The SEC West tiebreakers: Hold your breath and count to five
"If I'm the world's greatest coach, how come I keep losing to Leslie Miles?" (AP photo)
The most intriguing team in the land isn’t the one that won The Greatest Game Ever Played If You Don’t Care About Touchdowns. It’s the one that lost. As it stands, Alabama has a better chance of winning the national championship than it does the SEC crown, and wasn’t it only 2007 — help me on this, Georgia fans — when we were told a team that doesn’t win its conference doesn’t deserve to play for the BCS title?
That was the reason given then for elevating two-loss LSU, which had lost its final regular-season game at home, ahead of two-loss Georgia, which hadn’t lost since Oct. 6, in the final BCS poll. Never mind that the Bulldogs entered the final weekend ranked ahead of the Tigers. But the same thinking mightn’t apply if it comes to a choice between one-loss Alabama and one-loss Anybody Else. (Oklahoma, Oregon, Arkansas, even Clemson.)
Alabama, see, has the aura of a champion, if not necessarily the results. (It has Nick Saban, who somehow remained the world’s greatest coach after finishing fourth in a six-team division in 2010.) It was ranked No. 1 in preseason despite having lost four Round 1 NFL draftees plus its starting quarterback, and it fell only one spot in the BCS rankings after losing at home on a night when all Nick’s men couldn’t muster a TD.
The calls for an LSU-Alabama weren’t just immediate in the aftermath; they’d been raised even before the game began. (The thinking being that, since an SEC team is going to win the BCS anyway, why not make the title game at least interesting?) After prevailing in Tuscaloosa, LSU shouldn’t need to prove it can beat Bama twice to be national champ, but that could well be its assignment. Which would be grossly unfair, but when has big-time college football even been fair?
Even more confusing: LSU can lose to Arkansas in Baton Rouge on Nov. 25 and still represent the SEC West in the Georgia Dome. This is because of a complicated-but-sensible SEC tiebreaker. Were LSU to lose that game and finish in a three-way tie with the Tide and the Razorbacks, the Tigers would still get the West nod as long as they don’t fall more than five BCS spots behind Alabama. The SEC rule in question:
The tied team with the highest ranking in the Bowl Championship Series Standings following the last weekend of regular-season games shall be the divisional representative in the SEC championship game, unless the second of the tied teams is ranked within five-or-fewer places of the highest ranked tied team. In this case, the head-to-head results of the top two ranked tied teams shall determine the representative in the SEC championship game.
You might recall that Texas beat Oklahoma in 2008 but couldn’t play for the Big 12 title and was omitted from the BCS title game because the Sooners finished first in the BCS rankings to the Longhorns’ third. That wasn’t right: When teams are tied, head-to-head should be the determinant. The five-or-fewer rule comes close to making that a reality. But there are loopholes within this loophole.
If Alabama is No. 1 in the Nov. 27 BCS standings to LSU’s No. 7, Alabama would represent the West, head-to-head be hanged. If Arkansas should beat LSU and nose ahead of the Tigers in the rankings, Alabama would likewise prevail. Because Arkansas would then be the second-place SEC team in the BCS standings, and Alabama beat the Hogs on Sept. 24.
Here we pause to consider Arkansas’ possible plight. Should they beat LSU, the Razorbacks could make the case that they’re playing the best football in the nation’s best league, but they’d surely be blocked from playing for the SEC title. And the team Arkansas just upset would not, provided LSU stays ahead of Arkansas in the BCS standings, which could well happen. (As we speak, the Tigers are No. 1 to the Hogs’ No. 6.)
Yeah, a nice eight-team playoff would come close to solving all this, but I’ve abandoned hope of that. But at least we in the Eastern time zone are facing a welcome bit of clarity, championship-wise. If Georgia beats Kentucky on Saturday, the Bulldogs will play for the conference title. If they lose to Kentucky, the Georgia athletic association will announce Sunday that it has dropped the sport.
By Mark Bradley
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FLA DAWG
November 16th, 2011
11:26 pm
If (and more likely when) LSU beats UGA in The SECC then this hypothetical nonsense you propose will be moot – forgive me for repeating myself.
In the unlikely event The Dawgs beat LSU the BCS will NOT pit LSU v Bama again as the West Coasties must be satisfied.
So goes college football without a playoff system.
