hayes writes. He’s the same writer who called Mark Richt one of college football’s “greatest play-callers” a few seasons ago. While I’m a UGA fan, Richt is anything but a great play-caller. Hayes really does not know his butt from a hole in the ground. I well recall your column a few years ago, too, saying Richt needed to relinquish the play-calling. Meyer is still a Gator to me, but I doubt he’s as bad as Hayes is trying to portray him to be.
DawgST
April 10th, 2012
2:52 pm
With muschamp and a bad roster, fla will be down for years! Mark this down–Ga will win the SEC east again with ease and beat alabama for the title!!! The Dawgs—own the SEC east!
W.W.
April 10th, 2012
2:57 pm
Wait! Are you telling me that organized collegiate football,a sport that not only glamorizes but richly rewards awful,criminal behavior is the culprit of ……COVERUP??
This is hypocrisy at its most glaring form-UGA is sleaze central.
lied and hid behind his kids
April 10th, 2012
2:58 pm
Anyone who was paying attention knew this guy was a total fraud. He kept throwing it out there that he had health concerns but would never explain and hid behind his children citing them as the reason why he didn’t want to explain further. Then he goes and gets a job at ESPN soon after and gets back into coaching within a year. He’s a liar and a coward.
SSI Dawg
April 10th, 2012
3:03 pm
@ DawgST – Muschamp’s first year didn’t mean anything. He’s recruiting well down there, and now he’s the guy in charge after a transition season. If his record doesn’t improve significantly in the next 2 years, he’ll be gone and they’ll go throw a bunch of money at a proven coach. I’m sorry, but I just don’t see the 1970’s coming back anytime soon.
DawginLex
April 10th, 2012
3:12 pm
greendawg
you are a disgrace to your blog handle
you are no DAWG
You are an idiot
Defending Ealey?
Defending Mett?
Mett transferred? Not quite Einstein.
I hope you don’t ever sit near me during a game
Talk about being shot by his own troops……………….
Galen Pell
April 10th, 2012
3:22 pm
Florida, like Tennessee, is returning to the station God intended … consistently decent, but nothing special.
meyer--lied
April 10th, 2012
3:40 pm
meyer lied about his health problems when he knew his roster was going to have big problems–then he took the osu job and made up some phony excuse about his family, etc. He’s corrupt.
Ray Goof
April 10th, 2012
3:45 pm
Let’s see: Flagship university in the state with the best high school talent with the third largest athletic budget in the country. Yep. I’ll bet that UF is just going to drop off the college football map, never to be heard from again.
Wet Willie...keep on smiling
April 10th, 2012
4:00 pm
@green doggie…Bama as 7-6 in 2007. UGA beat a pretty good Bama team in OT as you recall. Due to bookgate Bama lost our only RB and center for about 4 games (back for AU) and that hurt the team but at the time UGA beat them Bama was pretty good so give some credit to UGA for that OT win.
Things are about to get interesting at AU since the trial of the receiver Godwin is about to begin and his defense team has requested drug testing info from AU and Dyer is set to take the stand as will Cheeze and Trooper Taylor. Start the popcorn for ole Karma is coming in the backdoor at the Corrupt School of Banking and Tree Cutting!
http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2012/04/gene_chizik_trooper_taylor_amo/3510/comments.html
pj
April 10th, 2012
4:14 pm
Wow what a read. Eye opening. Thanks Bradley. While our guys have the same bad decision making habits other schools do – at least our program holds players accountable. You don’t hear former players bashing Richt – EVER.
GlenU
April 10th, 2012
4:29 pm
When is a Facts not a fact-
dan
April 10th, 2012
4:55 pm
Florida’s gain, THE Ohio State University’s loss!
pfitz2
April 10th, 2012
5:02 pm
“And Urban Meyer will win and win big at OSU because he will be the only coach in the Big 10 (ther are actually 12 teams in the Big 10?) who will openly, even proudly, not honor the so-called ‘gentleman’s agreement” the other coaches are honoring”
There has never been a gentleman’s agreement in the Big Ten. One whiny coach complained that UM “stole” a recruit. That coach’s AD came out and said there is no such agreement and the Big Ten commish said UM had not violated any NCAA rules. And BTW, there are 10 teams in the Big 12. Like it matters anyway
GreenDawg
April 10th, 2012
5:02 pm
Some of you boys need to wise up. When that trains comin down the line, and you sittin on the track, you want people to yell, and warn you, so you have time to correct the situation. What good would it be to tell me how pretty my car was, if I was sittin on the track, and a train was coming?
