Vulnerable, huh? The ACC crowns itself king of college hoops

first!

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almost first

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I suppose it does, for now, make the ACC the best in hoops. It must be noted, however, that the coaches of Duke, UNC, and Syracuse, hall of famers all, will not be head coaches much longer. All are in their 60’s. Those are mighty big shoes to fill. SEC has younger coaches in Donovan and Calipari at the top of their game, plus some up-and-comers.

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Preemptive strike. ACC rules!

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If the Big East and Big 12 leftovers get together (which is likely), the resulting conference would have Kansas, UConn, Notre Dame, Louisville, Cincinnati, Georgetown, Marquette, Kansas State, Villanova, and St John’s.
I’d say *that* conference would be college hoops king.

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I say good riddance to the Big East – at least where football is concerned. Last year’s Fiesta Bowl was hardly a decent matchup with a good Oklahoma team easily beating an far inferior Conn. team by 4 touchdowns ( the game wasn’t even that close). I can only assume politics allowed the Big East an automatic BCS bowl game. The Mountain West plays better football than the Big East.

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Forgot to mention miami crushing osu too

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@Fred,

You’re assuming that the ACC is done. Don’t be surprised to see UConn, Rutgers, Villanova or West Virginia bolt for the ACC. Without UConn though, that list becomes a lot less frightening.

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NC > Kansas–roy left remember
Duke > Uconn
maryland and cuse > than nova louisville gtown by virtue of winning a nat champ.
and pitt is greater than the rest left.
now we will really dominate the acc big 10 challenge.

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Note to Syracuse and Pitt: there are North Carolina and Duke and then the rest. You will be learning that soon enough. It’s been that way for a long time.

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Orme
Those coaches will leave the sec and go fill any acc voids when they open.

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My first calls are to Penn State and Notre Dame and see if they now have any interest in joining the ACC since the east coast is locked up. Bringing in those two schools brings in larger alumni bases and football credibility, although both have been somewhat down lately, and then when the ACC renegotiates their contracts with ESPN, they’ll easily be able to pull in the same type revenues the BIG and SEC have been commanding because the ACC will have some of the top TV markets in the country covered along with then huge fan base.

If you can’t get these two schools, leave Texas to the PAC 12 and lock up the east coast with UCONN and Rutgers, locking down the NY market. Their football programs will get better by necessity or compete with Duke and Virginia.

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MB:

FIRE MARK RICHT!!! IT’S TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE

FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ!!! HE’S ANOTHER LOSER, LIKE HIS WADDLING PREDECESSOR!!! IT’S TIME TO CLEAN HOUSE THERE ALSO AFTER THE 2011 CHOKE IS COMPLETE!!!

HT

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Please John Swofford, take West Virginia so we won’t have to.

Signed,
Mike Slive.

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Want to take a guess a who the existing SEC members of the AAU .One of them should be easy.Has to be Vanderbilt,I think the other one is Florida.

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And I like men!

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If the second goal of the 4 Superconferences is to put the 4 conference champions into a 2 game playoff and crown a winner, then this whole thing makes sence and the ACC will get the opportunity to prove itself on the field; or not.

My bet is they are going to line up a playoff though. It will have 4 SEC teams, 2 Pac 12 and 1 each from the B1012 and ACC. 4 conference champs and 4 voted in by popularity, not by record against the same opponents.

Where is this all really heading?

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UConn is a great fit, Louisville is not due to academics. Maybe they will fill in the remaining hole in the map with Rutgers, which is an AAU member and across the river in Newark from Madison Square Garden. Coach K. and Roy Williams are ecstatic about these additions and a looking forward to the next 2, as written in the NY Times. After the current ACC Tournament contract expires, they are talking about Madison Square Garden as a rotating site.

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@Dawg ‘85: “…but lacrosse will be the third largest college sport within the next generation.” Let’s not have LAX leap college baseball just yet.

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The other side is the Big 12 might cannibalize the remaining Big East football teams (TCU, Louisville, and South Florida). Then they could add Houston, SMU, BYU, and Boise St. to make a pretty solid new Big 12.

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Geoff Dawg – Georgia Tech was invited to join as the 61st member once its endowment reached $1 billion in 1968. Emory, another AAU member has an endowment of approximately $5 billion (it has slipped a bit in value, as all schools’ have due to the financial problems in the world.

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@T3, that’s an interesting possibility. PSU and Notre Dame to the ACC? I guess that would mean the Big East might still have a chance at staying together. I left out Cincinnati in my other ramblings about the Big East. So then does the Big 10 go after Missouri to replace PSU?

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GeofDawg, GAWJA is a second tier University that couldn’t sniff getting accepted into the AAU.

From the AAU Website. Membership in AAU is by invitation and is based on the high quality of programs of academic research and scholarship and undergraduate, graduate, and professional education in a number of fields, as well as general recognition that a university is outstanding by reason of the excellence of its research and education programs.”

Unfortunately for Gawja, “Excellence in Partying 101″ is not listed as a requirment for admittance.

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Pitt and Cuse are great additions. The ACC needs to re-shuffle the divisions to create a North and a South division. This will breed great geographical rivalries.

North: Pitt, Cuse, Maryland, BC, VT, Virginia, Duke
South: GT, Clemson, FSU, Miami, NC State, NC, Wake

Make the Football Championship a home game in alternate years for each division.
If 2 more teams are added, go for West Virginia and Central Florida (anyone who believes the academic “fits” matter are crazy) Having West Virginia is all it would take to legitimize the North division in football. I’m glad the ACC took action.

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Wont shock me if ND and Penn State Jump to the ACC.

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Chris “academic fits” DO matter & your a moron for thinking otherwise.

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Any thoughts as to what the new alignment may be without adding in UConn & Rutgers in the mix yet?

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From all these posts, have we officially given up on football? All these new, shiny additions do is help with bball, in which we already had an extremely strong foothold. And anyone talking Texas to the Pac-12 wasn’t paying attentions – Texas specifically wanted to come to the ACC over PAC-12 because of the time zone differences. Texas had been in talks with the ACC on how to integrate the LHN, until the ACC unexplicably cut off negotiations to pick up two “quality” schools in Pitt and SU. We had a chance to pick up a Bentley, and instead purchased a Hyundai and Kia.