Dr. Morpheus
November 16th, 2011
11:27 pm
I have a theory that the vast majority of people who want a Bama-LSU rematch (other than the Bama coaches and team) are Bama fans. I get that; although, if you get a rematch and win, there should be a third game to give the same consideration to LSU. But, if you’re not a Bama fan and you want a re-match, what’s your thinking?
rw
November 16th, 2011
11:45 pm
Someone pointed this out up thread, but the biggest 2007 snub was the Rose Bowl taking Illinois instead of Georgia. The final 2007 AP poll did not have LSU a unanimous #1; Georgia got 3 first places votes, USC got 1, and Kansas got 1. There was an outside chance that a USC-Georgia match-up could produce an “instant classic” with the winner having a chance, albeit small, of winning the AP title.
Whodoo
November 16th, 2011
11:45 pm
Whatever: If UGA wins out and beats LSU in the SEC Championship game then according to the ESPN Rule implemented in 2007 (if you don’t win your conference title you should not play for the NC) only UGA would be eligible from the SEC to play for the BCS title. With UGA being 11-2 and a eleven game winning streak including a victory over the No. 1 ranked team then UGA should be considered the top team in the country and play for the championship. Under this scenario (created by the mighty ESPN) Ala and LSU would not be eligible to play in the BCS.
Best team in 2007 got screwed.
Dr. Morpheus
November 16th, 2011
11:47 pm
Let’s try this again (sorry if it posts twice)- How many people who want a Bama-LSU rematch are NOT Bama fans (or players or coaches)? If you get one and win, shouldn’t LSU get a rematch to settle the matter, best 2 out of 3? But if you aren’t a frustrated Bammer and want a rematch, what’s your thinking?
Barking Dawg
November 17th, 2011
12:14 am
Considering how LSU screwed us in 07, screwed us in that game in 09 with that phantom “excessive celebration” on AJ’s TD, and how every time I hear something about UGA lately its usually followed by “they haven’t beaten anybody this year”, I would say with no disrespect to Bama or Ark but we shouldn’t wanna play anybody other than the great #1 ranked unbeatable perfect defense of LSU. We owe them bastards one anyway…GO DAWGS!
kembig2
November 17th, 2011
12:56 am
LOL! HEY MARK! I LOVE THAT LAST SENTENCE YOU PUT! HILARIOUS!
Crimson Crush
November 17th, 2011
1:24 am
So … what this article is saying is no matter what happens on Dec 3 the Dawgs will NEVER play for a National Championship … got it
TheAntiMe
November 17th, 2011
1:38 am
Well, it only stands to reason that the tiebreaker would be as convoluted as Thomas Dimitroff’s hairdoo. After all, if there is one thing that is consistent about the NCAA that would be it’s inconsistency.
The NCAA Basketball Championship is decided by a tournament with nearly every college basketball team there is. On the other hand, the NCAA Football Championship is decided by a formulaic equation that has more twists and turns than a beauty pageant – which, in effect, is what the BCS actually resembles much more than any reasonable form of deciding a sports championship winner.
Not surprising that the NCAA is more like a political election than an actual sporting contest as the only reason that there is not a playoff system in NCAA Football is that the one’s who make the rules feel that they gain more money in their bank accounts by keeping things totally screwed-up under the BCS, and more specifically, have sold their collective souls to the postseason bowl system.
fan
November 17th, 2011
3:06 am
that is what i being saying for the longest how can ALA. play BCS game and did not win the west ESPN need to stay out of it because they are the one that got GA. in 2007 always trying to tell somebody who they would like to see a playoff would be good
Crimson Crush
November 17th, 2011
4:26 am
Nice rant there AntiMe … problem is you spent three paragraphs tearing apart the NCAA for it’s “convoluted” tie breaker rules … and those rules were made by the SEC office … to deal with SEC teams … in SEC playoffs .
The fact that the rest of the nation knows that any possible divisional champ of the East this year is basically the winner of a tallest midget contest is not the NCAA’s fault … or for that matter it is not the fault of the SEC main office either . Whining because sports journalist , coaches and the rest of the nation acknowledges and accepts reality is sort of silly …..
BBQMAN
November 17th, 2011
5:06 am
it was wrong in 2007 and would be wrong now to leave out alabama for lack of a sec title. if uga fans truely thought they were wronged in 07, they’d defend bama now
Georgia Logic
November 17th, 2011
5:54 am
Just as in 2007, we deserve to play for the championship even if we lose to Kentucky.