Some of you boys are just like that person who says a bunch of sweet nuttins that don’t do nobody no good.
pfitz2
April 10th, 2012
5:10 pm
Mark,
Billy Gonzales has come out and said that the Harvin incident “never happened”
VolsRule
April 10th, 2012
5:10 pm
@ Galen Pell 3:22 pm post
“Florida, like Tennessee, is returning to the station God intended … consistently decent, but nothing special.”
Assuming you are a GEORGIA fan – better understand college football history before you make those type of comments. Most GEORGIA fans have a better respect for the history of the conference. Let me help you out my friend:
ALL TIME WINNING %
Alabama – 7th nationally – .710
Tennessee – 11th nationally – .687
LSU – 13th nationally – .647
Georgia – 14th nationally – .645
Auburn – 15th nationally – .634
Florida – 17th nationally – .630
Arkansas – 29th nationally – .595
SEC TITLES
Alabama – 22 (7-West)
Tennessee – 13 (5-East)
Georgia – 12 (4 – East)
LSU – 11 (5 West)
Florida – 8 (10 East)
Auburn – 7 (4 West)
Comments:
Florida vs Georgia
Overall – a pretty tight series but “streaky”.
Dooley era saw Georgia win it’s share.
However, consider this:
– since 1950 – Florida has a 35-26-1 record vs. Georgia.
Tennessee vs Georgia
Overall – a tight series – like Florida series – teams going on streaks against each other.
Teams played seldom until conference split in 1991
Overall – Tennessee is 21-18-2
since 1980 Tennessee is 13-12 against Georgia
Pretty good developing series I would say – however, we are down right now and I am thinking Georgia will have it’s way with us for the next few seasons.
HEAD TO HEAD
Georgia has a losing record against 4 SEC teams.
However – Georgia is third in all time conference winning % – but remember, the teams do not play against each other an equal number of times – meaning that the winning % would have be more relevant if the SEC played round robin over the years. But, for what it’s worth:
All Time Conference Winning %
Alabama – .678
Tennessee – .622
Georgia – .601
LSU – .576
Florida – .572
Auburn – .570
So you can see – making comments that Tennessee and Florida consistently descent shows your ignorance. Tennessee has the advantage over Georgia in overall conference wins, SEC East Titles, SEC Titles, and NATIONAL Titles. And we are beating UGA in head to head (at least for the next few years).
As for Florida – again my friend – out of 62 games played since 1950 – Georgia has won only 26 of them. Thank God for the Dooley era! Goff, Donnan and Richt have had a hard time of it against the Gators!
Georgia, like ALABAMA, FLORIDA, AUBURN, LSU and TENNESSEE have great football traditions.
I mention these schools because the represent the overal top half of the SEC. No need in bashing.
You can draw your own conclusions with the FACTS regarding Georgia against Florida and Tennessee.
Bob
April 10th, 2012
5:22 pm
This was during McGarity’s watch…what does that say about his character?
CaliDawg
April 10th, 2012
5:29 pm
All you Richt haters…wake up!!! We have a gem and we’re damn lucky to have a coach with such great character for our STUDENT-athletes…and it’s for the duration of their lives, not their eligibility!
Bob
April 10th, 2012
5:38 pm
@CaliDawg…I disagree. We are poor judges of character, and Richt does less with more talent than any coach in the USA.
Wet Willie...keep on smiling
April 10th, 2012
5:40 pm
Calidawg…as John McEnroe says”’You can’t be serious”
shankit
April 10th, 2012
6:02 pm
Bill: AJC did not trash Florida. They only revealed what was
written by The Sporting News, article of which was written by
a former Gater player.
Pitbull
April 10th, 2012
6:03 pm
Tech folks hate Mark Richt for the simple fact that he is 11-1 against Tech.
If he was 1-11 then Tech folks would love him and never want him to leave UGA.
shankit
April 10th, 2012
6:06 pm
Bob: This was not during McGarrity’s watch.
This was during the his boss’ watch, Florida AD, Jeremy Foley,
who hired Urban and McGarrity.
Probably the reason McGarrity left Florida to
get back to Georgia. Tired of the corruptness within the Florida program.
LakeDawg
April 10th, 2012
6:07 pm
Unfortunately, college football is at an all time low and the SEC is leading the way. When Spurrior looks like a decent guy next to the other coaches in the conference, something is rotten.
LakeDawg
April 10th, 2012
6:11 pm
I like CMR. He sure looks good next to Saban, Meyer, Petrino, etc. I just wish he could coach.
SSI Dawg
April 10th, 2012
6:11 pm
@ LakeDawg – I understand not liking Spurrier, but he’s completely different than people like Meyer and Petrino. At least he is a straight shooter. You may not like what he has to say, but he says what he means. Meyer and Petrino are weasels. They’ll say or do anything to win.
