This week’s Braves trade rumor: Beachy to the Pale Hose

Brandon Beachy and his peachy arm. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

Brandon Beachy, shown demonstrating his peachy arm. (AJC photo by Curtis Compton)

Last week Buster Olney of ESPN Insider wondered if the Braves would trade Jair Jurrjens, who just might be the National League’s starting pitcher in the All-Star Game. This week Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe asks if the Braves are interested in trading another good  young starter. No, not Tommy Hanson. Brandon Beachy.

Cafardo’s rationale:

[Beachy's]  success — 20 strikeouts, two earned runs in his last 12 innings –  since returning from the disabled list may accelerate a possible deal to improve the Braves’ offense. Whether Beachy would be trade bait is anyone’s guess, but his emergence could make a veteran such as Derek Lowe available. The White Sox recently sent Dave Yokum , their fine assistant general manager/pro scout, to watch Beachy and Braves’ pitching, so we’ll see if there’s any match, and whether the White Sox would ever consider dealing Carlos Quentin.

About Carlos Quentin: He’s 28; he plays right field and bats right-handed. He hit 36 home runs and drove in 100 runs for the ChiSox in 2008, but since he has been a hit-for-power-but-not-average guy. (Which kind of describes Dan Uggla as a Brave, come to think of it.) Quentin has 17 homers and 50 RBIs — both of which numbers would top the Braves — but is hitting .256. He’s under contract through the 2012 season, at which point he’ll be eligible to become an unrestricted free agent.

Would he help? Maybe. Probably. But not every transplanted bat — and the Braves have tried a few these past couple of years — has the desired impact. (Derrek Lee didn’t. Uggla hasn’t.)

Braves fans desirous of any sort of hitting upgrade would argue that in such a trade the Braves would lose only Beachy, who’s their fifth-best starter. The part that would make me leery is that Beachy’s stuff has been, to use the buzzword, electric. He still throws too many pitches, meaning his command isn’t all it should be, but he’s striking out guys, as Cafardo noted, by the boatload.

Me, I’d hate to give up a 24-year-old with that sort of arm for a one-year rental who’s not Albert Pujols. But maybe that’s just me, and I always think starting pitching should be hoarded. So I’m asking you, dear readers: Were you the Braves, would you do a Beachy-for-Quentin trade? I’ll hang up and listen to your answers.

By Mark Bradley

482 comments Add your comment

rawdawg

July 6th, 2011
3:27 pm

Ben

July 6th, 2011
3:28 pm

No… (and probably not first)

Mark Bradley

July 6th, 2011
3:30 pm

Just paste my kudos from today’s earlier post.

Michael

July 6th, 2011
3:30 pm

Top 5?
Would be big mistake. You are right, we need to hoard quality starters

Paul Scanling

July 6th, 2011
3:31 pm

No. Do not trade one of our great young starting pitchers for a half-season rental. If you can get someone under a long term contract who can significantly impact our offense, then trade away. Don’t take the short term view. Improve the team now and for the next couple of seasons.

ncb34

July 6th, 2011
3:33 pm

i would keep this team as it is.
i mean, the hitting can’t get much worse.. can it?
51-36 is a good record. the hitting problems can only go up from here.. i hope.

Greg

July 6th, 2011
3:34 pm

Agree completely… would NOT do that deal.

Heath

July 6th, 2011
3:34 pm

I say take a run at Matt Kemp. If cant, then keep the arms.

Abnerish

July 6th, 2011
3:34 pm

No chance…

Homer

July 6th, 2011
3:35 pm

Supes

July 6th, 2011
3:35 pm

How many ways can you say NO to this “trade”?

No Mark, you do not trade Beachy for Quentin.

TAC

July 6th, 2011
3:35 pm

Beachy’s command isn’t all it should be? Seriously? He’s a strike out pitcher for christ sake. He is gonna throw more pitches. Mark Bowman has already shot down that about Quentin becoming a Brave.

To answer your question “Beachy for Quentin trade”.

HELL NO! I think we have something really special in Beachy here. Quentin’s defense is horrible. His bat is the only thing we gain. If we are going to trade Beachy, I’d rather trade him for Justin Upton. 5 years or so of Beachy isn’t worth Quentin or Kemp IMO. I’m all for trading Mike Minor instead of Beachy.

bob

July 6th, 2011
3:35 pm

Absolutely not! Think Adam Wainwright. I don’t recall who we got for Wainwright (was it J.D. Drew?) but i know we didn’t get enough for a heckuva young arm

DawginLex

July 6th, 2011
3:36 pm

No No and NO

This kid is electric. You don’t trade that away.

