What’s wrong with Jason Heyward? It’s a blip in his BABIP

Perhaps a non-mechanical hug will do the trick. (AJC photo by Phil Skinner)

A non-mechanical hug might do the trick. (AJC photo by Phil Skinner)

Writing for ESPN Insider, Dayn Perry of FanGraphs asks the question many among us have asked: What happened to Jason Heyward? (Link requires registration.) Using the best data known to man and computers, Perry offers this telling snapshot:

Heyward is trending in the wrong direction when it comes to line-drive percentage (17.8 percent in 2010 to 13.9 percent in 2011), infield pop-ups (8.4 percent to 24.7 percent) and batting average on balls in play (.335 to .245). In the case of his declining BABIP, there’s almost certainly some bad luck involved, but the remaining indicators are more troubling.

Additionally, he’s swinging at 44.8 percent of pitches overall, up from 39.4 percent last year; and he’s swinging at 28.7 percent out of the zone after hacking at just 24.2 percent of such offerings. Add it all up and you have a guy who’s hitting fewer line drives and more pop-ups and seems to have lost control of the strike zone.

We’ve noted before that Heyward is swinging more and accomplishing less. (His batting average and on-base percentage tell us that much.) We’ve also noted that this is the truly baffling part. Unlike, say, Jordan Schafer, who has struck out a lot at every level, Heyward arrived in the majors bearing the stamp of a young player who knew the strike zone and could work a count.

Many observers — from Bobby Valentine, who’s a jerk, and Chipper Jones, who’s not — have suggested that Heyward’s “mechanics” have gone, if you will, haywire. That can happen. Ask Dan Uggla. But the bit about “losing  control of the strike zone” is the puzzling part. That’s not mechanical. That’s the part young Jason Heyward seemed to have down at age 20.

And now he just turned 22 and is playing behind the journeyman Jose Constanza. Baseball is the strangest of games — again, ask Dan Uggla — but I have to admit this Heyward thing has me baffled. I could not have imagined that the rookie who was so adept at figuring things out would have forgotten how to figure.

(Oh, one thing more: Perry mentions BABIP. That stands for “batting average on balls in play.” As a yardstick, statheads love BABIP. I find it hilarious. Whenever someone mentions BABIP, I want to ask, “What’s his batting average on balls not in play?” Pretty sure that’d be .000.)

Update: I’ve been reliably informed that home runs don’t count as “balls in play.” (Unless, I can only assume, they’re inside-the-park home runs.) So you can have a batting average above .000 on balls not in play. And yes, my eyes are glazing over.

By Mark Bradley

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Not so fast, my friend

August 23rd, 2011
9:09 am

BjohnDawg

August 23rd, 2011
9:12 am

jokurone

August 23rd, 2011
9:15 am

Third place Jhey will b back

Mark Bradley

August 23rd, 2011
9:15 am

Kudos, my fast friend.

Sean

August 23rd, 2011
9:16 am

That percentage of infield fly balls is just downright alarming. That’s the one guaranteed out in every level of baseball. I have to ask — does that mean 24.7 percent of fly balls are in the infield, or 24.7 percent of every time he makes contact, it’s an infield fly ball? Could be either, but the latter would be even worse.

BjohnDawg

August 23rd, 2011
9:17 am

The guys hit 12 or 13 hrs this season. Second year in the majors. Soph Jinx?
I dont think we catch the Phillies, so play him when you can, get him extra BP.Extra instruction.
And if you are Fredi, tell him to have some fun out there.
If not, he is going to become another Francouer.

Tree rollins

August 23rd, 2011
9:17 am

Freddie Freeman is the Jason Heyward we thought we would have!

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
9:19 am

There seems to be a hole from the chest to the knees on pitches near or over the plate.

He has zero confidence right now and it’s obvious. Maybe he just needs to hear Let’s Go Heyward some. It worked last year.

Innocent Bystander

August 23rd, 2011
9:21 am

I, for one, blame Larry Parrish. TP wasn’t so bad of a hitting coach after all, since he taught patience at the plate (and it showed). The Braves were always near top of the league in OBP under TP (5th, 6th, 6th the past three years). They’re currently in the bottom third of the NL (11th) with a .313 OBP.

Also, Mark, before you go cracking the “batting avg on balls not in play” joke, I should warn you that HRs count as “balls not in play”, so unless a player has 0 HRs, his BABNIP would be greater than .000.

Tree rollins

August 23rd, 2011
9:21 am

Jason Heyward, on the other hand, is now Atlanta’s new Jeff Franceour! He may become a player again if we move him out of Atlanta.

dean

August 23rd, 2011
9:22 am

During “The Open” I heard it said by guru that what helped one of the players was some pretty simple advice: “Don’t let the game control your attitude. Let your attitude control your game.”

It sounded reasonable, and universal, to me.

Huge

August 23rd, 2011
9:22 am

Actually Home Runs don’t count as balls in play. Therefore, his Batting Average when balls are not in play would be greater than .000

ASN

August 23rd, 2011
9:24 am

Doesn’t sound like you believe in the advanced metrics? Why not?

WinderDawg

August 23rd, 2011
9:25 am

His swing looks like an old mans softball swing with a big looping bat….He wants to extend his arms of every pitch so he has no chance of an inside ball…can’t hit a homer every time…just hit the ball!

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
9:29 am

Perhaps he and Greg Oden should just change places again and Heyward can go back to being a good baseball player again.

journalist jimmy smith

August 23rd, 2011
9:29 am

has anyone checked his toe health? toes are important in baseball and toes are not to be trifled with. check his toes and end his woes.

ATLBraveSEC

August 23rd, 2011
9:30 am

Heyward will come around…. but may not be till next year

curtisjones

August 23rd, 2011
9:31 am

I just hope Constanza’s ankle injury isn’t serious. With Jose in the lineup, the Braves are a championship team. With Heyward in the lineup, right now anyway, they’re mediocre.

journalist jimmy smith

August 23rd, 2011
9:33 am

a bad toe can end a career. that’s what happened to dizzy dean. jason heyward always looks like his shoes are too tight. he should also lose the batting gloves because he spends most of his time at bat fooling with his gloves. where his toes point has a lot to do with where he hits the ball. look it up.

R

August 23rd, 2011
9:39 am

“And yes, my eyes are glazing over.”

Shame you don’t care to learn more about a sport you cover.

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mike

August 23rd, 2011
9:41 am

Why’s he on the bench when you have an 8 game lead in the wild card and virtually no chance of catching Philly?

Stupid.

MannyT

August 23rd, 2011
9:43 am

I’m waiting for the AJC statheads to provide Heyward’s MOANBBA.

(Mentioned on AJC non-baseball blog batting average) I’m sure this is a true measure of his state of mind while hitting. 8-O

Joe

August 23rd, 2011
9:44 am

Yep, Jason Heyward is having a tough year. But look folks. Kansas City had a phenom a few years back who even the great George Brett said would be the next superstar.

But, he struggled hitting and struggled fielding his position, so eventually ended up in AAA at Omaha, learning a new position and some hitting.

This year at Kansas City his is just having as awesome year. Fellow named Alex Gordon.

So patience may be a key, cause Heyward has same potential.

VolGuy

August 23rd, 2011
9:44 am

I’m certainly no expert, but Heyward’s swing looks kind of jerky when I compare it to the smooth and seemingly effortless swing of Chipper Jones. I still think the kid has great potential but he needs to get away and work herd on improving his mechanics before he ends up being the next Francouer. When he was here, it seemed like Francouer wasn’t willing to make any substantive changes in his swing. I hope Jason isn’t as stubborn.

Herschel Talker

August 23rd, 2011
9:45 am

MB:

Any thoughts to the similarities between Heyward and Francoeur? Tremendous talent, seemed to lose it over bad mechanics and pitch selection?

Let’s hope that Heyward doesn’t develop the arrogant attitude that Francoeur developed (I don’t think he will), or else we’re heading down the path of another bust of a rightfielder.

HT

UGADawg83

August 23rd, 2011
9:45 am

O.K Now back to college football

ATL Fan

August 23rd, 2011
9:46 am

“See the ball; hit the ball” Pete Rose

Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable

August 23rd, 2011
9:46 am

As Chipper Jones pointed out in his calling out of Heyward earlier in the season, the Braves clearly need to hire a full-time staff gynecologist to tend to their sophomore right fielder.

Richham

August 23rd, 2011
9:48 am

Wasn’t it Gonzales and Chipper suggest that he stop taking so many pitches??? I’m amazed at how much advice he got when he had a really good season last year. I think it screwed with his head and his confidence.

I honestly believe his struggles have come from taking too much advice, along with injuries to really screw him up. Sometimes giving a kid too much to think about is a bad thing, instead of letting him just play and allowing his instincts to direct him.

phil

August 23rd, 2011
9:49 am

ASN

August 23rd, 2011
9:24 am
Doesn’t sound like you believe in the advanced metrics? Why not?
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Probably because it’s baseball and not bridge or aircraft building. Homeruns don’t count in the silly BABIP statistic? Brilliant….

Najeh Davenpoop

August 23rd, 2011
9:49 am

Send him to AAA for a while and let him get his swing right. Whatever his problem is, letting him continue to make the same mistakes at the big league level while not giving him the playing time required to work his way out of it is not the right way to fix it.

BigTimeTechFan

August 23rd, 2011
9:49 am

Hayward will be ok and World Series MVP

Hossa Williams

August 23rd, 2011
9:50 am

Freddie Freeman = Brian McCann (You didn’t hear as much about them because of the guys below)
Jason Heyward = Jeff Francoeur (all the hype but can’t back it up)

Karl Hungus

August 23rd, 2011
9:51 am

BABIP is a function of putting good contact on the ball (and some luck, which normalizes the rate). Putting good contact on the ball is the result of swinging at good pitches to hit. His line drive rate is down, his infield fly rate is up. This is because he’s swinging more often, and he’s swinging at more pitches out of the zone. Voila, his BABIP is down. It is explained clear as day in the block quote – not sure why you’re criticizing the stat. (Granted, swing mechanics play a role in this, and folks who know what they’re talking about say his mechanics are off. However, the numbers provided support the BABIP argument.)

JackDennis

August 23rd, 2011
9:51 am

Plate coverage. I think he would hit from the on-deck circle if the rules allowed it.

BAMA dude

August 23rd, 2011
9:51 am

Heyward is scuffling up there right now. I don’t know that there’s any explanation for it other than the standard slump curve. They say you first just blow it off, then realize you’re in a slump, then start pressing to try to get out, then get frustrated with yourself, then finally get a couple of lucky bounces that are good for the soul (think Uggla’s hit streak) and all is right with the world again. I think he’ll make it back, but don’t think you can sit Constanza while he does. Of course, Constanza spraining his ankle might just be the “opportunity” that Heyward needs to get fixed. How ironic would THAT be?

phil

August 23rd, 2011
9:51 am

mike

August 23rd, 2011
9:41 am
Why’s he on the bench when you have an 8 game lead in the wild card and virtually no chance of catching Philly?

Stupid.
**************
No, stupid would be to play this guy every day when he couldn’t hit a basketball rolled on the ground to him….

Alphare

August 23rd, 2011
9:52 am

JHey is a more likable guy than French. When things going well, French would talk differently. JHey sounds more level headed.

The guy is only 21. I wouldn’t be in JHey’s shape mentally if I was JHey at 21. So, give him some time.

Herschel Talker

August 23rd, 2011
9:52 am

Richham:

I believe that was our former idiot skipper Bobby who said that he was too patient. Great advice, Bobby, you stupid old fool. Enjoy your retirement #6, you choking hack.

HT

phil

August 23rd, 2011
9:53 am

The Heycoueur nickname….gaining steam!

Herschel Talker

August 23rd, 2011
9:53 am

Alphare:

I agree, Heyward is very likeable so we should all be pulling for him. I don’t think he’ll develop the crappy, arrogant attitude that Francoeur had, thank God.

HT

phil

August 23rd, 2011
9:54 am

That’s all we ever hear….

Give him so more time.

What will the mantra be this time next year if he’s hitting like this?

Remarkable

August 23rd, 2011
9:56 am

Time cures a lot of things. If you are a career .300 hitter, a slump is probably only a matter of time. (See Uggla) I’m willing to bet that the pressure he is putting on himself is most of the problem. If so many people didn’t have such a high expectation for his hitting, management could send him to AAA to work it out. I’m sorry to say this, but it probably won’t get worked out until spring training.

Navigator

August 23rd, 2011
9:57 am

Too much back patting, too much expectation, too young to handle subtle changes in how pitchers pitch him. It’s Frenchy part 2, and his replacement has done what Heyward hasn’t been able to, get on base and steal bases. He’s a catalyst versus a hole in the line up. Heyward needs to go back to AAA and get his head on straight, and work his way back.

BAMA dude

August 23rd, 2011
9:57 am

phil, I’m not a stathead either but BABIP does have some merit. A player with league average speed and LD% should also have league average BABIP, no? Guys like Bourn and Constanza break the system a bit with their ability to beat stuff out, as do guys like Tony Gwynn who would spray good solid line drives from foul line to foul line. As a rule though, BABIP shouldn’t vary much from player to player unless the player is popping up a lot. If it does, that’s when you can say luck is involved (i.e. bloopers dropping in or line drives getting caught.)

Karl Hungus

August 23rd, 2011
9:57 am

@Sean Infield fly percentage is infield flies over total fly balls, not over total contacted balls.

ted williams head

August 23rd, 2011
9:57 am

Mark that is most idiotic stat ive ever heard of. Some stathead must have come up with that after realizing all usuable stats were taken

Wait I see this moron Perry works for something called Fan Graphs which I hope to never hear of again

Henry D.

August 23rd, 2011
9:58 am

He has the same problem a lot of the Braves hitters do. They have stopped trying to get base hits and are swinging for a home run every time they swing. Thus the increase in infield pop ups. They uppercut half the pitches they see. Also why we have seen so many bases loaded situations where we get either nothing or maybe 1 run.

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
10:01 am

Freddie Freeman is a rookie like Jason was last year. Let’s hold off on the soon to be 6 time all star talk.

Jason is having a bad year, he’s not a bad player.

Hankie Aron

August 23rd, 2011
10:01 am

PHIL- If he’s hitting like this next year by the trade deadline, The mantra will be “he looks real good in that Royals uni”

Boise in ATL

August 23rd, 2011
10:06 am

I am sure this is very frustrating for Heyward.

Ronnie Gant went through the same thing – his average was dropped like a lead baloon – his timing was off – this guy really struggled. Cox sent him down to single A – then promoted him through the ranks as he regained confidence. Very humbling for Gant – but it took him out of the spotlight – allowed him to focus on hitting – and progress through quality of pitching. Saved Gants career.

Heyward is very young – so this might be a good approach.

ClemsonBrad

August 23rd, 2011
10:07 am

I gotta believe J-Hey will be okay. Too much is in his head at this point. He has had alot chances to snap out of his slump, but to be fair, not nearly as much as Dan Uggla. He needs an offseason to rework things. I still think he the biggest piece of the future of the Atlanta Braves. I don’t see him being another “Frenchie” for us either. (I Still love Frenchie though!!)