TheAntiMe
November 17th, 2011
6:06 am
@Crimson Crush: Last I checked, the SEC was governed by the NCAA so that would mean the SEC tiebreaker is actually sanctioned ultimately by the NCAA. Sorry if the logic of the situation goes right over your head.
drew
November 17th, 2011
6:16 am
“Yeah, a nice eight-team playoff would come close to solving all this, but I’ve abandoned hope of that.”
Well I haven’t. My college football season will end in a couple of weeks, with the possible exception of the one meaningful game (that would be the “championship game”). All of the other cute little “bowl games” hold nothing for me…I just have no interest in watching exhibition games. I’ll probably watch the championship game, but the other meaningless bowl games don’t even exist as far as I’m concerned. I’m a Tech fan, but I won’t be watching their “exhibition” game either.
Give me four quarterfinal games, a couple of semis, and a TRUE championship game, and I’ll be back. The BCS is a fraud and a scam. Want a playoff? Boycott all these meaningless bowl games. Seriously…the money all comes from TV revenues…if people don’t watch, advertisers won’t pay, and change will come. Now’s the time…don’t wait until the BCS locks-up another long term contract and preventing any hope of a playoff.
TheAntiMe
November 17th, 2011
6:18 am
Nice rant there AntiMe … problem is you spent three paragraphs tearing apart the NCAA for it’s “convoluted” tie breaker rules
Actually, Crimson Crush, apparently you don’t read so well. I addressed the tiebreaker in only the first paragraph. The other two paragraphs were spent pointing out the inconsistency of how the NCAA decides it’s champions and the folly of the BCS system.
You seem to think that the BCS system was handed down from heaven by God Almighty. Actually, it was made by NCAA bureaucrats and can be amended to a playoff system that actually makes sense by those very same bureaucrats. I hate to break this to you since you seem to love the BCS system so much but you are most definitely in the minority.
I like it how
November 17th, 2011
6:32 am
UGA is acting like they don’t even play GT…I know it means nothing for the SEC game,But they already have that game as a W in their book.If the GT team that beat Clemson shows up that day? We got a ball game!
legionaire
November 17th, 2011
6:52 am
Alabama deserves Saban. I love seeing them pay a dude $5 million a year and he will have not made it to the SEC a 2nd year in a row. The way UGA is playing, I can see them beating LSU. Murray will have the D coordinator on stomach medicine trying to find our which one of 6 or 7 guys will catch a TD pass and still be able to stop Crowell.
Sam
November 17th, 2011
7:17 am
You GA fans kill me. After the first 2 games you wanted to jump off a bridge and now somehow they are one of the best teams in the country. Can’t wait for LSU to kick that butt so you all come back to reality. In the meantime, keep dreaming as long as you can because it will be over soon.
Sam
November 17th, 2011
7:29 am
You are damn right BAMA deserves Saban and we will gladly keep him. You keep your fantastic coach and we will keep poor Saban. Like our chances going forward better than yours. By the way, since 08 until this current point in the season BAMA is 45-6 with a NC. What is GA’s record during that period?
Dukon
November 17th, 2011
8:52 am
Even though LSU came out a winner because of BAMA mistakes, BAMA won in every statistic except points scored ( which pts. wins ballgames) But leaves BAMA as a better team!!!
Alabama Dog
November 17th, 2011
9:59 am
Dukon: what’s that Bear Bryant used to say: “Statistics are for the losers”?
Seriously??
November 17th, 2011
10:36 am
SAM- Great answer. For the record: UGA 32-17 with 20 plus arrests, only second to UF in that category
Herb Tarlek
November 17th, 2011
11:35 am
People forget that in 2007 Georgia was “Sanduskied” in Neyland Stadium by 21 points by a 5 loss Tennessee team. That being said, Georgia deserved to be in the BCSCG over LSU who lost to Kentucky and Arkansas the last game of the season. Don’t think the conference championship should matter. There are a lot of wacky tie-breakers that can prevent the best teams from actually participating, ie. Big 12 in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008 and possibly SEC 2011.
