UPDATE: Tech vacates 2009 ACC title, gets 4 years’ probation
Let the record reflect that Buzz the Bee declined to comment. (AJC photo by Johnny Crawford)
UPDATE: Georgia Tech has to vacate its 2009 ACC championship and has been placed on probation through 2015 by the NCAA. Tech has also been fined $100,000.
First, let me emphasize that Georgia Tech folks are being very quiet about this. Nobody in any official capacity wants to speak ahead of the NCAA’s teleconference at 3 p.m. (Tech president Bud Peterson and AD Dan Radakovich will offer the Institute’s response at a 4:30 briefing.) That said …
I have attempted to sniff around. And here’s what I’ve been led to believe:
• Nobody is getting fired.
• No scholarships will be lost.
• There will be no postseason ban.
Let me also emphasize this: Tech folks are expecting a significant hit. And now you’re asking: If the significant hit doesn’t take the form of firings/scholarships/bans, what could it be?
The only things that spring to mind — and let me stress this is me speculating — are a possible forfeiture of some weight, and/or the application of the dreaded “lack of institutional control” label on the Tech athletic department. Then again, I could be way wrong. (Wouldn’t be the first time.)
Esteemed colleague Doug Roberson has written on the AJC’s Tech blog that the violations themselves aren’t believed to be major but Tech’s cooperation might have been, at least in the NCAA’s eyes, less than rigorous. (Mr. Roberson has also reported that both Demaryius Thomas and Morgan Burnett, members of the 2009 ACC championship team, have denied receiving improper benefits.)
And that’s all I know at the moment. I wish I knew more. But we’ll all get the picture very soon. Stay tuned, won’t you?
By Mark Bradley
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JB
July 14th, 2011
2:13 pm
Tech Physical plant crew seen crating up ACC trophy this afternoon and taking it to the UPS store on W. Peachtree at Spring St. Crew leader over heard telling the clerk to send it collect.
techfan
July 14th, 2011
2:14 pm
If there are no future sanctions then I can’t really say im all that worried about this. Taking away wins from years ago doesn’t really concern me.
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 14th, 2011
2:14 pm
Enter your comments here
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 14th, 2011
2:14 pm
itchy trigger finger. I’m jumpy I guess.
Outside Observer
July 14th, 2011
2:14 pm
Dawginlex, I appreciate your comments, and your right to defend your team. Carry on!
JacketonProbation, no one is comparing the individual crimes (Who does that? Is there even a right answer?) Be honest, you brought up an example of a guy who committed a crime in 2005! The other had the charges dropped. Would you like to consider all crimes committed by UGA players since 2005? You just won the frickin Fulmer Cup last year. Idiot.
Jacob
July 14th, 2011
2:16 pm
It’s a yellow jacket, not a bee. Asshat.
wxwax
July 14th, 2011
2:16 pm
Knowshon Moreno getting trashed by Woody Paige in Denver.
No heart, bad in the locker room, a “bust.”
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Broncos-think-Knowshon-Moreno-is-a-bust.html
Curious George
July 14th, 2011
2:16 pm
How long has Beverly Hall been employed with Georgia Tech?
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 14th, 2011
2:16 pm
So which is it, I’m hearing Burnett got either a free Escalade or Rolex’s.
Either way no harm, no foul – even Spurrier said NCAA athletes should be paid for their services.
Curious George
July 14th, 2011
2:17 pm
When the TV movie is made about the Georgia Tech academic fraud scandal, will Tyler Perry play the role of Beverly Hall who fixes the test scores and falsifies entry requirements?
Brace For Impact!
July 14th, 2011
2:18 pm
We gonna need air bags when this Escalade hits!
JB
July 14th, 2011
2:18 pm
Chan will probably be available after this year in Buffalo.
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 14th, 2011
2:18 pm
So…yeah. If there’s not any chance of having scholarships, firings or postseason bans then I’m good. Take away the past all you want. This morning around 9am this fanbase was reading how dominant our linebackers were going to be. No one wants to face Tech with a decent defense! It’s still gonna be a good enough season! Let’s get this over with and here what hardware and other stuff we need to give back and apologize for, what changes we need to make, etc, and still go watch a good season unfold!
Go Jackets! (no matter what)
Curious George
July 14th, 2011
2:19 pm
If Coach Mark Richt had both Reggie Bush and Cam Newton on his team in the same year, and the public later found out both players were ineligible for the duration of that year, would the NCAA still make Georgia vacate that season’s loss to Florida?
Tom DienhartJust Tweeted
July 14th, 2011
2:19 pm
It’s about to go DOWN on North Avenue. CPJ and D-Rad shakin’ in their Russells.
