A guess: All the NCAA sniffing won’t cost Auburn its BCS title
Gene Chizik at Talladega: Is the NCAA OK with this? (Photo courtesy of the Birmingham News)
SEC commissioner Mike Slive told a meeting of sports editors Monday he has received no word from the NCAA that it has closed its investigation of Cam Newton. This news — or non-news, depending on your slant — comes only days after Jon Solomon of the Birmingham News reported that Auburn admits the NCAA is investigating the (since-discontinued) Tiger Prowl.
A bit of background: The Tiger Prowl was initiated when Gene Chizik arrived in 2009 and involved Auburn coaches touring Alabama — and showing up at some of its high schools — in white stretch limousines. The NCAA has since passed legislation limiting the number of coaches who could visit a high school on the same day.
Another bit of background: The Tiger Prowl isn’t to be confused with Big Cat Weekend, an event staged at Toomer’s Corner involving fans and recruits that, in its 2009 manifestation, wound up being the source of five secondary NCAA violations.
The point being: When it comes to the NCAA and Auburn, you can’t tell the investigations without a scorecard. Solomon of the Birmingham News also reported last week that former Auburn player Chaz Ramsey — not to be confused with former Auburn player Eric Ramsey, whose tape-recorded conversations led to the fall of Pat Dye and deep-dish NCAA probation back in the ’90s — will meet with the NCAA regarding his allegations, made on HBO’s Real Sports, that he received money to play for the Tigers.
Oh, and there’s one more: It was reported by Thayer Evans of FoxSports in February that the NCAA has looked into Auburn’s recruiting of two players from Thibodaux, La.
And now you’re thinking: With all these probes ongoing, the NCAA has to be able to find something with which to hammer Auburn. Doesn’t it?
I’m not so sure. The Tiger Prowl thing could be another of those secondary-violation-spawners, and the Louisiana thing could amount to nothing. Auburn’s defense against the HBO-aired allegations was that none of the four ex-players has offered any proof, which isn’t the world’s worst defense. Which brings us back to Cam Newton, and here’s what I think will happen to Auburn regarding his recruitment:
Nothing.
At last check, men with ties to Mississippi State have admitted taking part in discussions with Cecil Newton, Cam’s father, about money. But the only suggestion that Auburn paid Cam/Cecil has taken the form of leaping logic: If the dad wanted $180,000 to sign with Mississippi State, does it make sense that the son would enroll at another school for free? But a logical leap is not proof.
As I read it, the SEC school that should be worried isn’t the one that landed Cam but the one that didn’t. I say again: Men with ties to Mississippi State have admitted taking part in discussions regarding money and a recruit. This could well have been a case of boosters talking through their hats — meaning nobody actually intended to pay Cecil Newton a dime — but can the NCAA and the SEC let such an admission slide?
Many among us insist it’s only a matter of time before something is found that will stick to Auburn, but I’ve come to believe any such something will not — repeat, will not — involve Cam Newton. Unless/until someone offers evidence that he (or his dad) received improper benefits from Auburn, the Tigers will keep their BCS title. And I’m not sure such evidence exists.
By Mark Bradley
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MatthewH
April 19th, 2011
10:51 am
Just go ahead and make D-I the minor leagues for the NFL. Save a lot of headache. And, first.
War Eagle 30082
April 19th, 2011
10:54 am
First?
War Eagle 30082
April 19th, 2011
10:55 am
Oh, well. Another fail…
Mark Bradley
April 19th, 2011
10:56 am
Fail? I think not. There’s no dishonor in being first runner-up.
Mark Bradley
April 19th, 2011
10:57 am
And kudos to MatthewH.
War Eagle 30082
April 19th, 2011
10:58 am
OK, I’ll get in touch with my inner Duck…as in Oregon Duck.
Fact Checker
April 19th, 2011
11:01 am
Mark:
It was Eric Ramsey who taped Dye, et al in the ’90s, not Kevin.
Mark Bradley
April 19th, 2011
11:02 am
Ah, yes. Kevin Ramsey was the Georgia defensive coordinator. Sorry.
Mattyb
April 19th, 2011
11:04 am
Mark,
I sure hope you’re wrong on this one. It’s fairly obvious that this is a rotten egg and it will be a shame if they don’t find the evidence to prove it.
VININGSDAWG
April 19th, 2011
11:04 am
So you have been reading Stewart Mandel again. AS Mandel has suggested as with Gregg Doyel of CBS Sports, all of this is stirred by other interests. Tiger Prowl if anyhting would be secondary violations. The NCAA has already cleared anything you thought might have gone on in Louisiana and Arkansas. There will be nothing from the HBO hit piece. Where is the proof? MCClover gets a boag of caash and doesn;t know how much. Chaz Ramsey is a known con artist and the others have no credibility. I agree with Gregg Doyel there are others stirring this pot.
Glorious Day
April 19th, 2011
11:05 am
It will be a glorious day when all of UGA’s sins come home to roost.
THE MAJOR
April 19th, 2011
11:05 am
ONCE AGAIN LOSERS COMPLAIN THAT WINNERS CHEAT
War Eagle 30082
April 19th, 2011
11:06 am
Back to the subject at hand…all Auburn fans can do is hope that nothing is ever found to warrant punishment, which is really all that fans of any team can do. The NCAA always has their radar out looking for violations. Just because we know that Auburn is under a microscope right now doesn’t change anything for Auburn fans. It might cause a slight rise in blood pressure, but that’s about all.
devil dawg
April 19th, 2011
11:08 am
If it smells like cheating, and it looks like cheating, and its named Gene Chizik, its probably cheating. Auburn: The most dishonest SEC program for 30 years running. Be proud.
Bodda Getta
April 19th, 2011
11:11 am
Glorious,
I agree. Nothing wll come of this latest investigation. The NCAA has already investigated Auburn every possible way and has found nothing.
The NCAA is investigating the wrong school right now.
UGA is already at six NCAA violations so far this year with an investigation coming on the gifts to the Columbus recruits.
They are coming home to roost in Athens.
Prime Time
April 19th, 2011
11:12 am
I still would like to know more about the money that mysteriously showed up at Rev. Newton’s church. Have not seen much press coverage about that.
DawginLex
April 19th, 2011
11:12 am
dream on bodda getta.
Stealing stuff from lockers and the school is going to get an NCAA violation?
Dream on idiot boy.
War Eagle 30082
April 19th, 2011
11:13 am
Oh yeah, and the NCAA sniffing around someone else’s school causes a lot more excitement in the fans of other schools.
That’s you, devil dawg, foaming at the mouth. Me? I have no control overwhat happens, so I just have to wait and see.
Mike Jay
April 19th, 2011
11:13 am
Not so fast Shultzie. It took the NCAA years to finally drop the hammer on the Reggie Bush nonsense.
Bodda Getta
April 19th, 2011
11:14 am
…and AJ Green’s jersey was “stolen” ?
devil dawg
April 19th, 2011
11:14 am
What gifts? You mean the stolen stuff? Dude, you are straight retarded if you try and spin that any other way. And the other secondary violations were incurred by Ray Drew himself, not UGA. But UGA has to report it. You need to go back to your basement and get back to what ever World of Warcraft game is on. Freakin idiot, geez! Auburn, if you ain’t cheatin, you ain’t tryin.
Bodda Getta-= posterchild for birth control.
DC
April 19th, 2011
11:15 am
Thank you MB, I have been “preaching” this for a while now to these sad dawg and disgruntled bama fans…I’m sure this blog will be filled with Lowder, Colonial bank, smoke > fire, $cam, FBI, and a bunch of Dawg drool in a few hours…
As an AU fan, do I believe money passes hands after games?..YES..do I belive that all schools do this?..YES..doesn’t make it right and it doesn’t excuse past transgressions…but don’t act like your school is a bunch of saints…
Bodda Getta
April 19th, 2011
11:16 am
…and I suspect you are going to blame the illegal practice violation on Isaiah Crowell.
devil dawg
April 19th, 2011
11:17 am
War Eagle, when you watch another school cheat over and over, its not fun. Not foaming at the mouth, thatd be your wife. Im just tired of a second rate school getting heaps of praise when in reality, your just a bunch of losers and cheaters. Glad your trees died.
DawginLex
April 19th, 2011
11:18 am
bodda getta,
Are you so filled with hatred for UGA that it has turned you stupid?
Minor violations
Self reported
No further penalties
Read slow so you can comprehend.
devil dawg
April 19th, 2011
11:18 am
Nope, thatd be on Richt. Wow, you got me. One secondary violation. Geez, call the authorities. Your dad should have worn a condom, done us all a favor.
Accountabilabuddy
April 19th, 2011
11:19 am
do you people even read the articles? you have one guy saying that the recruits at UGA were “given” electronics (eventhough they were arrested for STEALING them). And then another goof replying to Schultz.
Bradley, can you require an intellect test to be authorized to post on these blogs? Sheesh
DawginLex
April 19th, 2011
11:20 am
That picture above:
Chizik on the cell phone with his wife talking into a mic:
Honey I’ll be right home. Practice is running a little late today.