Mark, What do you think he needs to do? I think a productive off-season is the absolute key. Chipper is right. It starts with your mechanics. If J-Hey’s mechanins aren’t good right now…it is going to mess EVERYTHING else up when you are at bat.

bvillebaron

August 23rd, 2011
10:07 am

ted williams head:

Actually BABIP is a very informative and useful stat unless, of course, you know everything about the game already.

Shaun

August 23rd, 2011
10:08 am

BABIP is just batting average on fair batted balls that wind up on the field of play. So it doesn’t account for strikeouts or homeruns.

BABIP is especially useful for determining if a pitcher is actually performing well or is actually just getting some unusually good or bad breaks and some help from his defense.

The idea is that a pitcher doesn’t have much control over whether something like a grounder just out of the reach of an infielder or a grounder that the infielder gets to and turns into an out. The pitcher more or less did his job and got the grounder on both plays. Most pitchers are going to allow hits on about 29-30 percent of fair batted balls of the long haul. If a pitcher has allowed lots of hits on fair batted balls at a higher rate than that, it’s a good indication that he’s not getting a lot of help from his defense or he’s just getting a ton of bad breaks (lots of bloops and bleeders). That pitcher is very likely due for a turnaround.

BABIP is not as useful when evaluating hitters because hitters have a little more control over batted balls that are in play. Hitters have some control to some degree over how hard they hit the ball, how they hit the ball (fly balls, line drives, grounders), where the ball is going, how squarely they are hitting the ball. But BABIP still is useful to some degree for the same reasons as it is useful for evaluating pitchers. If a hitter’s BABIP is off from his norms and everything else looks alright, he’s probably getting a lot of breaks or fewer breaks than the norm.

Regarding Heyward, he has a higher walk rate than Chipper or McCann, so the problem is probably more swing than some sort of loss of plate discipline and control of the strikezone. And injury is the most likely culprit. Not that everything else is perfect. But I’m guessing the shoulder issue is a major factor.

anotherdawg

August 23rd, 2011
10:09 am

Well, we can’t blame it on Terry Pendleton. lol. Baseball can be a weird game. Just look at Uggla earlier this year. He looked lost at the plate. Now he’s went from a “bust” to one of the most powerful hitters in the league. I think we need to just give the kid some time, and with Constanza’s ankle, he’s gonna get a chance to sort it out.

Conspiracy Theorist

August 23rd, 2011
10:11 am

I just think there is something going on that we do not yet know about. Personal, injury, or otherwise.
Get back in there Heyward!
I’ve always had my doubts about TP as well, but I could just be a naysayer in that regard. Hope he is not screwing up JH.

Shaun

August 23rd, 2011
10:13 am

BABIP is useful because thing like batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage don’t account for a grounder just out of the reach of an infielder versus a grounder that ends up in an infielder’s glove, though there isn’t much difference in those two types of batted balls. It’s more useful for evaluating pitchers.

MatthewH

August 23rd, 2011
10:14 am

Mark,
I’m not a big fan of Bobby Valentine either, but why the hate?

James

August 23rd, 2011
10:14 am

Could it stem from a new batting coach? Where is Larry Parrish anyway?

Bill

August 23rd, 2011
10:14 am

The kid has a problem we all agree..should have been sent down to AAA for a few games to work on it. I do believe he will come around. The guestion is when. Bring up Gartrell and let Haywire go down…GET Well CONSTANZA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shaun

August 23rd, 2011
10:15 am

Heyward has walked more often than Chipper and McCann. The problem is related more to swing than a lack of discipline or command of the strikezone. Probably due a lot to the shoulder issue.

Bill

August 23rd, 2011
10:18 am

Don’t blame Parrish..Larry didn’t change his way of hitting, He is doing just like Uggla did, trying everything and its not working. Chipper has even worked with him. have faith .

stinger

August 23rd, 2011
10:18 am

I like Constanza I think he’s the best option for now. But look at Ugla, he turned it around but he was playing everyday..gonna be hard for Heyward to turn it around when he’s not playing much.

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MA

August 23rd, 2011
10:21 am

BABIP on not in play? Well if you could divide by zero that might be possible. Back to remedial math Bradley.

JeanE

August 23rd, 2011
10:21 am

I’m not a baseball stathead or expert but it’s pretty obvious it’s all mental which has in turn affected his mechanics. He’s lost his confidence, very apparent. When he gets it back, who knows? I think they’re right to play Constanza, he is hitting and his speed combined with Bourn’s is a killer for oppposing teams.

Shaun

August 23rd, 2011
10:22 am

BABIP also doesn’t take into account strikeouts.

It basically tells you if a hitter or a pitcher are getting helped or hurt by defense and luck to a larger or smaller degree than normal.

buckhead benny

August 23rd, 2011
10:24 am

Its called believing the “HYPE” and letting fame deter you from what got you there. When you have players basically saying on your own team I think he is okay enough to be playing- that is a head issue, that has to do with trying to worry too much about your batting average and image than working your a** off to get back to help your teammates out.

I believe Karma bit him in the *ss. He felt maybe he was above team to play hurt so oh well now your jockeying for a job bro. Chipper doesn’t call too many guys out unless thats what the coaches and the rest of his teammates were thinking.

the word on the street is he is going out on the ATL nightlife scene a lot and enjoying his new found fame immensely. Which has detoured many a great pro athlete before.

Shaun

August 23rd, 2011
10:24 am

The most obvious explanation is injury and all the mechanical issues in a swing that result from injury. Could be something more and it’s probably not quite that simple, but that’s probably the major culprit.

LawDawg

August 23rd, 2011
10:25 am

Atlanta has to have the biggest bunch of knee-jerk moron fans in the entire country. “This guy who just turned 22 (22!) and has massive talent is done because after having injuries he has played poorly. Ship him to KC so that Constanza can have the .330 45 140 season we know he would have without Heyward around. Oh, and all those pitchers had bad starts at various times this season. We should cut the whole team and just play the Gwinnett Braves. World Series champions!!!”

braves fan forever

August 23rd, 2011
10:26 am

Heyward shows no concentration at the plate.Wild swings.not into the game.

Bill Gullion

August 23rd, 2011
10:27 am

Maybe after a couple of times around the league other teams have learned to pitch to him. It happene all the time. emember Francour!

Larry

August 23rd, 2011
10:31 am

Will you goobers please stop blaming pitching coaches past and present for every hitter’s issues or a team’s offensive slumps? Larry Parrish has never walked to the plate with Jayson Heyward!

I played for nine years and a hitting/batting coach can only offer suggestions and observations; it’s totally up to the individual to listen, not listen, employ or utterly disregard a hitting coach’s suggestions when he’s alone at the plate. By the MLB level, after 15 or more years of swinging a bat thousands upon thousands of times, a hitting coach has about as much to do with a batter’s performance as Bobby Cox had on the way Maddux pitched–very minimal.

Like Francoeur before him, Heyward is a very tall, sweep swinging batter with somewhat of an upright, almost awkward looking batting stance. Again like Francoeur he broke in as a virtual unknown and made an immediate impact with his bat, his arm, his glove, his reputation and all the expectations that go with this, but clearly with both an experienced eye could tell their stance, swing, mechanics, and “guess” hitting style would ultimately be diagnosed, dissected, disclosed and therefore exploited by the pitchers and their pitching coaches.

Heyward’s issue is simple–he hasn’t adjusted his mechanics and approach and thus the same fate as Francoeur. Until he does, the results will not change; and if he doesn’t, he’ll slowly spiral down to just another “one hit wonder” the likes of former top Braves prospects like Mike Kelly (”the next Barry Bonds” he was called or a Brad Komminsk–another big, strong guy with a quirky, robotic looking swing who was to be “the next Dale Murphy.”

Neither Parish, Gonzalez, Mom. Dad or the Tooth Fairy can help this 22 year old MAN in the batter’s box right now. The ball’s squarely in his court and he’ll either adjust and be as good as he can be or he’ll not adjust and, like Francoeur, be wearing a different uniform in the near future as this TEAM has too much promise and options to get sidetracked playing a baby sitter to Heyward.

The ball, literally and figuratively, is in Mr. Heyward’s court!

Bud

August 23rd, 2011
10:31 am

Advanced metrics are a joke. Either you get on base, or you don’t get on base. Keep it simple, maybe someone should say that to Heyward.

Chi Town

August 23rd, 2011
10:32 am

Laughing

August 23rd, 2011
10:33 am

Jason Heyward is highly intelligent and may be “thinking” too much at the plate. Yes, he has had to deal with high expectations and injuries, but I also can’t forget Bobby getting on his case last year about taking too many pitches. J-Hey is a great kid who wants nothing more than to help this team. He has far too much talent to be cast aside as dead wood, particularly at the age of 22. Since any true Braves fan would be pulling for Jason to succeed, let’s hope management helps him get straightened out, be it playing regular for Atlanta or in the minors for a while. Jason needs playing time, not bench time. GO J-HEY! GO BRAVES!

Larry

August 23rd, 2011
10:33 am

Where’s my relevant, non provocative, non inflammatory, non vulgar post, Mark.

This is getting ridiculous and you’re about to lose a customer!

JSS

August 23rd, 2011
10:34 am

There is nothing wrong with Heyward that 1. A real rehab period on that shoulder, 2. Some time away from all of those hitting gurus in the Atlanta dugout that have never fixed one mixed up hitters swing (the list is long), and finally 3. Real confidence in trusting himself in the batters box can’t cure!

benchwarmer

August 23rd, 2011
10:36 am

Yep, Hayward is at that crossroads that comes to all who enter the big league. Once you’ve been around the circuit for a turn or two the opposition begins to have a book on you. Can he adapt and prove his hype.? Welll, maybe. It does seem that there is general agreement that injuries have hurt his swing. If that is the problem then timing is real bad. The answer is that only time can tell. Right now it seems that he is not able to add enough to play regularly. By the way where is McOut?1

carlchamblee

August 23rd, 2011
10:36 am

Agree with those who have correctly pointed out how stupid Bobby Cox was to mess with Heyward’s approach. Then add Chipper (who has missed the equivalent of 2 seasons with owies since 2004) mouthing off publicly about him needing to play hurt.

Great leadership. All Heyward needs is to go somewhere else to flourish but hopefully he can get it straightened out here.

Chase

August 23rd, 2011
10:39 am

What’s wrong is you idiots in the media inflated his ego by making him think he will just coast and be a star. Pitchers have figured out where to pitch him and he hasn’t adjusted again bc last year, you made him the next coming of hank.

carlchamblee

August 23rd, 2011
10:39 am

Cheap, unnecessary, immature, petty shot at Valentine.

Here’s a clue Bradley – if you want to call out jerks try not to be one yourself.

The article and your readers didn’t need that.

Ben

August 23rd, 2011
10:40 am

its his second year, give him some time. hes still young

Tom

August 23rd, 2011
10:40 am

Why do you people continue to bash Frenchy, he was a good kid too(just like JasonH) when he was with us? Comparing the two players, Jeff never hit as low as JasonH(even on his worst year), had more HRS, RBI’s and threw out many base runners from RF attempting that extra base! He continues to do that today, 7 years later. JasonH has never thrown out a base runner, to my knowledge? Get off bashing Frenchy. you couch-potatoes!! Now about JasonH, big league pitchers are over his head at this time, he needs to be at AAA or AA getting 4 or 5 AB’s per game. OJT should be on the farm not at the bigs! That is his best shot at coming out of it? Gartrell at Gwinnett AAA needs to be brought up( I think his BA is .260, 26 HRS, 82 RBI’s) to replace him. We gave Constanza his shot and see how that worked out. Don’t give me that crap about him not being on the 40 man roster, they can make it happen if they wanted to. This is a business, the best players should be on the team and in the field, not some feel-good story about a player!

JENIUS

August 23rd, 2011
10:45 am

Herschel Talker is right.

It was Cox and Pendleton last year that said JH need to stop taking so many pitches because pitchers would start throwing more out of the zone. They drilled it into him to swing for the fences instead of being a line drive hitter

Gman84

August 23rd, 2011
10:46 am

Heyward hasn’t been the same since his first stint on the DL last year. Basically he had a great start to his career and has declined ever since. Is it possible we’ve seen his best already? If he wasn’t so hyped we would never consider him a sure thing based on what we’ve seen.

JSS

August 23rd, 2011
10:51 am

And this garbage sounds like the mess floating around when Darrell Evans was all fouled up at the plate back in 1976. The Braves dumped him and he got back on track in the Bay area before really finding his stride in Detroit…

BoatDoc

August 23rd, 2011
10:51 am

I liked the recent article about Chipper Jones watching Heyward in the cage with Coach Parrish and seeing several things he thought he could improve. My recollection was that Chipper said Jason’s swing was not adaptable – if a pitcher throws a ball in his wheelhouse he can crush it, but the rest of the league scouted that, so balls don’t show up in the Heyward crush zone often.

I looked it up – Carroll Rogers gets the credit:

“By the time he was done talking, the three of them had been in the cage for an hour. Jones had showed Heyward a tee drill trying to encourage him to hit inside the ball, so he can drive even inside pitches up the middle.

“His hands had to be killing him, but he got the gist of what we were saying,” said Jones, who also emphasized using left field. “Guy can hit the ball out of the yard anywhere. He’s got too much talent to be doing what he’s doing. If you’re thinking left center and you get a fastball in, you drop the hands inside and hit a bullet right back up the middle. Good hitters do it all the time.”

This was in New York two weeks ago. Time for a little extra Chipper-Jason BP? Should Chipper negotiate for a “turn Heyward’s swing around unofficial hitting coach” bonus if Jason starts tearing the cover off the ball again?

JENIUS

August 23rd, 2011
10:54 am

Isn’t it a lot more fun watching baseball now that it’s back to hitting, running and good pitching and not steroid ball?

Fans are more turned on by 3-2 scores than 9-7. The league let the steroids go because they thought the homers created more fan interest. WRONG!

Furman Bitcher

August 23rd, 2011
10:55 am

Shuddduppp fool. If Bradley thinks he is a jerk he probably knows for sure.

Obee

August 23rd, 2011
10:55 am

Exactly how do you fix a swing meant for MLB by being sent down and facing AAA pitchers?

carlchamblee

August 23rd, 2011
10:55 am

Jenius – yup and Cox did it publicly. The Great Legend Bobby Cox who was a player’s manager and always defended them and had their backs and would never call them out to the media no matter how poorly they performed.

Imagine a young kid who grew up in the Atlanta area fully aware of all this. He makes it to his hometown team and tears it up, demonstrating a patience and batting eye that even few veterans display. He cools off for the first time, early in his first season, and hears this legendary “player’s manager” telling the world that his approach at the plate needs to completely change, the approach that got Jason to where he is and that he knew in his heart was the right one. The same manager who would stick with a washed up veteran forever and praise the guy endlessly when asked why.

Does anyone thinks that didn’t completely F with his head and his confidence? Please.

Shaun

August 23rd, 2011
10:55 am

Francoeur had red flags in his performance throughout his minor league career, namely that he didn’t walk a lot and he always struck out a lot more than he walked…against minor league pitchers.

No one noticed Francoeur wasn’t that good a player because his RBI totals. But RBI totals are a result of opportunity not necessarily whether a hitter was good.

WinderDawg

August 23rd, 2011
10:56 am

I’ll take Francoeur….

