Are Dimitroff, Smitty and Matty Ice still right for the Falcons?
The general manager, the coach and the quarterback. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)
More than just a giddy ride, the Falcons’ 2008 ascent from oblivion constituted a watershed: A franchise that had gotten a zillion things wrong got three major things right. In one offseason, the Falcons had found the right general manager, the right coach and the right quarterback. Could world domination be far behind?
Here it is 2012, and we’ve seen the Falcons fashion four consecutive winning seasons — this from an operation that had never known two in a row — and three playoff appearances. But there has been no Super Bowl surge, not even a postseason victory. And now we ask the chilling question: What if Thomas Dimitroff, Mike Smith and Matt Ryan weren’t the right guys after all?
Touting Thomas: The GM had a bravura beginning, landing Michael Turner in free agency and drafting a starting quarterback (Ryan), a starting left tackle (Sam Baker) and a starting middle linebacker (Curtis Lofton). Also included in that first class: Harry Douglas, the slot receiver; Kroy Biermann, who has started at defensive end, and Thomas DeCoud, now the free safety. In 2009 Dimitroff landed the All-Pro tight end Tony Gonzalez in a pre-draft trade. In 2010 he snagged linebacker Sean Weatherspoon, who’s a rising star, with the 19th overall pick, and in 2011 he traded up 21 spots to land Julio Jones, who’ll be an All-Pro soon, in the draft.
Doubting Thomas: Baker’s effectiveness has waned, and defensive lineman Peria Jerry, taken in Round 1 in 2009, got hurt and has done nothing. The big free-agent signings of 2010 and 2011 — cornerback Dunta Robinson and defensive end Ray Edwards — haven’t yet panned out. Of the nine Falcons named to Pro Bowl rosters over the past four seasons, only three were Dimitroff acquisitions. The defense, which ranked 24th in the 32-team NFL in 2008 and was summarily gutted, still hasn’t cracked the top 10 (it was 12th last season); the offense, which ranked sixth in 2008, has since finished 16th, 16th and 10th.
Touting Smitty: This coach has won 67.2 percent of his regular-season games, which trumps the winning percentages of Bill Belichick, Sean Payton and Mike McCarthy. Only in 2009 have Smith’s Falcons lost consecutive games, and not once over four seasons have they lost three in a row. He’s the only coach in Falcons history to post four winning seasons. (Leeman Bennett had three, Dan Reeves two.) Over those four seasons, the Falcons are 34-7 against teams that didn’t qualify for the playoffs, which means that in an any-given-Sunday league they’re not given to lapses.
Doubting Smitty: He’s 0-3 in postseason games, and each time the Falcons entered with the better record. Over four regular seasons, Smith’s teams are 9-14 against eventual playoff qualifiers, which means they aren’t nearly as impressive when matched against teams of comparable worth. He’s 2-6 against New Orleans.
Touting Matty Ice: Ryan and Steve Bartkowski are the only quarterbacks to lead the Falcons to the playoffs three times. Over four seasons Ryan has thrown for 14,238 yards with 95 touchdown passes against 46 interceptions. He has presided over 11 fourth-quarter comebacks and led 16 game-winning drives, which beats Aaron Rodgers’ output (three and six) and is comparable to Drew Brees’ (12 and 17) over the past four years.
Doubting Matty Ice: He hasn’t finished higher than eighth in NFL in passer rating, and in yards per attempt — a key indicator — he ranked higher as a rookie (fifth) than as a fourth-year pro (15th). He made six turnovers in his first two playoff losses and couldn’t lead a scoring drive in the third. The Falcons are 3-12 in regular-season games when Ryan throws 40 or more passes, and he hasn’t had even a 200-yard game in the playoffs.
Conclusions (mine, anyway): I remain impressed with Dimitroff — the five-picks-for-Julio draft deal was a big risk that will yield a bigger reward — and see no reason why a coach capable of winning in the regular season won’t find playoff success. But Smith seemed stuck last season between his GM’s desire for a more “explosive” offense and coordinator Mike Mularkey’s more plodding scheme.
It’s the belief here that Mularkey, who left to become Jacksonville’s head coach, drummed the daring out of Ryan, and a championship quarterback cannot be timid. The hires of Dirk Koetter as offensive coordinator and Pat Hill as line coach — each of whom should better fit Dimitroff’s vision of “urgency” — offer the chance for a needed offensive reboot.
