NCAA to Auburn’s Chizik: ‘It ain’t over until we say it’s over’

"Hey, wait a second! I have a bunch more questions to ask!" (AP photo)

"Hey, wait just a minute! I have a bunch more questions to ask the speaker!" (AP photo)

Perhaps you’re wondering about the state of the NCAA’s investigation into Cam Newton’s short time at Auburn. Apparently the Auburn coach is, or at least was. According to Pete Thamel of the New York Times, Gene Chizik has been given cause to wonder no longer.

Writes Thamel:

Julie Roe Lach, the NCAA’s vice president for enforcement, made a presentation to the group [of SEC coaches at their convocation at Destin, Fla.], which included every men’s basketball coach, football coach and athletic director in the conference. When she opened up the room for discussion, Auburn’s football coach, Gene Chizik, raised his hand first.

He peppered Roe Lach with a flurry of questions about the NCAA’s investigation into Cam Newton and why the NCAA had not publicly announced that the investigation was over. Chizik complained that the inquiry’s open-ended nature had hurt Auburn’s recruiting and he followed up at least three times, leading to a testy exchange.

“You’ll know when we’re finished,” Roe Lach told Chizik, according to several coaches who were at the meeting. “And we’re not finished.”

I believe this is official NCAA-speak for: “Siddown and shut up!”

You’ll want to read the rest of Thamel’s report to get the reaction of several SEC basketball coaches — Vanderbilt’s Kevin Stallings and LSU’s Trent Johnson among them — to Chizik’s Q-and-abbreviated-A of Roe Lach, but it’s safe to assume this will become the most-buzzed-about SEC conclave since Johnny Majors and  Steve Spurrier got into a little discussion back in 1991.

What happened then? Well, according to a man who was in the room, Spurrier and Majors were playing some sort of  game — ping-pong, I believe it was — when Spurrier, then coming off his first season at Florida, told Majors he couldn’t believe Tennessee claimed the 1990 SEC championship when Florida (then on NCAA probation, of all things, and therefore ineligible for the title) had finished with a better record.

Legend holds that Majors, no shrinking violet, replied: “Yeah? Well, we beat your backsides.” (Or words to that effect. And indeed the Vols had, edging the mighty Gators 45-3 in 1990.)

Legend also holds that a subsequent good time was had by all. And maybe you wonder why conferences and coaches have such summer get-togethers. Why, for the fellowship, of course!

By Mark Bradley

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JacketinSC

July 14th, 2011
10:28 am

Hankie Aron

July 14th, 2011
10:28 am

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DawginLex

July 14th, 2011
10:30 am

Where is the Auburn guy who argued with me about this?

I was right

It ain’t over.

The NCAA is going to hammer Auburn eventually.

I wish I had been there to see Chizik’s face.

Mark Bradley

July 14th, 2011
10:30 am

Kudos, JacketinSC.

Hankie Aron

July 14th, 2011
10:31 am

Perhaps it truly isn’t over. At least the investigation, the speculation will continue

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Mark Bradley

July 14th, 2011
10:32 am

I’m on record as saying I don’t believe Auburn will have to vacate its BCS title. But I’ve been wrong on occasion.

Chi Town

July 14th, 2011
10:33 am

Barn is going down.

Sure they will come up with a Goober’s Corner tree update today in the news to help reflect the negative press.

JacketonProbabtion

July 14th, 2011
10:33 am

Chicken Neck has got them in some hot water now! Who wants to hold a fish fry?

KJ

July 14th, 2011
10:33 am

Well Geno, if you don’t want inquiries to hurt your recruiting, perhaps you shouldn’t recruit someone who’s a known criminal and cheater. Hope this helps.

JacketinSC

July 14th, 2011
10:33 am

Auburn cheated, won the National Championship. Ohio St cheated, won the Sugar Bowl. Did Tech cheat…and lose the Independence Bowl?

Hankie Aron

July 14th, 2011
10:34 am

They love to argue on here don’t they Dawginlex. Deep down they know it isn’t over yet

cattledawg

July 14th, 2011
10:34 am

Im glad someone told the meatneck to shut up. Seems to me ol Chizek is making things worse for Auburn.