Allan

August 23rd, 2011
10:57 am

Why do people wear their ignorance as a badge of honor? Or, better yet, how do they make a living off it?

Pal Joey

August 23rd, 2011
11:00 am

Instead of sending Heyward back to Gwinnett to let him get his stroke back, the Braves insisted on leaving him in there day after day to become more confused and befuddled with each plate appearance. He obviously has no feel for the plate right now and it would have been much better to send him down and let him work through it outside the glare of major league scrutiny. It’s too late now since Sept. 1 is fast approaching. But if they don’t do something with him the first part of next year, he may very well end up the way Francoeur did and we will have lost a potential talent that showed so much promise last year. You have to wonder about the hitting instruction he is getting here considering what happened to Francoeur and to Uggla the first part of this year. May be pure coincidence, but it does seem very strange. Let’s hope the Braves will work with Jason over the winter and try to salvage his career. He has way too much potential to squander.

welikebaseball2

August 23rd, 2011
11:01 am

Heyward will be fine. Parrish, on the other hand, won’t be fine. Some “fanatic” on here likened Freeman to McCann. Seriously? Already? Freeman’s not even completed a full year in the majors & you already know this? Don’t get me wrong, Freeman looks to be the real deal…& I hope he is. It’s just that lots of players tear it up their first time through the league’s pitching (see Constanza). Please, “fanatics,” reserve the Freeman’s-the-one hype until we see how he fairs next season, after pitchers have had a chance to adjust to him like they have Heyward. Again, I’m hoping for the best, but hold your horses.

DC

August 23rd, 2011
11:03 am

Heyward needs to work with B-Macs buddy who helped him on his swing..Heyward isn’t going to be like this forever..he is in a funk and will get through it.

KP

August 23rd, 2011
11:04 am

Wouldn’t hurt to send him down for a week to Gwinett so he could play everyday and try and get things worked out??

jerry

August 23rd, 2011
11:04 am

He holds his elbows so high and his swing appears to start at 1 o’clock, down to 4 o’clock, and up to 12 o’clock. I have been told the proper trajectory of the bat should be 3-6-9-12. All I know is the last time I saw him bat, there were two fastballs right down the middle, and he swung under both of them.

extremus

August 23rd, 2011
11:07 am

After the way this campaign has gone for Jason Heyward, I can’t help but imagine he’d be playing winter ball to try to get things straightened out. He and the Braves simply have too much to lose if he just uses the time to take a vacation.

Felix Millan

August 23rd, 2011
11:08 am

Shaun – BABIP is useful because things like batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage don’t account for a grounder just out of the reach of an infielder versus a grounder that ends up in an infielder’s glove …

Really? The first one sounds like a hit, the second one sounds like an out. That shows up in the good old-fashioned batting average.

dip payless

August 23rd, 2011
11:10 am

If Heyward doesn’t turn it around it will be interesting to see how much of a short lease is put around him next season. Constanza is not the future of the Braves in RF. Anyway I’m just going to enjoy the remainder of this season and the playoffs. This team is really on a roll right now.

J-bone

August 23rd, 2011
11:11 am

JH hasn’t been the same since the thumb injury last year… the one they said might never fully heal.

AOW

August 23rd, 2011
11:12 am

Before we all push the panic button, let’s not forget slumps happen. As the article said, “Ask Dan Uggla”. As for Heyward, as long as Constanza is playing well he will continue to be part-time and, unlike Dan Uggla, not have a chance to break out anytime soon. I believe he will be fine and will have to adjust to “the adjustments” that were made on him. Personally, I am surprised at the numbers that say he is swinging more and taking less. I thought the opposite and that he should be more aggressive because he can do more damage swinging the bat than walking down to 1st base.
Mentally, I think he has what it takes to get his groove back. After all he did accept platooning/benching for a guy we probably won’t remember after this year.
Comparisons to Francouer are so ridiculous at this stage!
Gonzalez has handled it OK to this point and is playing the hot hand, which has worked, but he also knows the future is with Heyward and he has to get him more AB’s.

WinderDawg

August 23rd, 2011
11:14 am

Anyway Chipper’s or McCann’s father can help him out…or we could send Jerry.

Big Dude

August 23rd, 2011
11:17 am

Could he possibly be trying to live up to the high expectatations placed on him from the fans and media? they’re still showing that commercial with him hitting the balls out of the park and hitting that ragged out car in the parking lot.

noseknows

August 23rd, 2011
11:17 am

This same article and comments could refer to Atlanta native Gordon Beckham of the White Sox.

Um, yeah

August 23rd, 2011
11:19 am

Jason Heyward is the next…Jason Heyward. Not freeman or francouer. He will be alright…the fair-weather fans in this city….unbelievable.

Mike

August 23rd, 2011
11:20 am

Here’s a question I have on BABIP… If an outfielder jumps up and robs a player of a homerun does that count as a “ball in play”. Cuz if it does then a homerun should count. Of course this is baseball and some of the rules don’t make sense (ie on sac fly/bunt that scores a run batter gets a RBI, on an infield hit that scores a run but batter is thrown out at first thats a “fielder’s choice” and no RBI)

hangman

August 23rd, 2011
11:23 am

send the kid to AAA. That’s why it’s there!

foutip

August 23rd, 2011
11:23 am

Say what you want about Francouer, but he just received a two year extension from the Royals. Not a long term contract, but better than the minors or out right release.

Preston

August 23rd, 2011
11:25 am

Jason was sent to the majors too quickly is what’s wrong with Jason. He’ll be fine if given time but I think he should play AAA for a while until he’s really ready.

DC

August 23rd, 2011
11:25 am

people saying send him down…send him down…constanza is injured..missing couple games…so yeah..keep him here.

Over for 2010

August 23rd, 2011
11:27 am

Heyward should have been sent down to AAA Gwinnett a long time ago so he could be helped though this problem. Instead, they keep him on the bench and play him every 5 days. It takes playing time to work out the kinks but Gonzo is doing Heyward wrong. Had he gone to Gwinnett he would have been out of this funk by now. Prolonged by Gonzo. Just like Cox.

jerry

August 23rd, 2011
11:30 am

Would Fredi dare leave him off the playoff roster? He hit 2 singles in 16 at bats and struck out 8 times in last year’s playoff.

Richard Dawson

August 23rd, 2011
11:32 am

What was wrong with Francoeur his second (and successive) seasons? What might be wrong with Freddie Freeman next year? Pitchers figured him out. I love how some kool-aid drinkers I talked to last season said Heyward was a guaranteed sure thing. When I pointed out that people said the same of Francoeur, and even backed it up with quotes from numerous sources around his rookie season, the drinkers still argued with me. Now everyone thinks Freeman is the next Lou Gehrig. Give me a break. I sure hope so, but I doubt it.

Pdog

August 23rd, 2011
11:33 am

Heyward will be fine if people like Chipper and Cox get out of his head. It was Cox last year who said he was taking to many pitches, this at a time when his OBP was almost 400. Then earlier this year Chipper shoots his mouth off about Heyward needing to suck it up and get back on the field even if is shoulder was not 100%. I am sure that Heyward came back to soon and the shoulder screwed up his swing. Now on top of everything else when he gets in there and does have a good game like he did against the mets a few weeks ago Fredi sits him the next day. Time to stop screwing with him and just let him go out and play and work through this the same way they did for Uggla and how they would for Mac or Chipper.

Dirty Dawg

August 23rd, 2011
11:36 am

It is sad to see that the kid is so screwed up with his swing and pitch selection – I mean last night he swung (or is it swang) through pitches right down his, so-called, ‘crush zone’.

I hate Valentine as well, but his comment that night made sense to me…namely that it didn’t appear that Jason had ‘made any adjustments at all in his swing’. Of course BV has no idea what ‘attempts’ have been made, but he, Jason, seems to be doing the same things over and over and, guess what, getting the same results – I’ve heard somewhere that that’s not productive.

Sure hope Chipper will be able to help him out, and it may take the off-season to do so, but to me his swing has what I call a loop in it that doesn’t allow the bat to stay in the ‘hitting’ zone as long as it might…obviously I have no real idea, but as was said, he doesn’t possess that smooth, left-hander’s, swing, ala Darrell Evans, Will Clark and even Chipper. Open his stance, lower his bat (like Chipper’s dad pointed out to him), do something, please, for the kid’s sake and for ours.

wreckbuzz

August 23rd, 2011
11:36 am

The issue I have with BABIP is that it ignores a key factor…how hard did you hit the ball?

If you have a low BABIP but are rolling over grounders to the right side all the time, then saying bad luck plays a part in that is stupid. It’s not like JHey is hitting them right at em all the time. He’s not squaring up the ball like he used to. I’d say the combination of a shoulder injury, Chipper guilting him into coming back, adjusting his mechanics due to pain and feeling a sense of urgency to perform is why he’s out of whack mechanically and mentally. He needs an offseason of health and video work to wipe the slate clean and get back where he was.

Leggo My Ego

August 23rd, 2011
11:36 am

Heyward has been a bust. Freeman has outplayed him 10X. Whatever happened to that “The ball sounds different off his bat” stuff ? Yeah, whenever he actually makes contact…

Terrell

August 23rd, 2011
11:37 am

Man do people on here turn on Heyward or what? If Freeman struggles like this next year, which I hope he doesn’t, are you going to treat him the same way you all are treating Heyward or will you put him in the “Good O’Boy” section with Chipper Jones?

Steve

August 23rd, 2011
11:38 am

Hope I’m not right but the name Brad Komminsk comes to mind. Great baseball body, hyped as the next superstar. It’s rumored that the Braves even passed up a trade with the Pirates for Barry Bonds. I can remember Komminsk swinging in the same plane ni matter where the pitch was and it seemd JH does the same, very mechanical and not a smooth easy swing at all. Let’s hope Chipper works with him in the off season because now is not the time to be making changes.

Drago

August 23rd, 2011
11:40 am

From what I am hearing, Jason needs to be more of a student of baseball and less of a community leader. Some people’s expectations are hurting him.

Josh

August 23rd, 2011
11:42 am

If you send Heyward to the minors, he is ineligible for the postseason if he isn’t on our roster Aug. 31. There are also less than 2 weeks of baseball left in the minors.

jerry

August 23rd, 2011
11:43 am

@Josh…………that could be a good thing.

Josh

August 23rd, 2011
11:46 am

Also, right or wrong, I believe part of the thought process is that the Braves want him there working with Parrish, not in the minors.

Josh

August 23rd, 2011
11:47 am

@jerry,

The way he is playing now, true but who would you use in his place on the bench on the roster that is any better ?

Brad in KY

August 23rd, 2011
11:47 am

Jason Heyward is screwed up because of a clubhouse culture that encourages playing through injuries. He hurt his shoulder and tried to play through it (just like the thumb injury last season) and now his swing is all screwed up as a result of trying to compensate for the injury. Also, I guarantee that shoulder is still bothering him. Until the Braves get a competent medical staff in place and give the players freedom to sit when hurt so they can play at optimal capacity I expect this trend to continue.

Also, BABIP makes perfect sense to anyone that actually cares to think a little about it. Sportswriters, of course, prefer cliche. Much easier to pump out crappy articles full of cliche and the same old vacuous explanations than it is to engage in real analysis.

lee

August 23rd, 2011
11:49 am

Its seems simple to me Heyward did explode in in first year, but that was last year when he noone knew who he was. this year the league adjusted to him, but he seems to REFUSE to make his own adjustments back to the pitching. instead he does things like REFUSE to play ball when he comes off the disabled list!!! and he continues to do the same things at the plate!!! and now he is injury prone!! he is going to be another Chipper Jones that is full of himself and thinks he is ENTITLED not to have to work at his game!! he doenst deserve to be wearing a Braves uniform!!

tdc

August 23rd, 2011
11:49 am

Did anybody see the article where Jason and Parrish was in the cage working on his swing then Chipper comes up and suggest that Heyward start taking the ball the other way? WHAT THE H3LL WAS PARRISH DOING?

http://blogs.ajc.com/atlanta-braves-blog/2011/08/21/jones-encouraging-heyward-to-use-whole-field/

Boo Boo

August 23rd, 2011
11:53 am

It is sad to see what appears to be a young Henry Aaron so dispondent and unable to even hit a foul ball. He was the only Brave listed in the “Top 50 Players” in baseball earlier this year (#50), with only his minor league resume to go on. He has all the tools, but a mind is a terrible thing to waste. He needs to be cleaning toilets in Gwinett until he decides he wants to play pro ball again. Leave him off the playoff roster and bring up some minor leaguer to play right field until Costanza is back.

tmc

August 23rd, 2011
11:55 am

Unfortunately, there is so little time left in the minor league schedule. Sending Heyward down is just not an option right now. It should have been done a few weeks ago, but now it’s too late.
You just got to hope an off-season and fresh start in ‘12 makes a difference.

jerry

August 23rd, 2011
11:56 am

@Josh,

The tv guys mentioned signing Wes Helms, not to take his place on the roster specifically, and if they did, I don’t know if he would be any better.

Johnny at Southlake

August 23rd, 2011
11:56 am

Heyward only need look at Mr.Uggla to KNOW that this can be turned around. Uggla was the worst hitter in baseball a few short months ago. NOW he is the man. Heyward is still a great outfielder,so he can win us games in that way until he comes around

Shaun

August 23rd, 2011
11:59 am

Shaun – BABIP is useful because things like batting average, on-base percentage and slugging percentage don’t account for a grounder just out of the reach of an infielder versus a grounder that ends up in an infielder’s glove …

Really? The first one sounds like a hit, the second one sounds like an out. That shows up in the good old-fashioned batting average.

Felix, that’s the problem. Same batted ball but one time it’s a hit, the other time it’s an error.

Reid in EAV

August 23rd, 2011
11:59 am

Hey, the SABR heads drive me nuts too — the pitfall of having too much information, much of it good, is to think that the game can be understood (and managed) purely by numbers. The elephant in the room is that some things can’t be measured, and the inherent bias of the Sabermetric approach is to think that if it can’t be measured, it doesn’t exist. Ultimately baseball is played on a field by human beings, not on a spreadsheet by formulas.

All that said, I still don’t think that justifies using such a condescending, tongue-in-cheek tone when employing advanced stats. BABIP and other stats like OPS+ and WAR are just ways to understand the game in a deeper, more insightful way. Give credit where it’s due, even if it’s due to pencil-necked geeks. ;)

Shaun

August 23rd, 2011
12:02 pm

Johnny at Southlake, but the Braves don’t like to give Heyward the same benefit of the doubt as Uggla or that Prado got, for that matter. Heyward’s different in their minds for some reason.

Josh

August 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm

@Jerry

Helms won’t be eligible more than likely unless there is an injury to an infielder.

schmeckdawg

August 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm

He’ll get it figured out. Look how long it has taken Francour (sp?) and he just signed a pretty sweet deal with KC.

Shaun

August 23rd, 2011
12:03 pm

Johnny, the Braves don’t want to give Heyward the same chance that Uggla had or that Prado had. I think that’s clear.

Nick P.

August 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm

he clearly needs time in the minors rediscovering what made him a no-miss star on the major league level, just like Francoeur, i dont know why we always are so shy about sending someone down to make him better and have him stick around on a second tour, players in Jason’s position should volunteer this so they can have a career, not look down at the opportunity see it as a negative!

schmeckdawg

August 23rd, 2011
12:04 pm

Better a “blip in his BABIP,” than a blip in his OBGYN!