Alachua Taxidermery Service
April 10th, 2012
6:15 pm
Ya’ll quit gittin on my Gaters. Heck, you should
see the stock of Gaters settin’ in my shop, waitin’
to be mounted so their fans can hav’ one on thar
office floor. No other skool can claim they kill
their mascots just so we can mount them to set
in thar offices.
Rest in peace, UGA,
LakeDawg
April 10th, 2012
6:16 pm
SSI Dawg
April 10th, 2012
6:11 pm
@ LakeDawg – I understand not liking Spurrier, but he’s completely different than people like Meyer and Petrino.At least he is a straight shooter. You may not like what he has to say, but he says what he means. Meyer and Petrino are weasels. They’ll say or do anything to win.
————————————————————————————————————————————–
I can never spell Spurrier’s name correctly. LOL. I agree with your statement. Though I’ve seen some slippage in the past couple of years from Spurrier. It’s the pressure of trying to keep up with the Sabans of the world.
shankit
April 10th, 2012
6:17 pm
Spurrier is a good guy?
Petrino has more character.
My two buddies are still waiting in the locker room
at the VCC for Spurrier to get back from his car
to get the cash to pay off his golf losses. He hauled
arse without paying a golf bet. Lowest of the low.
LakeDawg
April 10th, 2012
6:23 pm
Any golfing bet debts that I have, I pay back with a nine iron upside the head.
shankit
April 10th, 2012
6:27 pm
LakeDawg – My two buddies are waiting in the locker room with their nine irons,
doubt they will ever have an opportunity to pay back, though. That weasel has
a bad reputation at the VCC and probably will never get a game in out little ol’ town.
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Beast from the East
April 10th, 2012
6:32 pm
I don’t know how much of that article to believe. “Sources” that aren’t identified aren’t much more credible than pure speculation. That said, it has been common knowledge amongst the Gator faithful that we had some serious entitlement issues amongst the incoming freshmen class in 2010.
I think most of us Gators are thankful for the 2 NC’s that Urban brought to Gainesville, but we’re also thakful that his era is over. The man was not much of a disciplinarian and his last couple of years were almost painful to watch…at times.
Muschamp appears to have inherited a bigger challenge than first thought. I think he’s doing things the right way and will have us competing for the SEC in 2013.
Go Gators!
Look In The Mirror
April 10th, 2012
6:42 pm
As long as UGA keeps hiring the “good christian men” as HC, and as long as Arkansas keeps a cheating, disrespectful, crooked coach, and as long as Auburn hires a coach who goes along with what the “money people” tell him what to do, and as long as Les Miles keeps game planning like he does in big games…..life will a great deal easier for others to keep winning those big games…..
Rep. Corrine Brown (D-FL)
April 10th, 2012
7:07 pm
Ya’ll quit hatin’ on ma Gatas. Corch Muschamp will have dem Gatas back in the B-C-S Champinship in no time. Go Gata!
Corrine Brown, University of Florida, M.A. 1971, Ed.S. 1974 (no joking)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgbBP9Em00A
Ed
April 10th, 2012
7:16 pm
“Let’s see: Flagship university in the state with the best high school talent with the third largest athletic budget in the country. Yep. I’ll bet that UF is just going to drop off the college football map, never to be heard from again.”
Ray, were they the flagship university from 1932-1990? Because that’s the period Florida laid a big goose egg, championship wise. Almost 60 years, although the did have one conference title stripped for cheating and a few other good years they weren’t eligible for the title. If any school with so much going for it could fall off the football map, it’s UF.
charles s.
April 10th, 2012
7:28 pm
Bama’s got a slimeball head coach also.
Kramer
April 10th, 2012
7:45 pm
Rep. Corrine Brown (D-FL)
April 10th, 2012
7:07 pm
Ya’ll quit hatin’ on ma Gatas. Corch Muschamp will have dem Gatas back in the B-C-S Champinship in no time. Go Gata!
Corrine Brown, University of Florida, M.A. 1971, Ed.S. 1974 (no joking
Rep. Brown, you are a credit to democrats and gator fans everywhere. keep up the good work.
Look In The Mirror
April 10th, 2012
8:52 pm
When you said democrat almost EVERYONE tuned you out!
TampaGator
April 10th, 2012
8:55 pm
This is a fact….and I am not sure how factual a lot of this is…..I am very disappointed in one….Urban Meyer. He talked about how much he loved Florida and GatorNation….and then he goes and trashes the school “he loves” to a recruit he is going head to head with Florida to get….Wow!!! At least one good thing came out of that…..Diggs signed with Maryland, not OSU. At least he could see how two faced Meyer is. Good for him. The second good thing is…..Ahamd Fullwood, who is much better than Diggs in a pro style offense…..is coming to Gainesville now. Even better.