Dimitroff, Smith and Ryan have done great work to lift the Falcons to a place where it’s possible to be disappointed in a playoff season, and they remain bright and driven men. But the job isn’t finished, and it wouldn’t be wise to let Arthur Blank begin to wonder, as infamously happened with another Falcons owner, if his beloved club has reached a plateau.
By Mark Bradley
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Devil's Advocate
February 16th, 2012
10:46 am
SavDawg,
I don’t disagree that Ryan is constantly under pressure. I’m just saying that applies to all QBs. Ryan still threw for a lot of yards but unfortunately they hardly come against the good teams and that’s on Ryan IMO. He’s billed as a smart QB who can make adjustments at the LOS so he needs to show that against the better defenses. That’s when he’ll be elite.
Your second point is exactly what I referred to in my first post. Bring back our dominant run blocking and Ryan is a non-issue but we’ve got to replace Turner soon because we’re on borrowed time with him.
Taxi Smith
February 16th, 2012
10:52 am
Another question: Is Bradley still right for the AJC??
Dontavius Supremo
February 16th, 2012
10:55 am
Some of you idiots wouldn’t know a good quarterback if he bit you in the a$$. Go back to your cubicles and shut up.
SavDawg
February 16th, 2012
10:56 am
DA i agree somewhat but against the better “D”’s is where our OL’ is really outmatched. I don’t know how many adjs. can be made with no time. I wonder if our inabilty to run screens & other plays to slow down DL’s afects any adjm’s he can make.
T
February 16th, 2012
10:58 am
If the jeremy lin story had happened here, it wouldn’t even be big. It’s all because it’s in new york
Ronald Millsaps
February 16th, 2012
11:47 am
“crose714″— This “second place is the first loser” nonsense is just that: nonsense, and the benchmark it uses for success is totally wrong.
Also, even if the non-winners were indeed losers, the second-place individual would be the last “loser”, so you’re system is mathematically flawed————-and unfortunately, this classless drivel, like a lot of other classless drivel, made its way to many a t-shirt.
Each team and player have “x” amount of God-given potential. Developing that potential should be the goal. Many a player has worn a Super Bowl ring without contributing that much to it. Many have contributed much and never worn one.
The Falcons’ playoff record really should read 1-2 or 0-2* because that Arizona game should’ve been played in Atlanta, and the outcome likely would’ve been different otherwise. In 2010, Green Bay at full strength was a lot better than Atlanta at full strength, and the former hit their stride in the playoffs. I didn’t expect Atlanta to win that game, nor did I expect them to beat the Giants, a team with much-stronger lines of scrimmage, among other things.
As it is, Atlanta is pretty good. Getting to the next level entails making some key adjustments, i.e. bolstering said lines of scrimmage, opening up the offense, and using wiser play-calling. Smith’s a terrific football guy but is terrible in that regard.
Email Profiling Is Wrong
February 16th, 2012
12:13 pm
I don’t have high hopes for the 2012 Falcons. Carolina is on the come, and New Orleans is far superior to us. I think free agency is gonna gut the team of some of its best talent (Abraham, Grimes and perhaps Lofton on defense) and Harry Douglas on offense. Harry who? If he bolts for greener pasturplodding two-headed monster Mularkey and Ryan.
Being the third best team in our division doesn’t bode well for our earning a playoff berth.
We are stuck with free agents, Dunta and Edwards and a pimply-voiced QB who’s most asset to date seems to be an inexhaustible reservoir of good will with the legions of fans who continue to make excuses for his numbing mediocrity.
On the hopeful side, we had wholesale turnover among the coordinators. I believe we have a new O-line coach and DB coach coming in as well.
Maybe these new movers and shakers can mold Matt into the man the PR spin from Flowery Branch claims him to be. Perhaps the Birds can scheme up a pass rush and figure a way to get the opposition off the field on third-and-anything.
We’ll see.
It’s too early to abandon this ship. But I think it’s prudent to make sure you know where your life jacket is.
Email Profiling Is Wrong
February 16th, 2012
12:17 pm
For nobody’s benefit but mine. That first paragraph should read:”
I don’t have high hopes for the 2012 Falcons. Carolina is on the come, and New Orleans is far superior to us. I think free agency is gonna gut the team of some of its best talent (Abraham, Grimes and perhaps Lofton on defense) and Harry Douglas on offense. Harry who? If he bolts for greener pastures, we’ll hear his name plenty. His 2011 production was a victim of the plodding two-headed monster Mularkey and Ryan.”