No

bakerman

July 6th, 2011
3:36 pm

Not just no, hell no!!!!!!!!

skeltometer

July 6th, 2011
3:36 pm

No way, Boston Globe dude. Stick to the Sawx…

GStateBen

July 6th, 2011
3:37 pm

Makes no sense. Heyward is your Right Fielder. Prado returns and will be your Left Fielder/3rd baseman.

Package Beachy and Schafer to Houston for Michael Bourn and I’m absolutely in. Upgrade on defense, have yourself a bonafide lead off man (who already has 30+ steals) and will absolutely make the Phillies nervous.

TAC

July 6th, 2011
3:37 pm

Forgot to add. Justin Upton is already under a nice and fair contract through 2015. The only thing about getting him is the D-backs are in the play off hunt right now and I doubt he gets traded. Plus, their GM is Kevin Towers. You know? The guy that wanted Tommy Hanson, Yunel Escobar, Jeff Locke and Charlie Morton in the same trade?

Jt

July 6th, 2011
3:38 pm

Mama ain’t raised no fool! Beachy for nobody! That ain’t hap’n! There are no defensive positons they can afford to give away someone of Beachy’s value.

Mark Bradley

July 6th, 2011
3:38 pm

It was J.D. Drew for Adam Wainwright.

And let me clarify: Carlos Quentin is eligible to become a free agent after NEXT season. He’ll be arbitration-eligible after this season, and he’s making $5 million.

justdhoo

July 6th, 2011
3:38 pm

Definitely not. Beachy has way too much upside. The offense will come around. Pitching is our strong point and we need to live and die by it. If they’ll take Lowe though, get rid of him. In the whole time he’s been with the Braves he’s been excellent maybe 2 months and average or worse the rest of the time.

Gwinnett

July 6th, 2011
3:39 pm

Beachy, a 5th best starter? I am not so sure about that. I would put him at least even with Lowe, if not in front of him. When Beachy takes the mound, I give our Braves a 75% chance of winning the ball game. When Lowe takes the mound, im 50/50 at best. Plus, Beachy can project as a solid #3 starter on our club in the future behind JJ and Hansen. Lowe is going in the opposite direction. As opposed to Quentin, id rather see a high OBP player with some speed, for that never slumps. Wren would never double down on another Uggla.

Curious George

July 6th, 2011
3:39 pm

Why should Brandon Beachy be punished for doing a good job?

Why don’t we trade Larry Parrish instead?

TAC

July 6th, 2011
3:40 pm

For Jake Peavy…

the truth...

July 6th, 2011
3:40 pm

NO,NO,NO,NO,NO,NO

NCbrave

July 6th, 2011
3:40 pm

Enter your comments here

john10:10

July 6th, 2011
3:41 pm

Please, please don’t do this. The team, as constituted, is on a roll and to disturb the chemistry seems ill-timed. Wait for the guys we already have to hit. I’m not privy to what Frank Wren knows but dealing quality, inexpensive pitching for a rent-a-player who will probably end up somewhere else just makes no sense.

the truth...

July 6th, 2011
3:41 pm

Any one want to send us a rental….let them have Kawakami, and McLouth…….

TAC

July 6th, 2011
3:42 pm

ACTUALLY it was

Braves get : JD Drew and Eli Marrero

Cardinals get: Jason Marquis, Ray King, and Adam Wainwright

Kevin

July 6th, 2011
3:42 pm

Definitely something to consider. The Braves still have Minor who could be a 5th starter. Teheran isn’t that far away and Medlen could be helping out in the pen before the year is out.

kyle

July 6th, 2011
3:43 pm

Ummm No. Michael Borne? Maybe…. Maybe…. Maybe Minor & Vizcaino (sp?) for Borne. I’d do that.

Jack in Macon

July 6th, 2011
3:43 pm

The Braves are in more need of relief pitching. Venters’ arm is already about to fall off from being overworked. We also need a right-handed super utility player for the bench. Hopefully we can get those without having to give up someone as valuable as Beachy.

Fred

July 6th, 2011
3:43 pm

Trade Nate McClouth, Derek Lowe and Chipper Jones for Evan Longoria, Curtis Granderson and Roy Halladay.

kbrab

July 6th, 2011
3:43 pm

Not trading Beachy, Hanson or Jurrjens. I think Hudson has a no-trade clause of some sorts, but I love what he brings to the younger pitchers. Lowe or maybe one of the minor-leaguers (my vote would be Vizcaino or Delgado) would be the best bet to bring back a bat we need.

Cagey Veteran

July 6th, 2011
3:43 pm

No way, keep Beachy!

