Believe it or not, there was a time when UGA owned Florida

Those were the days: Tim Worley against the No. 1 Gators in 1985. (Photo from www.dawgbone.net)

A Dawg day: Tim Worley scores against No. 1 Florida in 1985. (Photo from www.dawgbone.net)

This will come as scant consolation to Georgia fans, but Florida folks were once like you. The Gators would arrive in Jacksonville fearing the worst, and they’d get it.

Here’s how completely this rivalry has turned: Vince Dooley, the best coach in Georgia history, worked against four different Gators coaches over a quarter-century and had a winning record against each; Mark Richt, the second-best coach in Georgia history, has worked against three different Florida coaches over the past decade and has a losing record against each.

From 1964 through 1989, Georgia beat Florida 18 times (and tied once) in 26 meetings. In the 21 games since, Florida has won 18 times. The Bulldogs can’t even rent the game they used to own. The series flipped when Dooley retired as coach after the 1988 season and Steve Spurrier took the Gators in 1990, but even after Spurrier left for the NFL after the 2001 season nothing much has changed.

Which isn’t to say what we’ve witnessed is unfamiliar. On the contrary, the feeling of dread that has descended on Georgia was once expressed rather poignantly by eminent Gators. The year was 1984. Florida arrived in Jacksonville with maybe its best team ever — although Charley Pell, its coach, had stepped down after three games amid an NCAA investigation — but no real confidence that it could beat Georgia.

Because Florida would always lose to Georgia. Bulldogs backers recall Belue-to-Scott as the greatest play in the history of collegiate football; Gators fans remember that the Florida defender with the best angle fell as Lindsay Scott turned upfield. Other Gators lowlights: Bill Stanfill rising from a sick bed to sack Spurrier, who would win the Heisman; Richard Appleby, a Bulldogs receiver, throwing an 80-yard touchdown pass off an end-around; Florida coach Doug Dickey failing on a gamble that became known as “fourth-and-dumb”; Georgia driving 99 yards behind John Lastinger to the touchdown that beat Florida 10-9.

That excruciating drive came in 1983 and was fresh on the minds of Gators this correspondent interviewed in November ‘84. Said Spurrier, then coach of the USFL’s Tampa Bay Bandits: “Twelve or so times we’ve played Georgia with the SEC on the line, and they were either better or tougher or luckier than we’ve been. Probably Georgia just expects to win big games more than Florida does.”

Said Ray Graves, the Gators’ coach from 1960 through 1969: “After all the strange plays Georgia has pulled off, with guys falling down and guys knocking each other down, there’s always a feeling that a team can start believing in a jinx. You keep losing and losing, and you say, ‘Ah, we’ll get you next year,’ and then the other side says, ‘Yeah, that’s what your grandpa said, too.’ ”

A Georgia fan born in early 1990 has reached adulthood knowing only three Bulldogs victories over Florida: In 1997 under Jim Donnan, when Robert Edwards ran wild; in 2004 under Richt, when Florida coach Ron Zook had already been rendered a lame duck, and again in 2007, the year Richt’s players danced in the end zone after their first touchdown.

Of Richt’s eight losses to the Gators, half have come when he appeared to have the more talented team. A true oddity: Richt has taken Georgia to the SEC championship game three times, but beat Florida in none of those seasons.

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Speaking 27 years ago, the former Gator Cris Collinsworth said: “Something would always happen to us to make us turn around and say, ‘Wait a minute – is there really a jinx?’ ”

Today Georgia will play as a favorite, having won its past five games. Florida, by way of contrast, has lost three in a row. But similar dynamics prevailed last year: Georgia had won three straight and Florida had lost three straight, and the Gators won in overtime.

Recent history in this series has driven this correspondent into a default position: I’ll believe Georgia can beat Florida only after I see Georgia beat Florida. Which, believe it or not, was a different correspondent’s position regarding a different team back in 1984.

Said Hubert Mizell, then of the St. Petersburg Times: “I’ve seen so many weird things happen in that [Georgia] game that if Florida led by 28 points going into the fourth quarter, I’d call it 50-50.”

For the record, Florida beat Georgia 27-0 in 1984, breaking a six-game losing streak against the Bulldogs. Was Gators domination finally at hand? Nope. Florida entered the 1985 game ranked No. 1 in the nation for the first time in its history. It lost to Georgia 24-3.

By Mark Bradley

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NiceUniform

October 29th, 2011
11:11 am

The GAYtors? Really? How about we all stop using GAY as an insult. Or if you want to be a ignorant/homophobic fan, just don’t post online.

mark

October 29th, 2011
11:57 am

it all comes down to coaching folks,when we had the better coach we won most of the time.over the last 20 yrs we haven’t had the coach. I hope they have already decided to replace Richt regardless of the outcome of this game.I predict another poorly coached game but on both sides this time

Larry

October 29th, 2011
12:14 pm

NiceUniform,

I’m neither ignorant or homophobic, but I do find one man’s affinity for another man’s stink hole rather odd…so the name’s perfect for those goofy gay-tors!

Go you straight, hairy dawgs!

whats a three point shot worth ?

October 29th, 2011
12:24 pm

Believe it or not, there was a time when folks rode around in buggy’s pulled by horses and mules

He Hate Gator

October 29th, 2011
12:27 pm

Hope I see a Dawgs win for a change, if not this year, doubt I’ll see it in my lifetime then…

Arx Ferrum

October 29th, 2011
12:56 pm

I remember those days when UGA owned the lizards… and I remember how it slowly became 50/50, alternating nearly every year. Then I recall how Spurrier came and built UF into a monster organization that rewrote the NCAA playbook and the SEC rulebook.

Fortunately, that blight upon the game is in a semi-contained state in SC now… and hopefully, the Dawgs will cage it again next year.

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bill

October 29th, 2011
1:29 pm

Just win, Dawgs, and Richt can remain head coach for another five years…I won’t like it, but I’ll accept it and keep my mouth shut.

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RedandBlackDawg

October 30th, 2011
9:30 am

Defense wins games. It was very true last night.
Florida’s second half offensive production. 1 first down and 32 total yards. I’ll take UGA’s sometimes over enthusiastic DC over anybodies right now.
By the way, I charted every one of Georgia 89 offensive plays last night and the ratio of runs to passes was about 60/40 in favor of the pass. I don’t think UGA’s problems have been the pass. I believe UGA’s problems have been conservative play calling and game plan. If UGA opens it up, they seem to do OK, even with as young a team as they have. Play 4 quarters like they did last night and they can cause teams problems. I am left to wonder how much better and more we would have scored, had our young WR, Mitchell, been in the game. Still, the other receivers filled in very well.
I also do not recall too many times when UGA recorded six sacks with four of them coming from one linebacker. J.J. is the real deal. UGA won the coaching battle, defensive battle, offensive battle and lost the special teams battle by a lot. Fix that area or at least improve on it, and UGA can give any team, a tussle. It was UGA’s time last night and they made the best of it. There is no way to know, if the curse is broken yet or not, but I have to think with these youngsters learning and playing better each week, Jacksonville, for the next few years will not be business as usual for the Gators.

GO DAWGS and GATA