Update: After 13 innings, the Braves’ epic failure is complete
Brian McCann can't bear to watch. Can't blame him. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)
They’d been portrayed, not without cause, as choking dogs. They finished September having won two of nine series and having watched, numbly if not nimbly, an 8 1/2-game lead go poof. But even a choking dog can have his day, or night, and the 2011 Braves tried to give themselves one Wednesday.
They failed. They failed in the way this entire month had been a failure. They took an 8 1/2-game lead and threw it all away, and by the time they got done losing Game No. 162 they had made us suffer through all the failures that comprised this failed month.
They led 3-1 after three innings and 3-2 after eight, but Game No. 162, like the season itself, lapped into overtime. They hit early, then stopped hitting. They saw a key run thrown out at the plate. In sum, they suffered the kind of wobble that had gotten them into this mess in the first place.
Before Game No. 162, Chipper Jones had noted that the populace seemed ready to box these Braves’ ears. (Or words to that effect.) Attempting a tiny joke, someone suggested such civic outrage only went to show that Atlanta cares. Said Jones: “We care, too. We care more than anybody else.”
Fredi Gonzalez, lately portrayed as a do-nothing manager, cared enough to do something after Tuesday’s ugly loss. He sat his men down and told them he wouldn’t pick any other bunch over this to go out and win a game. Then, being practical, Gonzalez advised his charges to get some sleep and come back ready to play. “It wasn’t Knute Rockne,” he said Wednesday. But then, brightly: “Maybe 50 years from now it will be in a book of great speeches.”
It might not have been Henry V at Agincourt, but it — or something — did the trick. The Braves were loose and supple from the start of Game No. 162, which isn’t easy to do when your constituency stands ready to break out the rotten tomatoes. They had leadoff hits in each of the first five innings. They fell behind in the top of the first but answered in the bottom, and Dan Uggla’s crushed homer off Cole Hamels’ 0-2 fastball untied matters in the third.
And not a moment too soon. Uggla’s ball landed in the bleachers about the time the Cardinals were about to begin their game against 105-loss Houston, and sure enough St. Louis put up a huge early number. (Five first-inning runs on seven first-inning hits against Brett Myers, who like Chipper is an alum of Jacksonville’s Bolles School. Chipper had been hoping for “Bolles mojo.” No go.)
This became the game these Braves had played from April through the August: Tim Hudson gave them 6 1/3 innings textbook innings, and then the once-bulletproof bullpen took the baton. Eric O’Flaherty needed two pitches to induce Shane Victorino to hit into a double play to end the seventh. Jonny Venters walked/plunked the bases loaded in the eighth but struck out Raul Ibanez on three pitches.
Then it was the ninth and the kid closer entered to do as he’d done all season. Instead Craig Kimbrel, who’d blown two saves this month, blew another by slinging the ball around like a bad point guard. He yielded a leadoff single to Placido Polanco, walked the bases loaded, saw Chase Utley drive home the tying run with a fly ball and walked Hunter Pence to boot. The bulletproof bullpen had been hit.
Kimbrel was pulled for Kris Medlen, who in his second appearance in 14 months held the tie and got the Braves through the 10th. The Braves had a chance to win in the bottom of the inning, but Michael Martinez hauled in Chipper’s drive with Michael Bourn aboard. And neither Brooks Conrad, who struck out, nor Martin Prado, who tapped out, could drive home Jason Heyward in the 12th.
To the 13th. Scott Linebrink entered. Ahead 0-2 on Brian Schneider, Linebrink walked him. Chase Utley moved Schneider to third with a two-out single, and Pence brought him home with a broken-bat grounder in the second-base hole. (”Couldn’t have thrown it out there any better,” Gonzalez said.) Down a run, the Braves were three outs from elimination.
Jones led off against David Herndon and struck out. (The Braves’ at-bats from the ninth on had been little except hero swings, to unheroic avail.) Then Uggla induced a walk. But Freddie Freeman rapped into a 3-6-3 double play, and the season was done. There would be no trip to St. Louis, no 163rd game.
There will, alas, be only an aftertaste that will linger long. The 2011 Cardinals became the second team ever to trail by 8 1/2 games in September and reach the postseason. The 1964 Cardinals, beneficiaries of the infamous Philly Phold, were the first, and that’s the miserable company these Braves will keep.