P.S……now you all know why so many players “left” the Florida program after Muschamp arrived. They did not fit the NEW and IMPROVED culture Muschamp has already brought to Florida…..if you don’t believe me……read the story tonight about the new culture at Florida and the new Florida Gators on:
http://www.gatorsports.com
TampaGator
April 10th, 2012
9:02 pm
@everyone in Dawg land
visit http://www.gatorsports.com and read for yourself the NEW CULTURE already existing in Gainesville…thanks to Muschamp and company. Florida has benefited from Meyer’s departure. And they have also apparently benefited from the departure of one, Charlie Weiss, and the arrival of Mr. Pease to replace him as OC. And you now know why so many players “left” the program initally. Muschamp cleaned house of most of the poison…and got buy in from those who stayed. Go Gators.
@Look in the Mirror…..
Not everyone that reads the AJC lives in Georgia and votes for Newt!!! We in Florida already know very well…….what the TEA PARTY brings to the table….and it not good for anyone making less than a mil per year, teaches our children, protects our streets from criminals, puts out fires in neighborhoods…..or just cares about the middle class.
TampaGator
April 10th, 2012
9:03 pm
Beast…..
I think Florida will be right there this year in the East…..and will compete for the SEC title in 2013. Muschamp is getting his players….and he is doing things the right way. Go Gators.
TampaGator
April 10th, 2012
9:08 pm
Ed….
You have obviously never visited the U of F campus in Gainesville……looked at the school’s academics…..have any idea who the President of the school is……know anything about the AD…a Mr. Foley……or has a clue what the current head football coach is doing. Florida is a big star on that map….and will remain one for a long, long time…..as long as there is college football, college basketball, college baseball, college swimming, college golf, college track….or whatever. Don’t be so stupid. Spurrier and Foley put Florida on that map in the 90’s….and the star is permanent.
LakeDawg
April 10th, 2012
9:09 pm
Not everyone that reads the AJC lives in Georgia and votes for Newt!!! We in Florida already know very well…….what the TEA PARTY brings to the table….and it not good for anyone making less than a mil per year, teaches our children, protects our streets from criminals, puts out fires in neighborhoods…..or just cares about the middle class.
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Amen, brother.
Ckgator
April 10th, 2012
9:09 pm
Mark you have the maturiity of a 7th grader at times.
The man had 3 consecutive 13-1 seasons and 2 national titles in 6 years, Keep pumping those pre-season UGA national titles Marky boy. Very weak if you think any one from Florida cares…
TampaGator
April 10th, 2012
9:11 pm
Well…..final thought……I guess the responses to this story eliminates….forever…..those who post on “GEORIGA BLOGS” than no one gives a damn about the FLORIDA GATORS. YES YOU DO….and you should. Good night.
P.S. After reading this and hearing a lot more about Meyer……I am truly glad he is the head coach at Ohio State. They deserve each other.
kingdaddy
April 10th, 2012
9:21 pm
Glad I’m not in Arkantucky
GT is a 4th rate High School Team
April 10th, 2012
9:23 pm
Why should one care about how other schools run their programs? Fans/alums should just concern of their teams performance and demand quality play from their coaches, except if the negative story is about the North Avenue High School.
kingdaddy
April 10th, 2012
9:24 pm
I could have gone all night without hearing the old ball coaches name…
kingdaddy
April 10th, 2012
9:29 pm
Blog po-po’s have kicked 2 post out. Didn’t say anything bad about spurrior, just could have gone without hearing his name…
kingdaddy
April 10th, 2012
9:35 pm
Twilight Zone, who’s in chsrge of policing the blog tonight, you got your panties in a bunch?
ga gator
April 10th, 2012
9:35 pm
Can’t wait Mark when the NCAA Hammer comes down on your precious “Big Blue” and Calipari and your Cats have to give back the Basketball crown. What do you do to report, scour other websites? You are a waste for a journalist.
ga gator
April 10th, 2012
9:37 pm
Ed, lets see where was the Flagship of Georgia before and after Hershel? By the way I would not cast stones as I seem to remember a Ms. Jan Kemp at UGA.
kingdaddy
April 10th, 2012
9:40 pm
Your blog is way below average tonight. Censors have lost objectivity…
hahaha
April 10th, 2012
9:40 pm
Meyer, Petrino, Nutt, Kiffin. Previous SEC used car salesman coaches!
kingdaddy
April 10th, 2012
9:42 pm
???????????
kingdaddy
April 10th, 2012
9:47 pm
Whats the deal M. B.