Alabama Dog
November 17th, 2011
11:43 am
Herb, Nebraska (speaking of the Big 12) made it to the BCS title game as a non-conference champion. It CAN happen. The only problem I have with Alabama going to the game is what I’ve been saying all along: they had their shot November 5th in Tuscaloosa, and didn’t take care of business. That game was, in effect a “play in game” for the BCS title game. Alabama KNEW how important that game was up front to their title hopes, as did LSU.
face2319
November 17th, 2011
12:45 pm
I guess no one remembers when Oklahoma and Nebraska didn’t when their Conference Championship back around 2001 & 2002 huh? Oklahoma actually lost their last game of the season and still played for the National Title!!
timthebrave
November 17th, 2011
1:21 pm
I have a question. If UGA beats a undefeated LSU and LSU and Alabama are ranked 1 and 2 can you have 3 SEC teams in the BCS bowl?
DawgFan (the original)
November 17th, 2011
2:37 pm
Hey daddo, LSU was stomped by Arkansas only a few weeks before the SEC championship game in which they required a later interception to beat a dminished Tenn team. If UGA wins the SEC championship no other team from the SEC would be qualified for the NC game…end of discussion.
DawgFan (the original)
November 17th, 2011
2:39 pm
What they did to UGA back in 2007 was ugly but it established this rule that we must all live by now, like it or not.
Brandon
November 17th, 2011
2:39 pm
I hope Bama gets in the Sec Championship Game. That will at least give them a chance to beat UGA. Bama will then have the right to play for BCS GAME. If LSU PLays UGA and UGA knocks them off, BAMA is sitting at number 2 just smiling and knowing they will play for the BIG GAME and didnt win their own conference..(which is B.S.) I want BAMA to play the better UGA team and get whipped and cry till next year……. Bama thinks Nick Satan is god, he’s not god, god can beat Les miles……… anyway……IF U DONT WIN UR CONFERENCE , U CANT PLAY IN BIG GAME!!!
DawgFan (the original)
November 17th, 2011
2:42 pm
Sam, can’t wait to get a chance at the tigers as well. Then we will see who’s best and stop all this guessing. Love the Dawgs chances over LSU.
myother
November 17th, 2011
3:37 pm
Some people have too much money and too much time on their hands to come up with a system like this.
sam
November 17th, 2011
3:37 pm
some of you guys keep talking about what happened to GA in 07 and act like was the establishment of some rule. There is no rule anywhere that states you have to win your conference to play in the championship game. you may want there to be a rule but such a rule doesn’t exist. The BCS is not designed to bring conference champions together but rather the 2 best teams.
sam
November 17th, 2011
3:38 pm
Enter your comments here
Skokie Dog
November 17th, 2011
4:13 pm
d like to mention to the Bama fans on here that in 2007, there were several two-loss teams, just as there may be several one-loss teams this year. What made many U.Ga. fans angry in 2007 was seeing the idle Dogs being leapfrogged in the polls after the conference championship games were played. The same could happen to Bama this year.
The outcome that I’d prefer to see is for the lower ranked teams to win these last few games against the currently higher ranked teams, resulting in more chaos–and more challenges for the “experts” to explain why the two teams that are picked for the mythical national championship games got there. Others above have correctly identified money as the primary rationale for picking some teams over others as opponents in this so-called championship game.
I invite many of you to join me in yawning while the “championship” game is played. Just don’t watch the game. It worked for me after the 2007 season. And if you want to get really serious, just don’t buy the products flogged by the the major sponsors of the “championship” game. Remember, it’s all about the money (and the sales).
Alabama Dog
November 17th, 2011
5:00 pm
sam: agreed. However, living in Alabama, all I heard in ‘07 was Georgia did not desrve to go to the BCS title game, becuase they didn’t win their division, or conference championship from Alabama fans here. Funny, how their perspective has changed now that they probably won’t win their division, or probably won’t be SEC champs. Georgia fans were called WHINERS in’07 by Alabama fans for wanting the same thing they want this year.
Crimson Crush
November 18th, 2011
1:49 am
Big LOLs at AntiMe … first he tries a sputtering rebuttal when it was pointed out he obviously doesn’t have a clue WHO created the SEC tie breaker rules . Tried to talk about (convoluted) logic … or something … I think
Then … feeling (and rightly so
like his first “rebuttal” didn’t exactly cut the mustard he comes back and PROVES he doesn’t have a clue by trying to expound on his lack of knowledge .