Iam4AU
April 19th, 2011
11:20 am
I fear you are wrong. The NCAA already has a statement from Cecil that he was shopping his son’s services, a violation of NCAA rules. In both the USC and Tennessee Notices of Allegations, the NCAA said that the schools “knew or should have known” what was going on.
Another line of jeopardy is that the NCAA doesn’t need much in the way of proof. It is not a court of law and if they can demonstrate that a reasonable individual would conclude that wrongdoing had occurred, it’s proof enough and they nail you. I don’t think they ever found an actual money trail between Alabama and its rogue boosters back in 2001. But Bammer got the Hammer, anyway.
I won’t rest until the NCAA gives the “all clear,” but the media pressure for them to do something, anything makes Auburn too tempting of a target. I think we still keep the trophies but I worry more about the future impact of sanctions and penalties.
m
April 19th, 2011
11:23 am
Tech didn’t get any players good enough to get them in trouble.
No way Auburn skates on all this-their fellow cheaters in Tuscaloosa will not let it go. I predict both programs will be on big probation in the next 2 years.
jhughes
April 19th, 2011
11:27 am
being a Georgia fan i dont care but Mark you just Jinxed Auburn they are now in it deep!!!!
DC
April 19th, 2011
11:29 am
Also, NCAA stating that Cam was free to play was them saying “with ALL THE EVIDENCE, we feel that there isn’t enough evidence to do something to Cam or AU or Miss State”…thoughts?
juvenal
April 19th, 2011
11:29 am
Lex, got a friend’s an AU alum, made him laff by asking about his chiggers-CHeatingtIGGERS…course, haven’t lost to them this century, Reggie had his moments……
Ralph
April 19th, 2011
11:30 am
thUGA fans and the AJC sports writers are aghast that there is no fire for the NCAA to point to for all of the smoke they put out.
404
April 19th, 2011
11:33 am
Once again, the AJC…PURPOSELY…glosses over the glaringly obvious facts.
The CFO from Cecil Newton’s Newna, Ga church, Ms. Bobbie Blandburg,
has already stated in the NY TIMES, that she has no idea WHERE the money
came from to pay for all of the city-mandated repairs to the church.
She has no idea where the $60,000 for repairs came from ??
I’ll bet “Pastor” Cecil Newton knows.
As I have said before: Money ALWAYS leaves a trail.
And eventually, that money trail will lead back to Auburn.
So, the REAL question for Bradley, the AJC< and thos blog is this:
Why has the AJC refused to pursue this ??
m
April 19th, 2011
11:33 am
Tho only surprise is believing any decent players would choose to go to school in South Alabama without being paid
PAY4PLAY
April 19th, 2011
11:35 am
NCAA simply has to wait for the federal investigations of the current Board of Trustee members that are on trial for a multitude of felonies. The feds dont care about the NCAA trying to save face, they are a joke and Slive is the biggest clown of the bunch. Everyone in the nation knows Auburn is dirty although it may take years for these trials to wrap up and for the NCAA to get their hands on the evidence needed. By the time Auburn goes down (which they will go down) Cam Newton will already be out of the league and a non issue. Jamarcus Russel 2K11
Paolo Brutachelli
April 19th, 2011
11:37 am
I must admit it was I, I, Paolo Brutachelli, who outed Cam Newton. Well, I don’ta mean I outed him ifa you know what I mean’a. I simply suggesteda that he come’a to Auburn’a with a little extra incentive’a. Yes, a lifetime supply of Mama Brutachelli’s best ravioli, spaghetti and lasagna, with a side of prochut. A Mami Mia.. and that is whata happened’a. Miss State Bulldog’a no compete’a with Mama Brutachelli.
Alabama | MrSEC.com
April 19th, 2011
11:38 am
[...] 1. Nick Saban has had to use two quarterbacks in a season before… and he may do it again — by choice — this fall.2. Journalists and bloggers got to work first-hand with game officials at Alabama’s spring game. A very interesting read. In fact, a must read for all the ref-bashers out there.3. Auburn’s quarterback race is too close to call.4. Tiger offensive lineman Aubrey Phillips has something to prove on The Plains.5. A few final practice notes from AU’s spring drills can be found here.6. Here’s more on Ryan Mallett’s draft status.7. Former LSU Tiger Patrick Peterson wants to be the first cornerback taken with the #1 overall pick in the draft.UPDATE — 8. For all the NCAA investigations into Auburn, this writer thinks Mississippi State might have more to worry about than the Tigers. [...]
AthensDawg
April 19th, 2011
11:40 am
Of course they won’t get stripped of the title. The NCAA has been very shaky lately on some investigations. I do not trust them on anything anymore.
DawginLex
April 19th, 2011
11:47 am
The above picture:
“I am pleased to announce that Auburn University has already clinched another title. The 2011 Fulmer Cup where we have already set a record for points and we are not even into the summer trouble making months yet.”
bbutler
April 19th, 2011
11:48 am
Cry me a river Mark Bradley give it a break. Find something else to talk about. You are an Auburn Hater!
jarvis
April 19th, 2011
11:50 am
Bradley has made an official prediction. Given his prowess as a prognosticator, Auburn might as well hand the trophy back now.
electric78
April 19th, 2011
11:51 am
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electric78
April 19th, 2011
11:57 am
This is the same guy who pleaded for Cam to sit when they played UGA. The same guy who said South Carolina had better coaches in the SEC championship game. HEADLINE: Mark Bradley is clueless when it comes to college football!!!!!! Stick to reporting on the Bravos
Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
12:00 pm
When a school has multiple investigation going on, the most common action is they will find something and once they find something the issues become large.
For anyone who thinks there are not coaches, administrators or investigators that are anxious to see Auburn get hit, think again. There are active and inactive coaches who are willingly turning over evidence to the NCAA of especially two coaches who have broken rules from Auburn.
Too much smoke and activity around the plains for them to walk away clean.
Once again ….none of the investigations at Auburn have been closed and that spell trouble.
It took 3 years to get bama, 4 years to get USC, 3 years to pop FSU …..tick tock tick tock
South GA Dawg
April 19th, 2011
12:00 pm
If AU was guilty there would not be all of this scutiny. Noone accused Alabama of Florida of paying players when they won the NC. They are quilty. The only question is can anyone prove it?
Bodda Getta
April 19th, 2011
12:06 pm
AU is not guilty and the truth is we have never cheated! EVER!
BAMA makes all this up to even the playing field.
We will repeat as NC
RxDawg
April 19th, 2011
12:06 pm
Auburn has become very very good at cheating throughout the years. We all know it’s rampant on the plains, but it will be hard to get hard evidence of it.
wxwax
April 19th, 2011
12:07 pm
The NCAA is a hopeless mess.
They lack the investigative authority to really uncover anything. They give the appearance of being capricious, arbitrary and craven.
And since the death penalty shocked them by killing football at SMU, they’ve refused to use their most potent punishment.
NCAA rules enforcement is a sham.
Cam "The Icon" Newton
April 19th, 2011
12:09 pm
WHERE THE FREE LAPTOPS AT ???????
gdawginkalamazoo
April 19th, 2011
12:10 pm
Regarding that photo, those are the type of violations we can all agree are good.
ShawDiddi
April 19th, 2011
12:12 pm
If they havent found anything by now they arent going to find anything. Georgia fans are just mad bc they have a top 5 recruiting class EVERY year and cant even make it to the Peach Bowl. Terrible! WDE
George G.
April 19th, 2011
12:16 pm
Prime Time –
The reason you haven’t seen much press coverage on Cecil Newton’s church is because there’s no story there. Work was done to prevent it from being condemned, but it still hasn’t received a Certificate of Occupancy yet. The place is essentially an airplane hangar. Perhaps you should educate yourself on the story before jumping to conclusions. Just a thought.
We must get a minor league FB league
April 19th, 2011
12:20 pm
The darn NCAA football thing is corrupted. Any kid that desires a pro career should go into a NFL instructional program where the NFL eventually and contractually pays for COLLEGE and meals and dorm facilities and spending money while they learn pro ball. Period. These kids can play in some sort of minor league that specializes in player development and if/when the kids fails, he then enters some JC or whatever college he can get into all paid for by the NFL. His playing days will be over or by then, ineligible to play NCAA ball. THEN …………… if he wants it, he can get a degree.
This crap about signing kids for academics is a farse and a joke. If my UGA fields a slower team, fine. That is what we saw in the 60s anyway. Your pull for your school, fast or slow. It is still about tradition and fun.
This system allows the real big time players to advance past HS and enjoy some money. If they shine in the instructional league, then they can jump ship after two or three years, get drafted and play with the big boys on Sunday. The colleges would be freed up of the Scam Newton crap.
War Eagle
April 19th, 2011
12:23 pm
How many NCAA reps have been down to Auburn over the last 9 months? I don’t know the answer although I would have to imagine a number of them. They haven’t found anything that they could punish Auburn for doing. We get these type of articles that just keep the Cam story going, going, and going. Call me when/if they have any proof of 1 allegation against Auburn that isn’t a secondardy violation. Let’s not bother counting secondary violations because they don’t mean anything other than we all some of goof ups. The rules with NCAA are so difficult to manage.