Tony in johns creek
February 16th, 2012
12:37 pm
Stay the course. We need offensive linemen. Period. We need one of the best offensive lines in football. Turner gets more holes, Ryan has more time to throw DOWN FIELD, receivers need to catch the ball IN STRIDE. Need a more versitle running back, who can catch screen passes. A good OL will keep our defense more fresh too, by keeping the ball in time of possession too.
Ackshun
February 16th, 2012
12:42 pm
Look go get Manning and let Ryan learn from him. We would win a superbowl next year and Ryan would be awesome as heir apparent under Mannings tutelage.
juststoppingby
February 16th, 2012
12:50 pm
oh yes….mediocrity is so popular these days.
Rickster
February 16th, 2012
12:54 pm
Mark Bradley: He has presided over 11 fourth-quarter comebacks and led 16 game-winning drives, which beats Aaron Rodgers’ output (three and six) and is comparable to Drew Brees’ (12 and 17) over the past four years.
Mark, could this be because, over the last four years, NO and GB haven’t had to come from behind as often as the Falcon have?
In baseball, if a batter drives in a run to give a team a lead which it never relinquishes, that’s called a game-winning RBI. If Rodgers or Brees leads a drive in the first quarter that puts them ahead 7-3… isn’t that a game-winning drive?
smooth
February 16th, 2012
1:17 pm
I think it is time to get rid of Mark Bradley! The Falcons have made the playoffs 3 times with the 3 mentioned. I think also that Thomas Anthony is all wet and probably was a cheerleader in HS.
FalconE
February 16th, 2012
1:29 pm
dimitroff, smith, ryan—overrated. ATL will never win a title with this group. But, Arthur better get his new stadium soon, or he’ll threaten to move somewhere!
just facts
February 16th, 2012
1:33 pm
could you please cut out the “matty ice” stuff. it is embarrassing for everyone including him. the only thing “ice like” in his performance under pressure is the way that he “freezes up”
just facts
February 16th, 2012
1:38 pm
but, even with my last comment, ryan is not the biggest problem. the fact that blank has bought into the belicheck (wanna be but never will be) dimitroff is the biggest problem. dimitroff shoulb be held accountable for the numeous draft and free agent busts that he has had. if dimitroff HAD BEEN working for many other organizations he would now NOT BE working for them anymore.
Just saying..
February 16th, 2012
2:13 pm
Mark-
When did you get so edgy, asking awkward questions, man?
I love it.
goodgod
February 16th, 2012
2:45 pm
when the falcon start beating winning teams then i’ll know they are on the right track.
Brandon
February 16th, 2012
3:08 pm
It’s a good analysis, but its a huge improvement for the team historically. Note the long standing, success organizations in the NFL. Consistency breeds success.
The playoff record of 0-3 kills me to, but note that all 3 of those teams that beat us made the Super Bowl and two of them won it. Granted, our performance in all 3 games left something to be desired, but it would have beed different if those team were blown out in the following rounds.
mark
February 16th, 2012
3:16 pm
What Choke too busy cleaning up your room in the basement to respond? Facts suck for guys like you b/c it gets in the way of your agenda. Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees still chocking after all these years. What about that Dilfer vs Manning comparison. What a douchebag, you must be related to that other ahole Seen This Before. I guess he is still busy crying over is vaunted Saints loosing to the Niners.
Capt. "No" Comeback Vick
February 16th, 2012
3:23 pm
Vick = two 100 million dollar contracts, a prison term and 1 NFC championship game (appearance only) in 11 years…. OMG!!!
I think he’s awesome
FANtastic
February 16th, 2012
4:20 pm
Run first doesn’t work against Green Bay and NO? That must be why they won the SB… Oh wait…
MJ
February 16th, 2012
5:49 pm
How ’bout them Bobcats?
NUNNA
February 16th, 2012
6:30 pm
Hey Mark,
Stop giving these guys a pass!!
You know dog gone well that we have a noodle arm for a QB and that he is not gonna get any better than he is now..
And TD cannot be that good if the PATS let him go so freaking easily..Think about it..