All these negative blogs on here and you kick me? No cursing in any of the 4 or 5 you left out, yet you keep posting other negative comments???
kingdaddy
April 10th, 2012
9:53 pm
There must be a hole in the ozone layer tonight eating my post…
bitter coach Grantham
April 10th, 2012
10:24 pm
kingkiddy—————–rock-em sock-em bamma nation killer
————————what happened to yo girl—a person so dumb—————hahahahah
bitter coach Grantham
April 10th, 2012
10:25 pm
ohio st is in a world of trouble with cryer in charge——————–dawgs rule the SEC
King Gator
April 10th, 2012
10:34 pm
Say what you will about Meyer, but he delivered the BCS &SEC titles. UGA fans stop on by next time you’re in town and see what a full trophy case looks like. Go Gators!
Ckgator
April 10th, 2012
10:42 pm
Pure silliness. Must be “Crappy Journalism” week.
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gladum3
April 10th, 2012
10:46 pm
is gone! Never,Never liked the guy & I’m a Gator. Yep, 2MNC’s were nice but I did not like the HC.Guy was a pos as a person,no doubt. It may take Champ a little time doing it the clean/hard way, But he will get the Gators back!
Chuck UGA
April 10th, 2012
11:29 pm
Meyer will not get Ohio State a legitimate win versus an SEC program while he is there. They are still winless all-time versus the SEC in the post-season (either 0-13 or 0-14) when you factor the forfeiture of their upset of the better Arkansas team two seasons ago in the Sugar Bowl. Meyer will NEVER beat another SEC team unless they schedule Kentucky or Vandy in a home & home which is unlikely.
Chuck UGA
April 10th, 2012
11:33 pm
LakeDawg, you are one big moron. Ever heard of a guy named Marco Rubio? Probably going to be the first Hispanic President of the United States within the next 12 years. You know, the Tea Party guy from FLORIDA!
Chuck UGA
April 10th, 2012
11:36 pm
Excuse me, that response was meant more for Tampa Gator. Figures he would be an Obama supporter.
Notso Fast
April 11th, 2012
5:17 am
Blast away and have fun. Then take a close look at what has happened in Athens over the last several years. Ain’t football fun? None of the teams are clean…no not one.
Weather Channel Expert
April 11th, 2012
7:21 am
1 two three and five – that gater Irvin Meyers be takin no JIVE
Sloan
April 11th, 2012
7:52 am
It floors me how so many of you UGA haters can write that Mark Richt is morally bankrupt, sleazy or a scumbag. He is none of those things and has proven that he is, if nothing else, a man of integrity and strong Christian values.
I will not argue with you that his personal character is not reflected in many of the young men that he has recruited to play football for him at UGA. And while I could rationalize that paradox by stating that he is under the same pressure to win as any other SEC football coach, I won’t get into that here. But to continue to paint Coach Richt with the same adjectives reserved for coaches like Petrino, Tressel, etc. is ridiculous.
gladum3
April 11th, 2012
8:19 am
Hate to say it, But most of this stuff is true about UM3! Percy also just flat cold-cocked a guy inside a strip mall in Gainesville once too, Just for the heck of it. Spikes did a few things not listed, it was bad, really bad. Good one Weather Channel Expert!!!! Needed that
We Gators will be fine, it will just take a little time. For now, looks like Bama,LSU, and UGA will be the Top teams to beat for a few years.
ADMan
April 11th, 2012
8:44 am
Big Crimson 75…what a pompous ass you are. I’ll bet you really live up to your name too…let’s see 315 pounds of over weght lard sitting by your trailer every day eating fried chicken and kissing your photo of Saban every three to four hours and telling everyone you see that e new sheriff is in town…LOLLOLLOL….your too funny…a real cartoon figure!LOLLOLLOL
Columbus Dawg
April 11th, 2012
9:05 am
Who is this Bama booster “influencing” Atlanta are players to sign with Bama? Harvey?
Ray Goof
April 11th, 2012
9:06 am
“Ray, were they the flagship university from 1932-1990? Because that’s the period Florida laid a big goose egg, championship wise. Almost 60 years, although the did have one conference title stripped for cheating and a few other good years they weren’t eligible for the title. If any school with so much going for it could fall off the football map, it’s UF.”