Mark, gotta give a quick shout out to Brian McCann. Staying in the game last night after that foul tip was big time toughing it out. Love that guy. And man am I glad I’m not a catcher…

Spider29

July 6th, 2011
3:44 pm

No! Hopefully the Braves have learned their lesson about trading for a one- (or part-) year rental. And what happens with the outfield? Does Heyward move to center? Heaven forbid that should happen. But as far as Quentin is concerned, I don’t think he is the guy that is going to improve this offense. I would rather we wait and see how Prado helps the offense when he returns and if Uggla and Heyward start hitting better after the break. Beachy is one of the pitchers I really enjoy watching and it would be a mistake to trade him for Quentin.

Ramblinwreck83

July 6th, 2011
3:44 pm

HELL NO!!!!!!!!

FunkyBobbyJ

July 6th, 2011
3:44 pm

Heck No!!! We are not in any panic situation here. If you were trading for a young shortstop or outfielder that was going to help you long term, maybe you do it. If someone wants to take on D-Lowe’s salary in exchange for a short-term bat, then you certainly talk. The hitting is showing signs of coming around – we can wait, no since making rash decisions

FunkyBobbyJ

July 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

sense – not since,

rlinaug

July 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

i don’t think i’d trade beachy. he’ll be the number 3 starter when lowe and hudson are gone. he’s a known major league commodity. i’d rather trade someone with less ML experience for a better hitter.

dam uggly

July 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

I am better than Quentin, did you see what I did last night. 2 for 2 with 2 walks. Can you say HEAT CHECK!

SimpleDawg

July 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

Don’t let idiots goad you into making another stupid trade for a rent-a-player.

Jt

July 6th, 2011
3:45 pm

There are no positions! Who is going to be displaced? Heyward? Prado in left? Chipper? Uggla? Hell no!- no way. Freeman, McCann- Gonzalez is the only option and that ain’t hap’n. So, then, who you get, a bench player? For Beachy- no way! It’s Uggla and /or (not both) Gonzo start hitting ( can even do it in tandem (only need one of them at a time). No trade can deliver-pieces are in place- players must perform.

Kevin

July 6th, 2011
3:46 pm

Trade with the Astros….Beachy and a top prospect for Hunter Pence….The Astros want major league ready talent and if we give them a starting pitcher and another top prospect I think they would strongly consider it.

NCbrave

July 6th, 2011
3:46 pm

We need a guy who can hit for average but still have some pop. I think we should wait a few more weeks to see how Prado effects the lineup. Also giving Uggla a few more weeks to see if he can do something. Thats two RHB who could carry this team for awhile. We just need to take things game by game.

But NO!!! Frank Wren do not trade Brandon Beachy!!!! This man is a stud and loves the competition (ex. MLB debut during September in Philly). He will only get better, I see no need to get rid of JJ, Beachy, Hanson, or Hudson. With those four I don’t think there is anything better in the NL. Derek Lowe is turning things around but my man is getting old and his salary is out the roof.

Ben

July 6th, 2011
3:46 pm

Quentin isn’t going to play CF, which once Prado comes back, becomes the only forseeable opening in the OF. Also, McLouth is already there taking up CF and another ~$5m. With Beachy at or near league minimum and the tight purse strings/hard budget of Liberty Media, Lowe or McLouth would have to go as a part of the exchange prior to or in picking up any sort of salary.

Even with Lowe’s salary out of the picture (Lowe for Quentin, which I’d be hard-pressed to call that a gain too), you’re then stuck with Prado on the bench as the super-utility guy, and he’s too valuable to keep out of the lineup.

If you’re going to pick up a corner outfielder from Chicago, Dayan Viciedo (in AAA) is the better option, and it’s a move for the future, not the team now (barring injuries).

Smart Jay

July 6th, 2011
3:47 pm

Dumb move. If only THIS had been floated by Buster Olney, then we’d know there was no chance of it happening.

JJ

July 6th, 2011
3:47 pm

Other teams are not going to take our garbage for their good players. If Beachy and other prospects could get Kemp then do it. If Minor and other prospects could get Bourne then do it. Both are good young players but neither are untouchable.

Bill

July 6th, 2011
3:51 pm

Bourn, hell yes! but no to Carlos. Only way for CQ would be if he signed 4 years deal. Beachy is to damn good to give up for one year player.

Puma

July 6th, 2011
3:51 pm

If you had asked me this prior to when Beachy went on the DL, I probably would have said yes given our pitching depth, but after seeing his start in Seattle, the guy is a machine. Great stuff, never seems to get disturbed by anything, no deer in the headlights looks on the mound, and to me he looks like the guy in Office Space.