Lowcountry Bulldawg
July 14th, 2011
2:20 pm
Good grief we got some political games going on here now. A Tech fan links the Denver Post article about Knowshon. All I wanna know is which team is the Democrats and which is the Republicans because the Spin Zone is in full effect now,lol!
1eyedJack
July 14th, 2011
2:21 pm
If they have to vacate the wins from 2009 that would make them 0 for the decade against the dawgs.
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 14th, 2011
2:21 pm
Using my handle again?! (re: 2:16pm)
D.Ellis
July 14th, 2011
2:21 pm
The Waffle House jokes are old.
Tech guys-I gotta believe you all are smart enough to come up with something else
then again…….
JacketonProbabtion
July 14th, 2011
2:22 pm
Ol Rueb played in 2007 though, didn’t he? The point is, when Dogs get arrested it is for “emerging from an alley” on a scooter or underage drinking.
At schools like tech it’s dealing enough Mary J to light up LaGrange; at Florida, it’s stealing a dead girls Visa and using it; at Auburn it’s gang-banging some poor kid and robbing them. At least Auburn’s AD made chizik “cut” those kids. Since Auburn lost it’s amateur status, Chizik has to make cuts, rather than Saban’s medical disqualifications.
You should absolutely make distinctions between these crimes. If you don’t, you’re probably a sociopath.
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 14th, 2011
2:22 pm
false, 1eyedJack, you beat us on BayBay’s dropped 4th down pass in 2009. It’s ironic.
JacketonProbabtion
July 14th, 2011
2:22 pm
And still #winning
Tech Class of 2013
July 14th, 2011
2:22 pm
WHEN AND WHERE IS THE TICKLE PILE FOR THE FIRST HOME GAME?
JB
July 14th, 2011
2:22 pm
” No one wants to face Tech with a decent defense”…………………Whew, you scared me there for a minute. Who’s coming back off last years unit to make that happen………and at 43 on rivals list in recruiting……Who’s coming in?
TheAntiMe
July 14th, 2011
2:23 pm
Buzz bee a yellow jacket.
GoldenRod
July 14th, 2011
2:23 pm
1eyedJack, you’re the kind of ignorant posting mutt that gives UGaG fans a bad name.
None of us GTU alums really, truly give a rat’s arse whether you leghumpers beat us in November.
Your team is 2 losses away from your missionary coach being fired anyway! Get back to the kitchen and make me some fries!
GT booster..
July 14th, 2011
2:23 pm
Guys….
Bradley is correct, no firing, no scholarship reductions & no Bowl ban…
Unfortunately, and due to lack of cooperation from the GTAA and that the actual violation occurred prior to the 2009 Ugag game, where of the 3 games in question 2 were losses.
The NCAA’s punishment will be forfeiture of the 2009 ACC Championship game. GT will be deemed to have lost due to playing 2 ineligible players… Clemson will be awarded the win & along with it the 2009 ACC Championship… Sorry, not a vacated win, but a forfeiture of the game…..
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 14th, 2011
2:25 pm
JB, there was a great article on Sugiura’s tech blog about it…right before this news broke. I’m glad you’ll be caught off guard by it actually. I like that the whole world uses the phrase “Tech doesn’t have the right personnel for the 3-4 yet.” It means they won’t see it coming.
Alan
July 14th, 2011
2:25 pm
Um Doug Roberson hasn’t covered tech in several months
Clemson Tiger
July 14th, 2011
2:25 pm
Enter your comments here
NCAA_Will_Drop_Ban_Hammer
July 14th, 2011
2:26 pm
If the Escalade rumors are true, that 2009 ACC title will definitely be in jeopardy.
Shame on Bay-Bey and Burnett!
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 14th, 2011
2:26 pm
GUYS, we freakin LOST to UGA in 2009! The win was in 2008 or is everyone THAT forgetful!!!? The win is preserved.
Clemson Tiger
July 14th, 2011
2:26 pm
WOOOOO-HOOOO!!!! WE ARE THE 2009 ACC CHAMPIONS!!!!
I cannot wait to watch my team play in the Orange Bowl.
Wait, what?!?!
JB
July 14th, 2011
2:27 pm
Today is a sad day for the Tweed Jacket set. The Real Tech Alum, who contribute to the success of this country…………………Tech folk on here are mostly under employed I assume.
I Hate Zach Klein
July 14th, 2011
2:28 pm
Why does he have to go and air our dirty laundry? No reason I DESPISE Twitter and Facebook.
Keep all the vacated wins up to the folks at that cesspool in Athens, Coach Paul Johnson runs a tight ship on the Flats!
PMC
July 14th, 2011
2:29 pm
Being holier than thou should be reserved for times when one isn’t in trouble.