Ed – do you think that Fla produced the level of high school football talent in the 30’s – 70’s that it does today? Do you think that UF had the athletic budget or the facilities that it has now during the 30’s – 70’s? Do you think a head coach would’ve taken the UF job over the Notre Dame job during those years? Of course not. So your reference to those years is not very relevant to today or the future, is it? Let me put it this way – if I’d told you during Herschel’s time in Athens that UF, FSU and Miami would combine to win 10 national championships in the following 30 years, you would’ve laughed out loud. But it happened – because demographics were shifting in Fla’s favor. Sorry to break the news to you, but the factors that lead to UF’s rise aren’t going to change.
kingdaddy
April 11th, 2012
9:27 am
I put absolutly 0 that zero credibility in anything U. Crier has to say. The University of Flordia is light-years ahead of Ohio State. Let me put it in perspective, you see what just happened to Arkantucky with the low-life they knew was scum, but still hired? Well, that is excatly what will happen at Ohio St. eventually. He’s a real good football coach, but a reprehensible, slime-ball with only bad character. CWM will only get better and has better character. ” What doesn’t kill ya, makes you stronger.”…
Columbus Dawg
April 11th, 2012
9:28 am
It may be fashionable for rivals of Georgia who have won a mnc to make fun of Richt’s coaching, but to say he is a sleaze simply shows the stupidity of the blogger stating this. Mark Richt has had to deal with his share of problem children in his time at UGA, but he has handled most situations correctly. Richt has had many arrests for marijuana and alcohol abuses, and some battery offenses, dismissed one player for it, and if Ogletree is not careful going forward, he will be also. Meyer has had felony arrests that were not dealt with, Rainey being one that got off very lightly for his offense. No comparison.
kingdaddy
April 11th, 2012
9:38 am
AD Man
I know I won’t change you’re mind about BC75, but he’s not a bad guy or troll. Yes he is an Alabama fan, but he almost always makes a valid point. It may not make me happy and I may not agree, but through the long running battles I have had with Trolls on the blog, he has become an important point-counter-point on this blog. If we all thought alike, there would be no reason to blog. There are trolls on here that I wish you would attack though…
StingerSplash
April 11th, 2012
9:47 am
Didn’t Matt Hayes cover the Gators or college football for one of the Florida papers, either Orlando or Jacksonville, at one point? I could be mistaken, but I don’t think so.
kingdaddy
April 11th, 2012
9:47 am
M.B.
I had several mild post not last night but when I double checked this morning they were there. I just had another mild post not show up and wonder if its my side or your side. Can you help splain it to me. Trying not to offend…
kingdaddy
April 11th, 2012
9:50 am
Dissappearing post not happening on any other sites, just your Mark…
PD
April 11th, 2012
9:58 am
What actual facts are in the story are only 50% true, and the only negative accusations are either meaningless “un-named sources” which these days are usually the writer’s imagination, and of course one former player who admittedly holds an angry grudge against the man. With all the wild accusations and character assassinations out on Urban Meyer, please wake me when there is a single one that has a shred of proof or logic/reason to lend some credibility. Programs that are completely corroded like the article states, do not dominate the nation for 4 years and win 2 national titles in 3 seasons.
Buckeye
April 11th, 2012
10:01 am
Six words for dogs:
TIME OUT!
TIME OUT!
TIME OUT!
Buckeye
April 11th, 2012
10:03 am
You dogs are just like Obama. You cannot run on your record so you resort to smearing the evil competition. Pathetic.
Buckeye
April 11th, 2012
10:03 am
Bobby Petrino:
SEC! SEC! SEC!
BG
April 11th, 2012
10:14 am
Urban Meyer is a cheater!!!
Gator Fan
April 11th, 2012
10:24 am
Buckeye – Urban Meyer is the Jon Gruden of college football. He can jump start a program, but he can’t sustain success over a period of time. Yes, Will Muschamp has a rebuilding job to do, but Meyer did leave two national championship trophies in Gainesville. If Meyer doesn’t win it all in Columbus, then all you’ll be left with is the mess of cleaning up after he decides to quit again (and he will, once the going gets tough at OSU). A major rebuild without the championships would not be a good trade off.
Buckeye
April 11th, 2012
10:56 am
Gator Fan,
Actually, I predicted Ohio State woul not offer Urban and a job and even if offered, Urban would not accept. Personally I am not sold on Urban but he has generated a buzz and new-found optimism after our dismal 2011 season. Time will tell. I’d love to see an OSU/UF matchup at some point with Urban on the sidelines.
The good news – I guess – is he has two full seasons install his system and a starting sophmore QB before we’d see the SEC (perhaps) in a Bowl Game. All Urban can do year one is beat Michigan.
Buckeye
April 11th, 2012
10:57 am
Poll question:
The bigger scumbag?
Jim Tressel
Bobby Petrino
Atlanta Gator
April 11th, 2012
11:12 am
“Even the guy who came in and changed the losing and cheating culture – Spurrier – is not himself a classy person, but a whining crybaby who gloats when he wins and makes excuses when he loses.”