Its like they said we asked if we could talk to him and they looked at him and said,
“Gone”!..And he packed and on his way to atlanta..
I like Mike Smith..He is humble,a great mind,and i interviewed him during the 1st annual black college football hall of fame induction at the W hotel 2 years ago..
TD said on draft day that the thing he loved best about Ryan was the fact that he sounded like Tom Brady..Not that he played or lead his team to championships like Brady but because when talking to him he sounds like the guy..
Give me a freaking break!!
Trade Ryan for higher draft pick for RG3..
Bring back Ken Herock or get permission from anyone in the packers or the saints organization to bring in someone to become our next GM and give Mike the team and talent he needs..to get us to the super bowl..
NUNNA
February 16th, 2012
6:32 pm
Correction:
ts like that we asked if we could talk to him(TD) and they looked at him and said,
“Gone”!..
NUNNA
February 16th, 2012
6:33 pm
Correction#2:
Its like that we asked if we could talk to him(TD) and they looked at him and said,
“Gone”!..
Im sorry..Im about to do a radio interview and i am rushing my typing..
Techbuzz
February 16th, 2012
6:42 pm
Mark……REALLY……REALLY….why even write a piece like this???? How many years and playoff loses did it take for Elway to get HIS rings? The Buffalo Bills went to FOUR STRAIGHT SB’s and no one refers to THEM as “busts”. I know you write these pieces just to get hype and speculation moving, but seriously, COME ON!!!!!!!
This tandem of TD, Smitty, and Matty Ice have been the most successful tandem in Falcons HISTORY!! FOUR straight winning season, 3 out of 4 years in the playoffs, the last two BACK 2 BACK. Mind you, all of these accolades, would be a PIPE DREAM of Falcons fans from 20 years ago and longer.
Is there room for improvement, without question. Do things need to be tweaked, heck yes, but to blow up the whole thing and start over is just…… ASININE to even consider or entertain. Our BIGGEST issue(s) this season was the O-Line, and no pressure on opposing QB’s. Matt Ryan can’t throw the ball when he has no time to throw, heck, Joe Montana can’t even do that (remember when he was crushed in that game against the Giants).
Ryan does need a better deep ball, and that is obvious, but he DID break Steve Bartkowski’s single-season passing record this year. And while that does attribute to the O-line, to a point, it is STILL a broken record. Matty Ice IS our franchise QB, and should be until he retires. And now with Mularkey gone, hopefully now, our offensive weapons can be better utilized instead of wasted.
If we don’t get a pass rush on opposing QB’s, and CB’s that can cover, and get INT’s, then we will NEVER get past the first round. As the Giants proved in the playoffs, yet again, any team wanting a SB championship, NEEDS a solid defense!! I won’t go into specific players, and issues dealing with them, b/c we have done that to death, and we ALL know who the REAL players are on D, and who needs to be sent packing, b/c there isn’t any sacking.
I have FULL faith, and trust, in TD and Smitty. Look where they have brought this franchise. Do they need a playoff win, YES, most definitely, but do we REALLY want to go back to 5-11, 4-12, or worse seasons again just b/c we panicked? Hail no!!!!!!!
loserville
February 16th, 2012
11:23 pm
in atlanta, having a “winning season” or “making the playoffs” is considered a huge year. In championship cities, that’s mediocre. The reason atl will always be loserville.
demetrius
February 16th, 2012
11:43 pm
All falcons players suck the whole damn franchise.
doggoneit
February 16th, 2012
11:53 pm
Matt “CHOKE” Ryan : You could never be sooooooo wrong! It’s a Team sport. Not a player sport! ACT your age, OH sorry, you are. BTW your so dumb you got fired from the M&M factory for throwing away the W’s
doggoneit
February 16th, 2012
11:56 pm
GO FALCONS!!!!! EVERYONE ELSE MOVE TO ENGLAND!!!!!! SUPPORT YOUR TEAM!!!!!
THE NEXT GREAT GM!!!
February 17th, 2012
1:20 am
It is true that matt , mike, and thomas has brought winning to the city of atlanta..hurray…but the fact of the matter is thomas could have made much better choices in free agency as well as the draft..the signing of ray edwards will turn out jus fine if falcon fans relax and duanta robinson, grimes if resigned,witherspoon, lofton, moore, decoud,and dent are impact players on defense wen used to there strengths…howeva..what about anderson, perry, hall being traded,boley being lossed, perry,bierman, the o linemen we lossed last season….