Dan Uggla gives the Braves the lead. (AJC photo by Hyosub Shin)
They won their 81st game on Sept. 1. They never got to 90. They led by three games with five to play and never won again. They lost their 162nd game to a team that had no real reason to care about winning. They had the lead and the best rookie closer ever on the mound, and they lost. If you want to say they choked, nobody will argue.
The kid closer all but volunteered the cursed C-word. “You have to bottle up emotions and harness them,” Kimbrel said. “I didn’t do that today. September’s the hardest month of the year, and I let my emotions get to me. Things just started to move too fast, and I couldn’t put it together.”
Kimbrel was overthrowing. The hitters were overswinging. “We’ve been swinging really hard for a while,” Jones said. “When a guy’s living two or three inches off the outside corner, that’s not a ball you’re going to hit out of the ballpark.”
To return to Chipper’s assertion of eight hours earlier, these Braves absolutely tried their hardest. They actually tried too hard. But part, maybe even most, of being a champion is the capacity to perform under pressure, and these Braves buckled. There was, contrary to popular belief, no great mismanagement in this game: Fredi G.’s team was in position to win the exact same way it had all summer, except that summer ended and September arrived and the winning ceased.
“It just got a little wild,” Chipper said, speaking of Game No. 162 but actually the whole lost month. When the Cardinals began to close, the Braves were never the same. Even without Jair Jurrjens and Tommy Hanson, this team should have had enough to play into October. It won’t. It won’t because it choked. End of story.
By Mark Bradley
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Bulls Pride
September 29th, 2011
9:41 am
We ATL sports fans need to just face the facts. We have the worst pro franchises in sports history. We rarely, if ever take the top prize. They are constant sources of disappointment and we’ve all become too easily a “wait until next year” fan base. It’s a combination of a lot of factors, but we need to all relax and just realize that we can’t get it done, won’t get it done and accept our franchises for what they are, and that’s just a bunch of very average teams, yesterday, now and tomorrow.
Leo Mazzone
September 29th, 2011
9:41 am
Everything’s fine! Everything’s fine! I know more about baseball than you.
Why does everyone hate listening to me? I think I’m awesome.
Bama Mike
September 29th, 2011
9:42 am
The Braves have lost their dynamics which carried them during the 90’s and into 2000. I hold Frank Wren and Terry McGurk ( Cant believe this guy gets paid ) This dishonorable manner in which Wren handled Smoltz and Glavine was shameful. This season was a failure and for Fredi to go on the air and say it was a good season is insulting to us loyal long term fans.
Dave
September 29th, 2011
9:42 am
Did the Braves collapse/choke? Absolutely.
However, I truly believe this team played about as well as they could. They lost 40% of their starting rotation and simply could not overcome that loss. Unlike last year, Derek Lowe could not come through in September.
Additionally, the simple fact is that the Braves, never an outstanding hitting team to begin with, stopped hitting in September. They tried to win games with home runs.
What to do??
1) Get another hitter, either a left fielder (Prado is the third baseman of the future, because Chipper will be a part-time player next year) or shortstop (I love Gonzo, but he IS getting old). The ideal would be to sign Jose Reyes, but I doubt the Braves have that kind of money.
2) Get rid of Derek Lowe. A trade is preferred so you get SOMETHING in return, but if no one is willing to take him and that $14M contract, bring him back and make him EARN his starting position next year. If he does not, cut him loose and eat the $14M contract. The Braves have too many good, young, live arms to carry Lowe if he cannot cut it.
3) Start a regular catching platoon with David Ross. Anyone who watched Brian McCann these past few years can see that he wears down in August and September from catching every day. Make Ross Tim Hudson’s personal catcher, and give Ross the extra start on day games after night games to save McCann’s body. Do that and McCann may hit .300 next year and drive in 100 RBIs.
4) Put more emphasis on running and small ball. I believe the Braves are already implementing this plan with the acquisition of Michael Bourn, but everyone in the lineup needs to embrace situational hitting and bunting, even the sluggers like McCann, Uggla and Heywood.
5) Ask Chipper Jones to take Jason Heyward under his wing as a mentor and as a personal hitting coach. Heyward had the sweetest swing and a great eye at the plate in his rookie year, but he got away from that. He needs to recapture that swing and eye, or he may become another Jeff Franceour.