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Given up on football?

Not me!

Especially with Georgia Tech rolling up 768 yards of offense and 604 rushing yards on 50 attempts last Saturday.

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We could add Texas & Notre Dame.

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The SEC wanted many many of the ACC schools. They talked about Clemson, FSU, GA Tech, Virginia, Maryland, etc. However, the pitiful SEC fans and media will likely say the same things said when a recruit turns them down – “well, we really didn’t want them anyway.”

None of the ACC schools ever wanted to leave. This is why they voted 100% to raise the exit fee. If a school was thinking of leaving, why would they vote to raise this????

Do not discount the ACC in football. Heck, this year the conference is already making noise. The Atlanta area (to include the ajc) gives no respect to the ACC football, and that is just wrong.

The question now is, who will the 15th and 16th ACC team be to make the superconference?

LOL – maybe the ACC will go after some SEC teams? Let’s have the ajc do an article on that!

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We still need a 15th and 16th member. Texas and Notre Dame sound good to me…. if they can give up their own TV contracts.

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Reality, schools with eyes on leaving could very well vote with the majority because they don’t want to tip their hand and a dissenting vote wouldn’t make any difference in the outcome. The common word for this is “strategy”.

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A poll of 100,000 Notre Dame alumni recently indicated that AAU membership would more important than their identity at the premier catholic university.

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The ACC rules—best in the US in basketball and close to the SEC in football with all this new talent. The revenues will be through the roof for all the ACC schools!!!! slive got punked by the ACC!

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TexGT -

It’s kind of obvious why you wanted the ACC to add TX, and, yes, it would’ve been a good move in a lot of ways. Either conference will require a massive amount of traveling for Texas (although the PAC won’t require as much if it takes the other 3 Big 12 schools, and I’m sure some ACC schools weren’t thrilled with the idea of traveling to Texas. And, quite frankly, there’s no guarantee Texas wouldn’t turn the ACC into what it’s turned the Big 12.

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Quote from a Penn State site: “The Chicago Sun-Times speculates that Notre Dame may join the Big Ten while Fox Sports South hopes that Penn State will jump to the new ACC.”

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Dooker, why don’t you ask Butch Davis about the current state of UNC football?

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I’ll be honest – I never even thought about the possibility of Penn State and Notre Dame joining the ACC…..very VERY interesting possibility.

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Geoff – “Thanks Delbert. a billion in 1968 would probably give you a bigger slush fund than NASA.”

Right; Obama wouldn’t have had to cancel that moon-and-Mars program.

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At 1.8 million per, he could put that money to better use by creating a whopping 556 new jobs! Economy saved!

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The ACC increased their buyout because they want to get something out of the deal when their three football schools eventually bolt to the SEC.

The SEC doesn’t need to invite them, because they aren’t going to stay in a basketball (and academic research) conference and settle for 10 or 12 million per year in television revenue when they can come to a conference that actually understands and appreciates elite football and enjoy over 20 million per year in revenue sharing. History has shown that premiere college football programs whither on the vine in the ACC. It’s just not a viable football conference. Never has been, and never will be.

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Gordon –

Haven’t you learned that MB and JS have to write the two differing viewpoints on stories like this? It’s a well-established pattern.

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GTJeff, it’s “you’re a moron”, not “your a moron”. And by the way, you’re a moron.

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Thanks for the backup DP!

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@ormewood

Why do you think that the ACC Presidents felt the need to increase the buyout?

Could it have anything to do with this? http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/seminoles/fsu-preparing-for-realignment-possibilities-such-as-moving-1855047.html

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Penn State has a large following in the Philly area.

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Louisville? Louisville? We’re talking Louisville? Doubtless one of those American universities you forgot to list. That’s embarrassing to the ACC.

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@IL Jacket

You’re right. Who needs sports, when you have AAU membership.

And here I thought that this was a sports blog. Guess I clicked the wrong link? Or perhaps all of this conference realignment brouhaha is really about suckling more research funds from the government teat? Some of you seem to think so.

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Yeah..right, you were the one with the point that football revenues were the be all and end all. I was simply making a counter, and more important, point. Is the Ivy League really just an athletic conference?

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ACC rules
September 19th, 2011
4:37 pm

“Clearly, the schools with higher academic standards will choose the ACC, while the football factories with no academic standards will gravitate to the SEC.”

Clearly. And that is why the SEC will always be superior to the ACC in the sport of football. Don’t worry though, your one & done basketball recruits will keep your academic standards up.

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I forgot to add that Notre Dame wants to preserve their long-standing rivalries with Michigan, USC and Army and Navy.

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@IL Jacket

Until you can grasp the fact that athletic conferences have no bearing on academics or AAU membership, then you will not understand what is happening with conference realignment.

Which AAU school will lose their AAU membership by joining a better football conference? Why will this happen? Why would the AAU even care about a research institutes’s athletics program?

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Yeah..Right -

Did you read the article you posted? It said FSU wanted to be prepared for any possibility, and the direct quote was “If you are going to four conferences of 16 teams we certainly want to be ready,” Haggard said. “If the ACC is included in that we want to be sure we are included and have a say so in regard to the teams that are coming into our conference.” Leave it to you to read that article as FSU is preparing to jump to the SEC.

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Yeah..right, well query me this. Why will Texas not join the SEC, since it has nothing to do with academics?

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ACC Rules – Georgia Tech is not a long-time member; I corrected my typo on that. The were invited in 2008. 1968 was the year I was supposed to have graduated from college, but didn’t. Went to war instead.

The University of Georgia has a good academic reputation. I don’t know what the specific strengths are. My uncle graduated with a degree in Ag Engineering, and I imagine that is still a significant field. They turn out a lot of pharmacists (my brother-in-law), MBAs (my brother) and lawyers. I will venture a guess that they are strong in biomed, as some of the athletes have been in that.