THE NEXT GREAT GM!!!
February 17th, 2012
1:35 am
last year once again we allowed some great defensive palyers in free agency slip right out our fingers…players who would have gotten this team over the hump…charles johnson,banaan,rogers cromartie, asi,and so on..julio jones will be the greatest asset we eva had on o and even thoe hes over paid roddy is a nice number 2 option and harry is nice in the slot..but we need not only more speed at the wr position we need a line to protect ryan..thomas has to realize that matt is not mobile and his arm strength is not like rogers,brees,manning,or brady…in order for the falcons to have success in the future we need to start with both lines on offense as well as defense..we need size, speed, and strength on both sides..we also need to simply admit that mike was not a great offensive coordinator..he had talent and made dem good the great ones take the ones around them to another level he was predictable and nieve..the defense simply did not have the talent to take us further look at the giants d line and backs compared to ours..football is simple but do to a nieve GM in thomas, a nice coach in smith(great head coach jus needs to b tuffer dats all) a few missing pieces of offense and defense, as well as a owner who knows nothing about football thats the reason the falcons struggle..if i had a shot a GM give me 2 yrs falcons a b in the superbowl in 5 i garuntee we would have atleast 2 rings with my football knowledge..check my comments i was right about the playoffs as well as the season i know talent and how to use it you are doing it wrong ARTHUR BLANK AND THOMAS …LOOK ME UP AND GIVE ME A SHOT I CANT DO ANY WORST THANU GUYS I WANT A CHAMPIONSHIP FOR THE CITY FOR THE FANS FOR THE GAME….
Edo River
February 17th, 2012
2:29 am
I come here first when I come to the sports section. Well put. The three are definitely on the same page, whatever page that is. The harmony and familiarity of the relationship which has developed should not be undervalued. 5 years is an interesting sign post. surely after 5 seasons we’ll be able to assess what needs improving. Well, we know the defense needs the highest priority this year and the next, don’t we?
Gritsfed
February 17th, 2012
4:50 am
I don’t know what Mike Smith has, Lord knows I have never been too impressed with him, but his teams win (regular season) alot. Next year is the end of his 5 year contract–unless Mr. Blank gave him an extension while I was in hibernation. The 2012 is and should be a make or break year for the falcons. If Smitty doesn’t get the team, at least to the NFC Championship game, let him go! I think it’ll be interesting to see what Matt Ryan does under the new O coordinator. And it will be especially interesting to see what happens with Michael Turner. I think Turner is done!!! And who will they get to replace him. Matt Ryan HAS TO have a running game to win the games he has won, nevermind about the playoffs.,,,,,the Falcons HAVE TO find a big time running back!!!
Samuel
February 17th, 2012
6:53 am
Well, all three are under pressure this year, especially Mike Smith, he has to win a playoff game. If not he should be fired. Besides, he hasn’t been competitive in his playoff loses, save The Arizona Cardinals game. He doesn’t seem to get his players ready for big games against stiff competition.
old fart
February 17th, 2012
8:00 am
The problem with all our Atlanta teams (Braves, Falcons, Hawks, etc) is us … the fans. We accept mediocrity. If we were as rabid, demanding, and vocal as the Phillies, Mets, Patriots, Packers etc fans are … we’d have won several Super Bowls and World Series. We do have many great fans … but not enough of them (how many sell outs have we had at any of our must win or prime time or playoff games?). Governments fall when its citizens rebel. Atlanta fans must also rebel and demand better results from our teams.
WELP
February 17th, 2012
9:27 am
Falcons are trash, Hawks are trash, Braves are trash.
All of them should relocate so we can focus on what really matters… Strip clubs!
monty
February 17th, 2012
9:42 am
Last 2 years we got beat by the eventual SB winners. No shame there except for the scores. Not like we lost to some has-been teams. We got beat by the teams that beat the Patriots and Steelers (or whoever it was). We got beat by a HOF QB and perhaps another one in Manning. Teams with better QB protection and better defenses at game time. Swap QB’s and do the Falcons win automatically? I don’t think so. The problems lie in pass rush and pass protection. Does MR need to step up and get some grittiness? Absolutely! Go watch Eli Manning game tapes of the playoffs everyday and try to copy!