Heyward grounds out to second

August 23rd, 2011
12:06 pm

Yeah Heyward’s mechanics and approach are a lot different than they were last year. I remember thinking that he was good last year with a lot of potential, but this year, he’s just all over the place. He does pop up a lot, but man he grounds out to second base more than anyone I’ve ever seen.

Hope he gets back on track because we’ll need him without Jose for a few days.

skip

August 23rd, 2011
12:07 pm

What’s wrong with Jason Heyward? It’s simple, really. Opposing pitchers have found his weaknesses and he has been unwilling or unable to make the necessary adjustments. Until he does he will never hit over .250 at the major league level.

dap01

August 23rd, 2011
12:18 pm

Send him to AAA to learn again how to hit. Get a new batting coach.

Braves Fan Since "80

August 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm

Heyward is learning at the Major leauge level…. he is having a bad season…. it was to easy to start but he will be a player…. john mayberry jr is older and struggled andre dawson struggled….. tall guys have a more difficult time adjusting if they have long swings…… he has been in a slump since he looked bad in the playoffs last year….. I say he will work his way back

jayvee

August 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm

I’ve said it before, and Chipper’s recent comments to USA Today about Heyward tend to reinforce the suggestion that the kid has a tiny sweet zone and the pitchers have learned quickly how to keep the ball out of his sweet zone. But the swing is true to the zone, not to where the ball is pitched. I think he needs a new stance and a new approach. It’d start by getting the end of the bat more over his head instead of behind his back. He lunges into the plate at a weird angle, an angle that allows him to generate a lot of power when the ball is in his tiny sweet spot, but an angle that doesn’t allow him to adjust to where the ball is pitched, or where the ball is moving as it gets to the plate. And this, of course, leads to a lot of pop ups and tame grounders. I don’t know how often someone who’s made The Show has had to scrap everything they’re doing at the plate and start from scratch with an entirely new approach, but it seems to me that’s what it’s going to take. And why the Braves haven’t sent him down to begin this re-engineering and retooling process is beyond me. They say the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over but expecting a different result. Heyward probably is not going to be anything more than a .300 onbase guy until the re-engineering is complete, and that might take an entire year. You’re not going to win the pennant with Hayward and Gonzales and the pitcher’s spot sapping the offense at the bottom third of your lineup. (So, thank god for Georgy.) Let’s be honest: Gonzo has been a rally-killer and is one of the worst offensive producers in the majors this year — among everyday players, anyway. I know he’s there for his D, which is awesome, but c’mon. Use your head a little, Gonzo. Don’t give away at bats by swinging at pitches that are a foot outside.

SMITTYSTHEMAN

August 23rd, 2011
12:19 pm

Could it simply be he’s just not the player all the so-called experts predicted he would be? He can hit it a country mile but I’ve never been convinced that he can be a consistent ML hitter. Sorry.

MightyQuinn

August 23rd, 2011
12:20 pm

Hey, Mark, don’t I recall in spring training that the coaching staff stated they were working with Heyward to be more aggressive at the plate? If my memory is correct then it would seem the blame for Jheys loss of the strike zone would have to fall heavily on Parrish and FrediG. Also, the preponderance of new stats in baseball is blowing my feeble 53 year old mind as well. I like the WHIP stat, its simple and makes a great point. WAR, on the other hand, seems a lot like the QB grading scale. Only a few geeks can explain it and/or calculate it, but everyone thinks it infallible and fawns all over it.

submariner

August 23rd, 2011
12:33 pm

He’s lost it and will probably never ascend to greatness. It’s a Franceour re-run. I just hope Freeman doesn’t lose it too. I hate it for him, but he’s probably never going to be a 30/30 guy.

Nick

August 23rd, 2011
12:36 pm

Whatever is wrong, Fredi’s approach to dealing with it is worse. Either play him and let him figure it out in the big leagues or send him to AAA and let him figure it out there. Nothing is being solved by him getting 8-12 AB’s per week.

Primakov

August 23rd, 2011
12:40 pm

Love how people who hate on “advanced” stats don’t actually know what those stats mean, and routinely stick their feet in their mouths. Apparently dumb is the new smart.

FYI you’re being deservedly ripped over at BTF.

Heyward the New Francouer

August 23rd, 2011
12:41 pm

J Hey STINKS….Sinks at the plate……Stinks in the field going after fly balls….It is time to send this MISFIT back to the Minor Leagues…..if he has the talent – and I am not sure he does – he will make it back but no real loss to us right now because HE STINKS UP THE CLUBHOUSE & DUGOUT WITH HIS FUNK!!!!!!! SEND HIM DOWN NOW!!!!!!!!!!!

henry from TN

August 23rd, 2011
12:41 pm

heyward should go down and play winter ball so he may be ready for next year….

Tony

August 23rd, 2011
12:44 pm

The same question was asked of Dan Uggla until July. Heyward is in a serious slump, but he is too talented of a player for the slump to last. Perhaps, just perhaps Heyward will catch the playoff spirit and become one of our heroes in the post season. I believe it is all mental at this point. He needs to take the suggestion of Chipper and just make contact, using all of the field.

Lobosolo

August 23rd, 2011
12:46 pm

Herschel Talker, You speak of idiots as if you know what a huge one yourself is… Pee up a rope, jaggoff… The rest of you armchairs: Not a one of you could come remotely close to hitting a big league pitch… period… Why don’t y’all gather yourselves up and get phil and alexis to drive you over to the batting cages, where the pitches are no higher than 70 mph and you can swing and miss at several for a few quarters… after you’re convinced that “hey, I don’t know jack about hitting”, come on back and give us real fans a little more of your “expertise”… WHAT A BUNCH OF FLIPPIN’ IDJETS!!!!

E's Dirty Bird's

August 23rd, 2011
12:47 pm

It appears as though he has lost all confidence. I also wish he would show a little emotion. This slump should be bothering him and he seems appathetic at all times. I wonder about his mental toughness… he is kind of acting like a puss!

Don't care if he is not available

August 23rd, 2011
12:48 pm

Don’t give a rat’s behind if he is not available for post season – right now he is a strikeout king and a groundball to the second baseman king….not doing us a dang bit of good……Send him down….

b

August 23rd, 2011
12:50 pm

mark, I also think Valentine is one of the most smugh, jerks on tv.
On another note will baseball tonight please quit talking about the yankees
projected pitching rotation for the playoffs. In almost every segment, they predict
what their rotation should be. And I’m sick of it.
They sure as heck don’t discuss the other playoff teams rotations.

ANTOINEFORD

August 23rd, 2011
12:52 pm

Vallentine’s right. His swing is screwy

Bob in SF

August 23rd, 2011
12:53 pm

Mark, I thought you were above old school, ink-stained wretch, curmudgeonly rants against sabermetrics. I honestly think J-Hey has expanded his zone for a couple of reasons; one he is so young that umpires don’t always give him the benefit of a doubt and call borderline pitches for the pitcher. Two, he has struggled this year and it has cause him to be less patient and more aggressive. He will be fine eventually but wih the rise of Constanza and an outside shot to catch the Phils it’s tough to let him work it out.

BoatDoc

August 23rd, 2011
12:53 pm

Yep, time to throw out the future faces of the franchise with the bathwater…

Not.

Heisenberg

August 23rd, 2011
12:53 pm

In addition to the % infield pop-ups increasing and % line-drives decreasing, what is his WGBHA2B rate compared to 2010? That seems higher also. A high WGBHA2B will contribute to a lower BABIP.

WGBHA2B = weak ground balls hit at 2nd base

Rev. Jesse Jackson

August 23rd, 2011
12:54 pm

Its obviously a racial issue in Atlanta.

Two-thirds of the season two fair-haired caucasions named McLouth & Schafer battle it out hitting a combined .200 before a person of color named Constanza with no credentials or promise to speak of, breaks through the glass ceiling created by Braves’ management.

Now, the young African-American Heyward experiences a sophmore slump and gets benched.

In 2009 the caucasion Kelly Johnson was playing secondbase and hitting .200 for half the season, gets hurt, and Venezuelan Martin Prado takes over, finding himself in the All-Star game in 2010.

Not only is Braves’ management racist, they’d rather keep a bunch of .200 hitting crackers in the lineup and lose than give a brother a chance.

They should be the Atlanta Crackers !

Primakov

August 23rd, 2011
12:55 pm

Hearing that scouts think his shoulder is nowhere near healed.

J Hey's Better (Than This)

August 23rd, 2011
12:56 pm

And once again the ” TRUE” BANDWAGONEERS come out to play come on people if you cant tell that this kid is pressing I dont know what to tell you look at the walk ratio from last year to this year the kid is clearly uncomfortable at the plate and that shoulder problem has everthing to do with it. 3 months ago Uggla was run out of town and now everyone loves the guy. Jason just needs to figure it out and he WILL figure it out there is toooooo much talent there for him not to and the Frenchy to JHEY comparison is a joke Jeff Francouer was a football player trying to play baseball Jason Heyward IS a baseball player and he will be in right field for a long time

rfgh

August 23rd, 2011
12:57 pm

I cringe when I look at the comments of most of the bloggers here. No wonder the rest of the country thinks we’re idiots. Bashing Bobby Cox? He’s going into the Hall of Fame, inbred cretins. And criticising Fredi Gonzalez? Took over a playoff team that is even better this year. You guys would complain about a free meal.

J Hey's Better (Than This)

August 23rd, 2011
12:58 pm

And why do people always have to make it a “RACE” thing I dont care if Jason Heyward was Blue he isnt playing very well right now at all so lets leave the racial crap outta this blog

bc

August 23rd, 2011
12:58 pm

Mark, Valentine is indeed a smug,jerk.
On another note, baseball tonight needs to quit discussing the Yankees
predicted playoff pitching rotation. They bring it up almost EVERY segment. Sickening!

oldfart

August 23rd, 2011
12:59 pm

I would prefer that someone look into the statistics of sophomore jinxes that seem to crossover to all sports. I would submit that the cause is more mental than physical.

Primakov

August 23rd, 2011
12:59 pm

Well, Atlanta doesn’t really care about baseball anyway (they have a hard time selling out PLAYOFF games), so I’m not surprised that many of the comments here are of the Neanderthalic moron variety.

Primakov

August 23rd, 2011
1:00 pm

@J Hey: Pretty sure the race thing was a joke.

stats are dumb

August 23rd, 2011
1:00 pm

Last year Heyward hit the ball very hard, very often. This year he’s a cheap out. Comparatively, Freddie is pounding the ball and he isn’t a cheap out. That’s all that matters. Uggla started to slowly come around when he started hitting the ball hard again. Even when he made an out, he was hitting the ball hard, only he hit it right at somebody. A lot of that is just dumb luck, but as a hitter, you know good things are on the horizon as long as you hit the ball hard. Heyward has lost that feeling. Last year he had a swagger. This year, his game has gotten away from him and he’s trying to hard to get it back. He needs to start having fun again.

kirkinga

August 23rd, 2011
1:02 pm

The same people telling us that Jason Heyward is a “bust” are the very same people who said the same thing about Kris Medlen when he struggled after he was hyped. Bottom line is the Braves don’t have a stable of young outfielders to count on, and so Heyward is going to get more than a few seasons to prove that he is at least a good player.

The idea that he must be a superstar or a bust, is not a fair standard. He can help this team by just being average.

J Hey's Better (Than This)

August 23rd, 2011
1:03 pm

Yeah but racial jokes of inequality are nothing to joke about this country for one has been through enough of that crap.

Chief Martin Brody

August 23rd, 2011
1:04 pm

I think we’re going to need a bigger bat.

J Hey's Better (Than This)

August 23rd, 2011
1:04 pm

Im still teed off at the Francouer comparisons they are giving to Jason Heyward. LMAO you gotta be kidding me!

stats are dumb

August 23rd, 2011
1:05 pm

@rfgh — AMEN.

JoeFan

August 23rd, 2011
1:05 pm

Heyward seems to have a good attitude and appears teachable. Send him to AAA and let him work on a daily basis until he gets things sorted out. Maybe in a season or two he will be ready to return. Until then the Braves have Costanza and another outfielder at AAA (Gartrell) that they can replace Heyward with.

the race card

August 23rd, 2011
1:06 pm

Don’t play me, dawg. I ain’t got time for you fools.

Really?

August 23rd, 2011
1:07 pm

@JoeFan — Dumb idea. He was ready last year. He doesn’t need “a year or two” in AAA ball. He needs to get his mojo back.

Old Gold

August 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm

Another Frenchie! Trade him!!!

J Hey's Better (Than This)

August 23rd, 2011
1:08 pm

Got stuck listening to the Cubs broadcasters yesterday I almost fell asleep during the game. All they talked about is how Sterling Castro wasnt paying attention to the game while on the field sounds the the Cubs all year except when they are trying to hit opposing batters

bigbrave

August 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm

Just write it off as the sophmore jinx!! Jason will figure it out and be a great player – hopefully with the braves!

J.J.M.

August 23rd, 2011
1:09 pm

I say give him one more year if he sucks it up again trade him so he can get a new start somewhere else

Fantasy Nut

August 23rd, 2011
1:10 pm

Just because I dropped J-Hey off my team doesn’t mean I don’t still love him. But business is business.

Creaky

August 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm

It’s Bobby’s fault, He told him to be more aggressive shortly after he got the call-up.He has not been the same since.

stats are dumb

August 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm

@bigbrave — AMEN again.

Leggo My Ego

August 23rd, 2011
1:11 pm

I mean having Heyward on bench like he’s a HOFer or something is crazy. He’s young and needs to be playing every day making adjustments. Just not with the Braves,at Gwinnett.

Appalachia Brave

August 23rd, 2011
1:12 pm

Ease up on Hayward…He’s still learning the game. Give him some time,he’s gonna be great. What was Uggla doing at 22?

Da Man

August 23rd, 2011
1:13 pm

I hope he figures things out. Another big bat along with Uggla and McCann would be incredible. I just wonder if he’ll be able to pull out of the tail spin given the fact that any change will be noticed by pitchers and they’ll adapt accordingly.

Smarty Pants

August 23rd, 2011
1:13 pm

I told all of you that Heyward was another Michael Tucker 2 months ago. And he’s supposed to be another Hank Aaron ? He couldn’t carry Hank’s jock strap…

Gwinnett

August 23rd, 2011
1:13 pm

Look, I am not the answer. Big leaguers need to stay in the Show.

Smarty Pants

August 23rd, 2011
1:15 pm

Playing twice per week is no good for a very young player with a lost swing.

Hank’s jock strap

August 23rd, 2011
1:15 pm

It’s true. I am heavy. And smelly.

Minor Leaguer

August 23rd, 2011
1:16 pm

Jason belongs with me.

J Hey's Better (Than This)

August 23rd, 2011
1:17 pm

OKKKKK FOR EVERYONE OUT THERE THE LAST GAME AT GWINNETT IS SEPTEMBER 5TH that gives him not even two weeks to do something. I dont know how that is going to help him.

Jason's Jock Strap

August 23rd, 2011
1:17 pm

Me & Jason belong in minor leagues. I ain’t worth toting.

stats are dumb

August 23rd, 2011
1:18 pm

@Smarty Pants — Right you are … BUT … you gotta play that hot hand. I think Fredi is using Constanza to light a fire under Heyward.