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Well, if Bobby Dodd says so, who am I argue otherwise? It’s not an agenda, simply a curiosity since there are clearly many very good, highly ranked schools out there playing sports which are not AAU members. It appears to be strongly tied to funds dedicated to research. That’s great and all and I do think AAU membership is a prestigious thing but if my alma mater doesn’t dedicate enough resources to pure research to satisfy membership requirements, then big whoop. It doesn’t diminish the validity of my course work and degree.

Also, LOL @ stating that US News & World Report is not an authoritative source while at the same time quoting from Wikipedia.

@ Buzzzzzzzzz, dude, you’re coming on way to strong with your obvious bias when I’ve been attempting to have a even handed discussion about the topic. You do realize that you’re a screaming inferiority complex, don’t you? Like the short guy that drives a Hummer.

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Yeah..Right, why would the presidents of Clemson, Va Tech, and FSU vote to raise the minimum buyout for leaving the conference if they planned on leaving? That doesn’t make any sense. Nobody is leaving the ACC.

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You don’t know much about politics, do you techfan?

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Better Question:

Why would they vote to raise the buyout if they had no fear of anyone leaving the conference?

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There are some very strong opinions on this blog that are not supported by facts. What is the reason for that? Some strong emotion, perhaps envy, or hate? Most of the bloggers are involve in civil discourse, fortunately.

Texas had a 4-pronged approach:
1) determining the future of the Big 12
2) pursuing membership in the PAC-12
3) discussion with the SEC, and
4) discussion with the ACC

#1 is still in play. They had meeting in LA when their contingent traveled there for the UCLA game over the weekend. Further discussion are to be held this week, based on news reports.

#2 is looking doubtful, as their representative’s trip to Norman to discuss saving the Big 12 did not go well. Oklahoma made it clear that their intention was to leave the Big 12; again, based on news reports.

#3 I have no idea about. The SEC has a TV contract, and Texas has their own TV contract.

#4 The ACC has made an initial move that does not include Texas, and the ACC has 10 or more very interested parties, based on news reports.

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Yeah..Right – I understand your logic but it just doesn’t compute. FSU, Clemson and VT don’t want to be part of the SEC! They aren’t going to the SEC. The ACC can compete with anyone in the SEC! Get over it! Clemson a middle of the road ACC team should have beaten the SEC’s best team last year and took care of business this year. Go get Mizzou and WVU…the ACC doesn’t want them so you can have em’. GO JACKETS!!

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YEAH-RIGHT engineers understand the best offense in the country!!! Get back to your Cosmopolitan reading you fool!

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@GT311

Dawg fans love you guys. You’re the only thing standing between them having the most delusional fan-base in all of college football.

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Dawg fans love us because it gives them a sense of pride when they beat us…especially when they can’t win any other games!! Haha

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techfan,

Take my advice. Don’t get yourself involved in a high-stakes poker game.

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Yeah…Wrong (as usual) you sure know Politics! hahaha

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Seriously,

No school is going to show their hand until they’re ready to make a move. Nothing serious will happen until Oklahoma and Texas resolve their issues.

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Yeah…Wrong…I hear that you get some free UGA playing cards (the 2011 National Championship playing cards of course) when you buy a UGA ballcap (they have plenty of mesh power ranger’s ones left) for $2.99 with a toy at burger mart! hahaha

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Just confirmed on ESPN…Texas to the ACC!!! Yeah…Wrong you know politics!

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So much for the civil discourse. I may check back later.

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Isn’t GA going to join the Southern Conference? Hell, they can’t win in the SEC.

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Yeah..Right, the Presidents of the ACC unanimously voted to raise the buyout minimum and unanimously voted to approve expanding, yet you think they are planning on leaving. You actually have no idea what these schools will be making in any conference once the TV contracts are renegotiated. Sorry but you sound like an SEC fan who thinks everyone wants to join your conference when really they don’t. Get over it.

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Yeah…Right –
You are correct on some measures. I agree ACC still sucks for football – adding SU, Pitt, and if they follow up with Rutgers and UCONN, only worsens the ACC’s football profile. But you were incorrect on Texas just using the ACC – Texas legitimately wanted the ACC for 3 reasons: (1) time zone difference – no one in Texas, including the administrators, want to be watching games that start at 9:30 CST, (2) Longhorn Network – Because ESPN has contracts with ACC and LHN, they expected the ACC and ESPN to work out a deal, (3) academics – why they would never go to SEC. The ACC, and Swofford, failed horribly on point 2, and he should be fired for that reason. Letting Texas go in inexcusable, particularly when swapping Texas for crappy Big East schools. There is no legit argument for taking any of these Big East schools over Texas. And I agree with you on FSU/VaTech/Clemson – if I was them, I would leave for SEC in a heartbeat, because ACC showed its hand it doesnt care about football, only one-and-done bball. I wish GT would leave for the SEC, but the odds of that happening is just about nil.

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@TexGT

I wouldn’t rule out GT coming back home to the SEC. If it happens, it will probably be accompanied by Vandy leaving the SEC for the ACC.

Who knows? This is all crazy nonsense and I really wish that it was not happening — but it is.

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We’re not debating techfan, we’re just chewing the fat.

This ain’t debate team. This is just a sports blog.

I don’t know exactly what will happen, and neither do you.

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Maybe the SEC was interested in ACC schools because it raised the overall IQ of the conference.

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The SEC is making no attempt to poach ACC schools, but they’ll accept the ones with quality football programs — if, and when they are ready to jump from a sinking ship. If the ACC should become a power football conference (not out of the question), it will have little resemblance to the ACC as it currently exists.

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Enough of the 5th period study hall arguments. This is real:

“The University of Oklahoma’s board of regents granted school president David Boren the authority to take action regarding conference realignment on Monday.

“The move, just hours before their Texas counterparts were expected to do the same during a meeting in Austin, clears the way for the Sooners to apply formally to the Pac-12, with whom they have been undergoing discussions in recent days on how to make the schools’ addition to the conference work.

ESPN

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@Skeezix

What’s a “UNC”? Is that sorta like the “AAU”?

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Sheesh…apparently, “pack twelve” got me blocked, either that or oklyhomer or teckksas

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The Okies are free to formully appleye fer membershipp

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Delbert,

I don’t think it’s always the filters. Sometimes a post just goes “poof” for no apparent reason.