6) Freddie Gonzalez MUST learn how to better use the bullpen he has, The meltdown of the bullpen was a direct result of overuse of the big three (O’Flaherty, Venters, Kimbrel) from April to August, so much so that they had nothing left in September. However, with Medlen, Viscaino and the other good, young arms that will come back next year, he should have the tools to better spread the load so that O’Ventril will only have 60-65 appearances come Spetember 30th, instead of the 80+ they had this year.
Finally, on a strategic scale, the Braves as an organization need to push MLB to adopt a balance playing schedule, because one of the reasons the Cardinals caught the Braves was the fact that they had a MUCH EASIER divisional schedule to play. The Cardinals feasted all year while playing the weak teams of the NL Central (Astros, Cubs, Pirates and Reds). The only REAL quality opponent in the Central was the Brewers. The situation in the NL West is similar, with the Dodgers, Padres and Rockies.
Conversely, the competition in National Leage East is absolutely brutal, and next year will be even worse, because the Nationals are stockpiling talent, and the Marlins have a good young team with excellent pitching and new ball park to boot. Only the Mets can be considered sub-par, but that will only last as long as the Wilpons have money problems. Once they get financially healthy, the Mets will rebound if by no other means than by buying their way back to the top.
These are not great revelations. Back in August, Jim Powell, the Braves announcer, predicted that a Central Division team could ride that weak schedule and catch the Barves, and that is exactly what happened. A balanced schedule, while not perfect, will level the playing field across the National League and NOT allow the Central Division premier teams have a walk by playing 45 games against the worst teams in the leage.
One last note: Had the Braves won last night, and then somehow won tonight, they would NOT have gone deep into the playoffs. Venters and, to a lesser extent, Kimbrel, were burned out and could not have shut down either the Brewer or the Phillies on a consistent basis
Kenny Powers
September 29th, 2011
9:42 am
It sux when a team can cause you physical pain. I had a headache from the 6th inning on as if I knew something bad was gonna happen. When Wilson kicked the sure double play ball is when I realized we were in trouble. Jonny and Kimbrel haven’t been lights out like they were pre-September (then again, who was?). The 9th inning and beyond were absolutely excruciating. There are no excuses for a team to completely collapse like this.
How embarrassing…
Jason Heyward's Gynecologist
September 29th, 2011
9:42 am
Joe Maddon or Kirk Gibson would not tolerate a lollygagger like my patient on their team.
I cannot blame them.
Ready when you are CB
September 29th, 2011
9:44 am
Hardly any of the Braves run out ground balls, something I noticed the Phillies do (even their stars)on a regular basis. Anyone remember the base running by Alex Gonzalez in last year’s playoffs? They don’t give 100% all the time; they are not focused; they don’t have a manager who can manage a game. Look for more of the same next year. How are those season tickets for next year working for you? I predict a last place finish in the East next year; all the other teams are on the rise, or at least Florida and Washington.
Ned Ryerson
September 29th, 2011
9:45 am
It’s time for Chipper to retire… or take a pay cut. We need the $14 million for someone who will be in the lineup everyday and contribute. Appreciate all he’s done for the franchise and his clubhouse presence, but we’ve got too much money tied up in people who contribute too little.
THE CURSE OF DAVID JUSTICE LIVES IN ATL
September 29th, 2011
9:45 am
CHIPPER JONES STATED THAT THE BRAVES WILL KNOCK THE PHILLIES OUTTA THE PLAYOFF,SIKE!
@___ISH___
September 29th, 2011
9:46 am
Bravo MB.. well said.
Kimbrel Blows Save
September 29th, 2011
9:46 am
Can you imagine what we would be writing if Fredi move to Medlin backfired?
the organization is flawed
September 29th, 2011
9:46 am
If Yunel Escobar was a team cancer, then Chipper Jones and Alex Gonzalez are at least very strong viruses.
megan
September 29th, 2011
9:46 am
I think the Braves and the Red Sox should play a best of five series just to see how long it would take since neither seems to know how to win!
bigcrimson75
September 29th, 2011
9:47 am
Bye Bye Freddi, otherwise next season is pointless. This collapse will carry on and on and on. forget about next season, this will last beyond then if Freddi is around. Nice guy, but the Braves cannot set a tone that this is acceptable. Fire this guy immediately. Today. Right Now !