True Blue

August 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm

You are right. Its too late to send him to Gwinnett now. But Braves were wrong to let him sit on bench last 2 months and do nothing.

Rev. Jesse Jackson

August 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm

Sending Jason Heyward to the Republican bastion of Gwinnett County would be the worst thing Braves’ management could do. Atlanta is a Chocolate City and the support Jason needs is found there.

Keep hope alive, Atlanta !

stats are dumb

August 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm

Maybe J-Hey should play some winter ball. Hell, it works for Prado. I’m sure Martin can get him a gig down there.

Josh

August 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm

I am a school ball coach. I am not an expert but I am pretty good at this.

Heyward is pulling balls that are outside. He did it last year and it didn’t kill him. Pitchers have advanced scouting reports and know he will try to pull the outside pitch. When he does, it results in a weak ground ball or a pop out. I mean, really has he not hit several weak grounders back at the pitcher off the end of the bat?

Getting off to a rough start is not something he has done before really. It got into his head and now he is pulling off the ball worse, trying to knock it out of the park to break out of his funk. What he has to do is be less agressive going after pitches. He needs to wait on a mistake middle of the plate in to jump on and leave those outside pitches to late in the count when he can take a little off and go with the pitch.

I could be off base, but that is what I am seeing.

JASon

August 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm

“from Bobby Valentine, who’s a jerk, and Chipper Jones, who’s not”

For me its the other way around. I guess that’s why you are so clueless and have no hypothesis as to why Jason Heyward is struggling. Let me help you since you obviously don’t watch baseball:

-He stands four states away from the plate
-He doesn’t know how to hit to the opposite field

groundfog

August 23rd, 2011
1:19 pm

Basaball is littlered with potential superstars who declined after their rookie seasons, and never made it back. It would be intetesting to see some players stats who made it back successfully after the sophmore slump.

Josh

August 23rd, 2011
1:20 pm

A nagging shoulder issue also messes with mechanics so he has the mental aspects and the physical aspects of messy, jerking mechanics.

Bart

August 23rd, 2011
1:20 pm

Heyward has the weirdest practice swing I’ve ever seen – it’s like he pushes the bat away from his body as he swings – looks so awkward. His swing at the plate is hardly a thing of beauty – never looked like he was a natural hitter even when he was going relatively well last year. It appears from here to be flawed mechanics which major league pitchers learn to take advantage of in a heartbeat.

True Blue

August 23rd, 2011
1:20 pm

If not playing is so great then why did the send Teheran and Delgado back to Gwinnett ? AND THEY HAVE SHOWN THEY ARE READY TO BE mlb PLAYERS WHILE jASON (WHO’S IN aTLANTA) HASN’T ?

Mental Giant

August 23rd, 2011
1:23 pm

Heyward is just like Francoeur! Get it!? HAHAHAHA! I’m so smart! Send JHey to Gwinett at the end of the year to face mediocre pitching! Yeah, that’s it! How much time are we gonna give this guy?? MORE THAN ONE YEAR?? Ridiculous!!! Get him outta here, and send both him and Uggla to triple A and then trade them!…Oh wait, Uggla is hitting again?? I knew it!!! I love Uggla! JHey is the new Francouer! Get it? HAHAHA I’m hilarious and informed!

stats are dumb

August 23rd, 2011
1:23 pm

@Josh — You’re the smartest man in the room. Seriously. I see him doing the same stuff you see. He’s all backwards right now. He’s actually swinging at bad pitches and MISSING the mistakes that pitchers make. I’ve seen him take a lot of pitches up in the zone and over the plate in hitter’s counts, only to strike out on a pitcher’s pitch that is well outside the zone. You’re preaching to the choir, brother. And I’m listening.

True Blue

August 23rd, 2011
1:23 pm

If Jason can sit on bench so can Tejeran & Delgado who are better players than he is.

Teheran and Delgado

August 23rd, 2011
1:24 pm

We can’t play right field … YET.

True Blue

August 23rd, 2011
1:25 pm

Bobby Valentine was just man enough to say the truth that all you Braves homers can’t admit. Jason is not a major leaguer by the numbers. The Braves just hope he sells tickets.

Tha Troof

August 23rd, 2011
1:26 pm

Bobby V needs to go back to Japan.

Constanza

August 23rd, 2011
1:26 pm

But I can. And I start over Jason right now. Why send Teheran & Delgado to minors and keep Linebrink,Sherrill,& Vavardo here ?

Tha Troof

August 23rd, 2011
1:28 pm

Who the hell is Vavardo?

Double Zero Eight

August 23rd, 2011
1:29 pm

No confidence and he’s pressing too hard.
This too shall pass (hopefully)!

groundfog

August 23rd, 2011
1:29 pm

Bart..

It looks like he is always slices at the ball..maybe its cause he is so tall..but the results this year speak for themselves.

like a tennis slice backhand

Bobby Valentine

August 23rd, 2011
1:30 pm

I’ve saw phenoms develop into stars like David Wright and Jose Reyes that I managed. I think Jason Heyward is another Michael Tucker…

Josh

August 23rd, 2011
1:30 pm

I don’t have any info, but I wonder if the Braves aren’t sending him down because it would seem a PR disaster to some who show up to the games or if JHey has said he doesn’t want to go down…. Frenchy was ticked when we did. Wonder if that plays into it?

Tha Troof

August 23rd, 2011
1:30 pm

And Sherrill has been pretty effective as of late.

Johnny at Southlake

August 23rd, 2011
1:31 pm

If Mr.Uggla can turn it around………….Then so can Mr.Heyward………….That is all

Nate McLouth

August 23rd, 2011
1:31 pm

I wanna play too !

Nate McLouth

August 23rd, 2011
1:32 pm

I’m better than Michael Bourn. I’ll show you.

Nate McLouth's dreams

August 23rd, 2011
1:33 pm

You don’t even play as well as Bourn in my world.

Nate McLouth

August 23rd, 2011
1:34 pm

Vavardo is your daddy.

Michael Tucker

August 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm

Boy, that Jason Heyward reminds me of myself at 22. Maybe he will get as good as I was some day.

Dear Atlanta Braves fans:

August 23rd, 2011
1:36 pm

We think Heyward is doing just fine.

Sincerely,
The economy, the Democrats and lowered expectations.

Larry A

August 23rd, 2011
1:39 pm

Jason’s head is messed up which is indicated by the strike zone discipline going crazy. Cox tells him he is taking too many pitches, Gonzalez tells him he is swinging at too many. And he is getting advice from so many people, he does not know what to do. Unlike Francoeur, this is not physical (Francoeur put on too much muscle).

I think a break is the best thing for him and Constanza is giving him that. Constanza has been an amazing gift of fortune for Heyward. The pressure is off. There is someone else to play his position while he gets it figured, and he will.

Constanza is not a long term solution in RF, not enough power. He is a CF and I think the braves are committed to Bourn in CF so Constanza is a man without a position. If he has a .330 or better BA at the end of the season, look for the Braves to trade him like they did with Charles Thompson.

FACTS

August 23rd, 2011
1:41 pm

Just another media moron with a laptop & too much free time, Jason is in a slump due to pressing. Remember all those injuries that this team has fought thru this year, not to mention his own injury. Every single player great or terrible has had a slump….some just a lot longer, as far as mechanics go that is something for the staff to guide this youngster thru. If there is any example J-Hey can learn from, it is right in front of him in the form of Dan Uggla. Baseball is the most humbling sport out there, next to golf, so some patience is in order…..J-Hey is gonna get thru it….Go Braves !!!!

Dr Henry

August 23rd, 2011
1:41 pm

jason reminds me of another Braves phenom who never quite lived up to the hype ANDRUW JONES

Jeff

August 23rd, 2011
1:43 pm

For the benefit of his career, send him down for a couple of weeks, where he can play everyday and hopefully get his swing/confidence back, with less pressure. Its not doing him any good with an at bat here and there, its making him worse.

quazi

August 23rd, 2011
1:46 pm

hey morons did u know it is a felony to use someone name without there permission,keep it up i will have your ip address to the authorities

dee

August 23rd, 2011
1:48 pm

facts

i like to see you get out of your mamas basemnent to say that to mark in person,pathetic loser

deep

August 23rd, 2011
1:52 pm

send him to aaa,then trade him another loser who tweets all the time,he was on roids last year now he is off the drugs,c what happens?ask jordan schafer

NO AAA

August 23rd, 2011
1:57 pm

The Braves were in a hurry to get Heyward on the ML roster, so he skipped AAA. He did well until the pitchers found his weaknesses. He has not been able to adjust to ML pitching. Skipping AAA has really hurt him. AAA Gwinnett should be his next stop and give him time to learn how to adjust to big league pitching. He still can be a great player. Heck, he is only 20. Teach him the game and let him learn it at a more comfortable level. Confidence at the plate is hard to build if you have no experience at how to adjust. Every hitter is different and must find out what works for them. Send him to AAA and let him figure out what works for him.

FACTS

August 23rd, 2011
1:59 pm

@ Larry A
Great example about the changing of the guard from Cox to Gonzalez. This is the same thing that happens in the NFL different approaches by different people. This kid does not deserve to be compared to Andruw Jones, he doesn’t even have 2 full seasons under his belt yet, nuff said. Any real fan is not ready to toss this guy over over a cliff just yet, it simply amazes me how some ATL fans are just plain cut-throat, these other fans never diss their players the way we do here in ATL. You guys crack me up!!!! Philly is not as bad as ATL, just check the blogs!!!

dip payless

August 23rd, 2011
1:59 pm

Dr Henry

August 23rd, 2011
1:41 pm
jason reminds me of another Braves phenom who never quite lived up to the hype ANDRUW JONES
********************************************************************************************************************
You really believe Andruw did not live up to his hype. He was the best all around centerfielder for many years. The best one the Braves had ceen in a while for sure. Seems like he aged early but he had some great years.

Michael Tucker

August 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm

Yeah with friends like Constanza that takes Heyward’s job away who needs enemies ?

ChrisfromSacramento, Ca

August 23rd, 2011
2:00 pm

There is nothing wrong with Hurtward. The fact is he is not that good and his swing that he has had his whole life is a chop wood, one plane swing.

The scouts and teams have found him out and Hurtward has shown no willingness to adjust or he is just a fool. I mean how dumb can you be to still keep sliding head first. STUBBORN!

Hurtward will never be good or even as good as Jeff. Jeff was awful!!! That is sad.

People think Hurtward is some hope to save the word like another masiah but he is not. A fourth outfielder at best who cant catch balls he is going back on.

Hurtward is a bust. Heyward suclks. Trade his lazy, cant make adjustments ass and get something for him.

He has the most god awful ugly swing in baseball.

Dr. Henrietta

August 23rd, 2011
2:01 pm

Jason reminds me of Terry Harper.

DawgDad

August 23rd, 2011
2:02 pm

Heyward, at this point, is a pull-hitting power hitter with a good eye at the plate. Given that he’s 22 years old and in a slump, I take the Ted Williams approach and tell him to take his natural swing, and swing hard. Stop trying to be what everybody else thinks you should be and just play hard and stay alert.

Constanza is a hot hand, so ride it out. Heyward will be playing now because of the ankle, and at some point when he comes back Constanza will eventually come back to earth, too. A .250 hitting Jason Heyward is far more valuable than a .300 hitting Constanza.

Dr. Henrietta

August 23rd, 2011
2:04 pm

Did you know quasi is Chinese for wuss ?

captguitarman

August 23rd, 2011
2:04 pm

I was a really good hitter in 9 years of Little League and into my high school years that stretched into my high school years. Of course, like all good hitters, I had my slumps. My tried and true remedy was to get a rubber baseball, stick a screw through it, bolt it, and then tie the screw to a rope about 15 to 16 feet long, and then have someone swing it in a circle, over a home plate. And then take batting practice. If you were not following the ball with your eyes intensely, all the way to contact, you were going to miss a lot. It required intense focus to hit the fast coming ball, which to me, was actually harder to hit than a pitched ball. And the focus on the ball and ball alone, did wonders for helping me hit breaking balls, sliders, etc. or leaving them alone. The guy swinging the ball could do slow, fast, change up speed (breaking balls were not possible, of course) and he could swing the ball high, middle, or low, and I could take a normal stance at the plate, or step up, or step back. I helped me to focus only on the ball and to practice hitting balls in every part of the strke zone. Old fashioned, even-primitive and low tech, Laugh all you want, but it worked wonders for getting out of slumps and improving my hitting when I wasn’t in a slump. Try it. You’ll see.

Moe

August 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm

I don’t think Triple A is the answer. He’s seeing the ball well. For a guy documented on being able to see the spin on a ball, he has a lot of late swings and pulls off more than he should. Furthermore, that uppercut swing is ridiculous. If he levels off his swing and shows more patience at the plate he will pull a Dan Uggla. If not, there will be more blogs about what’s wrong with him.

Mitchell

August 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
10:01 am

Freddie Freeman is a rookie like Jason was last year. Let’s hold off on the soon to be 6 time all star talk.

Jason is having a bad year, he’s not a bad player.

You might be able to say that if his defense wasn’t at times equally bad. Or, in fact, often.

Or just… as bad.

He may not be a bad player but he’s not a very good player at the moment either.

But thank God we finally have a manager who plays guys who give the team the best chance to win each night. Otherwise, we might not be 8.5 up on the wild card.

Dr. Henrietta

August 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm

Chris, its messiah. Did you finish 7th grade ?

Tree rollins

August 23rd, 2011
2:05 pm

Atlanta has been without a good hitting coach for years – the players are on their own to groom their hiiting. Thus the Franceour and Hayward situations. Chipper and McCann have their fathers as their hitting coaches!

joliet jim

August 23rd, 2011
2:06 pm

j heys probably more hurt than letting on is 1 reason. 2 its his hands he needs to keep them up,in and back..start trying what freeman did when he started hitting “stay up the middle”

captguitarman

August 23rd, 2011
2:06 pm

Now I’m just a loser on a blog all day. I still play softball with 70 year old women sometimes.

George Constanza

August 23rd, 2011
2:06 pm

It’s shrinkage. Haven’t you ever heard of shrinkage!

captguitarman

August 23rd, 2011
2:08 pm

“I helped me to focus only on the ball and to practice hitting balls in every part of the strke zone.”

If you say so. English please.

BravesFan

August 23rd, 2011
2:08 pm

You really cannot even compare the success of Jeff Francouer and Jason Heyward. For example for Francouer:
2005 .300 average in 70 games 14 HR, 45 RBI
2006 . 260 average in 162 games 29 HR, 103 RBI
2007 .293 average in 162 games, 19 HR, 105 RBI
2008 .239 average in 155 games, 11 HR, 71 RBI

Now take into account that Francouer was a free swinger who had lot’s of strikeouts. In 2009 the Braves felt he had lost confidence and mechanics and traded him. This year in 474 plate appearances he has only struck out 99 times, still high but he is hitting .275, 15 HR and 67 RBI’s with 19 SB’s and has a great assit record for outfielders, one of the best in the majors. This was enough to get him a 2 year, 14M contract extension with the Royals.