Oh well… We get what we pay for, eh?

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There are some massive idiots in here. No team from the ACC is leaving. They just upped the buyout from 12-14 million all the way up to 20 million. Every ACC president accepted this and voted yes without hesitation. There will be NO teams from the ACC leaving for the SEC. None of them WANT to go….they are not that stupid. Swofford adding Pitt and Syracuse, plus possibly adding 2 more from the Atlantic seaboard, gives him the right to re-negotiate the contract with ESPN. The ACC will NOT BUDGE on equal revenue sharing, which it should not, so for all of you talking about Texas and Notre Dame, stop it. It is NOT going to happen. TEXAS only cares about themselves and their network, they proved it last year when they toyed and toyed with the Pac10 and the Big 12 for months. The only way the SEC, Big 10 or the ACC will accept Texas is if they agree to share in the revenue from the Longhorn network, which Texas absolutely refuses. The blogger earlier who suggested Swofford should be fired….REALLY? The man, and the conference, just saved themselves. The ACC has 10 major FBS teams requesting to join as of last week, 2 already are now members. Instead of being fodder for others, they are the predators and have secured themselves for decades. Get some common sense, honestly. BTW…. Don’t see anyone beating down the SEC’s door other than TAMU.

As far as the idiots who continually bash the ACC and thier football stature…we are not at the level of the SEC and do not admit to be, atleast I dont. But we continually bridge the gap and are almost there. As of this week we have 5 ranked teams. The SEC has 6. Speaking collectively, we(FSU) took the #1 team in the country to the wire with our backup QB and were in the game all the way til the end. We just defeated the 2010 national champions, from the SEC no less. We hosted 4 ranked teams and went a very respectable 2 and 2 this past weekend. South Carolina, the darlings from the SEC East, barely beat Navy(running a high school option as so many of you Dawg fans love to put it). Navy gave USC everything it could handle. Troy just gave #14 Arkansas all it oould handle, at home and even out gained them in total yardage. Georgia Tech is #1 in multiple statistical catogories with their “high school” offense, and have not played a FCS team like so many SEC teams already have, but 3 FBS teams, one of them in the Big 12, who they lost to last year. If you take the SEC top 5 teams in Florida, LSU, Alabama, South Carolina, and Arkansas and put them against the top 5 ACC teams in Florida State, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, North Carolina, and Clemson, we would do no worse than 2-3 and maybe even pull an upset and go 3-2. Stop acting like you guys are the cream crop of the world, because you are most certainly not. NO ONE FROM THE ACC WANTS TO GO TO THE SEC. Get over it already.

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@TexGT

I dunno. I don’t really want to bash GT. Hell, they’re off to a pretty good start this season. Did you know they’re ranked?

Every school is going to have to decide for themselves what is in their best long-term interest. There’s a lot of confusion out there right now. I don’t envy any of the Presidents having to make these decisions.

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Simple is as simple does.

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Simple Techster, I think you mistyped something there. Check it and retype it; I’m not sure what you were saying.

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Yeah…Right – my response to your response just got blocked. It’s a mystery. I may have to try Morse code.

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SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!

I’m outta here guys. Have a nice day, and be sure to attend the Baptist Church of your choice next Sunday!

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Sorry Mark! Louisville is simply rated to low academically to fit in ACC. They do fit the SEC mold but of course they already have KY. That leaves Louisville heading up remnants from the old Big East/Big XII. UConn and Kansas…maybe. Rutgers is another maybe. But FSU is really fighting for better football teams.

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Simple Techster, thanks. I thought that was what you meant

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Delbert, I just don’t understand why? WAY TOO FAR to go. I like what I saw earlier about PSU bolting the Big10. But I would also like USF or UCF, and I would think FSU might like any of those choices.

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Simple Techster,

I admire your passion, but regarding Georgia Tech’s schedule, they have played 2 FBS schools, and one FCS school in Western Carolina. They have not played three FBS teams to date.

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Google Penn State ACC, and there is an article in the Scranton Times

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Simple Techster –
I do not understand how Pitt and SU improve the ACC’s football profile at all. It is convenient that Swofford says “10 major FBS teams” are requesting admittance, but then leaves out who…if this ten includes St. Mary’s women’s college, then who cares? There is not point in adding crappy teams just to add them. Other conferences are looking at quality teams, while we just look for quantity. We should have a higher standard than that.

Regarding Texas – UT has already conceded it will not be able to keep all the revenues from the LHN for itself. It was looking for ESPN to work a deal between ACC and LHN. If Texas ends up making more money that other ACC schools, so be it. I guarantee, overall, every ACC school would make alot more money adding Texas than SU and Pitt, due to the Texas TV market and prestige in renegotiation with ESPN. When the overall numbers work, let Texas have a little extra. Texas is also a much better school than Pitt or SU. Bringing in Texas gives the ACC that extra pop and credibility it desperately needs – adding Pitt or SU is a comparatively a joke.

And I don’t agree with bridging the gap with the SEC. When we finally have a good number of teams ranked at the end of the year, actually win a BCS bowl, etc, then I will agree we are bridging the gap.

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A random thought just flitted through my brain. Why doesn’t the SEC look at TCU? They are about to be virtually homeless in the former Big East, and they are, by god in Texas, and near an airport to boot. Plus, they have a very attractive coach who would fit just fine as an upwardly-mobile SEC guy. Maybe a Spurrier replacement when the time comes.

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According to FORBES, the TOP 5 Most Valuable College Football Teams in order are:
1. Texas
2. Notre Dame
3. Penn State
4. Nebraska
5. Alabama

It’s very unseemly to me that Forbes even considered producing a ranking such as this.

Let’s just pay all the players and call it the minor leagues. Problem solved.

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Delbert…

I think that the SEC should be paying more attention to Texas Tech than they are Texas A&M

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While we are talking about universities the ACC should approach, we should mention an SEC school that has the academic, AAU, athletic, national championships in basketball and football, and regional, two in-state rivals that are already members of the ACC, attributes the Atlantic Coast conference is looking for. Plus they’ve seen themselves as outsiders in the SEC for over 40 years. Florida.