GA fans. Have fun being 8-4 the rest of the time that you have God Richt as your coach. He should have fired all but 2 of his assistant coaches this past year. What is your record against Florida over the last 20 years? Auburn is 8-3 the last 11 games against our rival Bama.
moops
April 19th, 2011
12:24 pm
The only time AU has been above average is when they are on probation or are about to be (see 2010 season). It may take a few years, but the hammer will drop. All of their fans have their head stuck in the sand. Enjoy it while it lasts.
captguitarman
April 19th, 2011
12:24 pm
Your last paragraph was right on the money except for the “(or his dad)” part of it. If a player does not knowingly take money or whatever largesse, he is not responsible for what his Dad or other relatives might have done. The old, “well, he just had to know,” theory is not enough to establish guilt in the American legal system, and it should not be in the NCAA. Imagine the chaos that could erupt if family relatives, corrupt agents, corrupt boosters, sports groupies, potential entourages, moochers, hangers-on, or even reporters looking to help their careers could have “conversations” with other boosters from other schools about how they know exactly what it will take to get their guy to sign, or conversations about “here’s the deal” etc. etc. without the player’s knowledge or participation??? And under the looney thinking in the Newton case (motivated by national championship envy, obviously), they don’t even have to talk anyone from the school the kid actually attends. They can stir the pot with any school they choose and get the same result. Well, we’d better sit the kid down until we know if his dad, uncle, grandma, or second cousin once removed really did have conversation with Agent X about the 200 large being available from Faber Univerisity. Job done. The kid sits. No proof necessary. That is how the SEC looney toons wanted it to go with Newton. If credible evidence is found that Newton and Auburn were in on some kind of a deal (who knows what kind that might be since Mississippi State was the offending school), they should burn for it – and strip Auburn of the title. And the SEC should look for it as long as it feels it has good reason to do so. Outside of that, there’s nothing else to say. Good column – good common sense.
moops
April 19th, 2011
12:26 pm
War Eagle – What’s your all time record against Bama? How do the titles compare between the 2? Thanks, I’ll wait for your response.
Problem is, none of those many investigations are closed. Just because there isn’t info coming out, doesn’t mean they aren’t still looking.
terry
April 19th, 2011
12:26 pm
Mark,
I think you might be wise to keep your eyes on the La. thing.
It’s one thing to “do what you do” in your home state but when you start to do this in other states you are treading on thin ice.
SAL
April 19th, 2011
12:28 pm
No connemt!
Dawglasville
April 19th, 2011
12:28 pm
Mark, you sure have spent a lot of time debunking Auburn conspiracies and rumors. I’m really not being a smart-alec. Is there really this much interest in the Atlanta area about this story?
Mike
April 19th, 2011
12:29 pm
The way I look at it, it’s not a matter of the NCAA digging for stuff with the whole “it’s coming” notion that’s shared by many people.
For a 3 month stretch, Auburn was houded by every media outlet in the country…not just sports. Thayer Evans made it his personal goal in life to take down Auburn and he came up with nothing other than looking like a moron. If everyone from ESPN, to WSB, to al jazeera couldn’t come up with anything tangible…why are we supposed to think anything is going to happen?
Mark Bradley
April 19th, 2011
12:30 pm
There are more Auburn alums living in metro Atlanta than Georgia Tech alums, FYI.
Ned's Yost
April 19th, 2011
12:30 pm
FIRE FREDI GONZALEZ !!!!!!!!!!!
War Eagle
April 19th, 2011
12:31 pm
Moops-We have 2 titles and got hosed out of one in 2004. Bama has many more national championships then auburn. What happened in 50’s, 60’s and 70’s etc has no bearing on the program today. I don’t have access to the all time record for the Iron Bowl. My point is that bragging about championships won 50 years (great and they should be proud of it) has little or no bearing on the state of the program today. Don’t get me wrong, Bama is firing on all cylinders right now and Auburn is another 1 to 2 years away from being elite for a long time. My point is that GA has had some great players over the years and Richt can’t seem to put a full season together.
Agreed. NCAA needs to move faster and get these things closed either way.
War Eagle
April 19th, 2011
12:33 pm
Yo Mark-Is Auburn still your most hated SEC school? I think you wrote and article last year about it. Was your first wife an AU grad? Apologize if I have mistaken you for another writer.
Tom
April 19th, 2011
12:34 pm
One thing I find hilarious is nobody mentions that McClover said he received a book bag of cash with approximately 2,000 dollars in it. I was just wondering why you would need a bookbag to give someone twenty 100 dollar bills. Joke. Goes to show you how dumb some of these athletes are.
terrya
April 19th, 2011
12:36 pm
Never in the history of the NCAA has a football team seen the jealousy factor raised to the quotient of infinity among its rivals. Auburn won the NC. Cam Newton won the Heisman. 28-27. DEAL WITH IT!!!
WAR EAGLE!!!
Mark Bradley
April 19th, 2011
12:36 pm
Not most hated. Most obnoxious. Big difference.
Tom
April 19th, 2011
12:38 pm
Let’s get real here. Even if they were twenty dollar bills.
War Eagle
April 19th, 2011
12:41 pm
Mark-Come on man. I’ve been to almost every school for a game. You got hooked up with the wrong crowd. I’d have to put TN and BAMA at the top of it. I loved Gainesville . LSU probably was a close 3rd for being obnoxious. GA would be next on my list.
Guess you won’t take me up on an offer to join us for a game next year. I wouldn’t either considering you don’t know the idiot typing on this end. LOL.
Aunt Bee
April 19th, 2011
12:42 pm
The NCAA can’t close an investigation of the Cam Newton situation AT Auburn, when an investigation at Auburn has never been opened. Seems the “investigation” centers on Mississippi State.
Bobo Cop
April 19th, 2011
12:44 pm
Sweet, that means that All-barn is going down! Thanks, Bark Madley!
Tom
April 19th, 2011
12:45 pm
The NCAA can’t close an investigation of the Cam Newton situation AT Auburn, when an investigation at Auburn has never been opened. Seems the “investigation” centers on Mississippi State.
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Correct. And if Cam Newton is eventually ruled ineligible for what happened at Miss State, Auburn will walk from it because of the situation we were put in. The NCAA cleared him to play. What were we supposed to do? Bench him? Please. We did everything that any school in that position would have done. Unless there is evidence Auburn paid Cam we would win on appeal.
UGA_2001
April 19th, 2011
12:49 pm
Auburn deserves the death penalty. Look at all of these SEPARATE issues they are being investigated for.
They are a disgrace to college football and should be made into an example.
KNOW YOUR ROLE, AUBURN.
Tom
April 19th, 2011
12:52 pm
Auburn deserves the death penalty. Look at all of these SEPARATE issues they are being investigated for.
They are a disgrace to college football and should be made into an example.
KNOW YOUR ROLE, AUBURN.
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You are a disgrace you jealous homer. I can see why you would be jealous. Consdidring UGA is the last of the SEC power programs to not win a title in the BCS era. Auburn should have two. Congratulations, you are in last place.
Tom
April 19th, 2011
12:53 pm
TENN, LSU, FLORIDA, BAMA, AUBURN. who is left out? Congrats, you are the in the category with ARK.
Dam0n sang old skool ;)
April 19th, 2011
12:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGXC5cIIYys
Eddie
April 19th, 2011
1:00 pm
No, ARK is better than GA.
MSU is too.
Proved it on the field.
Randall "Pink" Floyd
April 19th, 2011
1:00 pm
Nothing needs to be made official. Auburn’s title is forever tainted. And their program as a whole will continue to be the butt of jokes and ridicule for a llllllooonnnnnng time. AU will get what it deserves the slow way via the avalanche of non-respect paid to it by media and the general football public for the foreseeable future.
Eddie
April 19th, 2011
1:04 pm
Jealous people try to joke and ridicule successful people all the time.
It comes with the territory.
It is not pretty.
Clarke County Jail Officer
April 19th, 2011
1:05 pm
Its nice to see Ole Saint Rick has his gang of future convicts under control!!
gdawginkalamazoo
April 19th, 2011
1:08 pm
Tom, regarding that bookbag full of cash it probably came from the “Strippers for Auburn” arm of the Tigers booster club, all $1 bills.
Buckeye
April 19th, 2011
1:10 pm
SEC! SEC!
Aunt Bee
April 19th, 2011
1:10 pm
Tom – I absolutely agree. I wish someone would explain to me why fans of all of these schools, that Auburn beat, continulously put Auburn down. It makes them look immature to say a school with less talent, cheat, etc., beat them.
War Eagle
April 19th, 2011
1:12 pm
Funny thing about the latest arrests from GA is that they were just recruits. Dam. These guys are stealing stuff before they even get on to the campus as a student.