The UGA vs GT and vise versa hate is kind of old and boring really. Two colleges occupy the same state…. ooooh lets hate each other.
Harvey D. Pooka
July 14th, 2011
2:29 pm
We go 125 + years with integrity in place, and then time and time again, “inquiries” arise. I hopd nobody is trying to make up for lost time. {Just need to emmulate the standards that Heisman, Alexander, and Dodd, and probably Curry and Fulcher; preahed and lived by,}
101 airborne
July 14th, 2011
2:30 pm
JB there were a lot more than 24,000 fans at the ACC championship game brother. I know you like living in that dream world where only in the SEC is “real” football and “real” fans but you’re wrong again as you are sooooo many other times. Get a life. Oh, and Georgia sucks, bad.
gdawginkalamazoo
July 14th, 2011
2:30 pm
Reggie Ball will have to return his Heisman.
TheAntiMe
July 14th, 2011
2:31 pm
“The win was in 2008″ – LMAO, you got that right – that was the one in 9 years! LMREO!
At the same time one of your other posters says that you alumni could care less about wins/losses against THE University of Georgia. Which is it?
Curious George
July 14th, 2011
2:32 pm
If Coach Mark Richt had both Reggie Bu$h and C@m Newton on his team in the same year, and the public later found out both players were ineligible for the duration of that year, would the NCAA still make Georgia vacate that season’s loss to Florida?
JB
July 14th, 2011
2:32 pm
I hope they don’t cut out the Fish fry’s. After losing to Georgia in 09, Johnson told the press they had bigger fish to fry. I guess we know what he really meant …………..And one year, you win and put the score nthe rings………..and the next year, losing to Georgia is no big deal??
GoldenRod
July 14th, 2011
2:33 pm
JoeSchad’s report is even worse than Zach Klein’s I wouldn’t go hating on Zach except he does host Bulldog Gameday which I find HIGHLY coincedental!
Outside Observer
July 14th, 2011
2:33 pm
GT Booster, I don’t think you can be correct. Similar to USC losing its title against Oklahoma and it not being awarded to them, Clemson can’t be awarded a championship they didn’t win. At worst, it would be a vacated championship that no one won.
JacketonProbation, since you decided to continue, I will leave one last comment for you. If Reuben played in 2007, it wasn’t at GT. Someone in the NFL might have given him a chance (the Bucs maybe?). Second, I won’t defend his actions as I think it is an incredibly dumb decision. However, if you want to claim UGA athletes have only been guilty of underage drinking and not sexual assault, leaving the scene of an accident, theft, etc all within the last few years, continue living in your bubble. Enjoy. To all other UGA fans, I promise, I have nothing against you or your team. It’s ignorant fools who live in a glass house that bother me. Tech isn’t perfect, neither is UGA. Denying that fact is foolish.
MarcWeiszer
July 14th, 2011
2:34 pm
Georgia Tech will vacate 2009 ACC title, source tells @CBSSports!
BOOOOOOOMMM!
JB
July 14th, 2011
2:35 pm
101 airborne…. I saw the shot from the air…………I’m not far off. And you are correct about one thing….We have sucked the last 2 years…………………But, you know we still managed to slip by the greatest football coach in America.
T3
July 14th, 2011
2:35 pm
So, lemme get this straight.
You’ve got essentially rogue programs like Oregon State, USC, Ohio State,
Auburn, Alabama, Miami and many others, violating WHOLE SECTIONS
of the NCAA rulebook and yet the NCAA struggles to find anything amiss.
Hell, it took the NCAA 4+ years to investigate USC, even after everyone in the
Greater Los Angeles metro area knew Reggie Bush and his family were getting
HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS in compensation.
And yet, of all the places in D-1 sports to look, Georgia Tech, with one of THE highest sets of academic standards and requirements for its athletes, SOMEHOW, finds itself under investigation by the NCAA.
UN–F******–BELIEVABLE.
TakeDown2009Banner
July 14th, 2011
2:36 pm
WGAS? We still beat UGaG in 2008! Roddy Jones is still running all up and down the field!
Leghumpers can’t even contend!
Sugar Hill Dawg
July 14th, 2011
2:37 pm
I’m late to this party – what did the Jackets allegedly do? If I have the facts straight, a watch and a t – shirt seem pretty insignificant to me. If Tech gets nailed for something this trivial, then THE Ohio State University should be required to play with no players on scholarships. (Given the general level of Big 10 (12ish?) pitifulness, they would still have a shot at the “Our Turn To Lose To An SEC Team” Division!) Also, can anyone head over to Athens and give some scooter riding lessons to the guys over there?
JB
July 14th, 2011
2:39 pm
Where is St.Simons?