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Simple Techster – you could be right, but those last 5, oh my…

Also, Texas Tech is in tag-along mode with Texas, hoping to be headed to the PAC-16 (they seriously have to rename that conference; Rocky Pacific Desert Coast, maybe)

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I think the last 5 schools I mentioned are automatically out just due to academics. Now I am rather ignorant in this area so if I am wrong and I am insulting someones school I mean no disrespect, just remembering things i have read recently. But both Central and South Florida have been on the rise, WVU has an excellent football program, and I like East Carolina. Very spunky but isolated…just imagine what they could do with more money and a more stable conference to call home…..

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maybe because it is Alabama’s conference. Georgia Tech had a good rivalry with Florida in the ’60s when Ray Graves was Florida’s coach.

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West Virginia had some great basketball teams when I was growing up, with players like Jerry West and Rod Thorne, righ off the top of my old head.

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Super conferences will ruin college sports. Remember these next couple of years sports fans, cause its gonna be completely un-exciting in a couple if years in football.

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Mark,
Football (and related TV markets) is driving this expension, NOT Basketball. Football delivers more revenue (it’s about the money) for these conferences than the $2B+ NCAA basketall contract/tournament. Also, the conferences has more control over football revenue and BCS championship. So the SEC, PAC 12 and others are chasing schools with strong football traditions and increased TV markets. No one cares if the ACC is king of hoops. This just proves ACC doesn’t get it, again.

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For college basketball, expansion of the NCAA tournament in the ’50s to 16 teams was a sure death knell

In the ’70s, expansion to 32 teams was a national disgrace; it made the prestigious National Invitational Tournament in Madison Square Garden irrelevant

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Having lived in NYC for 10+ years I can tell you thatvRutgers brings absolutely nothing to the table. The only people that think Rutgers is important are Rutgers people. You never see people wearing anything Rutgers in the city. Never. That is a 100% fact. Syracuse, Uconn, ND & Penn State are the big draws in the city. Rutgers is an afterthought. They had 1 big win in 100 years… The ACC would gain nothing from adding them. Syracuse, Uconn, & Pitt always brought the most fans to the Big East Tournament. Believe me, Rutgers doesn’t bring any of the NYC market that Syracuse, Pitt and possibly Uconn already have.

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When the dust finally settles, whether any of us likes it or not, it appears that there will be 4 – 16 team Conferences. It will not matter which one you are in, it will just matter that your school is in one of them. Old rivals, natural or uniform boundaries, travel distances for road games will no longer matter or in most cases even be considered. The old, known and loved game has changed and it is not coming back. When the TV suits agreed to put up the big $$ they are all about expanding TV market and market share. So unless you are basing your opinion on what TV wants you are totally off base. And please, the TV folks could care less about academics, academic standing, or how tough they make travels for fans to any away game. They want easy program production and sports is one of the easiest and since we all know College Presidents care about the $$ first and foremost, they will do whatever the TV folks tell them to do. So get ready for a College version of what they have done to the NFL, ironic that they NFL is now a 32 team league and they are going to double that for the new 64 team College football league. So here comes parity and a weak regular season. What a sorry state of affairs.

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H – I’ve lived in North Jersey (Middletown, Red Bank, Atlantic Highlands) and South Jersey (Vineland) and from what I remember from the late ’60s through 1979, I have to agree. Rutgers is the State University of New Jersey, but sports-wise, folks were far more interested in Notre Dame (in both “sub-states”) and Penn State (in South Jersey/greater Philadelphia).

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Due West Brave – You are giving the TV folks far too much credit for successful scheming. NBC, case in point.

One other counterpoint, to a weak regular season.: winning the conference championship is the only thing that will matter; there will be a playoff in college football. This BCS scam that the slimy and corrupt rat-fink ba——–ds crammed down our throats will be blasted away forever.

Did I mention that I don’t like fake bowl game championships?

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Paul – Thanks for your input. Penn State was an independent when I lived in the northeast, of course.

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@Aurelius
September 19th, 2011
7:21 pm

My, my, how arrogant can one person be?

We poor peasants simply can’t segregate sports from academia, can we?

Thank you, oh mighty Aurelius… Thank you for bestowing your magnificent pity upon us.

WE’RE NOT WORTHY !!!
WE’RE NOT WORTHY !!!

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Peasants aren’t typically into academia much. Now, monks who have taken a vow of poverty, that’s a totally different deal. Those guys copy ancient books by hand.

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Win the conference, make the playoffs. Play all OOC games against big-time opponents and pack the stadium. It will be very simple.

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ACC Rules

Perhaps with your superior and ultimate knowledge you can corraborate this fact: UGA has never had one of it’s famous “academically elite” students charged with cold-blooded murder on the city streets. Can your institution of prestige say the same?

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For all of you saying GT needs to leave the ACC you need to give it up. With all the presidents voting the buyout to increase to $20 million nobody is going anywhere. Love it or hate it college football as we know it is done. All we can do as ACC fans now is hope that if we go to 16 atleast one offers something in football. I do find it funny though that ESPN is slamming the ACC for this move stating the ACC is killing college football and money hungry, when little was said about the SEC taking A&M. Um do the reporters who work for ESPN realize thier employers TV contracts are what started a good bit of this?

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@Ramblin Man

Accepting an inquiry from a school that has already left it’s conference is not exactly the same as as poaching teams under the table, morally and ethically speaking.

You are correct regarding the irony of ESPN feigning disgust.

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ESPN has a contract with the Big East that runs through 2013 for football. That’s why ESPN is morally outraged. ESPN’s contract with the ACC is for 12 years; it started this year. The ACC took part of ESPN’s Big East product and stands to take more. ESPN will likely make less money with the New Big East/Leftovers from Big 12 *and* they will have to increase the contract value of the ACC deal for the addition of 4 schools they already had a contract with.

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Watcher as to who gave me the idea that people at the University of Florida have considered themselves outsiders in the Southeastern conference? Over the years I have heard those complaints about the SEC from Florida alumni, former athletes, current and former coaches, professors and a chancellor of the Florida University system. If you are the University of Florida would you want to be mentioned in the same breath as Alabama, Mississippi State and Arkansas.