PMC
February 17th, 2012
9:58 am
Question: The last two franchise QB’s that the Falcons have employed, Vick then Ryan have come to the team and had immediate success. That success has also eroded somewhat as they have gone along. Ryan has been more consistant probably because he does so much work off the field, but Vick obviously was a lot more talented and brought a lot of skills to the table that helped an otherwise lightly talented team win all the way up to an AFC championship game appearance.
Why is it that the Offensive Coordinators during that time after Reeves was fired (so essentially Knapp, Mularkey) got worse over time?
Why do we hire guys who are so inflexible they can’t either adapt or change what they do to fit the strengths of the players they have or they are simply hard headed about their methods?
Last year obviously from game one it was apparent Right Guard was awful and it wasn’t getting better. The line had a fairly crappy year all around even if Svitek did shore up the blind side, yet we were incapable of modifying what we do to account for weaknesses.
Green Bay has a phenominal QB, no question and they have great receivers but they couldn’t run to save their lives, and they had countless injuries to key members of the offensive line… and yet they succeded until very late in the year when the injuries and the like finally caught up and the previous year they weathered the storm and won a super bowl.
It is remarkable that the offensive staff that has been here cannot find ways to adapt and score points.
I know the OL is not exactly made up of pro bowl talent, but they are all NFL players, they can’t execute screens? Why?
The offensive philosophy here has been the primary failure of this team in the last 8 years.
Mo Joe
February 17th, 2012
10:05 am
smith and ryan–nice guys, but not championship caliber. But, they will keep their jobs because they are so “nice!”
Michael from Macon
February 17th, 2012
10:21 am
Sadly, I think coaching is the key and Smith has not proven he has a killer instinct as a coach, and thus his players have adopted his character. They are thoughtful and considerate men who like football and would like to win, but at the end of the day do not possess the killer instinct to win. I was one of the first to say Smith should go. But now, I think with the new staff hires on both sides of the ball, this should be his last chance to show he can lead a team. That goes for Ryan (who seems to regress each year instead of progressing each year) and Dimitroff. What TD does in free agency and with his own pending free agents will either make him this year or get his fired.
Alex
February 17th, 2012
10:38 am
This happiest I’ve ever been as a Falcons!! Best era ever. The team is better than its playoff record but the QB/GM/Head Coach aren’t the problem. Thank goodness for the different coordinators.
doublebogey
February 17th, 2012
12:24 pm
stupid article—-beaten by superbowls champs two yrs. in a row, maken the playoffs, lets panick and start over—why not bring back the Smiths
ASHCAN!!!!!!
February 17th, 2012
12:44 pm
Hey choke,i think you are getting to these sorry bird brain fans.You speak facts and they combat by bringing up vick.Deep down they really know that matt ryan will not produce.So they take up for him by responding with yo momma jokes ect….this is 2012 and in 2020 the same bloggers will still be making excuses for this sorry franchise.If blank was smart he would make nolan the coach,smitty is a BIG crybaby and pitiful game manager.Matt weak arm ryan will not cut it and soon you blind as a bat fans will see.
ASHCAN!!!!!!
February 17th, 2012
12:48 pm
And if you(Whom ever) don’t like my comment,well you can KISS MY ASHCAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
78dawg
February 17th, 2012
2:06 pm
Tom D. has been a miserable failure…..Smith an average coach….Ryan needs to learn to throw on the run and lose the happy feet..if not trade him after next year,
FATS OKELLY
February 17th, 2012
2:19 pm
Maybe this Ryan kid just aint the right guy for the Falcons. We need some guy that spits fire in the huddle and he turns into Howdy Doody at playoff time. That s all
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
February 17th, 2012
2:26 pm
Anybody seen Mr. Charlie?
He dropped off the blogs since his elite CHOKE failed him again
I believe he is using another name or he could be working overtime at Chuck Cheese
Matt "CHOKE" Ryan
February 17th, 2012
2:29 pm
Brandon
February 16th, 2012
3:08 pm
It’s a good analysis, but its a huge improvement for the team historically. Note the long standing, success organizations in the NFL. Consistency breeds success.
The playoff record of 0-3 kills me to, but note that all 3 of those teams that beat us made the Super Bowl and two of them won it
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Nice spin, but if the Falcants beat them, then they would never have played in the superbowl.
Nice try though