Phillies Fan
September 29th, 2011
9:47 am
Ugly’s ugly but good times ahead for the Braves and their fanbase. While that fact does little for the nausea, you know it could be worse. Now’s a good time to remember the youth and talent in the Braves system. Enjoy football, the fall season, your friends and family. This too shall pass.
Rbrave
September 29th, 2011
9:47 am
Bradley is an idiot ! How many teams made it this far? Is it a complete failure to win as many games as we did with mostly rookies playing big roles? Is it a complete failure to step up in the face of injury to the pitching staff (losing Hanson, JJ, Moylan etc)and various other players ,McCann , Gonzleaz,Chipper (Chipper played hurt better than most players at 100%. Disappointing ,Yes, out of gas at the end, Yes, Complete failure No ! Second place in the Nl East is a good year,not what we set out to do but a good year. Biggest bust was Heyward in the field as well as offensively
CHAMP
September 29th, 2011
9:49 am
I got one thing to say. Men left on base in scoring position in Oct.& Sept.
BringBackDaleMurphy
September 29th, 2011
9:50 am
Did anybody notice that when Chipper talked to the team in the dugout before the game, Derrick Lowe didn’t appear very interested. He never really looked at Chipper then walked away before Chipper was finished.
2010 BCS CHAMPS
September 29th, 2011
9:50 am
Mark, please quit writing for the AJC. You’re a terrible writer.
MARK
September 29th, 2011
9:50 am
I THOUGHT BOURN WAS SAFE BUT BOUNCED UP AND OFF THE BASE WHILE BEING TAGGED,BUT HE SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN RUNNING AND THE MANAGER HAS TO GIVE THE NO STEAL SIGN TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING.FREDDI LOOKED LIKE HE’D SEEN A GOUST EXPRESSION THE LAST WEEK OR SO…LOST
Carolyn McCullough
September 29th, 2011
9:50 am
This team will never improve until Chipper Jones is gone for good. He’s a myth.
arsonval
September 29th, 2011
9:51 am
Now maybe all you Braves fans will stop tormenting Mets fans for the collapse of 07. The Braves was worse but it gives me great joy to see 2 teams collapse like the Braves and Red Sox did this September.
Javon
September 29th, 2011
9:51 am
to improve attendince, the braves need more African-American players—a lot of the fans here don’t want to see all these white players every game
bravo man
September 29th, 2011
9:51 am
Let’s face it, we need a shortstop, and 2 outfielders (and probably a third baseman). This is not a complete team. They are good, but not complete. Philly and Yanks are complete (I just puked in my mouth a little). Our pitchers wore down, remember how young most of them are (or how old in Lowe’s case). But lack of scoring is gonna be the death of this team every year. Heyward needs to return to form. Left field needs to produce more (how about a real every day player there). McCann needs to figure out whatever it is he needs to figure out. Chip needs to get to more balls. Too many got by him this year.
John B
September 29th, 2011
9:52 am
I just hope that Chipper Jones stays for next year, because the Braves will be very young and very good next year. They will need his leadership.
Bulls Pride
September 29th, 2011
9:52 am
Bobby Cox got paid millions and millions, and an incredible million dollar send off into retirement. For what? Mediocrity? It’s like my job or your job. You sell 1 big order a day and thinks that’s great until you lose your job to someone who steps up and sells 3 big orders a day. Your 1 big order just isn’t worth keeping you around in the real world, but good enough to keep Braves, Falcons, Hawks etc management. Sports franchise’s are just not real world.
WreckingBall
September 29th, 2011
9:53 am
G: in all honesty, most people expected the Braves to fall. Hey look, Bobby Cox didnt do much better when he was coaching them. Bobby managed the Braves to 6 world series and won 1, when he should have won at least 4 of them. FREDI GONZALES is the guy who should be blamed for last night’s loss. FREDI brought in relief pitchers who were WILD AND COULDNT FIND THE STRIKE ZONE. Had the relief pitchers thrown strikes there would have been a one-game playoff tonight at 8 against the Cardinals. That is what should have happened. Gonzales should get fired and Chipper Jones should be named PLAYER/MANAGER for next season. Simple solution.
Bring back bobby!
September 29th, 2011
9:54 am
bobby cox needs to come back and manage next year to take the braves to the playoffs—he will need chipper’s leadership to help him straighten out the team!