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Here is an interesting article from a Penn State blog a couple of years ago – how the Big East made a huge mistake by rejecting PSU in 1991

http://nittanywhiteout.com/2009/07/20/the-big-east-regrets-losing-penn-state/
Makes you wonder what would be happening now if PSU was an anchor school in the Big East

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Geez, That’s the one post I submit that clears the bloody filters???? What a load….

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If the powers-that-be filters will finally allow me to comment, let me first say I’m glad that the civility seems to have returned to this post whereas a few hours earlier there was an abormally large number of holier-than-thou north avenue’ers who could use a few lessons in humility and discourse. To those academic elitists, I’ll offer only one word that should be sufficient (and to those of you who are civil I apologize for having to do this but difficult people require difficult measures) — Crittendon.

I also have to chuckle at the mental pleasuring that you are going through thinking TX, ND, or PS will go the ACC. Not gonna happen.

I also agree that ACC seems to have deadbolted the exits, so I doubt FS:U, Clemson or VT will leave for the SEC, although they’d all be welcomed. Having said that, Yeah Right made one valid point — the exit fee was raised from $13M to $20M. Mere pittance compared to the long term revenue increase SEC football money will pull in.

And FL wants to leave the SEC? That’s got to be an all time high in hilarity.

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UNC self-imposed sanctions announced today:

- Vacates 16 football victories from the 2008 and 2009 seasons
- Cuts 3 scholarships for 3 years
- Football program on 2 years of probation
- Will pay a $50,000 fine, but not impose a postseason ban

If the Boise St. situation is any indicator, the NCAA will triple those

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Russ’ Chew Toy – The 13 year-olds are busy with their homework now. One thing though; payment of a $20 million penalty (direct hit against operating income) would take many years of revenue, say at a 1.5 multiplier on cost, to recover from that.

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GT92 – Is that Mack Brown again, complaining about school kids not being able to experience Texas football? I was under the impression UT athletic department would not be moving to the west coast.

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The PAC should just go ahead and consume what’s left of the Big-12 and go to 32 teams in two divisions. They still wouldn’t have enough elite teams to compete with the BIG & the SEC.

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I don’t use the word supplicant nearly enough. Seriously, though the ACC would probably take Vanderbilt (I have heard absolutely no speculation of that scenario!) The university of Florida is a fine institution, but they have shown the tendency to go all North Carolina on us with the type of student-athletes they recruit for football. Butch Davis, hopefully never to be heard from again.

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Those of you talking about Florida in the ACC apparently have forgotten the rumors in Spurriers latter years at Florida that he (Spurrier) was toying with the idea of moving to the ACC. Like I said, those were rumors, but virtually all rumors are grounded on some kind of truth, no matter how little.

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Watcher – Okay, I set myself for that. Sorry, CFBanalyst. Hey, the PAC actually could expand their geographic boundaries and go to 32. I’d call them the Big-MAC.

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What I worry about is not so much how this thing initially takes form, as what will happen after it gets underway. Will the super-conferences slowly eliminate their “deadwood” in order to admit hot new teams?

When the conferences were originally formed based upon regional boundaries, you sort of had to take what you could get in your area. That’s why marginal athletic programs have always been kept around as Homecoming Game opponents in the major conferences. What’s the point in keeping them around after realignment? Will the likes of Vandy and Northwestern eventually bite the dust?

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The conference food chain has always bothered me, as well. It would be so easy to address those concerns. if this were to become “professional” rather than pseudo-amateur. The conferences could then position themselves like the English soccer organization. The bottom 2 teams are relegated to the next lower division, and the top 2 teams (assuming that they are financially stable and have sufficient physical resources (stadium size) are promoted up. That happens from the bottom of the hundreds of professional and semi professional teams all the way up to what is now the Premiere League (it was simply the “1st Division” when I lived there in the 80s.)

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I didn’t write that right. The Dutch guy got 3 of the 10 football campers placed in high schools, not all of them; the other 7 are back in the Netherlands.

Anyway, it’s late, and I’m obviously losing my concentration. So, I’m outta here.

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Go get UCONN !!!

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tech better get worried the aCC will dump them as deadwood now that they are adding high profile teams like Pitt and syracuse. Maybe tech can go to the big east or big 12—they’ll take anyone at this point.

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I don’t know if anyone else posted this, but ESPN is scrolling a headline that says ND prefers to remain independent, but if the time were to come where remaining independent were no longer viable, they would prefer joining the ACC to the Big Ten. With that potentiality out there, I would think the ACC may wait quite a while before moving on two more teams. ND would make a huge difference and I think Swofford will wait to see what plays out. Apparently, Jim Calhoun is also feverishly reaching out to ACC coaches to beg for inclusion. If he were a nicer guy it may help his case. Rutgers also thinks the Big East is no longer viable, but Swofford is playing this hand well in my opinion.

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Ken posted a similar link on another blog

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I agree that the way this went down was maybe underhanded and I am not comparing it to the SEC and A&M scenario in the same light. Though I am sure that there was some back room action and A&M did not wake up and make a cold call to the SEC. I just think it is funny to report on how the SEC may raid the ACC and make the ACC irrelevant, then slam the ACC when Swofford protected his division and may have kept the SEC away from any team. I have also read that Pitt. told the Big East back in May it was exploring other options. Not sure how true that is, but if it is it sheds a different light on things. I hope the ACC holds out and sees how things shake out with the Pac ? and SEC, but have a feeling UConn will be taken if they really want in and can only hope the ACC then really holds out and tries to grab a football team and not another basketball team. Let’s not forget this could boast recruiting for all schools involved. I know GT is going for something like 4 different players from NJ and it might appeal to them to have a chance to play near home a couple of times. Intersting and maybe scary times ahead.

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I just don’t think UF would want to give up their rivalries with UT and UGA

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Espn developing story.
TX TT OK OKST PAC12 working on a deal. Big east big 12 merge. South Carolina athletes took $47000 in benefits from booster. Apparently USC knew for a while.

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@Ramblin Man “I have also read that Pitt. told the Big East back in May it was exploring other options. Not sure how true that is, but if it is it sheds a different light on things.”