Spurrier may rub salt in the wounds of certain rivals, but I have never heard him make an “excuse” for one of his team’s losses. Almost always, Spurrier will suggest that every loss was primarily a coaching failure. If that’s making excuses, it’s an odd sort of excuse, don’t you think?
Gator Fan
April 11th, 2012
11:20 am
Buckeye – given the historical stability that OSU has had at head coach, I was surprised that they went with Urban. But I suppose that it really was just the result of a series of odd events that made it all happen. I’d love to see UF play an Urban-coached OSU team, although nothing seems strange to me after all these years of Spurrier coaching against his alma mater.
Atlanta Gator
April 11th, 2012
11:26 am
Several people have questioned Matt Hayes’ professional background and work history. Hayes wrote for The Florida Times-Union during the 1990s, and has been a sports writer for The Sporting News since at least 2002.
Atlanta Gator
April 11th, 2012
11:37 am
“[N]othing seems strange to me after all these years of Spurrier coaching against his alma mater.”
Still seems strange to me. Notwithstanding that Spurrier is an unequaled competitor, and has done a damn good job with the talent he has had at South Carolina, the Evil Genius’ continuing loyalty to his alma mater is unquestioned. Of course, he would never tank a game, and the Gators and Gamecocks are “rivals” of a sort, but SOS still takes a great deal of pleasure in seeing the Gators do well—-at least when they’re not playing his current team.
Spurrier is, was, and always will be the No. 1 Gator, and we older Gators fans would like him returned to us in good condition when he’s done coaching in Columbia. I doubt he will ever again coach anywhere other than South Carolina, but he will always be a Gator, for better or worse. During his time as a Florida undergraduate, he and Ray Graves gave the Gators football program its first real taste of national prominence since 1928. Any Gator alumnus who ever forgets that needs to be gently reminded.
pfitz2
April 11th, 2012
11:39 am
@Gator Fan
Meyer was assistant under Coach Earle Bruce who he calls one of his mentors. Bruce gave the eulogy at Meyer’s fathers funeral a few months ago. He has always had a picture of Woody Hayes in this offices. He was born and raised in Ohio and has said that the HC of tOSU was the one job that Shelly Meyer had not veto power over and the only job that he would have come out of retirement for.He was an absolute no-brainer to succeed Tressel. As for coaching stability, JT was the coach for 10 years, Cooper for 12, Bruce 9 and Woody for 27.
Atlanta Gator
April 11th, 2012
11:47 am
“Not everyone that reads the AJC lives in Georgia and votes for Newt!!! We in Florida already know very well…….what the TEA PARTY brings to the table….and it not good for anyone making less than a mil per year, teaches our children, protects our streets from criminals, puts out fires in neighborhoods…..or just cares about the middle class.”
TampaGator, you would do well not to inject partisan politics into a sports blog. You may be embarrassed to discover that a strong majority of your fellow University of Florida alumni do not share your political views. Better to keep your political views to yourself, and focus on college football, the actual subject at hand.
maharajiean shorts
April 11th, 2012
11:48 am
@ Buckeye: Hey we can do that too?
Sandusky!! Sandusky!! Saundusky!!
Yeah, I’ll take our pot smokers over your pedophiles any day cuz….and our record against you too. Go back to Ohio with your ugly women, Yankee.
KingGator
April 11th, 2012
11:49 am
Two National Championships under his watch, but yes, glad he’s gone!!
jj
April 11th, 2012
11:50 am
And Muschump will be the sacrificial lamb. Too bad he’s a lifelong Gator fan, cause this is gonna hurt.
pfitz2
April 11th, 2012
11:58 am
@maharajiean shorts
Sandusky is Penn State, not Ohio State.
Gator Fan
April 11th, 2012
12:00 pm
@ pfitz2 – I’m very familiar with Urban’s history and his connections to OSU. I understand why he wanted the job; I’m not so sure he was (or should have been) a no-brainer from the university’s perspective. You pointed out the tenure of the past 4 OSU head coaches. Urban has been a college head coach for 10 years and he’s on his fourth head coaching job. When doing a word association, stability does not go with Urban. One other note, don’t put too much stock in things that Urban says. He changes his mind faster than a teenage girl. He’s said many times that Notre Dame is his dream job. You can’t believe most of what he says. Not knocking the guy – that’s just reality. He doesn’t think before he speaks.
Gator Fan
April 11th, 2012
12:05 pm
@ JJ – how is Muschamp a sacrificial lamb? This isn’t a Zook situation. Foley wanted Muschamp as head coach and he’s staked a chunk of his reputation on Muschamp succeeding. Like any coach, he may not get it done. But Muschamp certainly is going to get a chance to prove himself either way.