AR
September 29th, 2011
9:54 am
Not only do they need to fire Freddi but the hitting coach as well. They all watch perfect pitches right down main street and strike at all the ones in the dirt. Also, they have all gotten home run happy. One home run every 4 or 5 games doesn’t get it and it never comes when they need it (with men on base).
Rush
September 29th, 2011
9:54 am
I am soooooo mad that i can’t say anything without losing my cool. The Braves have always been cold in September. I knew that no lead was safe, but i didn’t believe that we would blow an 8.5 advantage. It’s just too big of a lead. Well, we did. And we did because there is no leaders in that team. We don’t have a guy who stand up in the club house and say “By god, we are going to win this one even if i have to leave an eye on the field.” The last leader, seriously and strong leader, was David Justice and guess that we won with him. And Freddy Gonzalez must be fired for this.
CHAMP
September 29th, 2011
9:55 am
Correction, AUG. & SEPT.
THE CURSE OF DAVID JUSTICE LIVES IN ATL
September 29th, 2011
9:55 am
JASON HEYWARD,YOU BETTER BE LIKE DAVID JUSTICE AND LEAVE THIS REDNECK TOWN,JUST READ WHAT THE HICKS ARE SAYING ABOUT YOU!
mca
September 29th, 2011
9:56 am
Fredi Gonzalez is a joke, best arm in the bull pen faces one hitter then pulls him for venters who is not even close to his A-game, lets Kimbrel load the bases before sensing any urgency. It should be evident when you set back and take notice that Linebrink is pitching to Chase Utley in the 13th inning that someone should be managing this team not cheerleading. Leave the fans in the stands and at home and get someone to use the players we have to win games. CHOKE, CHOKE, CHOKE
fulldawg
September 29th, 2011
9:59 am
I miss Bobby!
THE CURSE OF DAVID JUSTICE LIVES IN ATL
September 29th, 2011
10:00 am
THANK GOD THE BRAVES DIDNT WIN!
DawgDad
September 29th, 2011
10:00 am
Very, very disappointing end to a season, but very fitting in the way it played out. 9-18 in September is just awful. The days of competing with this core of veterans are over, too many worn out bodies and too many free swingers in the group.
Rybrave
September 29th, 2011
10:00 am
It hurts a little but one playoff win in six years while almost every other team in majors(Less crappy teams)have won one…this is getting like the 14 staight D titles, you just kinda expect them to fall apart and not make playoffs. Shouldnt have made it in last year, they fell apart but luckly the Padres fell more apart.
Joseph F. McNulty
September 29th, 2011
10:00 am
Is anyone surprised? How important was this game to the Phillies? So important that, during the extra innings, the Phillies used pitchers who were NOT even on the roster and who had spent the entire year in the minors until September call-ups. Did the Braves take advantage of this? Of course not. They continued to swing a pitches that were balls and that were so far off the plate that they could not have been hit with a broom. Why did Fredi not have Michael Bourn running when the rookie pitcher, apparently suffering an attack of nerves, having thrown a ball in the dirt to first, was subject to being rattled. Instead, Bourn was kept at first base while three batters futilely swung at pitches. So much for the distuptive effect of Michael Bourn’s speed. Once Kimbrel — who obviously is not the dominant pitcher he was in July — gave up the lead in the ninth inning, one could count on the Phillies, even without Ryan Howard, who was hit by a pitch and taken out as a precaution, scoring, while the Braves continued their hitting drought. It was like a slow-motion car wreck, and they worst thing is that you had the feeling the you had seen it all before.
Some questions for the Braves. Is Scott Linebrink a bad relief pitcher or just “snake bit”? Somehow, when Linebrink came in (was Fredi’s pitching cupboard really that bare?), you had to think the end was near. What has happened to Jason Heyward? It almost appears that opposing pitchers have discoverd some whole in his swing. What has happened to Martin Prado, who seemed impossible to get out last year until he was hurt, and has never been the same since then? Is Chipper Jones really held together with bailing wire and duct tape? He is the closest thing the Braves have to a power hitter (at least since the collapse of Brian McCann), but he seems to pull a muscle every time he twitches. Is Brian McCann still having trouble with his eyes? Based on his hitting — or lack thereof — he is. Finally, is Fredi’s “sang froid” (his Bobby Cox impression) helping — he had a closed door locker room meeting to tell the team, after a crucial loss (one of many) that he could not think of a group he would rather be with to face a big game. His attitude may work with a soccer team of 11 year olds, but is this the way you motivate grown professionals? The Braves collapse is hard to believe, except they did something like this last year (but they still made the playoffs on the last day). Embarassing to all involved.