That was in May, 2010 and it was in a letter from Pitt to the Big East.

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Big East/Big 12 should change their name to Pan American Conference.

The Big East was the first conference to completely stray from regional boundaries by accepting TCU. It will be interesting to see how the fan-bases react to their new league schedules over the next few years.

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It’s not going to happen, but if they somehow ended up with Texas and UConn… I can’t imagine a better scenario.

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SEC Wins Again

So now we have 1 super-conference. With the destruction of the Big-12, that’s one less legitimate contender for the BCS National Championship.

The Big-10 and the SEC would like to thank Texas from the bottom of their hearts.

ACC fans… Don’t worry. Basketball season starts soon.

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Supersize, even if there is a kernel of truth to Spurrier wishing to move to the ACC, conference alignment really isn’t up to the football coach, now is it? The only rationale would be that he wanted to follow the Bobby Bowden model of national titles. In a recent interview on 790, Bowden admitted that he rejected membership in the SEC in favor of the ACC because it’s a far easier path to winning MNCs. As he put it, “we didn’t want to go to the SEC and have to play that bunch of tough nuts every week.” From that standpoint, it would make perfect sense since UF and FSU would have to play each other OOC anyway.

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LOL @ CFBanalyst. Don’t worry, the SEC isn’t fretting about UF getting poached. Not. At. All. Money talks. What you’re writing walks.

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IL Jacket, I think ND just enjoys screwing around with conferences. They’ve teased the Big Ten for so long, they’re practically a booty call. ND may not be what they once were but they can still command the money they need to remain independent as long as they want. I wouldn’t put your eggs all in one Irish basket.

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@Glenn
September 20th, 2011
9:38 am

The SEC can pony up the 20 million dollar exit fee on its own if it wants an ACC team . I would have to think they would do that for Va Tech , UNC , or FSU .

You must be a UNC fan. How can I tell? Because you think that they’re relevant in CFB. The SEC doesn’t need or want any new teams in their conference. If FSU, Clemson or VA Tech want to come to the SEC, then they might be welcomed — but first, they’ll have to leave the ACC. The SEC doesn’t lower itself to poaching teams from other conferences. They have more class than that.

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Yeah Right
You are to funny to throw SEC and class in the same sentence. If you really believe the SEC has not been reaching out to other schools you are delusional. The presidents have already even discussed teams they may want.

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Glenn, if the Big 10 loses PSU to the ACC and thus has no conference championship game to speak of, we’ll see how “classy” they are.

They’re not idiots and will unlikely stand pat while they get eclipsed in revenue by several other major conferences. Everyone thinks highly of their moral character until their comfort and standard of living is threatened.

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Yeah right,
Are you aware that it is speculated that Swofford moved quick on this becuase the SEC and WVU have been having back room visits. If true that does not sound to classy.

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@Ramblin Man

You guys can “speculate” about whatever blows your skirt up. The Big-10 poached Nebraska last year. The SEC has poached nobody.

Keep dreaming about Unicorns and being a premiere football conference. The first fantasy is every bit as likely to materialize as is the second.

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@ GeoffDawg

There is no financial benefit for Penn State in leaving the B1G . No one is leaving the B1G for that reason . Our network is doing fine . We don’t need or care about Texas . They wanted us . If we get the chance at Notre Dame of course we would love that . They geographically make sense , have great academics , and would bring in revenue . Then Mizzou at that point would be 14 . We are the one conference that can stand pat ….and probably will .

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I’ve spent a lot of time in Missouri. Most folks there aren’t even aware that they have a CFB team in their state.

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Yeah..Right

September 20th, 2011
11:19 am
@Glenn

The SEC is the only major conference that can, and has, stood pat.

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Do the names Arkansas, South Carolina and Texas A&M ring a bell? This whole money train got put in motion when the SEC used a hole in the NCAA by-laws to implement a conference championship game in a 12 team conference.

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@Glenn

Only delusional sports fans believe that academics has any pertinent association to athletics or athletic conferences. What makes you think that the SEC “wants” Missouri — or anyone else for that matter? Are you a psychic?

@Paul in NH (formerly RDU)

Yes. Arkansas and South Carolina joined the SEC in 1992. Do you have any evidence that this was the result of under-the-table poaching of the sort that just occurred in the ACC?

TAMU approached the SEC about joining during SEC Media Days in Birmingham. The SEC turned a cold shoulder to them, angering some on the TAMU Board of Regents. After they took care of leaving the Big-12, then (and only then) did the SEC accept an official inquiry and invite TAMU to join the SEC.

This is how business is conducted with a conference that has class and integrity.

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@ Paul

Penn State should have lost to Temple last week . JoePa coaches from a press box .He is more of a figure head than coach . Its time . I heard a PSU fan referring to him as becoming Bret Favre . I agree with that .

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Yeah right,
Were you present for any of these meetings? Are you aware Pitt made it aware to the big east they were not happy a year ago? Do you have any first hand knowledge of any of the current events or are you reading the same things as everybody else? By the way all the reports are speculation and only reveal what the players are telling people.
By the way I have said nothing about the ACC being a premiere division in football.

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Yeah right you are living in a fantasy world. Do you really believe no back room deals are going on and school presidents are sending out letters for admittance in mere hopes of being accepted.

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I think Paterno may have retired after 1994 if he hadn’t thought he was robbed of the MNC. He had a great team that year but Osborne had never won an MNC and Nebraska got the votes.

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@Paul in NH (formerly RDU)

Here’s the thing. TAMU approached the SEC — not vice-versa. They are not yet members of the SEC. Therefore, of the 4 major CFB conferences, only the SEC has not accepted a new member in this current scramble for conference realignment. The Pac-12 and the Big-10 both expanded last year.

The SEC did not initiate this conference realignment nonsense. It was the Pac-10 and the Big-12 who created this mess. Contrary to Glenn’s previous post, the Big-10 jumped on the bandwagon last year with the addition of Nebraska.

@Glenn

Your whining about academics deserves no response. Grow up man.

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@Paul in NH (formerly RDU)

RE: JoPa

As I said earlier, I like and respect Joe Paterno. He is a legend in CFB.