Atlanta Gator
April 11th, 2012
12:13 pm
“Let’s see: Flagship university in the state with the best high school talent with the third largest athletic budget in the country. Yep. I’ll bet that UF is just going to drop off the college football map, never to be heard from again.”
Even with last year’s 7-5 football season, the Gators are the winningest college football program in the country since 1990. That speaks volumes. During that same time period, no other college football team has won more national championships (3), either. Only Alabama and Nebraska have equaled the number of national championships over the same time period. That’s pretty darn impressive.
Just up the Street
April 11th, 2012
12:36 pm
Urban is a piece of fecal matter that should be flushed down the toilet.
Sporting News on Herban Meyer « Loser with Socks
April 11th, 2012
12:51 pm
[...] Urban decay? The Sporting News examines a ‘broken’ Florida | Mark Bradley [...]
Oskar Meyer Whiners
April 11th, 2012
12:54 pm
Meyer is a snake….just like Petrino and Saban!
DawgByte
April 11th, 2012
1:05 pm
All this does is put things into perspective. Things in Athens are never as bad as they appear when compared to other programs. The second thing this story does is reinforce how much Florida sucks!
Just up the Street
April 11th, 2012
2:21 pm
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ckgator
April 11th, 2012
2:39 pm
If by “its a dandy” you mean “written by a guy (Hayes) who ctiticized Meyer even he was winning National Champoinships,” then you are right – its a dandy.
The biggest non-issue / non-story in years.
Reality gator
April 11th, 2012
3:58 pm
While you puppies gloat, go to Gainesville and look at the trophy case, 3 titles in 15 years and dont forget back to back BB championship in 10 years.
Now when was the last time UGA won a title, I dont believe cell phones were invented and cable tv was brand new, ”””””’
Snoop Dawg
April 11th, 2012
4:03 pm
If the Gators were so rotten, then what does that say about the Dawgs? The Gators cleaned their clocks every year and whipped up on them like they were little brothers.
It’s no secret in the coaching ranks that the UGA program is a joke. How many of UGA’s assistant coaches have been hired away for promotions during Richt’s tenure that Richt actually hired? Er uh, that would be ZERO. In eleven years. The DEAN of SEC coaches? What a joke.
TampaGator
April 11th, 2012
5:45 pm
@Atlanta Gator…..
First, I posted in response to someone.
Second, I am certainly not embarrassed by what I posted. Far from it. I guess if I don’t have the same view as you, then I should be embarrassed? Now, that is arrogance, isn’t it? Fortunately, my four years as an undergraduate student at the University of Florida taught me how to think for myself. I am proud of that. Very proud. If you like Gov. Scott and his brand of corrupt politics….I can truly say you are in a minority now in the state of Florida. And I think Rubio’s tenure in D.C. will be short lived as well….at least that is my hope for the state of Florida and people I listed in my previous post.
TampaGator
April 11th, 2012
5:56 pm
Did anyone notice that both Meyer and Gonzalez (the coach Harvin supposedly got in a tustle with)….both denied the claims of this story on ESPN.com today. Meyer explained what preferential treatment was during his tenure at Florida…..favoring players who did the right things (which Harvin, Tebow, the Pounceys and others did)….too bad, he had too many other players that he recruited that didn’t do the right things during his tenure. He still has not explained fully why he left Florida in such bad shape and then jumped back on another program that is in bad shape itself. Meyer’s behavior is hard to understand. But he is a great football coach. His coaching record and accomplishments/championships verify that. But I hope Florida gets to play Ohio State in a BCS game….real soon.
Chuck Clausen
April 12th, 2012
7:54 am
I coached football at Ohio State (1971-1975) – our former players loved Woody in spite of the fact he was tough and demanding both on and off the field – I remember having a player who we heard was missing his 8 O’Clock class – Woody had me go get him out of bed and see he didn’t miss his 8 O’Clock – we had a pretty high graduation rate – players who had finished their elgibility, but didn’t have degrees were bugged by Woody – a degree from a great Univerity was their reward for playing in one of the most demanding coaches in college football.
mehta
April 12th, 2012
8:02 am
meyer–left the uf roster in shambles, with a bunch of attitude cases and locker room cancers. GA can dominate the division now that florida is way down!!!
DawgVille
April 12th, 2012
8:03 am
muschamp may get 1 more year, but he’ll be fired after a couple of more 5-6 loss seasons. He can’t coach at this level. Maybe richt can hire him as an assistant.
Dawg Doo
April 12th, 2012
10:16 am
Biggest winner in all of this is Muschamp. Everyone now can see what a disaster he inherited, and can see that it’s going to take some time to clean up Urban’s mess. He’s going to get more patience with his rebuilding job.