Will
April 19th, 2011
1:14 pm
Mark,
Doesn’t the AJC have an investigative journalist on the payroll? All you have to do is some snooping around and discover that Auburn paid Cecil Newton a LARGE sum of money which was funneled into his church. Please tell me you people are smarted than that.
Old Dawg
April 19th, 2011
1:15 pm
If we review the history of NCAA investigations, we know that once it gets the scent of something going wrong it doesn’t back off until it uncovers violations, even if they’re minor.
I agree with many folks that the NCAA is a mess of an organization and needs to be reorganized. If and when that happens is another story.
However, if I’m the AD and president of Auburn I’d be very aggressive in my communications with alumni, boosters and recruiters, reminding them of the NCAA’s continuing investigations. Remember, one slip-up by any of the above can open the cases and create an eventual violation.
I don’t really care about Auburn, my points are based simply on the history of NCAA investigations.
UGA Insider
April 19th, 2011
1:17 pm
War Eagle:
Auburn was leading everyone for the services of the CB recruit as I am told.
DC
April 19th, 2011
1:17 pm
Don’t you all find it interesting that no one bailed ship from AU after the won the title..ie coaches..just something to think about.
gdawginkalamazoo
April 19th, 2011
1:21 pm
War Eagle, the recruits don’t get into armed robbery until they get to the plains.
o_krush
April 19th, 2011
1:26 pm
LMAO@ the trials over the gambling involving McGregor (they can try and spin him as big ties to AU all they want….he donated to the new arena was the first time I ever heard him related to AU and I grew up there) and Lowder but there is nothing there related to the AU football team so dream on.
Take a moment and consider the possibility that the reason there is no proof is that there is nothing to prove. It is funny that not a single person outside AU considers it.
As far as the church I trust nothing of what the NYT writes about AU considering their recent ast and the questionable ethics of their writers involved.
SHolmes
April 19th, 2011
1:28 pm
They don’t want to find anything and if they do, it’s too costly to admit it.
It’s all about the money.
phil
April 19th, 2011
1:30 pm
Coach Cheatzik, Scam Newton, poisoned trees…
what a mess…and what a stinkin, rotten program…much to be proud of.
And the title will be stripped…only a matter of time until that proof is found.
o_krush
April 19th, 2011
1:33 pm
Mark, Auburn are most obnoxious?
Take a trip to Baton ROuge or maybe spend some time in Tuscaloosa.
THey have two all american QB’s again…..apparently. Never mind they have hardly played in a college game and stunk up the field in their aday.
Moops: Head to head is 38-40-1….you guys are totally dominant ….[/sarcasm]
But it is 15-12 since Bear passed and 12-10 since we stopped playing at “neutral” Legion field (in case you need to be told those favor Auburn)
GTT
April 19th, 2011
1:34 pm
“Tho only surprise is believing any decent players would choose to go to school in South Alabama without being paid”
Geography lesson: Auburn is in the middle of the state, east side. Don’t believe it look at Georgia and Alabama side by side and see where Macon, the heart of Middle Georgia lies in relation to Auburn.
phil
April 19th, 2011
1:34 pm
Eddie – Ain’t no jealousy going on with me….it’s obvious your team is as crooked as a branch on those poisoned trees…
phil
April 19th, 2011
1:35 pm
Sad to think that middle Georgia is anywhere near Fraudburn…
DollarDawg43
April 19th, 2011
1:36 pm
The root of the problem lies with the NCAA itself.
Things like the Tiger Prowl and Big Cat Weekend should NOT be a problem but the NCAA legislates such minutae that events like these (one meant to create excitement, another to provide a fun and relaxed atmosphere for recruits and supporters, etc.) become secondary violations for the school.
If players got money to play for Auburn (or any school) then, yes, hammer them but events like the ones herein are part of what makes college football fun.
1eyedJack
April 19th, 2011
1:38 pm
Does one of Herschel’s identities still want to be an FBI agent? Sic him on Awbun. The NCAA has just about lost all credibility. I mean, how bad can they screw something up? ‘Bout as bad as Obummer.
IRISH DAWG
April 19th, 2011
1:38 pm
AUBURN FOOTBALL PLAYERS ROB TRAILER PARKS,HOW LOW IS THAT?
ClinchCountyDawg
April 19th, 2011
1:40 pm
War Eagle
Not proven guilty yet and innocent are not the same thing. Look at all the investigators going to Awbarn. Usually, when you see a cloud of blow flies, there is a pile of crap in the area.
McDawg
April 19th, 2011
1:45 pm
-could you imagine UGA staff prowling around the state in a stretch limo-the administration would not have waited for the NCAA to shut it down
its called class
sogadog
April 19th, 2011
1:45 pm
Was Gene Chizic in that photo? I didnt notice.
A guess..... Chaddd Scottt will never work in Sports Media again
April 19th, 2011
1:57 pm
blah blah blah blah. well done Bradley.
kimmer
April 19th, 2011
2:00 pm
Nice Bradley. You repeated AU’s talking points almost to perfection. It goes something like this. “Auburn has nothing to worry about but Mississippi State does.” Meanwhile, the NCAA is opening a branch investigation office in Auburn, AL but no activity in Starkville.
The only reason the NCAA even knows that Cecil asked for money for Cam at MState was because THE SCHOOL TURNED IT IN! But they did not report it as a violation. The talking the men ‘admitted to’ was that Cecil contacted them and asked for money & they promptly reported this to the AD. You make it sound like they offered him money. You want to give AU the benefit of doubt on the ‘leap of logic’ but not MSU. Wonder why?
Gary
April 19th, 2011
2:01 pm
I hope other teams use this as fuel to crush them back to where they belong… The 7th best team in the SEC.
gdawginkalamazoo
April 19th, 2011
2:04 pm
ClinchCoDawg, the reason there are a lot of NCAA investigators flocking to Auburn is because the cash cow is paying them off. See how easily that one was explained away. Can you say bonus time?
DC
April 19th, 2011
2:05 pm
Gary…wake up.
Honest Observer
April 19th, 2011
2:06 pm
Auburn has one of the best coaching staffs in college football. Auburn has 3 very good recruiters on the staff. They are agressive and excellent. Chizik has 3 undeated seasons since 2004 in major college football as Defensive Coordinator or Head Coach. Mahlzan is the most effective and creative and highest paid Offensive Coordinator. Give them their due and wait to lambast them if there is any wrong doing.
Eddie
April 19th, 2011
2:09 pm
Take a good look at the photo above UGA guys.
While you are at Talladega hoisting empty kegs over your head and spooning the other UGA guys, the Auburn men are going home with your women.
Come on Son
April 19th, 2011
2:11 pm
Still waiting for the NCAA to complete that investigation of the Duke Final Four team that had Corey Magettee and his allegations….
Bo in North Carolina
April 19th, 2011
2:22 pm
DawginLex he might have said I’ll be home later but her reply was Don’t bother.
Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
2:22 pm
Hey you Dumb Auburn Fans:
The statement of not finding anything in nine months is by far the stupidest statement yet.
It is called building a case and case file.
How long did it take at Alabama? 3 years
How long did it take at USC? 4 years
FSU? 3 years
And those programs cooperated. Auburn has used the “Lowder” method, of stonewalling, denying and flat out lying.
DC
April 19th, 2011
2:25 pm
Tell the truth…please revisit the USC case…”and those programs cooperated”…
Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
2:27 pm
The Internet is working in Auburn Alabama again.
Honest Observer proved that with his “unbiased” blog post.
Hollywould
April 19th, 2011
2:29 pm
Cry you dawg boys/whoops there goes Fairley past your OFFENSIVE line again. I love it!!!
Dr. Phil
April 19th, 2011
2:29 pm
Apparently Bobby Lowder has bribed his way back onto the Auburn Board of Trustees. Lowder was the architect of the pay for play program under his favorite son, Pat Dye, and Terry Bowden. Lowder’s reemergence on the Board is bad news for Auburn.
Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
2:32 pm
USC did, Bush did not. And when comparing USC, FSU and Alabama. To Auburn it makes Auburn look like a “hostile witness” on the stand.
The NCAA is still upset that Auburn and Cecil went back on their agreement to not associated with any portion of Auburn and the program and he did.
next year... just wait
April 19th, 2011
2:34 pm
if u steal from the dream team, does that make u part of the dream team???
Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
2:35 pm
Bobby Lowder does not “bribe” associates and co workers. He blackmails those people. He saves the bribes for recruits and recruits parents.
GT81Lawyer
April 19th, 2011
2:36 pm
Okay, football aside, what do they feed those Auburn cheerleaders? Hormone laced chicken? Whoa!!
TrishaDishaWarEagle
April 19th, 2011
2:37 pm
As the STARS who were team mates of chaz ramsey point out, “..If we didn’t get paid, why would the bench warmer get paid”.
WAR DAMN EAGLE
NATIONAL CHAMPION AU TIGERS
DawginLex
April 19th, 2011
2:38 pm
In that picture, chizik is asking the crowd:
Is there anyone out there that knows what to do with one of these because I don’t have a freakin’ clue???!!!??
Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
2:43 pm
What that photo does not tell is all the BOOING Chizik received when he was introduced.
Dinkdunk
April 19th, 2011
2:52 pm
The tree killers trial is this week. Wish they would televise it so the world could watch that POS bammer squirm.
Roll Tide
April 19th, 2011
2:54 pm
No matter what you think, I still expect Auburn to lose the title. Cam and his Dad should be put in jail. Cam should have to give up the trophy.
mike
April 19th, 2011
2:54 pm
So the Auburn boosters were trying to scam Cecil but that’s okay. Let’s put it all on Cam anyway since the Auburn hate is so much. The son and father must have done something wrong. There has to be something there. How about let’s make up anything we can think of? The church? The stolen laptop? I know, how about saying they are really aliens from another planet. That should get everybody thinking.
DollarDawg43
April 19th, 2011
2:54 pm
Truth I did wonder about the wisdom of Chizik being there in such a high profile manner and in Michael Waltrip’s car being painted in Auburn colors. You know in the state of Alabama you have automatically ticked off half the population when you declare either way!
Mark Bradley`s Booster
April 19th, 2011
2:54 pm
The fact is nobody outside the people involved in the NCAA investigations really know what has happened illegally at Auburn or Mississippi State. All of the media stories and comments of the bloggers are just opinions and speculations. Nothing new here.
Spike80
April 19th, 2011
2:55 pm
They should give Updike a medal. No one outside of Opelika cares about your ugly trees. What a childish and stupid tradition.
flame out
April 19th, 2011
2:56 pm
The barn is going down smu-style.
JB
April 19th, 2011
2:57 pm
With the lose of talent and with their schedule this year, AU might be willing to write a check to Cancel some games. I would hope that Georgia has a team to pay them back this year, But if it gets ugly early, they will be playing with a coach called dead man walking.
JB
April 19th, 2011
2:58 pm
The IRS is tickled about Cam going pro…..He’ll now have federal withholding on his NFL checks.
those trees are going to survive and it will be a "miracle"
April 19th, 2011
2:58 pm
Auburn is faking the tree poisoning. They desperately need the sympathy and I don’t believe anything that “university” says.
If those trees actually die, I’ll eat crow.
JB
April 19th, 2011
2:59 pm
s/b loss of talent…………….as with my spelling
DollarDawg43
April 19th, 2011
2:59 pm
Mike I don’t know about aliens and I don’t hate Auburn but, in this economic climate with church tithes and offerings down in even the wealthiest congregations, one DOES have to wonder how Reverend Newton’s church came to receive such a large donation when the membership has never exhibited the ability to contribute in such a lavish manner.
Maybe a friend of the church had a windfall financial event and wanted to be generous. That certainly is possible but even the most ardent Auburn supporter would have to admit the timing is questionable at best.
ClinchCountyDawg
April 19th, 2011
3:08 pm
TrishaDishaWarEagle
According to Bowden, most of the players getting played were not starters or big time cotributors. Too many players are coming forward for them all to be lying.
Aunt Bee
April 19th, 2011
3:14 pm
The governor reappointed the same BOT members whose terms were expiring. Nobody at Auburn elected these people to the BOT. He appoints members of the both the Auburn and Alabama BOT’s. Please, use some intelligence.
Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
3:39 pm
That is the point…..they got paid those players and they are happy with their paychecks.
Kerryb
April 19th, 2011
3:44 pm
One saying comes to mind about all of this. ” If it quacks like a duck it must be a duck”. I think it’s interesting that all of these players are coming out of the woodwork now. Everyone has believed for years that AU has had the dirtiest boosters in college football. The proof of it is starting to come out slowly.
Kerryb
April 19th, 2011
3:47 pm
I guess the best thing that will come out of this is that they will have a harder time getting away with this type of thing from now on, because they will be watched more closely than ever.
Tdawg
April 19th, 2011
3:59 pm
I just love the way that some of you Auburn fans are trying to put Georgia on the spot. It’s an old ploy and as always, will never work. NCAA is on that war eagle’s arese and it ain’t letting go. Crap it took them what? Three years to put the smack down on USC.a
Now let me help you poor fools who thinks that Auburn is innocent.
First: Pops ask Mississippi State for $180,000. Even you idiots from Auburn can figure this one out. The only difference between Mississippi State and Auburn is that Auburn paid. Just ask yourself. Why would a recruit turn down a school that he want to attend for a school in which he had no interest? Hint, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Secondly: Four former players just so happens to get together and decides to stick it to Auburn. You Auburn fans say that they don’t have any proof. Well sense they were the ones being paid by Auburn, I would kind of think that they were the proof. If it was one or even two players, then maybe you have a point. I know one thing for sure though. The last thing that you Auburn fans want is for those 4 to be hooked up to a poloygraph machine.
Thirdly: Does the name Terry Bowden ring a bell? I suppose that he was a liar also when he said that players were being paid by Auburn boosters when he was coach there.
Lastly: Auburns biggest all time booster was the one paying these players. Just ask Terry if you have the guts to. Oh, forgot about that little deal that Auburn payed of Terry to keep his mouth shut.
Yea, Auburn is innocent. About as innocent as the Bama fan who poisioned your trees. By the way did anyone actually see him poision your trees. Well if not then according to you Auburn fans he must be innocent also. Tell him to ask for a jury trial. You Alabama people to stupid to see what is right in front of your face.
headley lamar
April 19th, 2011
4:03 pm
Auburn has been on probabtion more than any other program not named SMU
But they want us to believe they didnt cheat this time.
Yeah right.
No matter. They sold their soul to the devil (Newtons) for the NC. Now they will reap what they have sewn.
MOST-PENALIZED DIVISION I PROGRAMS:
Arizona State 8
Southern Methodist 8
Auburn 7
Florida State 7
Memphis 7
Minnesota 7
Oklahoma 7
Texas A&M 7
Wichita State 7
Wisconsin 7
headley lamar
April 19th, 2011
4:06 pm
Too many players are coming forward for them all to be lying.
Exactly. Auburn fans are starting to remind me of the guy in Iraq who while US tanks and bombs could be seen behind him was telling the media with a straight face they were winning the war.
Its comical really.
ClinchCountyDawg
April 19th, 2011
4:15 pm
headley lamar
It reminds me of that old song by Hank Williams Jr. Why does Auburn cheat? It’s A Family Tradition.
Delbert D.
April 19th, 2011
4:19 pm
Need to turn the investigation over to private contractor firms. Pliers and jumper cables will make Lowder sing like a bird.
Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
4:24 pm
Why punish the jumper cables and pliers?
Wanda
April 19th, 2011
4:25 pm
Doesn’t Gene Chizik in that photo look like Lane Kiffin on Barry Bonds’s vitamins?
Tell The Truth
April 19th, 2011
4:30 pm
Have never seen a National Championship team lose its luster so fast as this Auburn team. They had to charge five dollars for the spring game to help offset the legal expenses and to reload the recruiting payoff budget.
Beast from the East
April 19th, 2011
4:38 pm
Mark,
I have to agree with you. No proof, just a few secondary violations and a ton of speculation. They may be dirty as heck, but you have to generate some proof. There seems to be little or none.
Dirty Dawg
April 19th, 2011
4:48 pm
Hey Headley, I think you were referring to Baghdad Bob, and he was about as delusional as they come. Don’t think the AUers are quite there yet, my take is that they’re still in the ‘whistling past the graveyard’ stage, but it’ll come and it won’t be pretty. I’ve asked my AU friends how they would/will react when the hammer comes down and they, to a person, are still in ‘lawyered-up’ mode saying ‘there is no evidence and that all they know is that Cam was eligible’
Fact is the NCAA is waiting until the political/gambling/bribery case has been resolved so they can have access to the wire-tap evidence. Then again, Uncle Milty will likely ‘cop-a-plea’ in return for that evidence to be kept confidential – that is until somebody decides to ‘be a whistle-blower’.
NCAA enforcement committee
April 19th, 2011
5:01 pm
Lotta smoke coming from the plains. Typically where there is smoke there is fire.
In other AU related news the tigers lost 24 seniors, 3 jrs who went pro, 4 players booted for robbery, another dismissed, and 1 or 2 who transferred. All in all AU has lost 33 or 34 players from last year’s team. They return 6 starters overall 3 on offense and 3 on Defense. Gonna be a long, long year on the plains. 6-6 maybe 7-5 if they’re lucky.
Bodda Getta
April 19th, 2011
5:18 pm
Sorry Georgia fans,
The evidence is so overwhelming, even your local papers are bailing on you.
http://www.gainesvilletimes.com/section/116/article/49235/
Bodda Getta
April 19th, 2011
5:21 pm
It’s not just the local papers. This is going viral.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/669492-georgia-football-is-it-time-to-examine-mark-richts-recruiting-standards-now
TrishaDishaWarEagle
April 19th, 2011
6:13 pm
We are not UGA..We have more brains to to pay non contributing benchwarmers. What the hell purpose would that serve?