Bobby
September 29th, 2011
10:01 am
Don’t let this kill optimism. They did all of this with a rookie first baseman, a rookie closer, 2nd year right fielder, Uggla had the worst avg of his career, Chipper wasn’t Chipper, Jurgens and Hanson missed a lot of time, Delgado, Viscaino are young…..better days ahead…the future is BRIGHT for the home team. This is a great learning moment for the baby Braves!! Watch out next season, especially is Lowe is not here!!!!
Rybrave
September 29th, 2011
10:02 am
Mac had to be hurt, he just disapeared, seemed like he was in pain block balls, swinging and throwing. Need to find someway to get him from behind plate, its to rough on him. Its the same thing with Joe Mauer.
Bob Horner's Blonde Mullet
September 29th, 2011
10:03 am
Jason Hewyard sucks.
Martin Prado sucks.
Alex Gonzalez sucks.
Jack Wilson sucks.
Derek Lowe sucks.
Scott Linebrink sucks.
Freddy Gonzalez sucks.
Larry Parrish sucks.
Please gut this team of chokers and learn how to manage. Martin Prado can’t hit in the 2 hole, yet Freddy continued hitting him there. Remember how well Chipper did in the 2 hole? Jason Heyward can’t hit or play defense, yet inexplicably completely took over Constanza’s playing time. Hinske never got at bats. Conrad never got at bats. Constanza never got at bats. Rookie pitchers were pulled after 5 innings regardless of how well they were pitching. Gee whiz, why did we faceplant in September? So sick of this sorry team, and sick of being a fan of Atlanta sports.
DC
September 29th, 2011
10:04 am
You can’t call someone in their second season a bust…give Heyward some time..but there was no reason for him to be playing over Constanza this year!
names
September 29th, 2011
10:05 am
will the braves come up with funny, cool nicknames for all the players next year too? Good!!!
reckingball
September 29th, 2011
10:05 am
Just wait until next year. The Braves will show them then.
the truth...
September 29th, 2011
10:05 am
Hey Javon….
Kiss off Dude….color has no place here. Some white redneck (and other non racist fans as well) could say Heyward was the problem from Day 1…..
Over hyped too soon….not ready for prime time….
You wouldn’t like that would you?
Petro1989
September 29th, 2011
10:05 am
Atlanta fans didn’t deserve to have the Barves make the playoffs. Yeah, I feel bad for that crying kid but you guys couldn’t even sell that staidum out or come close to it. Said it before, will say it again. Atlanta is a lousy pro sports town. They care more about the “Lady Dawgs” Volley ball team than the pro teams. Having fun watching the Jet’s this year……
I got gout
September 29th, 2011
10:06 am
We have too many problems(except pitching…maybe).No owner that knows baseball(or cares),therefore, no one to to boot Shuerholtz,McGuirk. Frank Wren is a REACTOR only thinks either too big(KK and Lowe) or too small( ONLY ADDING UGGLA for 2012 and then …..MATT DIAZ? are u f**kin serious?)
And WHOEVER is in charge of finding prospective HITTERS needs to be FIRED
The philosophy of this team starts at the decision making process at the TOP.
These men running this team are LAID BACK,CUSHY,ALREADY GOT PAID, AND ARE SAFE in the suburbs. THEY ARE NO LONGER HUNGRY.
Same as the team.
Tom
September 29th, 2011
10:07 am
The fold was painful, but I put the blame on the lame first half. We didn’t lose the Wild Card on Wednesday. We lost it early in the season when we sent game after game with no clutch hitting and inconsistent pitching. Had a few of those games gone our way, we would have been relaxed and lining up some powerful starters for the post season.
Rocboy
September 29th, 2011
10:07 am
The Braves are a baseball version of the Make-a-Wish foundation. Year after year, they help other teams’ baseball dreams come true.
Matt
September 29th, 2011
10:08 am
Javon is an idiot.