I believe Heyward has great promise, but you cannot play a player that is a burden in the lineup. He has to get his head straight first and foremost. Does Heyward have heart? Based upon Chipper’s comments when Heyward was sittiing because of an undiagnosed shoulder injury, Chipper said everyone plays with pain, and even though not referring directly to him, everyone knows what he meant. Also, Heyward has made a good many errors in right field this year as well. Only time will tell, but I don’t see him as a Francouer, he’s not that good.

Jeff Francoeur

August 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm

Shouldn’t have got rid of me. Rifle arm, good for 90 RBIs this year and I’m batting 50 points higher than your next Henry Aaron.

ChrisfromSacramento, Ca

August 23rd, 2011
2:09 pm

Blah Blah Blah,

All you excuse makers and apologist. Comparing Hurtward to Uggla is stupid.

captguitarman

August 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm

I play guitar on my sailboat.

ChrisfromSacramento, Ca

August 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm

Look at the back of Ugglas baseball card there is a track record. Heyward had two good months. Heyward is a bust. Sooner you all deal with it the sooner I hope the Braves get rid of him

BravesFan

August 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm

BTW,,Francouer actually in his career is a .270 hitter, with 116 HR’s and 532 RBI’s. On HR’s that is approx 8 behind McCann and on RBI’s he actually has 16 more in his career. It’s a good comparison considering they began in the same month in the same year. In my opinion they gave up on Francouer way too early.

Nolee

August 23rd, 2011
2:10 pm

Braves should trade Heyward.

Nate McOut

August 23rd, 2011
2:13 pm

If you’re going to kick me to the curb Fredi, I wish you would just get it over with. I’ll go back to Pittsburgh where I’m appreciated. McCutcheon, watch out, that’s my centerfield!

Average White Fan

August 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm

Hey Jesse, if Atlanta is a chocolate city, how about telling some of the chocolates to buy tickets for a change. All I see is white pasty faces in the stands.

Purveyor

August 23rd, 2011
2:16 pm

I think we have encountered the Ghost of Francoeur Past.

T.J.

August 23rd, 2011
2:17 pm

Nolee, if you want to give up one of the best young players in the game then go ahead. Effin idiot

BravesFan

August 23rd, 2011
2:17 pm

Francouer’s HR and RBI’s for his career are almost exactly what Brian McCann has. His batting average is .20 lower, McCann .290 and Francouer .270. McCann career HR’s 132 with 524 RBI’s. Francouer has 116 career HR’s and 532 RBI’s. Makes you think huh? They started in the same month in the same year together. And pretty close for a bust many think Francouer is huh?

FACTS

August 23rd, 2011
2:17 pm

@ dee

Spare me your idiotic comments about ” your mamas basement ” that is so last year…..anyway, {dingbat dee}, since you are on Bradley bandwagon so bad I will clarify my comment…I actually read Dayn Perry’s article on ESPN’s insider last night & was referring to that moron for your information…you are a prime example of just about every idiotic Atlanta fan out there whether it is football, baseball, or basketball !!!! You blog before you think….also Mark & several other writers on the AJC staff have been known to drop a stupid article frequently & not any them puts any fear in my heart I say to their face anytime any place….so stop being a groupie & blogging from your cubicle about your idols….we are talking baseball here {dingbat dee} !!!!!!

BravesFan

August 23rd, 2011
2:18 pm

Heyward isn’t even 1/2 as good as Francouer was and is. Look above for the stats.

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
2:20 pm

Heywards timing is off and he’s twenty freaking two. Bust? Are you people serious?

He had a shoulder injury this year and his mechanics at this level are not right…. but players don’t go from near rookie of the year to off the map in less than a year without some issues.

We had to be patient with Uggla now be patient with Heyward. Geez.

NoWay

August 23rd, 2011
2:22 pm

PMC,

Uggla has proven himself for 6 years, Heyward was slipping like a rock since last July.

NoWay

August 23rd, 2011
2:23 pm

Look at the difference between Heyward and Freeman. One has total cofidence and looks like someone that has been in the league 10 years, and the other looks totally lost. Guess who is who.

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
2:23 pm

He’s a second year major league player he’s had several nagging injuries and the league has figured out how to pitch him now he’s got to learn how to adjust his mechanics. Give it a rest.

Heyward's shrink

August 23rd, 2011
2:24 pm

PMC, Major League History is replete with one year wonders as I have been patiently explaining to young Jason during our sessions. I don’t need you to get his hopes up just to have them dashed. So what if 20 years from now he will be featured in “what ever happened to segments”. All that matters is Jason coming to grips to a life without baseball and finding happiness.

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm

He was what 20 when he came up? Who else do they have in the organization?

It’s not like Frank Wren has been brilliant exactly with the OF.

We’re lucky Constanza can play and Prado can play anywhere.

T.J.

August 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm

Its amazing to me how stupid some people are. Trade J-Hey. Hes a bust. No wonder Philly fans laugh at us. This is the worse fan base. J-Hey is no frenchy hes 22 and this is his 2nd year. pitchers adjusted to him now he has to adjust to them. He will be just fine. And I guess when Freeman goes through his sophmore slump next year were all going to hate him.

NoWay

August 23rd, 2011
2:25 pm

PMC, I am totally pulling for Heyward so don’t get me wrong. We need him to be what we think he can be for years to come. But those comparing him to Francouer as BravesFan above points out are wrong. Heyward hasn’t had 1/2 the success of Francouer and everyone was wanting to call him a bust and kick him out of town, and all he did was drive in runs.

Mental Giant

August 23rd, 2011
2:27 pm

Francouer is awesome! I want him back! I call Heyward Hurtward, isn’t that brilliant!? HAHAHA I MAKE A JOKE!! Uggla has a baseball card! That’s where I get all my baseball knowledge: baseball cards! Trade Hurtward before we get a chance to see how good he is! Hurry! I want Frenchy back! Even though I hated him while he was here!

Nolee

August 23rd, 2011
2:27 pm

Bobby Cox “That kid Heyward,when he hits the ball it just sounds different”. Yeah like a swoosh, cuz he missed it.

Tom

August 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm

BravesFan – I agree 110% with your comments. I really get tired of some of you nut- cases (who probably never played the sport)saying over and over JasonH has so much talent he will get over it, or it is just a sophomore slump. Face facts- Last year he had a .277 BA, 520 AB’s, 18 HRS, 72 RBI’s, 128 SO’s, that is about 1 strikeout every 4 AB’s. That is decent numbers not the 2nd coming of Mickey Mantle! Get real people, maybe it is too much pressure on some hometown players, it may have affected JasonH just like it did Frenchy at some point?? Maybe?? It did not seem to bother McCann though!!

Nolee

August 23rd, 2011
2:28 pm

Its pretty bad when Jeff Francoeur has better numbers than Heyward does…

NoWay

August 23rd, 2011
2:29 pm

BTW, Francoeur was barely 21 when he was called up. Quit using that as an excuse for Heyward.

Ray Barone

August 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm

This is what happens when you join the Braves. You tend to fizzle toward the end.

Nolee

August 23rd, 2011
2:30 pm

It didn’t bother Chipper or Andruw either. Heyward just ain’t that good. Face it.

Hitting Coach

August 23rd, 2011
2:31 pm

It’s all in the mechanics…it’s obvious to me that he’s bringing his hands further back during his swing and bending his legs more than last year (during his swing.) Bringing his hands further back causes him to slow his swing down (and strikeout) and the extra bend in the knees is causing him to get under the ball and pop it up. When he actually keeps the bend in his knees normal then he tends to get on top of the ball and hit bouncers straight into the ground or foul balls that somehow just miss his back foot and go behind him. Get right kid and good luck.

Nolee

August 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm

I’m sure the great Larry Parrish will ge Heyward back on track.

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm

This is the very first time in Jason Heyward’s life he’s dealt with adversity athletically. Sometimes it takes this kind of experience for a young player to understand what he’s got to do in order to succeed. It took Jeff Francouer 2 seperate teams worth of being lost at the plate to finally put it back together in Kansas City. Francouer is nowhere near as good a right fielder as Francouer defensively, but he’s got to figure it out at the plate. That may take more than a couple of months.

Willie

August 23rd, 2011
2:32 pm

I have never seen so many experts on how to hit a baseball. Wow, you guys should be playing.

Astro Boy

August 23rd, 2011
2:33 pm

Nloee : Bobby Cox “That kid Heyward,when he hits the ball it just sounds different”. Yeah like a swoosh, cuz he missed it.

That was funny right there.

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm

It’s not an excuse for Heyward. Francouer whined and cried his way out of Atlanta because he got butt hurt when he struggled for 3 years and missed out on the same contract that McCann signed because his agent thought he deserved more. It was his own fault he got traded out of Atlanta. He didn’t want to be here anymore.

Astro Boy

August 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm

Well Parrish IS getting paid to instruct Braves hitters.

dtanner

August 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm

some prospects just never pan out,jordan schafer,tony tarasco, mike kelly all the way back to brad komminsk,just happens sometimes

PMC

August 23rd, 2011
2:34 pm

Substitute Heyward for Francouer above. Heyward is not as good of a RF as Francouer.

Curt

August 23rd, 2011
2:35 pm

Heyward does not have good swing mechanics. He is far to tall in his stance, leads with his arms (vs legs), swing is too long (hands not inside (close to the body), dips his back shoulder, pulls his head…and other things.

In addition to not having a good swing, major league pitchers find the holes in swings and exploit them. It is a batter’s job to 1) minimize the hole and 2) adjust to what the pitchers are doing.

Last, hitting is very pyschological. To hit best, the batter needs to be able to relax and react.

When things start going bad, hitters start trying to adjust their mechanics and about everything else which in turn affects their head which affects their swing.

Unless Heyward can employ better mechanics and learn to adjust to the pitching, I dont see him getting much better.

On the other hand is Freeman who has very good mechanics. I am sure that when he gets into a slump, he will be able to get out of it much easier than Heyward.

Tom

August 23rd, 2011
2:36 pm

MentalGiant – How appropriate that name is for you!!! Now go back to your padded cell, break-time is over for you. Frenchy just signed a two year deal with KC for 13.5 million(that is 6.75 million a year for you math guys) and my bet is he would not want to come back. He seems happy in KC, good for him!!!!!!!!!!!!

Astro Boy

August 23rd, 2011
2:36 pm

Yeah but those prospects get sent back to the minors. They don’t take up a MLB roster spot.

gt4ever

August 23rd, 2011
2:37 pm

Jason never mastered the strike zone… Pitching is always KING…. The pitchers have just figured his swing out…. He is a good baseball player, given time he will be back… All you experts need to consider why there are a handful of hitters to ever hit over 300 lifetime…. Give the kid a chance before we send him the AAA….

Casey Stinkle

August 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm

Heyward is not struggling nearly as bad as Uggla was and look how that turned out. Like someone said earlier, he might be the WS MVP.

GT

August 23rd, 2011
2:45 pm

Frenchy all over again. Freeman ends up being McCann. At least we get a real player out of the deal. Everytime we have had a can’t miss they have missed and the one on one is talking about in that same year becomes an allstar.

The Dude

August 23rd, 2011
2:46 pm

Two things wrong with Heyward. One his swing mechanics are messed up. He’s standing way off the plate then diving into pitches…to clear his hips he’s pulling his shoulders out which is either causing his bat to drag which is causing the infield pops or he completely rolling over the ball.

Second thing that is wrong is that now that pitchers have adjusted to him, he is trying to guess what they are throwing. He’s getting fooled to many times and swinging at 59 foot curve balls.

I’d like to see him closer to the plate, open the stance up a little(allows the hitter to see) and work on keeping the barrel of the bat through the hitting zone longer. Short to it and long through it.

tdc

August 23rd, 2011
2:49 pm

I think Heyward is the only one struggling now because he is the only one listening to Parrish. Everybody else that was struggling (Freeman and Uggla) probably tuned him out.

ab initio

August 23rd, 2011
2:50 pm

Get the dip out of his swing and he’ll drive the ball a lot better.

It’s easy to see his swing is not fluid, nor does it generate power.

Parrish needs to get the hell out of Atlanta.

ijudgenot

August 23rd, 2011
2:50 pm

journalist jimmy smith

August 23rd, 2011
9:33 am
“a bad toe can end a career. that’s what happened to dizzy dean. jason heyward always looks like his shoes are too tight. he should also lose the batting gloves because he spends most of his time at bat fooling with his gloves. where his toes point has a lot to do with where he hits the ball. look it up.”

Dizzy Dean changed his pitching mechanics because of a hurt toe and messed up his arm for good. Thats what ruined his career, bad arm not toe. I think you are on to something about the glove adjustments. This is a quirk a lot of players have after each pitch whether they swung at last pitch or not, totally unnecessary. I like Bourn’s approach. Once he gets in the batters box he establishes his back foot and never moves it unless pitcher brushes him back. He stands in the batters box between pitches. The back foot’s approximate distance from the plate is the distance he knows allows him to handle the inside pitch and still handle the pitch to the outerhalf of plate(line drive to left field)Heyward’s position changes considerably from pitch to pitch. Constanza does not stand in batter’s box like Bourn between pitches, but draws a box when he first gets into batter’s box that gives him a reference point to judge the distance from plate each time he gets back into box.

extremus

August 23rd, 2011
3:00 pm

While there is obviously a lot of speculation as to why Jason Heyward’s production has spiraled downward since the middle of last season, I have to say the change goes back to right after he had the thumb injury. It’s indisputable that before then he was driving the ball with abandon and was on pace to lead all rookies in average and power numbers; since then he strikes out far more often and rolls over those same pitches to the second base side of the field.

Is Heyward perhaps still hurting and refusing to share that information with his team in an effort to contribute? Did the discomfort cease but cause changes in his swing that are apparently very hard for him to let go of? Why is it that Freddie Freeman has learned to adjust to the inside pitch (not to mention lefties) with increasing aptitude in a single year at the MLB level while Heyward has the earmarks of a player who needs significantly more time in the minors?

I don’t have the answers to these questions; as with most folks here on the boards, anything I say would be pure conjecture. But the Braves probably know, and certainly Jason Heyward himself knows what the problem is. The next question he and they must answer is, “How do we salvage Jason Heyward’s career before it’s too late?”.

No, I don’t have that answer either (though I’ve suggested more time at Gwinnett or wherever he might get one-on-one help from someone who can get through to him; ironically Chipper Jones may be that guy, and I sure hope so).

In the meantime, I think future instances like this would have less of a chance of developing if the Braves instituted one simple (break it and you’re fined) rule: NO HEADFIRST SLIDES.

dap01

August 23rd, 2011
3:12 pm

Shut up about Francour!

up north

August 23rd, 2011
3:19 pm

He just seems lethargic all around. He is a young guy, and should have made it to that ball that Uggla over ran in last night’s game.