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 19th, 2011
7:19 pm
We see Dim Wit Trisha Disha and Mike P have joined their two pea brains together to form the Auburn Defense team. Let the laughing begin.
These two knuckleheads just do not get it, even if it takes 5 years for something to come out, they have already lost. They lost the respect of every other SEC member, they lost the respect of the media( one exception being the Auburn Alumni led Birmingham News), other college football coaches, and fans across the nation.
You have lost and it does not matter how many notions of defense you bring up, it is a lost cause.
You Lose and everyone knows it.
MikeP
April 19th, 2011
10:24 pm
Hey Headley: Why did you stop listing schools with violations after seven? Couldn’t be because UGA has six, could it?
Ah, Topless is back for another try at respectability. His last attempt didn’t turn out so well for him.
Those repairs on Cecil’s church? They were completed by July of 2009, six months BEFORE Cam signed with Auburn. Best guess is that Cam’s older brother, Cecil jr, who was playing for the Jax Jags at the time is the source of most if not all of that money. Check the minutes of the Newnan City Council meeting of July 2009 for details.
Don’t worry about Auburn having “only” 53,000 present for the A-day game. Over 80,000 showed up for the Championship Day celebration in February.. Cam Newton, Nick Fairley, a bunch of seniors and all the coaches spoke. A wonderful time was had by all. Hey, this is Great Time to be an Auburn Tiger!
MikeP
April 19th, 2011
10:54 pm
Hey Topless: Auburn can’t have lost too much respect from the other coaches. Finished #1 in the coaches’ poll, Gene Chizik voted Coach of the Year by his fellow coaches…Do you ever post something that can’t be easily refuted?
Pointing out a few errors by various posters above, for those interested in facts:
1)No Auburn Board of trustees member is charged with any crime. No BOT member has been indicted for any crime.
2)Tiger Prowl changed some things after the NCAA consulted about it in 2009, but it’s not discontinued. There was a Tiger Prowl in 2010 and there will be another one soon, check for the time and date in a city near you.
3)Big Cat Weekend is scheduled for the end of May this year. If there is a top prospect living near you, he’ll either be there or wish he was there.
4)There was no “shopping” by Cecil Newton. Former Mississippi State player and booster Kenny Rogers approached Cecil about money, $200,000 to be exact. If Rogers could put the deal together, he’d get $20,000 for his trouble and Cecil would get the other 180,000. One little problem, Rogers couldn’t find an MSU booster that would trust him with $200, let alone 200,000. So there was no offer from State. That’s the only money talk there was. Oklahoma, Tennessee and Auburn, the other three schools Cam visited, all say money was not mentioned. That would be because Kenny Rogers had no connections at those schools. MSU is in trouble because apparently two MSU assistant coaches heard this discussion between Rogers and Cecil Newton on November 27th in a Starkeville hotel lobby, but MSU failed to report it until January 4th, strangely, one day AFTER Cam signed with Auburn. What a coincidence!
5)According to a freedom of information request from the Birmingham News to Auburn, the only NCAA investigation open at Auburn is the technically open but inactive investigation of the 2009 Tiger Prowl. If anything comes of that (doubtful) it will be secondary violations at best.
Lastly, I have come to learn that these days “where there’s smoke there’s fire’” means “there’s no proof and these guys probably didn’t do anything wrong but I sure do wish they had.”
War Eagle!
pay it up
April 19th, 2011
10:59 pm
auburn’s fatcat boosters have paid off enough people to keep their title–cash newton will be richer than ever.
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
12:20 am
Mike P..
I ran you off the other day and you had to resort to name calling. You are the dim wit on the blog and everyone is laughing at you.
You lose and everytime you come on here we all see how much of a loser loser loser you really are.
The respect factor is that no one respects Auburn…Just tonight on HBO Bryant Gumbel called out Auburn again and said that SPEAKING OF Newton…todays heros are tomorrows goats….
Today on ESPN ..the former Auburn apologist and Protector – Paul Finebaum stated that he now had serious doubts that Cam Newton did not know what his father was doing. He went on to say that Auburn is more than likely going to have the Newton saga revisited.
You just do not get it….Across this great nation( and believe me when I say “ACROSS”) as I travel weekly for 44 weeks a year …any college football fan has utter disdain for the cheating program at Auburn and that is usually the adjective to describe Auburn within the first 10 words. That is a fact.
As for your BOT members getting re-selected…that should tell you something…you now know that the University is controlled by a core group of 4 men and they do whatever they want whenever they want.
One more thing…Lee Farkas…..convicted today for his role in the collapse of Colonial Bank. Now his attorney is saying on appeal he will wield all resources to bring out the truth and if that meant bringing others into the trial that have so far avoided the witness stand he is determined to do so. In otherwords,,,Mr. Lowder….please swear in…the gloves are coming off.
Once again we are ALL LAUGHING AT YOU Mike P. Enjoyed the 40,000 fans that showed up at the DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS SPRING GAME…..that ALL IN deal was only good for one year and that one year will soon be the year you will wish to forget….The TITLE holders can only muster 40,000 and that number was some of that Auburn accounting numbers.
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
12:21 am
Mike P…you lose…..HA HA HA HA HA…..take the punishment like a man that is coming.
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
9:11 am
Mike P….
YOU IDIOT! Cecil admitted shopping Cam, that is why he was ruled ineligible for less than 24 hours.
Bulldog Joe
April 20th, 2011
9:26 am
With the collapse of Colonial Bank, the shutdown of the gambling machines at Victoryland, and the severe slump in the building materials industry, one has to wonder how much longer the money pipeline to Auburn can be sustained.
MikeP
April 20th, 2011
10:26 am
Toothless…er, Topless: Lee Farkas has nothing to do with Auburn. I doubt that he’s ever been in the state of Alabama. Farkas was convicted of stealing money from Colonial bank. So what? Grab at straws much?
Auburn people call F-bomb Paul Pondscum. ‘Nuff said about his feelings toward Auburn.
Cecil did not admit to shopping Cam. He admitted to discussing money with Kenny Rogers at Mississippi State. Officials at Oklahoma, Tennessee and Auburn all say money wasn’t mentioned. Reading up before you post will help your credibility.
The governor of Alabama appoints members to the Board of Trustees. Where you got the idea that some “cult of four” does it I can’t imagine.
I recently returned from an extended trip in Florida. Proudly wore my Auburn National Champs cap and shirt. Got a lot of congratulations on the championship and comments about what a great team Auburn had. Not a single person said a thing about all these outlandish false accusations. I think bamzos and DullDawgs are the only ones that are sitting around hoping their wild dreams will come true and Auburn will get a penalty.
Learn to read, there were 53,000 at Auburn’s spring game. Can’t you get anything right?
The Championship Celebration was the place to be, with 80,000 plus enjoying the ceremonies. Sorry you missed it, that BCS trophy is something sweet to look at.
Bulldog Joe, that would be a concern if there were some mysterious “money pipeline”. There is none.
AU_KOPPIE
April 20th, 2011
5:15 pm
All I will say is, we (Auburn) are either the cleanest program out there or the best at hiding our transgressions. We have been under the microscope of the NCAA, blog writers, media and every fan-base for 6 months and not 1 factual piece has come out. NOT ONE!!!! so UGA fans and bama fans relax, mean ole Nick Fairley and the evil Cam Newton cant hurt you anymore; they have moved on to the NFL.
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
8:03 pm
Mike P…
You are DELUSIONAL….You lose and have already LOST!
T-O-P-L-E-S-S
April 20th, 2011
8:04 pm
Did they let you take your Auburn Championship Cap into the prison in Florida to visit your daddy?
Bama Fan#2
April 21st, 2011
5:37 am
You would hope that your favorite team would run a clean program but with the SEC football
conference as it is now I bet the only really clean program is Vandy.
Tide
April 21st, 2011
12:53 pm
What’s funny is we have a thing called crimson caravan that is the exact same and no on seems to have brought it up in the papers hahahha
Stating the Facts
April 21st, 2011
7:05 pm
Tide,
Sorry to inform you, there is a major difference and here is how they are different.
The Crimson Caravan is designed for coaches, and Alabama staff members to go to various places/schools, and No recruiting is allowed, and no other outside persons are involved.
What Auburn is being investigated about was the use of outside personnel on the bus and limo who as reported in the Tuskegee News that women over the age of 21 were used to entertain recruits and some of those recruits were “minors”. This is the second incident where the “Mann Act” was SUPPOSEDLY violated by staff members of Auburn. I am not saying this is true, I have no facts, I am just repeating what was reported in the Tuskegee News a few weeks back. This all came to light ACCORDING to the Tuskegee News after the NCAA interviewed coaches and players who were recruited by Auburn the past 3 years.
The NCAA allows schools to make these treks across states as long as recruiting is not the focus of the caravan.
MikeP
April 22nd, 2011
9:09 am
Tuskegee News? Let me guess, Paul Davis, correct? Now he’s got NCAA investigators telling him the details of their investigations? Impressive.