Okay AntiMe … let me explain justtttt enough of this for you that you MIGHT be able to fire up Google … burn up Wikipedia … call up some relatives … and still get it wrong LOL
The NCAA does NOT control the tie breaker rules inside the South Eastern Conference . The NCAA also does NOT control the BCS . I will give you a little hint on where to start looking as to WHY … and then I’ll see how much you can figure out with as much help as you are able to muster ….
Once upon a time , a long long time ago … in a land called the 1980s … there was a fierce some struggle over who could go where on television . The wicked stepmother ( known to YOU as the NCAA ) tried to tell her more beautiful stepdaughters they couldn’t go out on dates with any of the local princes ( known to you as TV networks ) unless her own ugly daughters were asked out too .
And so … the more beautiful daughters (known to you as football programs ) decided to move out of the house . OHHHH the evil stepmother was FILLED with rage . She ranted … She threatened … and she finally said she would prevent any of her uglier daugters from ever talking or playing with the beautiful stepdaughters ever again ( for you this means no one for the Gym Dawgs to play with LOL )
Many of the stepdaughters (including the fairest maiden of them all … known by the glimmering moniker of the Crimson Tide ) thought about relenting to the evil stepmothers demands …
But TWO of the stepdaughters … a handsome maid known as a Sooner … and her homelier looking sister …. so homely she was nicknamed the Bulldog … decided they had had enough . They begged and pleaded for a Fairy Godmother (known to you as the Supreme Court ) to help save them from the evil stepmother . And she did … end of story …
So you see AntiMe … to this very day … the NCAA doesn’t actually control the BCS . All because of something that happened long , long ago … before you were born … in a land far , far away ( and beyond your ability to comprehend or understand )
Now that I helped put it in a format you MIGHT grasp parts of , is all this getting any clearer to you now … AntiMe ? AJC doesn’t allow us to post comic books … so if not … you are out of luck
Snoop Dawg
November 18th, 2011
9:09 pm
What’s all this “victimhood” bs by the bulldog nation? Preacha Man LOST TO BOISE STATE AND SOUTH CAROLINA. That is two losses. Supid losses. Coaching losses.
That is why UGA is screwed for the BCS…
No other reason other than Markt Wrecked.
MarineDog
November 18th, 2011
10:32 pm
The thing that will keep UGA out of the NC game even if they win out and win the SECG is that they are currently ranked too low. There’s not enough time left in the season for them to rise in the poles unless there’s some upsets over the top teams.
MarineDog
November 18th, 2011
10:33 pm
“polls” not poles
Txhorsmn
November 19th, 2011
9:32 am
I am baffled by the rule and most of the comments. Both UGA and Ark. are vastly improved from when they lost. If Ark outscores LSU, I know I am in the minority here, but think it is highly probable) then it come to BCS rankings. No one seems to think LSU will drop in rankings after a loss to Ark. They will -Bama did, then climbed back up when other undefeateds lost. I see ArK, Bame and LSU as one loss teams- the BCS decides who goes to play Georgia. Alabama will go because LSU will drop in the standings. Arkansas schedule is stronger than Bama’s but they lose on head to head. The two best teams in the SEC right now are probably Georgia and Arkansas, but we won’t know that until Ark. beats LSU. So if Ark beats LSU, 3 one loss western conference teams will go thru a tie breaker to play Georgia. Bama will win it, and then play Georgia. The question is which one loss team is left out of the bcs-
mat
November 19th, 2011
10:47 am
wasn’t it great when a 6 loss giants team beat an undeafeted patriots team in the super bowl. long live the BCS!!!!!!!
Sun Devil Dave
November 19th, 2011
8:24 pm
If Georgia plays in the Championship game like they did today against Kentucky, look for UGA to indeed announce the canceling of football – hehehehe – Beat KY by the hair of their chinney chin chin -
RT NATION
November 19th, 2011
11:18 pm
How I remember the black out game in Georgia and the five loud drunk obnoxious fans that sat across the bar screaming pre-game about how Alabama was about Togo down??? Georgia sucks they look week! Ok st. Sucks they look week! The tide out played LSU and I am sure a chill ran down every tigers back in the SEC (UA & LSU) when the cyclones went off Friday nite. It’s not the fault of the sec west that they have the 2 best teams in the nation in their little part of the world. It’s the BCS NCG between 1&2 sorry no dawgs allowed! Roll Tide!