The Gohost of Jeff Francouer

August 23rd, 2011
3:20 pm

Just kidding, of course! I think Jay-Hey is still adjusting to MLB pitching, and perhaps, MLB pitching has already adjusted to him. Ego is a large part of the game, and having never donned a uniform and crossed the white line, I suspect MLB pitchers are likely to challenge young hitters in the hope that they (pitcher) establish a strike zone. Heyward was a disciplined hitter, and during his first at bats, he made many a pitcher pay. But, MLB pitchers (and scouting reports) compile a lot of data, and with each at bat, I suspect the bad guys (pitchers) get a better idea of any batter’s weaknesses – just as positon players adjust to account for a hitter’s strenghts, pitchers most certainly adjust as well. Which brings us to mechanics. Throw in a couple injuries to “mechanical components” (wrist, thumb, back) and I suppose you have the makings of a slump. Toss in some mental pressure and well, there you have it. Throw in “George Constanza” and multiply the pressure. Throw in a pennant race and, well; Jay-Hey will just have to work on everything, and make the most of his opportunities. It’s the difference between the minors and the majors. ‘Nuf said. Go get ‘em Jay-Hey.

bill

August 23rd, 2011
3:22 pm

Jason has a fragile psyche and he had quite a few called out on strikes . He was told to be more agressive so now he is swinging at pitches that are out of the strike zone and for which he has no confidence he can hit. He has always had a long swing and he looks totally confused at times. One pitch he is flailing on the next pitch he hits a long homer. He was a rookie who got worked over because he is a player who knows the strike zone better than most umpires and I think he has had trouble adjusting to the strike zone which is constantly moving from game to game. Its hard for him to be likechipper. When chipper gets called out on strikes he gives the umpires that I am a hall of famer and you are a pretender. You can call it a strike but everyone including GOD knows you sir are just wrong. Jason can’t do that.

Alaska Braves Fan

August 23rd, 2011
3:22 pm

To repeat a comment I made on DOB’s “quotes” blog:

With regard to Jason Heyward: First, my knowledge and experience in helping young baseball players develop is nonexistent. I suspect that is largely true, too, of most of the folks who are complaining of the way the Braves are dealing with his troubles. Let the pros do their work. They have the tools, and we don’t. It’s not an exact science and their efforts may not work, but the odds are much, much better with the pros than with a bunch of dilettantes like most of us.

In the final analysis, Heyward will have the grit to find the way to perform at a high level, or he won’t. It isn’t the coaches who are finally accountable for his play, it’s he. Personally, I see the talent, and I think he will have a pretty good career. But, this year is done for him, and he will have to overcome his propensity to injury and to overreacting to injury if he’s to transform his potential into performance.

One last thought: Even if it actually were a possibility, I never would accept a position as an MLB hitting coach. That position seems to attract the most irrational and wildly manic comments of any position in baseball. Last year Pendleton; this year Parrish. Posh and nonsense!!

ABF

NoWay

August 23rd, 2011
3:22 pm

I still don’t get the Francoeur comparisons with Heyward. Jason isn’t 1/2 the player Francoeur was. PMC, where do you get Jeff had 3 bad years? He actually had one bad year in Atlanta, and even then he hit 20 points higher than Heyward and drove in 71 runs. Compare Heyward to someone else, he isn’t close to Francoeur. Francoeur in 4 years for the Braves had 73 HR’s and 324 RBI’s. His 4 year average per year in Atlanta: .273 BA, 18 HR’s and 81 RBI’s. I would take that back in a heart beat, plus having one of the best defensive right fielders in the league.

Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable

August 23rd, 2011
3:23 pm

Thank Goodness that Atlanta’s CRIMINAL Element has not turned out en masse at Turner Field to support & worship Jason Heyward like they did with that drug-using, STD-infected dogkiller Vick.

Clay

August 23rd, 2011
3:26 pm

The announcers of last night’s game put it well: “It’s like there’s a hole in his bat.”

Heyward appeared last night to have trouble catching up to an 89 mph fast ball.

submariner

August 23rd, 2011
3:26 pm

It’s the second coming of Jeff Fancoeur. Sorry dap01.

NoWay

August 23rd, 2011
3:27 pm

Submariner, See my comments above.

uhoh

August 23rd, 2011
3:29 pm

He needs to quit trying to pull every pitch. It looks like he try to swing out and around on the outside pitch-even it he hit’s it, won’t go anywhere. He did drive one to left center in the last home stand-needs to do that more.

Hard to fault Uggla now but it looks like Hey and Ugg are both really tight at the plate. Watch Chipper, he looks like the bat is about to fall out of his hand instead of squeezing sawdust out of it.

R-E-L-A-X at the plate.

Dr. Phil

August 23rd, 2011
3:33 pm

Perhaps Jason has been listening too much to the statisticians and swing analyists. Mays and Mantle both maintained the philosophy, “see the ball, hit the ball.” Perhaps some AAA ball would have helped Jason’s confidence. I believe Jason will recover. BTW, Bobby Valentine may be a jerk, but he is a pretty good commentator and a great improvement over Joe Morgan.

Mental Giant

August 23rd, 2011
3:35 pm

Tom, you’re a mental giant as well! Ever heard of a little thing called sarcasm? Well, study up bud.

journalist jimmy smith

August 23rd, 2011
3:37 pm

ijudgenot, a bad toe is exactly what happened to dizzy dean. toes turn to arms and arms turn to mush. journalists know these things. if jason heyward has to wear gloves he needs some with some elastic in them and no velcro. there is no velcro in baseball.

Bravado

August 23rd, 2011
3:39 pm

Seriously

August 23rd, 2011
3:39 pm

I may be wrong but Heywards attitude says it all. He doesnt want to be there nor do I think he wants to be playing ball. It is obvious in how he carries himself throughout the game.

augusta dawg

August 23rd, 2011
3:45 pm

The difference in Freeman and Heyward..Freemans is getting better with time…Heyward is getting worse and worse and worse.

Too Tough 44

August 23rd, 2011
3:47 pm

Heyward has gone haywire….for sure,, I am glad Freddie G is playing the players that are being productive with the bat!

Alaska Braves Fan

August 23rd, 2011
3:48 pm

Seriously: Of all the comments I have read about Heyward, yours is most off-base. I’m not highly optimistic about him, but you are wrong. The biggest positive Jason has going for him is his desire to excel. That seems clear to me. He does make an effort to play within himself and avoids histrionics – all good stuff. Of course, I could be wrong.

ABF

Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable

August 23rd, 2011
3:55 pm

Is Jason Heyward’s heart REALLY & TRULY into playing baseball?

When Heyward is in the outfield, does she daydream about going to medical school, dribbling a basketball or being a hip-hop recording “artist” instead?

ChrisfromSacramento, Ca

August 23rd, 2011
3:56 pm

Heyward sucks. Get his ass out of a Braves uniform. Insert sxcuses now. He will NEVER BE GOOD. Jeff was better and that is sad.

Hurtward = Eric Anthony = BUST

The Truth

August 23rd, 2011
3:57 pm

Heyward dives down and towards the plate with every swing. It’s absurdly obvious to anyone who watches. He needs to go back to Mississippi and get his swing back, because the Braves’ hitting coach clearly isn’t doing his job.

ijudgenot

August 23rd, 2011
4:14 pm

Heyward is having some problems at the plate that we have all commented on, but this “he doesn’t care”, “he is lazy because he does not seem to be running fast”, or “he does not want to be there” comments are way off. You can not project how you as an individual would handle a situation onto another. Just because he does not throw his helmet into the ground when he strikes out or flies out, or breaks his bat in half by slamming it into the ground does not men the kid does not care. Maybe his parents taught him to meet failure and success with the same expression on your face. Just because the young man is 6′6″ and his long strides makes it appear that he is not running as hard as a Constanza who’s short strides look like pistons in a 57 Chevy, does not mean that he is not hustling with all he’s got. Many who make these statements would have labled Hank Aaron a lazy ball player who did not care, because he rarely showed emotion and his strides seemed effortless also. Before the shouts, I am not comparing the baseball talents of Aaron and Heyward, just their outward demeanor.

Not Applicable

August 23rd, 2011
4:17 pm

Was Jason Heyward on a Sports Illustrated cover or in a featured story (with Freeman)? I’m not superstitious, but I’m just thinking…

Who is Gault? He's a Freekin' Fictional Character - GROW UP!

August 23rd, 2011
4:21 pm

I noticed the same thing – he swings down for some reason. That said, I think it is too early to give up on him. He needs to be in a line up to work through his issues. If he performs like this next year, however, then it’s time to send him back down to double or triple A for a good long stint.

Who is Gault? A Fictional Character - GROW UP EINSTEIN!

August 23rd, 2011
4:24 pm

I think Jason needs to stay in the line up to work through this. That said, he needs to go down to Gwinnett next year if his first month or so is like this!

Stinger2

August 23rd, 2011
4:27 pm

To anyone who has posted negative comments about Francouer: Are you aware that he just signed a
13 million contract extension with the Royals. I doubt he cares what Atlanta fans think about him now.

Stinger2

August 23rd, 2011
4:40 pm

For anyone who is not aware: Jeff Freancouer recently signed a 13 million 2 yr. contract extension with the Royals. I doubt if he cares what Braves fans think of him now.

Phillies, Class of The NL

August 23rd, 2011
4:41 pm

In reality, what does it matter. You are still playing second fiddle to The All-World Philadelphia Phillies. Now that’s a baseball team my hillbilly friends.

bvillebaron

August 23rd, 2011
4:41 pm

Chris from Sacramento:

Is there any chance we could get you to stop making ignorant posts and get YOUR sorry #%s out of here sooner and permanently? I’m giving odds that we can’t!

extremus

August 23rd, 2011
4:41 pm

Two words: WINTER BALL. Since the Braves opted not to send him to Gwinnett for awhile this year, this is NOT an upcoming offseason where Jason Heyward needs to kick back and take a prolonged vacation. Not only for the Braves’ sake but for his own career’s sake. He needs to utilize every possible means and opportunity to get back on track.

Cable Guy

August 23rd, 2011
4:43 pm

Jason takes the best pitch of his at bat, meaning the first one. Then the pitchers throw him garbage low or away because they know he can;t hit them. He needs to shorten and level his swing and stay on the pitch, instead of swinging that long, loopy swing.

Phillies, Class of The NL

August 23rd, 2011
4:43 pm

Heyward has more holes in his game than our own Domonic Brown, but at least we have the sense to send Brown to the minors to work on his game. That is how a class organization operates. The lowly bravos could learn something from The Baseball Juggernaut that is The Philadelphia Phillies.

Phillies, Class of The NL

August 23rd, 2011
4:44 pm

Do braves fans STILL think McCann is a better catcher than The Mighty Chooch? Ha – laughable.

richie_rich1986

August 23rd, 2011
4:49 pm

Isn’t this interesting. Frenchy and Bmac were both really good friends. One is obviously not here with us anymore and the other well you can say he’s the best catcher in the MLB right now. Heyward and Freddy are good friends and lets just say, Freddy is looking like he’s going to win the ROY and Heyward, hopefully if we have to trade him we get somebody better than Ryan Church.

Tom

August 23rd, 2011
4:50 pm

For the last time quit comparing JasonH to Frenchy, it’s not fair to JasonH! A better comparison of skills and accomplishments would be to some one like McLouth. A decent player who seems to be injuried alot of the time. Sometimes people like to forget, Frenchy in his 2nd and 3rd years, played in 162 games( I guess it might have to do with his football mentality)!! There is 162 games in a season, right? Sorry, MentalGiant, perhaps you should use your real first name, just a suggestion!

richie_rich1986

August 23rd, 2011
4:51 pm

@phillies class of NL,

If yal are they class why are you even wasting your time on writing on a Braves blog? Very classy there…

Phillies, Class of The NL

August 23rd, 2011
4:51 pm

Fast-forward to the playoffs. The Braves will get the lowly WildCard, they will NOT sellout their playoff games (once again), and they will get bounced in the first-round (most likely a sweep ending in Game 3 at a half-empty Turner field) by the Milwaukee Brewers. Heyward will bat 1 for 12 with his lone hit in a meaningless 8th inning of Game 3 as the lowly Braves trail 9-2. The remaining 6,000 fans in attendance will lustily boo the kid with the hitched swing. braves season OVER.

Phillies, Class of The NL

August 23rd, 2011
4:53 pm

@richie – I like come down here every now and again and see how the other half lives, if you know what I mean…

bvillebaron

August 23rd, 2011
4:53 pm

Phillies, Class of the NL:

You mean class of the NL and All World just like last year against the Giants? As I mentioned the other day, the reason why you and the other Phillies lurkers continuously post here and try to convince us that the Phils are this juggernaut is to mask your insecurity about the pending playoffs and concern that your fantastic regular season will go up in smoke again this year just like it did last year to the Giants.

Do us all a favor and get back to us in October if they actually win the World Series. In the meantime, spare us all your blather.

NO MORE PARRISH

August 23rd, 2011
4:55 pm

This is one of the many problems I have with Parrish as hitting coach. Chipper spends extra time with Heyward over Parrish. A good hitting coach would be able to help through this. But honestly, kinda hard to feel sorry for Heyward because he does not seem to care. A real star would demand to play and not take being benched like he has. Would like to see more fight in him and hope he bounces back next year WITH A NEW HITTING COACH.

Phillies, Class of The NL

August 23rd, 2011
4:56 pm

No doubt The Mighty Phillies were disappointed to not win The Series last year. As the Giants flounder this year, the Phillies continue with their usual, workman-like Excellence. The Trophy will be back in its rightful place on South Broad St. come November.

TruthSeeker

August 23rd, 2011
4:57 pm

Heyward may not live up to the massive expectations we had set for him, but he won’t be another Francoeur. Heyward has a great approach at the plate, although it hasn’t been as good this year as it was last year. Francoeur was a hacker who didn’t understand the value of taking a walk.

Heyward’s problems are more mechanical than mental, which means they’re easier to fix. He’ll be fine.

Heisenberg

August 23rd, 2011
4:58 pm

I see where Phillies put Cole Hamels on the DL and called up Pete Orr to take his roster spot. I hope that means Orr will be inserted into the starting rotation. But seriously, Braves are getting healthy and Phils could be opening up a window of opportunity. Perhaps a role reversal from 2010 is coming.

On another note, I like reading other folks thoughts but when I see a post longer than a DOB blog I scroll past it. Please keep it short.

Donny Corleone

August 23rd, 2011
4:59 pm

Has anyone factored his BADA BING (Batting Average the Day After Being In North Georgia)? I’ll bet that will shine some light on his situation. Fuhgeddaboudit.

keepinitreal

August 23rd, 2011
4:59 pm

Phillies fans continuing to be obsessed with the Braves…nothing new there.

Phillies, Class of The NL

August 23rd, 2011
5:02 pm

I’m looking at the lineups for both teams, and I can’t find even one position at which the lowly braves are better than The Mighty Philadelphia Phillies.

RF – advantage Pence
CF – advantage Victorino
LF – advantage Ibanez
3rd – big advantage Polanco
2nd – huge advantage Utley
SS – huge advantage Rollins
1st – gigantic advantage Howard
Starting Pitching – obvious
Bullpen/Closer – wash, but I’ll take the seasoned, World Series ring wearing Madson and Bastardo over the rookies the bravos have.
Catcher – advantage Chooch (slightly less hitting for far superior game-calling, runner holding and he’s the clutchest hitter in the Majors)

Geaux Braves

August 23rd, 2011
5:04 pm

Mark Bradley,

You continue to offer nothing to the journalism world. My 2 year old cousin could’ve written the “article.”

Phillies, Class of The NL

August 23rd, 2011
5:04 pm

The Phillies are obsessed with winning. Its business as usual down at The CBP.