One undeniable fact: The purpose of the 2009 Tiger Prowl was to get the attention of the population in general and recruits in particular. Getting the high school coaches and players and local media to know the new coaching staff was the goal.. (remember, this was 2009, the coaches were new then)
Everywhere that bus went a flock of reporters followed. The presence of any “ladies of the evening” would have been all over the front page of every newspaper in Alabama and Georgia the very next morning. Epic fail on that one, Paul.
The difference between Crimson Caravan and the ‘09 Tiger Prowl was that the Tiger Prowl, in addition to meeting the public in the evenings, also stopped at various high schools. That was declared to be a no-no after the ‘09 version, and the 2010 Tiger Prowl no longer went to the schools. The ‘10 Tiger Prowl was exactly like Crimson Caravan and the ‘11 version of Tiger Prowl will be in Atlanta in the very near future.
Anti Mike P
April 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
The only guy to come on here daily to insure no one writes, blogs, or publishes anything negative about his Auburn program is Mike P. What a pathetic life he lives.
MikeP
April 22nd, 2011
3:37 pm
Anti Mike P
April 22nd, 2011
10:09 am
“The only guy to come on here daily to insure no one writes, blogs, or publishes anything negative about his Auburn program is Mike P. What a pathetic life he lives.”
I grew up reading a newspaper. Now, through the miracle of the internet I can comment on what I read. Almost ever day there is some outlandish claim about what the deep, dark, mysterious Aubies are doing.
Take today, a writer in the Tuskegee News says Auburn is stupid enough to have hookers in attendance at a series of events planned to get as much public attention as possible. That’s a HOOT! An even bigger hoot is that there are some who might believe it.
I lead a great life. This is a wonderful time to be alive and an even more wonderful time to be an Auburn Tiger!
Stating the Facts
April 22nd, 2011
9:32 pm
Anti Mike P,
Do not even try to talk sense into this guy. He comes on every blog and writes nonsense about how clean his program at Auburn is. On top of that he is known just to cut and paste your comments and responds to them. He wants to be Andy Rooney. His overall intelligence is on a third grade level and by far is the worse person on these blogs. Just ignore Mike P and let him live in his fantasy world. Everyone knows what kind of program they run down at Auburn and the shortcuts they take along the way, let him live in that Fantasy Land.
MikeP
April 22nd, 2011
10:22 pm
“he is known just to cut and paste your comments and responds to them”
That’s a common internet courtesy, that way the person you are responding to knows that you are addressing him. The only people that object are those who don’t like it when you nail them with a false statement they previously made.
All you have to do is put up one shred of proof that backs up your claim of Auburn taking “shortcuts”. C’mon and try: The sleaziest group of sensationalist writers on the earth have been trying to find something for months, let alone the SEC’s six month investigation and the NCAA’s five month investigation.
There is nothing to find. Everyone says that, or that’s what they would say if they were Stating the Facts.
dawg 777
April 23rd, 2011
12:13 am
AUBURN BEEN CHEATING AND PAYING PLAYERS SINCE 1957, USING MONEY AND GIRLS TO RECRUIT HIGH SCHOOL PLAYERS TO AUBURN. THE PROOF IS AUBURN BEEN ON PROBATION 7 TIMES.
MikeP
April 23rd, 2011
9:21 am
“THE PROOF IS AUBURN BEEN ON PROBATION 7 TIMES”
Auburn has 7 major violations, Georgia has six. Not much difference there.
Auburn’s last major violation was in 1991, 20 years ago.
Proud Tiger
April 23rd, 2011
10:42 am
The article notes that the NCAA investigation of Cam Newton is still ongoing. However, the article is misleading since NCAA Pres. Emmert said months ago it was over as faras Auburn is concerned. The ongoing investigation is now centered around Miss. St. and their involvement with Cams’s father.
Bazooka Joe
April 23rd, 2011
11:06 am
Hey War Eagle – whats your record against UGA lately ? Oooooh you won one out of 5, I’m impressed. You claim to be the equal of Bama, but you arent even as good as Troy much less Bama. Face the facts, you are at best a step child in the state of Alabama, always have been, always will be.
Bazooka Joe
April 23rd, 2011
11:11 am
The worst place in the SEC to see a game is in S. Alabama – went once, will never go to that cesspool again. Actually I think the state of Alabama should just tear the town down and start over.
Stating the Facts
April 23rd, 2011
10:48 pm
You see. “Internet Courtesy?” What a typical mental case this guy is. See there is not talking to him or about him, as he as completely lost it. Move on and get a grip on reality.
To those with more logical sense: Keep reading and you will find out that the articles being written are by main stream journalist who get it and are very unbiased writers and smell the rats that run the entire university at Auburn.
MikeP
April 23rd, 2011
11:12 pm
Bazooka Joe says: “You claim to be the equal of Bama, but you arent even as good as Troy much less Bama. Face the facts, you are at best a step child in the state of Alabama, always have been, always will be.”
Auburn has beaten bammer in seven of the last 9 Iron Bowls, 17 of the last 30. We don’t claim to be their equal, the facts state that Auburn is superior.
Hey Stating; Post a link to one “mainstream journalist” that has proof that the Auburn football program has committed a major violation since 1991. I’ll wait but not hold my breath, because you won’t find one. No proof, just the whining of envious fans from rival teams.
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:55 am
Everyone on here wishes you would hold your breath.
As for the superior statement about anyone….including UGA or Alabama. Auburn will always be known for winning two national titles with both being used with paid players. 57 AND 2010.
http://atlanta.sbnation.com/georgia-bulldogs/2011/4/14/2111493/a-helpful-index-of-auburn-football-scandals-and-investigations
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/football/newton_scandal_could_turn_college_k23ptxpnciNTAqIlAD8M4I
http://www.businessinsider.com/jordan-spriggs-auburn-twitter-cheating-2011-2
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5703951
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20022371-504083.html
http://aol.sportingnews.com/ncaa-football/story/2011-03-31/not-entitled-to-enjoy-it-scandal-has-tainted-auburn-crown
http://www.cfbdailynews.com/sec/jim-tressel-fiesta-bowl-auburn-football-and-latest-college-football-scandals/
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/14/sports/ncaafootball/14auburn.html
http://www.banditref.com/2011/03/auburn-and-ohio-state-are-college.html
http://dev.chuckoliver.net/2011/03/this-week-in-scandal-auburn-dumpling-gang-rides-again/
http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=ycn-8187987
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2011-01-10-bcs-auburn-oregon-tcu_N.htm
5 PP Winners, 3 for local sports writers, 2 national writers of the year.
These guys get PAID for their writing and have editors.
End of conversation and Good day to a guy who is the pond scum of the blogs- Mike P.
David0
April 24th, 2011
1:09 pm
Disappointing though it may be to some of you, it’s pretty clear that Cecil realized he couldn’t let Cam sign with MSU after they offered money, so Cam went to Auburn. As for the $30,000 or so for the church, Cam’s brother, Cecil Newton, Jr., made the roster his second year for the Jacksonville Jaguars. He would have received somewhere in the $350,000 to 450,000 for signing. He told the building code council in a public meeting that he would pay for the repairs, well before Cam signed with Auburn. So that isn’t an issue.
David0
April 24th, 2011
1:13 pm
@Tellthetruth, Auburn charged $5.00 for spring game in 2010, the same as in 2011. Maybe you are not enjoying Auburn’s victorious year as BCS champs, but Auburn fans are.
Monkey Says
April 24th, 2011
9:46 pm
Here is someones answer to all the BS that CAM & CECIL NEWTON are hiding behind.
http://www.camnewtonliedetector.com/
Monkey Says
April 24th, 2011
9:48 pm
And will be many many many years before Auburn has another year like this past one.
Get used to losing more than you win in the SEC. A 5-7- or 6-6 season is more and more likely.
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:07 pm
I guess Forbes Magazine is a local yocal publication that warrants no merits?
http://blogs.forbes.com/walterpavlo/2011/04/04/taylor-bean-chairman-on-trial-along-with-colonial-bank-and-auburn-university/
New York City? Yep, even they are writing about the sleezy behavior surrounding Auburn and their fraud programs.
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:09 pm
Even before the Cam Newton stuff, TIME Magazine was questioning the relationships with Bobby Lowder and his financing at Auburn.
http://curiouscapitalist.blogs.time.com/2009/08/14/what-will-the-colonial-bank-failure-mean-for-auburn-football/
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:12 pm
And here is an Auburn Graduate…and the beat goes around Auburn University and the leaders and their relationships with Colonial Bank…
http://williambruce.wordpress.com/2011/03/06/colonial-bank-fraud-investigation-continues/
Stating the Facts
April 24th, 2011
10:13 pm
A former Auburn Interim Head Coach:
http://www.auburn.edu/student_info/plainsman/archives/99SP/0527/0527foliverlawsuit.html
MikeP
April 25th, 2011
10:41 am
From Forbes: “related to payments possibly made to Auburn Tiger quarterback Cam Newton (Heisman Trophy winner). However, it probably doesn’t look good when your top player is suspected of taking payments when so many alums are affiliated with a now defunct bank.”