JacketonProbabtion

July 14th, 2011
10:34 am

Why write about this when something is clearly brewing on North Avenue?

Hankie Aron

July 14th, 2011
10:35 am

Doesn’t mean the hammer is coming down either but

Worm

July 14th, 2011
10:35 am

Gentlemen, Start your engines!

cattledawg

July 14th, 2011
10:36 am

How did tech keep everything hush hush? I dont think there is much to the tech story.

OldFan

July 14th, 2011
10:36 am

Sound and fury. Signifying nothing.

Columbus Dawg

July 14th, 2011
10:36 am

I have not seen a post from a D.A Auburn fan ever since this story was put up on ESPN.com.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Mark Bradley

July 14th, 2011
10:37 am

I imagine I’ll get around to Georgia Tech soon enough. Thanks for asking.

SimpleDawg

July 14th, 2011
10:38 am

Yogi to Cheezdik: “It ain’t over ’til it’s over.”

cattledawg

July 14th, 2011
10:38 am

Very manly of Cheezik to go after a lady like that. Im sure if it was a man he wouldnt have gone after him like that.

dap01

July 14th, 2011
10:40 am

Mark: Why not question how Cam was ever even admitted into Auburn. He had a police record for stealing, he was caught cheating in college at Florida? Why not question the standards for admission by Auburn?

Cam’s whole situation reaks of corruption!

jasont13

July 14th, 2011
10:43 am

So where are VINNINGSDAWG, Alphare, DC, and MikeP? Come on guys. You said this investigation was over and there was nothing there. The four of you have ridiculed posters on here when they say there is still an inverstigation going on. Please explain yourself!!

DC

July 14th, 2011
10:43 am

just b/c they say it isnt over doesn’t mean jack….it really doesnt…evidence please. Please show there was wrong doing at AU…not Miss St but AU…do you really blame the coach for bringing this discussion up?

How about you dawgs go worry about..oh um…maybe your offensive line..or um…your RB situation…

bamma ramma

July 14th, 2011
10:45 am

auburn—crooked to the core, as expected. Eventually, the ncaa will trace all that money paid by big auburn boosters to the newtons–a matter of time.

DC

July 14th, 2011
10:45 am

I’ve never said that its over..NCAA has made that clear during discussions about Ohio state…”we dont discuss open case matters” …but it is sitting like a wet rag getting all soggy and moldy…there hasn’t been any new evidence brought forward..just banter…TONS OF BANTER!

DC

July 14th, 2011
10:48 am

and for the record I loathe cam newton’s father. He is a complete and utter disgrace.

jasont13

July 14th, 2011
10:48 am

DC, then what are they looking for then? If there is nothing there, they would have pulled out a while back. Explain why they are still looking into this situation.

No, there is a time and place for Chizik to ask her those questions. Why not ask her in private, or one on one after the meeting. He was being a smart A$$ and was put in his place.

Captain Obvious

July 14th, 2011
10:49 am

Looks like poor Gene doesn’t get a seat a the ‘big boy’ table down on the plains. Just confirms that he is simply a hired mouth piece. Shame…

McDawg

July 14th, 2011
10:49 am

Auburn appears to be recruiting quite well despite the investigation

JD

July 14th, 2011
10:49 am

I dont think its wise to aggrivate the NCAA. Im pretty sure that if they look hard enough they can find violations at any school if they want to

jasont13

July 14th, 2011
10:50 am

How long did it take the NCAA to put everything together against USC and Reggie Bush? A little over 4 years. It’s not going away. I truly believe they are going to take there time and if there is something there they will find it.

teewest

July 14th, 2011
10:50 am

Markus i must say your just for men photo up top is rather dashing!!! My feline side kick Clyde Boogie noticed it first. If you wondering why the love? I was on Dawgbone reading some of those so called bloggers, and i use the term with some heartburn . My appreaciation of you and jeff just rose dramatically. Wait…say what…Clyde said he ain’t going that far Peace my friend!!!