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Yeah right,
Where to begin. First off the SEC has taken on another member and the only reason A&M is not considered a SEC team right now is Baylor. Do you really believe that A&M along with WVU sent the SEC letters without testing the water first? Are you aware that Pitt and Syracuse along with other teams approached the ACC so it is not like Swofford had to use the back door. I personally do not like all the expansion and not really trying to defend Swofford, I just can’t believe you are actually taking the position that the SEC has nothing to do with all this.

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@Ramblin Man

I have never denied that the SEC has everything to do with this. These other conferences are scrambling to add programs because none of them can compete with the SEC in football. That’s what the SEC has to do with it.

TAMU wants to come to the SEC only because Texas blew up the Big-12.

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@ Yeah right

Whining ? Look your an idiot if you don’t think academics come into play on who does or who doesn’t get conference bids . The SEC has offered Mizzou a bid and not WVU . Why is that ? You have already said the state of Missouri isn’t into their football team . They are in West Virgina . Its their academic ranking Beavis .

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Pitt will not play second fiddle to Duke or UNC in BB and I would say they would be immediately in the top 5 in the ACC in Football right now. Handled UNC in the whatever bowl last year. ACC you have upgraded both sports with this addition and I fully expect UConn and Rutgers to be added. I look forward to dominating the ACC in both sports.

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@Glenn

You fall too easily for baseless rumors.

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/campusrivalry/post/2011/09/sec-did-not-extend-big-missouri/1

Doesn’t surprise me much…

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Rutgers would be a good add to the ACC.

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For those cretins on this board:

The AAU’s membership criteria focus primarily on the amount of competitive research funds, and the share of faculty members who belong to the National Academies.

From a quick look at Wikipedia (granted, not the best source):

In its 2011 edition, U.S. News & World Report ranked UGA’s university’s undergraduate program 56th among national universities, while ranking the business, education, journalism, law, and public affairs graduate programs as high as 4th and all in the top 50. The same publication also cited the university as the #11 ranked “Up-and-Coming School” in the National University category tied with the University of Southern California and ahead of Emory University. It has also been recognized as one of the Public Ivies.[4] The university also made the list of “Top 10 Public Ivy League Schools” [5]The School of Environment and Design was named the #1 Landscape Architecture program for undergraduates in the nation, as well as #3 for post-graduate studies in the list of top 15 Landscape Architecture Schools for 2006.[6][7] Internationally, Georgia was ranked 84th in the 2011 QS World University Rankings[8].

The university is notably not a member of the prestigious Association of American Universities (AAU), a nonprofit 501(c)(3) organization of 61 leading public and private research universities in the United States and Canada. The recent article in The Chronicle of Higher Education on Tech’s 2010 admission notes that “[w]hile AAU membership conveys a certain cachet, several well-known research heavyweights, such as Boston University, Dartmouth College, North Carolina State University, and the University of Georgia, are not members.”[33] However, the university is regarded as a research heavyweight that can make good arguments for joining. [34] The AAU’s membership criteria focus primarily on the amount of competitive research funds, and the share of faculty members who belong to the National Academies. Despite the stated importance of research as a criterion, some universities left out of the AAU outpace member institutions. [35] According to The Chronicle of Higher Education’s analysis, at least 11 institutions received more federal money in 2008 than did 13 members, and six received more than 19. [36] Some critics of the association’s influence say the reason universities pay it so much attention is because of the stingy and slow admissions process. [37]

It should be added: in addition to Nebraska being voted out of the AAU last year, new ACC member Syracuse saw the hand-writing on the wall and left on their own accord. It should
be further noted that many of the AAU research schools (i.e. Big Ten schools) were admitted about a century ago; ergo, AAU membership does not necessarily reflect current academic quality and/or reputation.

Arguably, UGA’s sticking point is similar to the research $$ problem that Nebraska and other land-grant schools face: agribusiness research $$ is expressly NOT included in the AAU’s consideration of “research worthiness” because the AAU does not consider it “competitive research”. .

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Yeah..right, revisiting one of your earlier comments that it is all about football and money, I guess the Pac12 University Presidents did not get your memo. As Andy Katz is reporting, the Pac12 is standing pat and not expanding. Turns out Larry Scott could not muster the votes to admit OU, OSU and Texas Tech-concerns about academic standing of these 3rd tier institutions. So much about it all being about football.

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@Glenn

Texas A&M might well come to the SEC and Mizzou would be a welcome partner, but I wouldn’t count on any of that happening based upon mere rumors.

@IL Jacket

I don’t know if the PAC was ever interested in adding Texas and Oklahoma, but the stated reason for rejecting them was the fact that Texas wanted special treatment, and the PAC is dedicated (as is the SEC) to equal revenue distribution.

How does that change the fact that all of these conference expansion moves have centered around increased television revenue? You sir, are full of nonsense.

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@Michael Jordan

Outside of you, nobody on this blog cares about roundball.

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I think that ND is partly responsible for the current situation in the college/conference realignment situation. Their prideful notion that ND football is so sacred is sad. Jesus said “Tis better to give than to receive.” I guess the deity ND follows, “The almighty dollar” and it’s messenger “Touchdown Jesus” would say “Tis better to give than receive, unless it means giving up our football money.” I think it’s so interesting that a university so tied to the Roman Catholic church doesn’t believe in sharing the $ with its supposed conference brethren. ND’s insistence on staying independent in football has hurt the Big East Conference. Think how much that stability, financial and otherwise hurt the Big East Conference. Texas probably sees ND as the patron saint of football greed and they longed for their own network, just as ND has with NBC overpaying for the privilege of showing ND football. I hope that the ACC doesn’t issue an invitation for ND to join. I wouldn’t mind if ND got totally left out in the cold by all the major conferences. It would serve them right, but I’m sure somebody will ask them (again) and sooner or later they’ll accept and join a conference in football too. They’ll grit their teeth and whine about it, but they’ll do it.

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@Jay

By the time Notre Dame is ready to inquire about joining a conference, They’ll look at the letter and ask “Notre Who?”

They’d never join the ACC anyway. That’s no more likely than PSU or Texas joining the ACC. Just a pipe dream…

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