Stating, it appears that your reading comprehension is not so hot. I requested one single bit of PROOF. Do you not see the words “possibly”, “probably” and “suspected” in the Forbes article? And that’s just one small slice of it. That article is like so many others, he wrote something and stuck Auburn’s name in there to try to get more readers. People like to read about a winner, and Auburn is the champ.
Another of your links goes to background information about a lawsuit from 13 years ago. A lawsuit filed by a former assistant coach that didn’t get the head coaching job. A lawsuit that was tossed out of court. What’s that got to do with anything?
Your inability to provide one smidgen of actual evidence proves my point. All this stuff about Auburn is nothing but the whining of jealous fans from rival schools. When faced with “put up or shut up” there’s nothing they can do except slink away.
The attempts to claim that the downfall of Colonial Bank somehow reflects on Auburn are humorous. A bank failed. So what? Auburn has no control over bank failures, and that bank has no control over Auburn. Grasp at straws much?
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
11:16 am
Mike P . yOU got slammed and now you want to change the argument. You said no respected journalist or writer had covered the Auburn program, that Colonial Bank, the Trial of Lee Farkas, the indictments of Gambling were related to Auburn and I proved you wrong on every account. You must be a woman, because that is what women do, lose their own point, then want to change the argument. You are a terrible debater and it is shown in your cut and paste approach.
From this day forward Mike P, do not address me, I have a business to run and do not have time to deal with people who are illogical and too stubborn to face the real world and the reality that comes along with it. By the way I coud have posted another 100 articles to prove my point but it gets no where with you. If you were a realist you could easily see how the Bank Failure at Colonial Bank is directly related to Auburn University and there are many many articles written by respected journalist who have done a good job of pointing those out.
The point of the article from 13 years ago was to demonstrate how Bobby Lowder is a micromanager and RUNS the Auburn program ( especially the Athletic /Football Franchise) I could have added the Paul Kennedy interview with Terry Bowden but I knew you had already dismissed that as fiction while everyone else knows it to be the truth. I could have posted the comments by Urban Meyer and Phil Fulmer made in the past year discussing the Auburn recruiting practices they have witnessed and the sleeze factor of it.
One more thing, Your go to argument is show the proof. That is your final argument. Well SON, and BOY. that is not my job, my point was to show you and everyone else that writes, covers and reports from sports, to financials, to recruiting, to mortgages all recognize the way Auburn does business. Time is on our side and the NCAA and FBI are actively doing a great job of their investigations ( mulitple) and the truth is coming out. As much as it will hurt you, it will make you a better man and maybe it will make you grow into a man.
May be a Long Long Season
April 25th, 2011
1:48 pm
Haven’t you guys learned by now that Mike P is a total RETARDED Auburn never attended the school, never played a down of high school, wanna be sports writer who thinks Auburn is right and everyone else is wrong goof ball. Just tune this blow hard ” Proof. Proof Proof spouting idiot off.
Former AU Cheerleader
April 25th, 2011
1:58 pm
As a former cheerleader at Auburn in the early 80’s, and with a husband who played at Auburn in the 80’s, with children now attending Auburn, I am as proud of our school for winning it “ALL” as anyone. I am yet holding my breath as my husband reminds me of what he saw while he was at Auburn and what our son who plays tennis at Auburn has seen in the past 2 years in relation to preferential treatment for football players at Auburn. We as parent, alumni, and former scholarship members of the Auburn family are disgusted with the way the University is held captive by a small group of men who treat the football team and program as their “NFL” team. We attend many many functions at Auburn and we personally hear the rumblings and believe you me when I say a great deal of us are holding our breath and still smell something is rotten in our beautiful campus and until we get some resolution( whether good or bad) we will stay under the heavy hand of the NCAA.
We attended a tennis match last week and a Alumni Meeting and it was announced that you know who was reappointed to the BOT. We all just laughed and the rumblings began about how the Investigations will continue to grow and the program will inevidently suffer from so many people who make decisions that are not always the best for our proud school.
War Eagle and lets move on from the Cam Newton era. His era is over, but it may haunt us in the future, but we will have to pay if the allegations are true as they grow daily.
MikeP
April 25th, 2011
9:49 pm
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
11:16 am
“Mike P . yOU got slammed and now you want to change the argument. You said no respected journalist or writer had covered the Auburn program,…”
I said no such thing. Here’s exactly what I said, copied and pasted from my comments of April 23, 11:12 PM :”Hey Stating; Post a link to one “mainstream journalist” that has proof that the Auburn football program has committed a major violation since 1991.”
Are you really that poor at reading comprehension, or do you just change things around to suit your purposes? Note the phrase “mainstream journalist that has proof”..When are you going to come up with one?
Here’s something else you wrote:
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
11:16 am
..” that Colonial Bank, the Trial of Lee Farkas, the indictments of Gambling were related to Auburn and I proved you wrong on every account.”
How did you get the strange idea that those things are related to Auburn? And where do you get the even more strange idea that you have somehow proven that those things are related to Auburn?
Two Auburn graduates are related to some of those things. Auburn University has nothing to do with any of that. Dream and wish as you might, there is nothing pending against Auburn. Deal with reality for a change.
In conclusion, it’s not smart to try to put words in someone’s mouth when those words are posted in the same thread for all to see. Better to change your tactics than try to call somebody out for something they did not say when they can prove they didn’t say it.
MikeP
April 25th, 2011
9:57 pm
PS: Stating the Facts, please give me a link to Urban Meyer and Phil Fulmer naming Auburn as using sleezy recruiting tactics. Note: Nothing without the specific name “Auburn” qualifies. You claim direct quotes from those two naming Auburn.
Here’s a good chance for you to put up or shut up. My bet is on shutup.
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
10:31 pm
Here dummy:
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/sports_college/2009/05/should-ncaa-investigate-auburns-white-stretch-limo.html
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
10:34 pm
Hey Dummy…
You are like a very very poor Defense Attorney whose client is so guilty they have to resort to pulling out every poor excuse and turning the subject to any angle that helps them keep the attention away from their losing client; But in the end the judge says: GUILTY.
Hey Boy just grow up.
Stating the Facts
April 25th, 2011
10:49 pm
Phil Fulmer speaking to Tennessee Alumni in December 2010:
Trooper came into Stillwater and the fans thought he would tear up the state in recruiting. Within a few weeks nasty rumors about the tactics he was using began to percolate, and none other than T. Boone Pickens told Gundy to shut him down. Trooper had ZERO SUCCESS IN RECRUITING in his year at OK State, and left a bad taste in the mouths of the program. We had to do the same thing when he was here with us, the difference was we monitored our coaches, it is apparent that some coaches allow their coordinators and coaches to push beyond the limits allowed by the NCAA and that will be their downfall.
I am more than pleased with the credibility Derek and his staff have returned to our program at Tennessee after a year of the same sort of behavior being exihibited by the school that employs Taylor now. We are better than that and our program once again be the proud leader in the conference.
As reported by Vol Talk
December 19th 2010.
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MikeP
April 26th, 2011
9:47 am
From the link Stating posted, dated May, 2009:
“Florida Gators coach Urban Meyer took notice and was not pleased with the recruiting ploy. He told Pat Dooley of The Gainesville Sun the NCAA should look into what Auburn did. (Tiger Prowl limos) Meyer said, “I think it should,” when asked if the NCAA will get involved. “We’re trying to sell graduation rates and academics and trying the sing and dance routine.”
Stating, for starters, you said this in your post of April 25, “I could have posted the comments by Urban Meyer and Phil Fulmer made in the past year discussing the Auburn recruiting practices they have witnessed and the sleeze factor of it.”
Did you forget the “made in the past year part? The article you linked to was dated May of 2009, coming up on two years ago.
You sounded as though Fulmer and Meyer were blasting Auburn. All that was was a typical Urban Meyer whine about Auburn upstaging him with the Tiger Prowl. I thought you had something good. Meyer’s objections to the contrary, Tiger Prowl continued the next year and this year, the newly named “Tiger Trek” is starting in Atlanta. Be there, you won’t want to miss it!
I’m still waiting for Fulmer’s comments. Please, be a man of your word your word and find something made in the past year.
MikeP
April 26th, 2011
9:58 am
Stating, your quotes from Vol Talk don’t mention Auburn. Funny, all the great receivers Oklahoma State has had the past three years were recruited and coached by Trooper Taylor. Ask any Vol, they are still bitter about letting Trooper get away from Knoxville. It’s easy to see why all the “sour grapes” stuff from Vol Talk. Just about every year Trooper Taylor is named one of the country’s top recruiters. All jealous fans from rival schools can do in make up lies and wish they had him on their staff.
Fulmer hired Taylor to Tennessee, and when Fulmer left Trooper was the one assistant the Vols tried to keep. Now it’s “sour grapes” from them.
Ta-ta, and do try to find something in which Fulmer mentions Auburn, you said he did and I’d like to see it.
Stating the Facts
April 26th, 2011
11:57 am
You lost get over it. Once again I called your bluff Boy!