Jeremy

July 14th, 2011
10:50 am

Still wondering if there is a “where there’s smoke there’s fire” situation with Lowder recently being removed from the board. Lots of rumors out there on message boards, but who knows if any of that stuff is true.

jasont13

July 14th, 2011
10:51 am

JD, I agree with you. If you piss off the wrong person they will do what ever they can to find something wrong.

Mr. Dawg

July 14th, 2011
10:51 am

The NCAA concluded that Cam Newton has been involved with some questonable recruiting activity via his father. Whether Auburn is innocent or guilty in that regard, that’s baggage Chizik and and the Auburn program were willing to take on and it won them a National Championship. If the after effect is that it’s having a negative effect on Auburn’s ability to recruit then they can only blame themselves.

T3

July 14th, 2011
10:52 am

When the NCAA says “siddown and shut-up”
it means they HAVE the smoking gun in thier possession.

teewest

July 14th, 2011
10:54 am

Jacketin SC ya har har that’s funny 10 pts for you!!!!

Drago

July 14th, 2011
10:55 am

Has Awbarn ever won anything when they weren’t cheating?

jasont13

July 14th, 2011
10:55 am

Mr. Dawg is right. If I buy a car that has problems but they go away from time to time, only reoccur later Whether that problem comes back 6 months, a year, 4 years later, its still my fault for buying a car with had problems to begin with.

DC

July 14th, 2011
10:56 am

They are McDawg but you gotta have some brass to bring that up in the meeting…might think he was pretty confident about the situation…

Jason, generally they keep cases open as formality and to show that they care about the integrity of the game…imagine if they closed the case 1 week after the season ended..people would be enraged…its more about showing face. IMO ..if money exchanged hands it would have been found by now…especially if we are talking 100K+.

There are always two ways to look at it…do i think AU is clean when it comes to recruiting..no. Do I think other schools give money to athletes? Yes. Does that make any of this right? No.

PLZ

July 14th, 2011
10:57 am

Im gonna come back in a little while to see what excuses Auburn fans have about this…if any.

hackjobs

July 14th, 2011
10:57 am

My question is: why is this news? This exchange happened a month and a half ago. Another Pete Thamel shot to the junk.

Chizikmight have gotten what he wanted out of it, though…remember, McGlynn (the AU compliance guy) came out a couple of weeks ago and did an interview. He used to work for Lach, and they’re still reportedly good friends. I imagine conversations were had.

jasont13

July 14th, 2011
10:58 am

Regardless of who your a fan of, what Chizik did was un-professional. If I have an issue that involves my company, I am not going to bring that issue up in front of my competitors. I will wait until the meeting is over and discuss in private. Like I said previously, Chizik was being an SA, and got his you know what handed to him.

Herschel Talker

July 14th, 2011
10:59 am

MB:

Cheaters never prosper.

HT

It's all relative

July 14th, 2011
11:00 am

Chizik and Auburn are as pure as a newborn baby compared to the sleazy Mark Richt and UGA.

DC

July 14th, 2011
11:00 am

Jason, Reggie bush case is completely different. Look at the case first and talk about it.

The bush family kept information away from the NCAA. Newton’s did not. (NCAA even stated that). Bush family got vacation trips lived in a million dollar house. got TONS OF MONEY

Bush saga is completely different ball game. difference…gifts and money exchanged hands…
Newton saga…no evidence of any money as of yet.

Pete Thamel is a Hack

July 14th, 2011
11:01 am

It would help if Thamel presented the facts as they are instead of molding them to fit his story. There was already a discussion calling for the NCAA to speed up investigations. Chizik, rightfully, wanted answers.

“The session began with Tennessee coach Derek Dooley calling for the NCAA to speed up investigations because lengthy probes “are killing recruiting,” a coach told the Auburn Bureau of al.com. The coach said Chizik continued Dooley’s request with Roe Lach.”

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2011/07/ncaa_vice_president_for_enforc.html