NoWay

August 23rd, 2011
5:04 pm

Phillies = Getting Old
Braves = Young and good for years

Phillie should be back where they belong before long, licker the sewer.

OhioBoy

August 23rd, 2011
5:06 pm

NO MORE PARRISH- I understand and agree with what you’re saying, but in reality Francoeur responded that way and most fans berated him for it. He didn’t want to be sent down, he wanted
to play.

Phillies, Class of The NL

August 23rd, 2011
5:08 pm

I literally don’t see one position at which the lowly braves are superior to the Phillies:

RF – advantage Pence
CF – advantage Victorino
LF – advantage Ibanez
3rd – advantage Polanco
2nd – huge advantage Utley
SS – huge advantage Rollins
1st – gigantic advantage Howard
Starting pitching – please
Bullpen/Closer – potentially a wash but I will take the playoff tested World Series Winning Madson over the rookies the braves have
Catcher – advantage Chooch (slightly less hitting for far superior game calling and runner holding, plus Chooch’s knack for clutch hitting)

Tony

August 23rd, 2011
5:10 pm

He will be traded in the offseason. Probably Toronto. Their next Joe Carter. He will shine. We will regret it. TP got a raw deal. I still think FG is the worst manager in baseball. The Braves are where they are because of the imprint Bobby left on the franchise. FG just gets to sit there and stare. He might as well read the newspaper. Chipper passes on the legacy and what it means to be a Brave and how to win.

dr. obvious

August 23rd, 2011
5:10 pm

he hasn’t been the same since chipper ‘pulled groin’ jones called him out…

Heisenberg

August 23rd, 2011
5:11 pm

Donny Corleone, you cannot factor in the BADA BING without also considering the BADA BOOM (batting average day after being out of moonshine). What else would you go to North Georgia for?

Hillbilly D

August 23rd, 2011
5:13 pm

Last year people were complaining because JH was too patient and took too many pitches. This year they’re complaining that he isn’t patient enough and he doesn’t take enough pitches.

Could just be that the league has adjusted to him and in his quest to adjust, he’s pressing a bit.

I was confused by the way the infield pop-up stat was listed but I assume it means he’s popping up more this year. That’s not a good think but it should be fixable.

Freddie Freeman is doing very well this year but let’s remember, the league is going to adjust to him, too. How he handles that will tell the tale. Baseball is a game of constant adjusting and readjusting.

People also complained the last couple years about Terry Pendleton, until he was moved to another position, and now they complain about Larry Parrish, because he’s the opposite of Pendleton, in their minds. The smart players and coaches ignore the fans, including me. Well, maybe they should have listened to a certain S. Clusters about one guy but that’s water under the bridge.

chuck

August 23rd, 2011
5:16 pm

The pitchers just won’t hit his bat with the ball.

bro

August 23rd, 2011
5:22 pm

If you watch his swing he is late on anything reasonably fast. Thus all the ground outs and popups. Not only is he late with his swing he is so late he can not even hit the ball to the opposite field. His stance causes him to be jammed on most any inside pitch–something Parrish should be able to fix easily if the young man will listen and not pull a frenchy. You have got to get the bat to the ball. If you can’t do that then you are just another 220 hitter. Not even good enough for a shorstop these days.

billy

August 23rd, 2011
5:24 pm

Keep working Jason!!!!!!

Wink

August 23rd, 2011
5:26 pm

Say Hey what up with the Kid… J-Hey! Sophmore jinx hey!

Frenchy

August 23rd, 2011
5:29 pm

Listen to Mr. Parrish, young man.

BravesFan

August 23rd, 2011
5:36 pm

Love the Utley vs Uggla huge advantage. Well let’s see:
Utley BA HR RBI OBP
Regular Season .274 9 38 .356
Uggla BA HR RBI OBP
Regular Season .232 30 66 .300
Plus Uggla has 18 HRs and raised his average 51 points in less than 6 weeks.

Let’s take 3rd base:
PoloncoBA HR RBI OBP
Regular Season .278 4 40 .333
ChipperBA HR RBI OBP
Regular Season .276 12 57 .349

The bullpen of the Phillies SUCK. OFlarety, Venters and Kimbrell wipe the floor with the Phillies. It’s a joke of a comparison. And your OLD pitchers which hopefully will have a couple of years left in them after this one compare well to Hudson, Hanson and Beachy. Doc is all you have.

Your team is old and getting older. You have NOTHING in the wings, and will rely totally on overpaid vets for years to come, while our 20yo ROY is playing first, a 6 time All-star catcher that dwarfs whomever that catcher you have.
Phillies Catcher (whathisname)
BA HR RBI OBP
Regular Season .273 5 30 .368
McCannBA HR RBI OBP
Regular Season .296 20 58 .369

Phillies combined ERA
3.07
Braves
3.31
The Phillies starting pitching surely cannot even begin to compare with the Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz era for sure. That’s a joke to even discuss it.

Oh, and BTW on 1st base
HowardBA HR RBI OBP
Regular Season .253 26 96 .341
Freeman (the rookie and gold glover)
BA HR RBI OBP
Regular Season .293 18 63 .356

Not bad. Oh and the Phillies have LOST 3 games in the standings in the past 8 days. 91/2 games up, now 6 1/2 games up. Wow, you get a lot for $200m. I think you are getting ripped off compared to the Braves less than $90M payroll.

Paddy

August 23rd, 2011
5:44 pm

Eddie Haas believed in advanced metrics. See where did that get him?. Never understood why he never managed in the big leagues again. Always thought he was way better than Eddie Stanky, Vedie Himsl andl Elvin Tappe as a big league manager. Guess he was ahead of his time. Skip Ca rey loved the guy. Just wish we could ask Skip about all those great memories of Eddie Haas!!!!!!! Those of us that listened to the Eddie Haas pre-game show grew to admire his genius!

Hillbilly D

August 23rd, 2011
5:50 pm

I always felt Eddie Haas got a bad rap. The Atlanta writers had it in for him from day one because they loved Joe Torre and he wasn’t Joe. The people who followed him had no more success than he did, until John Schuerholz came to town.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
5:56 pm

@Phillies, Class of The NL – Nice analysis, homer. How lets take a more objective approach:

C – McCann .876 OPS – Chooch – .754
1B – Freeman .828 – Howard – .820
2B – Uggla – .761 – Utley – .809
SS – Gonzalez .602 – Rollins – .743
3B – Jones – .811 – Polanco – .677
LF – Prado – .731 – Ibanez – .691
CF – Bourn – .728 – Victorino – .928
RF – Constanza – .904 – Pence – .852

You still sure about your assessment? I see 3 positions where you are better. One of those is 2B and if you think Uggla’s season numbers still apply now that he’s on fire (.955 in July 1.193 in August), that’s more homerism. I would say offensively the Braves are superior (and the numbers bear that out) at 6 positions. Victorino and Rollins are the only 2 that are performing better than their counterparts. Constanza will probably cool, but right now he’s outperforming Pence.

The defense is even, .988 for Phillies .986 for the Braves.

Starting pitching wise, your staff is the best in baseball, but we aint shabby either. Our bullpen is head and shoulders better than yours. I like our chances…

b.o.b.

August 23rd, 2011
6:16 pm

shut up mark bradley jayhey still got it just a bad season

Hillbilly D

August 23rd, 2011
6:27 pm

I hope the Braves beat out the Phillies but when he’s healthy Chase Utley is a 5 tool player. Uggla isn’t, so Utley is the better player overall.

Hardy

August 23rd, 2011
6:29 pm

Stats are for losers…….. I like winning games.

Old Dawg Fan

August 23rd, 2011
6:29 pm

A big ego and even bigger hype make for a bad year when you can’t back it up.
Costanza is the real deal-trade JH-is that simple.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
6:31 pm

@Hardy – Just discrediting that jackass Phillies troll.

Brad

August 23rd, 2011
6:34 pm

If the numbers hurt your head then don’t worry about them. But you denying them does not lessen their value.

Ted’s Head. Do you still think OBP is idiotic? That stat has not been popular very long, but is not widely accepted. I don’t think babip belongs on the back of a card. But it is a a verifiable statistic that can be normed and a bell curve can be produced. It is absolutely a tool that can be used to assist in statistical evaluation.

Hillbilly D

August 23rd, 2011
6:39 pm

OBP is a good statistic, in my opinion. It’s probably the most important statistic for a lead-off man. OPS is the one that I think is a stat just for a stat’s sake. I’m sure I’m in the minority on that, though.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
6:48 pm

OPS is a more defined metric than OBP because it adds Slugging %. As I said last night, I think we should have a metric called OPS+SB. A stolen base is just as critical to scoring as any other aspect of the game. Why should a metric not calculate a base for an SB but count that base on a extra base hit. I submit that a single and SB is the exact same as a double from a scoring perspective.

This new metric would better measure complete play rather than reward power guys because they hit a lot of HRs and doubles. Of course it would make guys like Bourn cost more in arbitration and contract extensions too…

Hardy

August 23rd, 2011
6:51 pm

Its a Catch 22 for the Phillies.

If they win the NLCS it will be because they were supposed to because they bought their way to it.

If they lose they are chokers.

Robert

August 23rd, 2011
7:24 pm

As a rookie, JHey had patience and plate discipline that were truly rare for his age

Sometime in late May or early June, he went into a slight slump, at which point Bobby Cox publicly stated that Heyward needed to be more aggressive

Since then, he is hitting about .220 and striking out far more often than he walks

Heyward’s problem is that he paid heed to the advice of an idiot

Hillbilly D

August 23rd, 2011
7:24 pm

The statistic I like is Runs Produced. That is (Runs Scored + RBI’s) – HR’s = Runs Produced.

That’s what wins games and a run scored and a run driven in have equal value, in my mind.

Robert

August 23rd, 2011
7:27 pm

“But seriously, Braves are getting healthy and Phils could be opening up a window of opportunity. Perhaps a role reversal from 2010 is coming.”

A window of opportunity for what?

We are not playing to win a division title

Sunshine Falcon

August 23rd, 2011
8:03 pm

I just hope he doesn’t end up like Francoeur.
Jeff would not listen to advice here and had to leave town, to get back on track.
It would be terrible to see the same thing happen to JHey.

Rowsdower

August 23rd, 2011
8:13 pm

@Hillbilly D – Oh, I agree. I even threw out a simple Run Production % that takes runs+RBI/ABs. Constanza is at 34%. Heyward is at 14%.

Runs win games, not stats.

urban redneck

August 23rd, 2011
8:47 pm

the same people that want to trade uggla wanted to release uggly two months ago. d-bags.

Ralph

August 23rd, 2011
9:00 pm

Don’t know whats wrong with Jason but I just hope they don’t waste a roster spot on him for the post season.

Fred

August 23rd, 2011
9:05 pm

Great timing Mark. Haha

JHeyer

August 23rd, 2011
9:05 pm

That SLAM is for you Mark B! ;)

Flowery Branch Yellow Jacket

August 23rd, 2011
9:06 pm

Perhaps tonight’s grand slam will be just what it takes to bring him out of his “funk”.

A Brave in Minnesota

August 23rd, 2011
9:09 pm

Ummmmmm….about that Heyward kid…….

….TAKE THAT!!!!

Time to go to Denny’s for that GRAND SLAM!!! :)

M10

August 23rd, 2011
9:14 pm

Its amazes me how one year you guys want to cheer for the guy and time he goes through a slump you wanna get rid of him just pathetic.

shane

August 23rd, 2011
9:20 pm

Who said anything was wrong with him? He was just waiting for the bases to be loaded!

Laughing

August 23rd, 2011
9:22 pm

GRAND SLAM for J-Hey! Take that, J-Haters!

A Brave in Minnesota

August 23rd, 2011
9:28 pm

Heyward will be fine and he knows it……….it’s just taking him longer than most to make adjustments, but I think he’s going to pull an Uggla in September/October just when we need him the most!! :)

Von Trapp

August 23rd, 2011
9:49 pm

Heyward served serious CROW tonight……………..J haters need to wipe das mouths after eating so much of das CROW……………..keep serving das Crow Heyward…………..Keep serving it

Laughing

August 23rd, 2011
11:18 pm

Von Trapp August 23rd, 2011 9:49 pm
Heyward served serious CROW tonight……………..J haters need to wipe das mouths after eating so much of das CROW……………..keep serving das Crow Heyward…………..Keep serving it

Amen, Von Trapp!

anotherdawg

August 24th, 2011
12:32 am

Well, it’s a good thing Frank Wren doesn’t base his decisions on the negative advice coming off these blogs. If he did, Jason would have been traded, or sent down to AAA before tonights game. Now if the Cubs were to offer Aramis Ramirez, wow that guy can hit!

Scott

August 24th, 2011
2:09 am

Jason Heyward is to Freddie Freeman as Jeff Francour is to Brian McCann.

DeepDiver

August 24th, 2011
5:10 am

3 hits, 4 RBIs, GRAND SLAM. Heyward is an integral part of the Braves’ future. Larry Jones for hitting coach.

red&black

August 24th, 2011
6:24 am

you’re right PMC, he’s not a bad player, but he’s not a good one either. He is however “most excellent” at the double play (hitting into them)……He’s”USELESS” maybe they can trade him for a bucket of balls, or used 83′ Camry………..I bet if we throw in “Boozer” (D-Lowe) we “might” be able to get both the balls and the Camry…….

And speaking of “Boozer” you can stick a fork in him, cause he’s done…………

And what’s with this giving guys in the bullpen “rest”. They only work one inning vs starters who go 5,6,7 innings with a much higher pitch counts.

chief pitchanono

August 24th, 2011
5:26 pm

We can all disect Heywards decline a million ways, and chances are it does have multiple contributeing factors, health, bad mechanics, its obvious pitchers have found a whole in his swing and he has not been able to make the adjustment yet. It doesn’t mean he won’t. It is just the way the game is played, if you have a weakness it will be exploited untill you make the adjustment. I truly believe he is now working on it which is huge for him, because it seemed like with all his success that he has had throughout his entire baseball life it might have taken a while for him to admit that there was really something there that needed to be corrected. Seeing him hit the ball the other way is the best sign that he had begun to make a change. He will be a great player but he has had to go through the learning curve just like everyone else. I think this season will just be a blip on the radar at the end of his hall of fame career. Go Braves!!

Tuckerbrave

August 24th, 2011
11:03 pm

10:46 pm EDT

Cubs 3
Braves 2…………….J-Hey comes thru again……………top of the 9th……..man on………..called 3rd strike………………so don’t send him down to AAA……..and please don’t trade him…….the boy’s been a cash cow for me. I’ve got my bookie on speed dial, as soon as he comes up to bat I’m on the phone to louie…..yeah he let me down last night with slam thing, but the “vast majority” of the time he comes thru for me with an out of some kind……I’m way ahead in terms of winnings….I’m playin with house money now baby…….

braveballs

August 24th, 2011
11:09 pm

heyward…..you rat b@#*&$%…………………..

Chris Barnes

August 24th, 2011
11:15 pm

Mr. Bradley, I want to buy four (4) of the Ernie Johnson patches for my jerseys, I looked on E-Bay and atlantabraves.com but found nothing. Can you PLEASE tell me where I might find these for sale? Thank you very much for your help. GO BRAVES!