Kelly
November 20th, 2011
12:28 am
It’s a fallacious comparison. A two-loss Georgia didn’t deserve to be in the NC game OVER the Conference Champ. No one would be arguing that should LSU win the SEC title, that either Arkansas or Alabama should be in the NC Game OVER LSU.
Also, Alabama beat Arkansas, LSU beat Alabama and if Arkansas beats LSU they would have done a round robin kind of thing. Of course you also didn’t consider the possibility that if Arkansas beats LSU then they’d leapfrog both Alabama in the rankings.
Crimson Crush
November 20th, 2011
6:11 am
Kelly
November 20th, 2011
12:28 am
Of course you also didn’t consider the possibility that if Arkansas beats LSU then they’d leapfrog both Alabama in the rankings.
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It wasn’t considered because it won’t happen . Period
But just to play your what if to it’s silly but dead end conclusion … IF Arkansas beats LSU … then LEAPFROGS Bama in the BCS ranking … they can’t go ANY higher than number 1 in the poll . Which STILL puts them within 5 poll spots of Bama …. which means Bama still goes to Atlanta … and still goes to the NC game for a rematch … this time against Arkansas instead of LSU … see how that works ?
Vandy 73
November 20th, 2011
5:17 pm
Guys, now that the dust has settled from the weekend let’s establish a few things. I guess LSU and Bama didn’t look to bad last weekend after the Game of the Century. Just ask Stanford last week and Oregon and Ok state this weekend. Oklahoma lost to a ranked team.
Unless Bama loses to Auburn, very unlikely, and LSU gets drilled by Ark we will have a rematch of the GOTC. If Ark does win impressively than anyway you look at it we end up with a rematch, either Ark-Bama or Ark-LSU.
I’m not even considering the Dawgs, when you only beat a pathetic UK team when you have a chance to clinch the SEC east, 19-12, and you have a running game, they have 2 chances against the West, slim and none, and even for you SAT challenged Dawg fans I think you understand those odds. Let’s see, those 3 West teams have played each other and a very good Miss ST team. Sorry but the East doesn’t begin to match up so should be a 17 plus point win for the West.
Then the West winner vs. #2 in the West . Let’s just enjoy the dominance the SEC has and realize how far the rest of the country has to go to catch us. Hey, I’m a Vandy grad and fan living in Big 10 country and after 5 in a row some of them still don’t get it.
Roll Tide. My daughter is a frosh down there.
KG
November 20th, 2011
5:50 pm
Bradley is incorrect about the 2008 Big XII situation: the reason OU went to the conference championship was because of the three-way tie with Texas AND Texas Tech, all at 11-1 and having beaten each other. The Big XII does respect head-to-head above all else if only two teams are tied.
Vandy 73
November 20th, 2011
8:49 pm
Now that this crazy weekend is over let’s look at the certainties. First, guess how LSU and Bama played last weekend after the Game of the Century, wasn’t so bad. Just ask Oregon and Ok State on games after big ones. I knew Stanford would lose to Oregon but was surprised that Oklahoma lost to Baylor, who at least was ranked. Now that we’ve established that the SEC is markedly ahead of the rest of the country we can move on. Also, for you Dawg fans who are SAT challenged, loses to S Carolina and Boise were bad and only beating a pathetic UK team 19-10, leaves me wondering how you think you have a chance vs the west. You have no running game and haven’t played the teams in the west so have no idea of the defensive excellence you will face. Let’s face it Dawgs, a trip to the Gator Bowl may be it.
Let’s face it, SEC competition, especially the West prepares you for battles each week. The rest of the country has a long way to go to catch the SEC and the beat seems to go on as they consistently have the largest number of teams in the top 25 recruiting every year.
I’m a Vandy grad and fan living in Big 10 country and some of them are like Dawg fans, they just don’t seem to get it no matter how long they lose.
It looks like an SEC rematch no matter how you look at it. And Ark has little chance against LSU. If they only beat Vandy 31-28 in Nville, what happens at Death Valley.
N’oleans should be an all SEC town Jan. 9th. Let’s enjoy this run of dominance.
Roll Tide. Even tho I’m a Vandy fan have a freshman daughter in T town.
George Knapp
November 21st, 2011
9:04 am
I am an SEC fan and I live in Big 12 territory. You can’t imagine how much fun it has been for me to come to work for the past several years. Geaux Tigers, Roll Tide, and Sooey Pig.
And, let’s not forget Georgia, South Carolina, and Auburn.
Let’s go Bowling!